I'm reading through the threads today and I notice alot of you have modded your v6 mustangs to look like GTs. Well factoring in the considerable amount of money it takes to make a v6 look like a GT (dual exhaust, bumpers, grills, fog lights, wheels) you could've bought a GT for much, much cheaper. And you'd have the v8 engine. And don't say gas, we're only talking about two hundred dollars difference a year in gas from the v6 to the GT, and you guys are spending thousands in mods so you can definitley afford that :)

Well guess what, I still came out ahead with all of by mods by 3,000. An equally equipped GT would cost me around 30k. And I don't have $400 a month car payments or high insurance rates!

WHAT??? it only take 500 to make a V6 look like a GT! Take into account that I got my 6 for 18500 and a GT would run me 25k just to start!! with the money I saved right there I could but on the appearnece package and a Power house turbo!! Not to mention the fact that my insurance would be 1k higher a year. and when its done the car is something that is strictly mine! The question is why didnt you buy a V6??

ORIGINAL: localgod11

WHAT??? it only take 500 to make a V6 look like a GT! Take into account that I got my 6 for 18500 and a GT would run me 25k just to start!! with the money I saved right there I could but on the appearnece package and a Power house turbo!! Not to mention the fact that my insurance would be 1k higher a year. and when its done the car is something that is strictly mine! The question is why didnt you buy a V6??




+1

Well I come from both sides of the fence, being a former 5.0 LX owner before this....

When I was shopping for a GT, the mark up was 5-8K easy. And in my area, it still is pretty high to this day, and dealers don't honor x plan where I live. What really hurt me than was insurance, cause at the time I was taking care of my neice (she was on my insurance, 19, etc) and putting her though college. Then she left, and freed up a good bit of mod money every month (and I went nuts with the modding1!!) .....that my wife just last month took control of. My GT bumpers were pretty much free, thanks to my parking garage smashing up the front one, got some Casco take offs for dirt cheap.

Now, reason why I still kept the six instead of driving 3 hours south for a cheap GT......

1. GT or V6, I would have spent the same on appearance and performance mods
2. The challenge!

I get more props at the track than the V8 guys do. I get a ton of props from the old scool racers that know what a SVO can really do, the guys that built up old LX's, etc. Of course I get the occasional snob, but having a fast 6 is harder to do. It's a pride thing now. Minus the mistakes I have made, I have just matched a equally equiped stock GT in price for my area and have a car that looks cool IMO, and is faster.

If the market and circumstances were different when I bought my Stella, she would have been a V8 (have to be honest here). But this is how it played out, and now I'm glad I got the little engine that could...and will. LOL. You should see the look on Camaro's faces after I smoke em at the track, or the rice that thought the new V6 is slow.

You will get a ton of responses to this. Either way, as long as it's a mustang, thats all that matters to me.

ORIGINAL: Revolver

I'm reading through the threads today and I notice alot of you have modded your v6 mustangs to look like GTs. Well factoring in the considerable amount of money it takes to make a v6 look like a GT (dual exhaust, bumpers, grills, fog lights, wheels) you could've bought a GT for much, much cheaper. And you'd have the v8 engine. And don't say gas, we're only talking about two hundred dollars difference a year in gas from the v6 to the GT, and you guys are spending thousands in mods so you can definitley afford that :)



What is wrong with ya!!!!

30k for a GT? You guys are getting taken so bad... I'm sure the dealer appreciates that profit once he closes on his new beachfront properties. 2006 GTs are going for $24k right now at the dealers. I saw a black 2005 GT with 27k miles sell for $19,800 on ebay a week ago. If you do a bit of research, you can find the GT at a very reasonable price, just like with the v6... over $20k for a v6 and you got ripped off. If you believe the dealers story that they need to charge over MSRP, or charge extra because the car is in demand, it's a boldface lie used to increase their pockets.

I bought a v6 mustang 2005 with 21k miles, interior, shaker, and chrome wheel upgrade for $13,900. I don't plan to mod it really, or maybe mod it minorly because if I'm going to spend that money and hassle, I may as well just buy a better car.

I have kids that drive, so a gt was out of the question for both cost of the vehicle (which I would spend as much modding as the v6) and insurance. Plus I get 22mpg in the city, and at 3.15 a gallon thats important.

ORIGINAL: Revolver

I'm reading through the threads today and I notice alot of you have modded your v6 mustangs to look like GTs. Well factoring in the considerable amount of money it takes to make a v6 look like a GT (dual exhaust, bumpers, grills, fog lights, wheels) you could've bought a GT for much, much cheaper. And you'd have the v8 engine. And don't say gas, we're only talking about two hundred dollars difference a year in gas from the v6 to the GT, and you guys are spending thousands in mods so you can definitley afford that :)


::yawn::...weak sauce, no troll points for you!

Like I said, it all depends on where you live. For a lot of us, it was during the S197 boom time! Markup was insane. It's also a personality issue, some love modding thier cars, the feeling of knowing that they got every inch of performance they could out of their car. Others its about having stock power and a warrenty.

Um...what is a warrenty.

LOL.

Wonder if we can get the mods to make this a sticky I am tired of see this kind of stuff posted. I dont think he was trying to be a pr!ck but I for one am gettin a little touchy about it. Yes I know she is not a V8, yes I know stock I will get owned by a V8, yes I am ok with that, yes shes black and yes I love her. any more questions?

I can not be a prick for obvious reasons, but Yeah!!!!

ORIGINAL: jericho73

ORIGINAL: Revolver

I'm reading through the threads today and I notice alot of you have modded your v6 mustangs to look like GTs. Well factoring in the considerable amount of money it takes to make a v6 look like a GT (dual exhaust, bumpers, grills, fog lights, wheels) you could've bought a GT for much, much cheaper. And you'd have the v8 engine. And don't say gas, we're only talking about two hundred dollars difference a year in gas from the v6 to the GT, and you guys are spending thousands in mods so you can definitley afford that :)


::yawn::...weak sauce, no troll points for you!


If you did it just for the fun project of modding it, I can understand that. It's fun to work on cars if you know how. But some people are modding their v6s to look just like GTs, and in the end they could've just got the GT, which has a better engine, for cheaper if they did some research. That's the logic I don't understand.

Insurance I understand if you're under 25. I'm 24 and to insure my v6 I'm paying $95 a month through USAA, and the GT would've cost me $110 a month. No big deal. But I know if you're young, the difference is huge... I used to pay $250 a month when I was 18 to insure my 97 v6 mustang. The GT would've cost me $400 a month. As far as gas goes, that's a moot point. If you have thousands to spend on modifications, you can afford the extra $200 a year to drive a GT. The difference in gas from the v6 to the GT is very minor, infact they list the estimated annual fuel costs on the MSRP sticker when you buy the car. Check it out.

I'm not taking the bait :D

Hopefully this can stay a civil discussion. If it turns sour it's gonna be removed.

revolver...your retarded.

This question can be post in regards to nearly any car....

1. Why mod a 4 banger
2. Why mod an old small block V8?
3. Why mod a 5.0
4. Why mod an already fast car

There are 9 second edge V6's, 10 second edge V6's. Here is a post I put up on another board on this subject...

"The mod approach is not the approach for all, and turning the six banger into an asphalt ripping nightmare on 4 wheels is definitely more of a challenge.

So if you need the power, like your warrenty, stick with the GT. Or if you want a easier power plant to put you into the 12's and high 11's, stick with the GT. If 210HP is enough for you, a soft ride, with some pep and good looks, then the six is for you. All in all you will be very happy."

And here's another thing to.... why mod it to look like a GT instead of something more sporty like a mach1, roush or shelby... mustangs that are actually hard on the wallet. For a lightweight car fan like myself, no matter how much you mod a GT, unless you get it exactly to match, I can tell it's not a GT right off the bat. I see people mod their 99-04 mustangs but they miss a key critical part like the GT emblem that goes on the back and the sides, or they put dual exhaust and not the tires, or vise versa. On the 94-98 I see people mod them with everything except the rear bumper, which is supposed to say Mustang GT. Dead giveaway :)

On the new models it's even more obvious because the GT has so many extra perks that you need to be very thorough, which is costly, to get it to look just like a GT... right down to the sound (which is another obvious giveaway).

And once I realize it's not a GT I lose respect for the car because I know it's all looks anyway. Just my .02 cents. IMO modding is fine, but modding a lesser model to look like a better model, and spending more money to do it is just not practical.

Rygen, you are wiser than your years! +1 brotha

Ok, this is taking a negative turn. No one here is badging thier car as a GT. I think you got the answers you seek.

ORIGINAL: Wicked Pony

Rygen, you are wiser than your years! +1 brotha


LOL, if only I was. Thank you.

ORIGINAL: Revolver

This question can be post in regards to nearly any car....

1. Why mod a 4 banger
2. Why mod an old small block V8?
3. Why mod a 5.0
4. Why mod an already fast car

There are 9 second edge V6's, 10 second edge V6's. Here is a post I put up on another board on this subject...

"The mod approach is not the approach for all, and turning the six banger into an asphalt ripping nightmare on 4 wheels is definitely more of a challenge.

So if you need the power, like your warrenty, stick with the GT. Or if you want a easier power plant to put you into the 12's and high 11's, stick with the GT. If 210HP is enough for you, a soft ride, with some pep and good looks, then the six is for you. All in all you will be very happy."


The issue here isn't modding the car. The issue is modding the car to look exactly like a GT. If you want to mod your v6 with a bodykit that has all these cool ground effects, unique exhaust pipes and chrome wheels that's fine. But some people mod their v6s to look just like a stock GT, right down to the very last detail.

For $1199, you can look like a GT

http://www.saleen.com/SC101_Services/SC101_Shopper/showItem.php?menuId=19&itemNum=99-xxxx-Cxxxx1

ORIGINAL: Revolver

ORIGINAL: Revolver

This question can be post in regards to nearly any car....

1. Why mod a 4 banger
2. Why mod an old small block V8?
3. Why mod a 5.0
4. Why mod an already fast car

There are 9 second edge V6's, 10 second edge V6's. Here is a post I put up on another board on this subject...

"The mod approach is not the approach for all, and turning the six banger into an asphalt ripping nightmare on 4 wheels is definitely more of a challenge.

So if you need the power, like your warrenty, stick with the GT. Or if you want a easier power plant to put you into the 12's and high 11's, stick with the GT. If 210HP is enough for you, a soft ride, with some pep and good looks, then the six is for you. All in all you will be very happy."


The issue here isn't modding the car. The issue is modding the car to look exactly like a GT. If you want to mod your v6 with a bodykit that has all these cool ground effects, unique exhaust pipes and chrome wheels that's fine. But some people mod their v6s to look just like a stock GT, right down to the very last detail.


I think you go the answers you seek. This is going to get ugly. I would drop it.

If you live in an area where people don't want mustangs, a GT might be cheap. Here in Southern Cal the difference is 6000 to 9000 dollars. A Premium GT is 31k--barganing down may bring you to 28 or 29. But a Premium V-6 is 21500. Also, don't forget that CA cars have to have CA emmissons. You can't buy a new car from another state and register it here in Cali. I have never found a similarly equipped GT that was 'only' 4k more than a V-6. They are a lot more than that.

ORIGINAL: LX200

For $1199, you can look like a GT

http://www.saleen.com/SC101_Services/SC101_Shopper/showItem.php?menuId=19&itemNum=99-xxxx-Cxxxx1


you can get it for cheaper than that.

at any rate, i don't know anyone here who has changed their car with the intent of making a GT clone. Especially not putting GT badges on it.

ANYONE WHO PUTS GT BADGES ON A V6 WILL BE FLAMED THIS IS YOUR ONE AND ONLY WARNING!!!!

Some guys one here do put boss and shelby parts on a 6 (SHELBY CS6 is a v6 BTW) The reason that alot of us go for the GT kit is 3 fold 1. its cheap 500 already painted is a great deal! 2. The GT bumpers look mean and I love dem fog lights. 3. Putting a Saleen or steeda kit on a v6 is just wrong!


BOTTOM LINE: You dont like it dont do it!

I disagree with spending a "considerable" amount to upgrade to a "GT" look.
I got a gt grill (big foglights) on ebay for $150, rally stripes for $60, two pony emblems for the sides, $30
rocker panel decals, $30. I decided to only do "cosmetic" upgrades at "reasonable" prices.
Gas is at $3 and my son is in catholic school. nuff said.

I pay 3k a year for 3 cars full coverage, the gt would put it close to 4. Gas is a big issue, no gt gets 22 city, plus the car payment would be more, so there is alot more cost that just a few bucks a year. yes, I spent more modding ( cause I bought 2 tuners and intakes, and some things that sucked) than the extra that would of gotten me a gt, but then I wouldn't of been able to spend that on the mods. And at the track when I beat a v8, they hate it when they find out I have a 6 with an automatic!

ok...now I have to chime in. Everyone here knows modding as an on-going project. Just because it may look like a GT today does not mean it will look like a GT tomorrow. Tomorrow it could have the Cervinis's BOSS kit installed and then a GT emblem would be out of place. Modding changes the drivers perspective. My car is no longer a Deluxe V6 nor a GT. It's mine. Exactly what I want it to be today.

Also, there is nothing wrong with wanting fog lights, nothing wrong with wanting duals despite your engine size. There are so many things you can do with these cars, mach1 tributes, boss tributes, shelby tributes. The market for the 4.0 is maturing nicely, and options for us for the most part are priced very well.

I agree. If you're going to clone, go all the way and do a Shelby.
I'm here in Lakeland, Florida and I have yet to see a "real" Shelby/Cobra.

This guy (Revolver) sounds a lot like LeJay or LeeJay however his ID was spelt :eek: Wasn't he banned for purposely rubbing the people the wrong way and never really contributing much positive into ANY discussion he got involved in? I give this guy a week.

The only MF member I remember getting stuck on the GT fog lights on a V6 was GT05.

ORIGINAL: BlueDevil

If you live in an area where people don't want mustangs, a GT might be cheap. Here in Southern Cal the difference is 6000 to 9000 dollars. A Premium GT is 31k--barganing down may bring you to 28 or 29. But a Premium V-6 is 21500. Also, don't forget that CA cars have to have CA emmissons. You can't buy a new car from another state and register it here in Cali. I have never found a similarly equipped GT that was 'only' 4k more than a V-6. They are a lot more than that.


That comes into the skill of buying a car from a dealer, which is a whole other discussion. I've bought five cars from dealers in my life, and have done tons of research, so I've learned how to find out their invoice, holdback, factory to dealer incentives and rebates on these. Dealers love to play tricks and mindgames when buying cars, especially if they see that you're young and you really want it. When I went shopping for a new 06 v6 mustang the first dealer I went to, Universal Ford here in Richmond, had 13 mustangs on their lot and the salesman told me it was a high demand car and that's why they won't go below sticker on it. Haa! The third dealer I went into with all my paperwork, showed them how I calculated holdback, factory incentives, factory rebates, and a 5% profit off their invoice. They took the deal 10 minutes later. (Unfortunatley I decided I couldn't afford the car when I found out my credit is ehh.... and my payment would've been too high so I bought a used 05 with 21k miles for only $13,900 instead. You can get these mustangs cheap folks. You just gotta be patient and do some research! I traveled 400 miles, took a one way plane ride and drove my car 8 hours back home, but the money I saved made that well worth it.) I don't have all the info on hand for the GT, but if the dealer is advertising them for $24,xxx, you can get it even lower than that. It means there must be some factory incentive going on. All this abou 6-9k markups for a model thats been out almost 2 years is BS. Ford is about to go bankrupt, dealers would only sell mustangs to die hard fans at that price making Ford's situation worse.

Here is some additional info on Cost of Ownership between both vehicles. Obviously these are averages.

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;269143;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX2_BPCP;060703 V6 manual
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX4_GPCP;060703 Gt manual

7-8K difference in 5 years

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX3_BPCV;060703 V6 vert
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;729187;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOD5_GDCV;060703 GT vert

7K difference in 5 years

If you want to get picky/technical, the difference in the cost of ownership between the two, you could make a V6 faster than a GT, still have money in your pocket AND be paying lower insurance premiums.

ORIGINAL: Derf00

Here is some additional info on Cost of Ownership between both vehicles. Obviously these are averages.

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;269143;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX2_BPCP;060703 V6 manual
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX4_GPCP;060703 Gt manual

7-8K difference in 5 years

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX3_BPCV;060703 V6 vert
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;729187;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOD5_GDCV;060703 GT vert

7K difference in 5 years

If you want to get picky/technical, the difference in the cost of ownership between the two, you could make a V6 faster than a GT, still have money in your pocket AND be paying lower insurance premiums.


Yep, it's quite obvious a v6 is all around cheaper than a GT :) That's why we get v6's. We can't afford the GTs :) Some figures are a little off though, financing is moot because people who mod their 6's to look like GTs are paying a higher price anyway, insurance is subject to the driver, State fees differ, and maintance, I'm not sure of. I can't see how it would cost more to change the oil and antifreeze in a GT than a v6. They factor $1000 there.

But look at the fuel though, which many of you guys claim is a big point for choosing the v6. Only $800 difference over 5 years! That's less than $200 a year!

I own a v6 and I'm happy with it and the cheaper costs. I just would never spend thousands to modify it to look like a GT. Maybe a shelby mach 1 or saleen which cost well over 30 grand, but I'd sooner buy a stock GT than clone one with a worse engine.

hmmm, The difference between a v6 Deluxe and a GT Deluxe is 6k. When I bought my v6, I told the sales people that I want the GT emblem put on so some people would think its a GT. After reading the posts here, I decided to drop the GT emblem. I'm pretty sure I can make my car faster than a GT for less than 6k. Look at the prices at ford.com.

Also after I mod my Stang to go faster than a GT, I want to put a big Powered By V6 on the back so GT owners will know what hit them. I think most people here feel the same way, except you and maybe a few.



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Everyone has what he or she has...

Hell... When I was 16 - I had a 1964 Rambler 550... which by the way was the BOTTOM OF THE BARREL as far as Ramblers went.

I went out to a junk yard and got interior from an Ambassador (Black leather, reclining Seats" and put them in my little 550 for the comfort... Put racing stripes on it for the look. And a glass pack for the sound... mind you were talking about a 125HP car - which had 230k miles on it when I got it so it was more like 95hp.

Be it for the price, or the insurance, or influence of another person, people hear have v6's and most of the body mods that will fit a GT will also fit a V6 so they ARE going to install them to make their car cool.

Why modify the engine of a V6? They modify a V6 for the same reason we modify the engine of our GT… we want a little more then the factory gives us! Duh!

I get aggravated at the "Why did you make your V6 look like a GT instead of buy a GT".... On can ask the same question to the GT people - why do you Mod your GT to look like a Cobra or a Boss or a GT500 instead of buy one... Heck, why didn't you just buy a 600 horsepower car in the first place? Most of the time these threads just fire up for the purpose of causing crap… geeezzzzzz…

By the way... The people in here are not the norm... they are only a tiny percent of mustang owners... MOST car buyers (including Mustang owners) or, the “NORM” - never do a single thing to their cars for the duration of time they own it. Since they don’t do anything but drive the car, there is no reason for “them” to come in here!

The people in here want to change the look or performance or just learn what they can about their mustangs. And that includes anyone with a V6 model!

I don’t mind this discussion… I do mind flaming or slamming! So keep it civil!

Well said!!!!!!

well said PW

I agree with rygen I could afford a gt if i wanted one. I got my v6 for the challenge of making something out of it

You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.

In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.

My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows. ;)

ORIGINAL: petepete

I agree with rygen I could afford a gt if i wanted one. I got my v6 for the challenge of making something out of it


Indeed, and when your fist V6 got jacked, you went out and bought another one and modded that one too. Thats definitely passion about these cars for sure! Nice. [sm=hail.gif]

ORIGINAL: Revolver


Yep, it's quite obvious a v6 is all around cheaper than a GT :) That's why we get v6's. We can't afford the GTs :) Some figures are a little off though, financing is moot because people who mod their 6's to look like GTs are paying a higher price anyway, insurance is subject to the driver, State fees differ, and maintance, I'm not sure of. I can't see how it would cost more to change the oil and antifreeze in a GT than a v6. They factor $1000 there.

But look at the fuel though, which many of you guys claim is a big point for choosing the v6. Only $800 difference over 5 years! That's less than $200 a year!

I own a v6 and I'm happy with it and the cheaper costs. I just would never spend thousands to modify it to look like a GT. Maybe a shelby mach 1 or saleen which cost well over 30 grand, but I'd sooner buy a stock GT than clone one with a worse engine.


Thus the reason people make comments like "you shoulda bought a GT" COmmon sense on that one, Bigger engine has higher capacities = more oil and antifreeze per change.

You're also forgetting the difference in the initial cost of the cars. Even if it's only 4-5K. Add that to the already 7-8K difference in ownership and you are between 11-13K after 5 years. That's 2K a year..gas only figures in <10% of that.

A bit off topic but, it's no wonder people fear housing or market bubbles and are up to their eyeballs in debt. People go out on a limb and push their limits on how much they can really afford when in reality that 150,000 home loan is costing you 300K by the time you pay it off.

Same with a car. There's more to a new car than the initial cost difference. As for people modifying them, because they can. Go troll the V8 section.

I'll just point out that not all regions of the country are the same. In California your insurance is *NOT* based on your driving record. It's based on zip code. (Gonna sell your house and move just for cheaper insurance?) Also, dealers charge what the market will bear. The median home price in Los Angeles county is 580,000. You can even get a nice 2000 square foot condo (brand new!) in Sierra Madre (just north of Pasadena) for only 850,000. What a deal! :) So with money like that, if you don't want to pay a lot for your Mustang, there are plenty of people who will step in front of you and take that nice stang off the lot for what you weren't willing to pay.

Well said Professor!

ORIGINAL: Wicked Pony

Well said Professor!


An open letter …..

….. to all GT owners who visit Mustang V6 boards and ask why. Over the years I have attempted to distance myself from the fray over purchasing my V6 rather than a GT like yours. But I think it is time that YOU know the truth.

Your presence and your question makes one thing obvious ….. your own feeling of inadequacy. Possibly you were mistreated as a young child; more than likely some form of psychological or physical abuse. In many cases, a mind attempts to protect its own sanity by blocking out the tragic events; alas, the damage is already done. A good bet is that it is coupled with some form of social anxiety. Penis or Boob envy, maybe? Your car is your phallic symbol. There is no shame in seeking professional help. If you cannot afford it now, my recommendation is that you trade in your GT for a more affordable car; a V6 Mustang would be an excellent choice. The $75 you could save every month would pay for at least an hour of psychotherapy and the return on your investment would be a hundred fold. And maybe, as part of therapy you could mod your new V6 Mustang so that in the end, it will be personalized to your exquisite taste, faster than the GT you could not have afforded to maintain and your insurance company would still charge you V6 premiums! Now that would be reallllllly smart, don't you agree?

In closing, keep in mind that there is no shame in your condition; as a matter of fact it is quite common in our society. Carpenters wish they were plumbers, plumbers wish they were electricians, single men wish they were married, and married men wish they were dead. And still the world turns.

Thank you for reading.

rofl bluestang

ORIGINAL: BlueDevil

If you live in an area where people don't want mustangs, a GT might be cheap. Here in Southern Cal the difference is 6000 to 9000 dollars. A Premium GT is 31k--barganing down may bring you to 28 or 29. But a Premium V-6 is 21500. Also, don't forget that CA cars have to have CA emmissons. You can't buy a new car from another state and register it here in Cali. I have never found a similarly equipped GT that was 'only' 4k more than a V-6. They are a lot more than that.


Yeah, more like $9000 more.

There is a fundamental flaw in all these "if you know the invoice and holdback and commission and cost and blah" arguments. Just because you know all these things, it does NOT mean you are going to get some great deal, OR get the dealer to sell you the car at his invoice cost or below.

It's always supply and demand. You can walk into a dealership with ALL those figures nicely charted in 3 dimensions in an Excel spreadsheet, BUT, if the dealer has two GT's left, knows he is only getting 3 more in over the next month, knows that the 4 other dealers in a 25 mile radius only have one each, YOU AIN'T GETTING THE CAR for some whippdy-do lowball price. The dealer knows if you walk, somebody else will come in the next day and buy it for what he wants.

Now, when the dealer has 7 of them, and some have been on the lot for 3 months, and there are 45 more available in a 25 mile radius, THEN you can walk in and do your dance and convince yourself you're Diamond Jim Negotiator.

I don't care WHO you are, you were NOT going to get a GT at MSRP, or below, for the first 3-4 months they were out. And even now, you'll probably be hard pressed to get one for Invoice. You are certainly not going to get one for thousands below invoice.

If you did, scan the sticker, and your closing sheet and post them now. I wanna see it, because I'll be heading to your dealer to upgrade to a GT.

ORIGINAL: BlueDevil

I'll just point out that not all regions of the country are the same. In California your insurance is *NOT* based on your driving record. It's based on zip code. (Gonna sell your house and move just for cheaper insurance?) Also, dealers charge what the market will bear. The median home price in Los Angeles county is 580,000. You can even get a nice 2000 square foot condo (brand new!) in Sierra Madre (just north of Pasadena) for only 850,000. What a deal! :) So with money like that, if you don't want to pay a lot for your Mustang, there are plenty of people who will step in front of you and take that nice stang off the lot for what you weren't willing to pay.


Right.... two drivers in the same zip code with the same cars.... one has a clean record, the other has and accident and 2 tickets. They pay the same. Right.

I've seen v6's for 22K and GT's for just under 26K at don kott ford in carson. the price difference is definitely not 6-9k.
they also have a GT (not mustang GT, but GT-40 type of GT) in the showroom for 221K, if you want something nicer.

and the guy who said insurance in california isn't based on your driving record is just plain wrong. it's based on where you live and driving record. I wish he was right, but he ain't. [:@]

No but Blue Devil is correct when he says rates are dependent on location. I am pretty sure a guy living in LA is paying more for insurance than a guy living in Springfield, ILL for instance. The reason being crime rates (specifically auto theft) are higher in the LA metro area. We still have a point system in CA based on driving record but the overall rates are generally higher.

OK Revolver now I have some questions

ORIGINAL: Revolver
Yep Some figures are a little off though, financing is moot because people who mod their 6's to look like GTs are paying a higher price anyway,


1. How am I paying more for financing if I put a GT kit on my 6?

ORIGINAL: Revolver
I own a v6 and I'm happy with it and the cheaper costs. I just would never spend thousands to modify it to look like a GT.


2. Where do see it cost thousands to make a 6 look like a GT?? I have told you again and again that its only about $500 including paint

ORIGINAL: Revolver
Maybe a shelby mach 1 or saleen which cost well over 30 grand, but I'd sooner buy a stock GT than clone one with a worse engine.


and my engine is NOT worse just smaller BTW

It doesn't matter if you have a million dollars, you want more money, you have cherry cheesecake you want another slice, you have sex once you want to go again, and if you have a v6 our a v8 mustang your still going to want more horsepower...............also 350 horsepower is plenty enough (i think) for a street car and you can accomplish this by buying a v6 an modding it...........and in the long run save a bunch of money

Hey red some leave the OT door unlocked again and you got out huh>?

no, I just thought somebody should mention a fact or two in this thread before somebody thinks they need to spend 30 grand for a mustang GT.

is everyone being nice here? :)

ORIGINAL: BlueStang6

ORIGINAL: Wicked Pony

Well said Professor!


An open letter …..

….. to all GT owners who visit Mustang V6 boards and ask why. Over the years I have attempted to distance myself from the fray over purchasing my V6 rather than a GT like yours. But I think it is time that YOU know the truth.

Your presence and your question makes one thing obvious ….. your own feeling of inadequacy. Possibly you were mistreated as a young child; more than likely some form of psychological or physical abuse. In many cases, a mind attempts to protect its own sanity by blocking out the tragic events; alas, the damage is already done. A good bet is that it is coupled with some form of social anxiety. Penis or Boob envy, maybe? Your car is your phallic symbol. There is no shame in seeking professional help. If you cannot afford it now, my recommendation is that you trade in your GT for a more affordable car; a V6 Mustang would be an excellent choice. The $75 you could save every month would pay for at least an hour of psychotherapy and the return on your investment would be a hundred fold. And maybe, as part of therapy you could mod your new V6 Mustang so that in the end, it will be personalized to your exquisite taste, faster than the GT you could not have afforded to maintain and your insurance company would still charge you V6 premiums! Now that would be reallllllly smart, don't you agree?

In closing, keep in mind that there is no shame in your condition; as a matter of fact it is quite common in our society. Carpenters wish they were plumbers, plumbers wish they were electricians, single men wish they were married, and married men wish they were dead. And still the world turns.

Thank you for reading.





That's the funniest, but true, stuff I've read yet. Thanks bluestang6, I think I'll borrow it.

my dad is the reason why i could choose a nice car :D

my mom is the reason why i dont have a gt [:@]

next time the title will be why not just get the GT500 instead of that slow 300hp GT.

I want Jay Lennos 1200 horsepower Olds!

but - - I'll keep driving what I have... at least until I hit the Power Ball!

Whoa this is one hell of a thread, figured id chime in. I bought my 6er in april and i was completly content with the power and look. I would see gt's on the street and admire them and not envy what they had. but after about two 3 months i started to get the ich. I threw on a billit fuel door. nice, i havent seen anyone else in my area with a 05-06 with the fuel door, unique. now i got a good glance at the rear end of the car about a month ago, at that ugly a** weak looking muffler. as i started thinkin i felt the sound could be deeper as well, not to be like a gt, but because thats what a mustang should have. Well...my gt take off mufflers arrived today during lunch. buying one would have run me 40-45 from individual people. so i got a pair off ebay for 50 and some change. Now i see this second muffler and feel obligated to add a gt bumper (maybe cut) and add that dual with an H. I also want a front end, maybe with the fogs in the lower grill. I dont think people are trying to duplicate what they cant have, but i do think people are trying to be unique with their cars and be happy with their work at the same time. So can't we all just join hands in mustang unity and sing kombiya or something......

But i will say this....If you slap gt emblem on your sixer........automatic slap [sm=icon_beat.gif]

yes daad!:)
ORIGINAL: MikeHawke

is everyone being nice here? :)

Newbie here, just reading this thread and I think Revolver got his answer. I would like to tell alittle story if you will bear with me. My wife needed a car (I totalled hers). She called me up and said: I have two things to tell you, one good and one bad. I said: what is the good thing? She said: I bought a Mustang conv. I said: what's so bad about that? She said: you can't drive it. I said: is it a GT conv. She said: no, I drove this V6 one and liked it so much that I bought it. End of story and to each their own!!!! It's still a mustang!!!!

All I'm gonna say is the minute I see a "Why buy a V6?" thread, I just think to myself "Here we go again."

ORIGINAL: localgod11



yes daad!:)
ORIGINAL: MikeHawke

is everyone being nice here? :)




good boy. here is a cookie [sm=smiley36.gif]

LOL - I just wanted to make sure that this thread was cool with everyone. Personally, I think "why not get a GT" is a stupid question. Why buy a Mustang at all? Why not buy the new BMW M6, or an AMG SLK500,or a nice Aston Martin Vanquish?

I bought a GT because it was what I wanted but I was parked at a drive in last week and people were more impressed with the pony package sixxer vert that was parked beside me.....so the V6 looks just as good as the GT and there are a ton of other cars out there that are faster than a GT, so what is the point? If I wanted a fast car for about the same money (or less), I would have bought an LS1 Fbody.

of course then you would have to grow a mullet

Revolver, ehat do you dirve? I bet if its a GT its stock appearing, whhopty doo, join the club of every other guy that went and picked up a car..that makes you so much better then us! I say you post some pics..bring it down here and line up next to me. w will get a hooters girl, a 8 yr old, and a enthusiast to give us their honest opinions on which car they like better. I bet my look alike takes yours 3-0

I think he gave up, I hate when they do that

if he did then im gonna go ahead and call it...... PWNED!

[sm=owned.gif]

It's amazing...no matter what forum you go to, even stupid 4-banger forums like newtiburon or whatever, everyone hates on the v6, it's universal. People who have no idea what it is, or have slower cars, still bash the v6 like no tomorrow.

I was talking to some idiot the other day and he said "Those 3.8 v6's just suck!" I proceeded to tell him it's a 4.0 and significantly improved...he still just says, its still a Mustang v6 so it sucks.

Why so much hate for the v6? Even on this site...it's annoying going to other sections because even the weak ass sn95 GT owners bash the v6 relentlessly, as do the new edge gt guys...the s197 guys, not as much. But that's because all s197 owners are brilliant :)

^^ AGREED

and I am madd as hell and Im not gonna take it anymore!!

Oddly enough Revolver seemed to mention earlier that he had a V6 which is why I thought it ironic that someone had to bash V8 guys with his interesting little tongue in cheek monologue. But it's all in good fun, so I'm sure the smart V8'ers won't take offense.

Regardless, I only went GT because my personal goals for the car have end results that required a bigger engine. I personally have never hung out with anyone who wasted time bashing a guy for driving a V6 or anything along those lines. We all appreciate what the other Stangbangers bring to the table in terms of mods, appearance, showmanship, performance whatever. (my friends who happen to be enthusiasts, drive an 05 V6, an older model 3.8, a Cobra, Two Verts (98 and 99), two 05 GT's, one guy has 4 Stangs ranging from an old fastback to the current 05 GT and another guy a Lightening - we should probably start our own car club haha) True Mustang fans simply enjoy the cars for what they are and the ample variety out there. The infighting is pretty lame when it does happen. Glad I don't know people like that anywhere but on forums where they can be anonymous ankle-biters.

:D

ORIGINAL: SPARTAN VI

You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.

In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.

My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows. ;)


I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.

PS: Maybe somebody could explain this to me, but how does depreciation cost you money out of your pocket? If I buy a GT for $24k and it depreciates $14k over 5 years, it didn't cost me an extra $14k to own it, it _only_ cost me $14k because I'm reselling it for $10k.

have you not read anything anyone has posted? I think not, im pretty sure you just like to hear yourself talk.....

ORIGINAL: Revolver


ORIGINAL: SPARTAN VI

You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.

In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.

My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows. ;)


I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.

PS: Maybe somebody could explain this to me, but how does depreciation cost you money out of your pocket? If I buy a GT for $24k and it depreciates $14k over 5 years, it didn't cost me an extra $14k to own it, it _only_ cost me $14k because I'm reselling it for $10k.


Revolver, I have a great idea. Take this over to a GT site and ask them why they paid over $24K for a GT. Maybe you can give them a lesson on negotiating skills and dealer markup. Those Dealers! Imagine being in business to make a profit. Ridiculous concept!

ORIGINAL: Revolver

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.




Where do you get the idea people are spending thousands to make their v6's into GT clones? Do you see threads asking how can i make my v6 look like a GT or something?

People put the bumpers on because they like the look, people change the wheels because they like the look, people mod... because well, thats why car enthusiests do.
But I've yet to see one person say they've done any of those mods to look like a GT, or to hope to.

Also, because of secondary mod companies like Saleen, GT parts are cheap and plentiful. For under $1000 you can easily get everything i mentioned if you just look around and be paitient.

"Right.... two drivers in the same zip code with the same cars.... one has a clean record, the other has and accident and 2 tickets. They pay the same. Right. "

I said based on zip code, not driving record. Two guys with an accident and two tickets (identical record) will pay different rates based upon zip code location, not their driving record. Sure they will pay more because of their record. But *identical* records vary widely based on zip code. The majority of your premium in CA is based on zip code. Several years ago we passed a constitutional amendment banning insurance companies from this practice. It has been fought in court and is still being fought in court. AAA has now said that in December they will start following the law and will primarily base premiums on driving record rather than zip code. You can google all this if you want to. :)

Revolver Date 7/27/2006 4:36:20 PM

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I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.
PS: Maybe somebody could explain this to me, but how does depreciation cost you money out of your pocket? If I buy a GT for $24k and it depreciates $14k over 5 years, it didn't cost me an extra $14k to own it, it _only_ cost me $14k because I'm reselling it for $10k.


Will anyone else beat me to it as I type???

Revolver, several others have responded to your original inquiry, and made the following points:
It doesn't cost thousands to add GT take-off parts to our V6 cars.
Most people here who install GT take-off parts on their cars are not trying to pass them off as a GT. Posers make up a very small percentage of the people out there. We add GT parts (and from other aftermarket companies) to personalize our vehicle - for looks, speed, whatever.
Nearly eveyone on this forum frowns on people who modify their cars for the purpose of making it look like something its not. It could be making a V6 look like a GT, or a Saleen, or a Rousch. Tribute cars are a different story, but nobody here likes posers.


I'll let somebody else answer your question on depreciation.

The botom line: We modify our 4.0L S197 Mustangs because we want them to look and perform according to our own taste and style.

ORIGINAL: Revolver


ORIGINAL: SPARTAN VI

You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.

In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.

My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows. ;)


I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.

PS: Maybe somebody could explain this to me, but how does depreciation cost you money out of your pocket? If I buy a GT for $24k and it depreciates $14k over 5 years, it didn't cost me an extra $14k to own it, it _only_ cost me $14k because I'm reselling it for $10k.


And I think you've completely ignored the plain math I provided you with...oh well. This thread is like the whole auto vs manual thread. You won't concede until everyone says "whatever you say" regardless of the facts posted.
Sorry, I'll take my V6 along with the 3-4 K i saved over a gt PLUS the difference in the cost of ownership 7K, throw on some body mods for 1k that make it look like a gt (if that's your taste) and then take 3-5 K for a S/C or T/C and leave the GT like it was standing still. Oh wait..the extra 3-4K in my pocket will add weight so I'll throw it out the window to make the GT guy feel better :D

as for your post for regarding depreciation not costing you anything...you my friend are a prime example while this country is so far in debt and how people over extend themselves. I'm sure you can name at least ONE thing you could've done with that extra 14K (or the difference in depreciation between the GT and V6) Did you work for Enron by chance?

A car is a liability, not an asset ;)

ORIGINAL: BlueDevil

"Right.... two drivers in the same zip code with the same cars.... one has a clean record, the other has and accident and 2 tickets. They pay the same. Right. "

I said based on zip code, not driving record. Two guys with an accident and two tickets (identical record) will pay different rates based upon zip code location, not their driving record. Sure they will pay more because of their record. But *identical* records vary widely based on zip code. The majority of your premium in CA is based on zip code. Several years ago we passed a constitutional amendment banning insurance companies from this practice. It has been fought in court and is still being fought in court. AAA has now said that in December they will start following the law and will primarily base premiums on driving record rather than zip code. You can google all this if you want to. :)


I have experience with that...My insurance went UP by 100 every six months with the same insurance carrier because any Zip in the Phoenix area is deemed at higher risk for being stolen than where I used to live in Cali. Same car, same record, same person. Just moved. It's finally gone downa bit since I've been here but I was pissed.

Carol Shelby HIMSELF said that he liked his CS6 ( his version of a s/c s197 v6) more than the v8, because the v6 has LESS wheight up front and gives the v6 a much more balanced feel. I couldnt afford the v8, and the insurance, and cant wait to mod my mustang and go scca club racing..... and hopefully win against a more powerfull v8, as long as the v8 isnt aluminum i'll be ok.

You know it occurred to me that there sure is a lot of GT take-off parts in the open market. Maybe there's a conspiracy among the GT owners. They're cloning all their cars to look like something it's not - oh-my-God they may all be profiting from selling take-off's to V6ers and all the time they're spending extra bucks making themselves Rousch or Saleen Clones. Why! Why! Why! Revolver - you must go to all GT Sites and tell them we are on to their scheme!

ORIGINAL: Revolver


I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.



yup 24k but you could do that to the v6 too and it would still be 6000 difference

ORIGINAL: Revolver

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.



Not really...we have answered your questions, it is cheaper to Mod the V6 to make it quicker and make it look better than a GT than buying one. How many answers you want?

Here:

it is cheaper to Mod the V6 to make it quicker and make it look better than a GT
it is cheaper to Mod the V6 to make it quicker and make it look better than a GT. Most people here are not trying to clone GTs, just make their V6 look better!
it is cheaper to Mod the V6 to make it quicker and make it look better than a GT. Most people here are not trying to clone GTs, just make their V6 look better.
it is cheaper to Mod the V6 to make it quicker and make it look better than a GT. Most people here are not trying to clone GTs, just make their V6 look better.

CAN YOU SAY TROLL..........!!!!

does anybody here have a s197 v6 running deep in the 12's?

ORIGINAL: BlueStang6


ORIGINAL: Revolver


ORIGINAL: SPARTAN VI

You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.

In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.

My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows. ;)


I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.

PS: Maybe somebody could explain this to me, but how does depreciation cost you money out of your pocket? If I buy a GT for $24k and it depreciates $14k over 5 years, it didn't cost me an extra $14k to own it, it _only_ cost me $14k because I'm reselling it for $10k.


Revolver, I have a great idea. Take this over to a GT site and ask them why they paid over $24K for a GT. Maybe you can give them a lesson on negotiating skills and dealer markup. Those Dealers! Imagine being in business to make a profit. Ridiculous concept!




Wow dude, what's with the negativity? Bad day or something?

Anyway there's nothing wrong with dealer's profiting. There's profiting and then there's PROFITING. Do you feel it's a more fair deal to give a dealer a 5% profit when most retailers make 1-3% or do you feel it's more fair to give a dealer 20% profit or $8,000? I'm more concerned about my own finances and wallet than their downpayment on their new $700,000 home :)

The Dealers in SoCal, especially last summer when I bought my car, marked up the 05's like crazy. Just getting them back down to a normal sticker price was crazy. All that was on the lots last summer were Vert GT's that were going for a rediculous $35-42k. They were all fully loaded with 20"s and looked sweet but christ, $40k for a Mustang! Tell you what, if you can bring those dealers down from $35K to $25 I'll trade my 6 in tomorrow and buy that car on the spot.

Great, another troll. Don't feed this guy, he'll never go away!

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

does anybody here have a s197 v6 running deep in the 12's?


All it takes it time. Right now, I'm sticking with 8.5lbs of boost to prove that 12's are possible at low boost. Then I will up the boost and meet you in the deep 12's.

ORIGINAL: pat6674u

The Dealers in SoCal, especially last summer when I bought my car, marked up the 05's like crazy. Just getting them back down to a normal sticker price was crazy. All that was on the lots last summer were Vert GT's that were going for a rediculous $35-42k. They were all fully loaded with 20"s and looked sweet but christ, $40k for a Mustang! Tell you what, if you can bring those dealers down from $35K to $25 I'll trade my 6 in tomorrow and buy that car on the spot.


My mother just bought a brand new 2006 nissan maxima two weeks ago and I went with her to negotiate it. Before we had done all our research we went to a dealer to test drive it out and price options. That dealer told us that the 06 Maxima is in high demand and because the 07s are coming, there are very few 06s left. He said most dealers are charging an overhead in addition to MSRP, but he would be kind enough to just charge us sticker price. Aww.. how sweet. We told him "we'll think about it." Went home, researched, went to another dealer and got the car for $700 below invoice, or $3200 below sticker price.

I can't really speak for when the 05s first come out because when a new model comes out, dealers can sometimes get stock of them early, so they'll mark them up since the car is rare at that point in time and I do believe that the 05 was very in demand once the new body style was released. But last summer there were _plenty_ of 05s in stock with the 06s about to arrive so their markup was unjustified. But I do promise you that I can go into your socal dealer tomorrow and get you a GT for 24k easy, assuming there isn't any extra charges added on for california emissions, but if there is, subtract that charge and you'll end up with 24k.

It's really not hard, and it's something you can do yourself. Go to edmunds.com and build the car with options you want and it will give you the MSRP, dealer invoice, and a TMV that shows what other people are paying (ignore that part). Take the dealer invoice, subtract a 3% holdback off of MSRP, subtract the factory rebate, and find out if there are factory to dealer incentives and subtract that too. Subtract the destination charge as well. Take that final figure, add 5% of it to the total, add back in the destination charge, and there you will have a good deal, and a fair profit to the dealer. Take all your paper work, walk right into the salesroom and ask to speak to the manager if possible. Show him all your paper work, tell him the exact color and options you want (if they don't have it they can find one) explain you're offering him a 5% profit and show him your figure. Tell him it's yes or no, non negotiable or you'll walk and someone will take that deal. Tell him it's a fast and easy sale and it's either he can make the money or he doesn't.

And there you have it. Brand new GT for 24k or less.

LOL .....this guy..... LOL

I'm sorry man but you are just s*****. Whatever that word is, use your imagination. You wanted to know why we didn't get a GT, we have given you numerous answers. This is not rocket science. Forget the the "CURRENT" deals on GTs because it's over, we already have V6 Mustangs. We can't just go to the dealers and trade in our Mustangs.

This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.

I havent checked this forum for the last 16 hours, and it still going.....unbelievable. Let's all just have beer and let it it be [sm=partyparty.gif]

I cant believe it!!!! Me and Cain called this over 12 hrs ago you were [sm=owned.gif] get over it move on

ORIGINAL: LX200

This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.


That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.

This is the nicest thing I've ever owned. I've always been one of those guys who drives a beater, with the rust, the leaky rad, the bum starter, the dying fuel pump, leaky window seals, oil leaks, and so on. I've never been interested in dropping big bucks for wheels until now, and in my opinion I got a good bang for my buck. The car is fast and looks great. I hand-picked every option of my car (had to factory order it) and came in 6 grand under the GT. Admittedly, it would be nice to have the V8, dual exhaust, GT bumpers and fogs but I am pleased with my decision.

The only thing I've grown unhappy with is the single exhaust, but it's a cheap mod.

Ken

ORIGINAL: Revolver

ORIGINAL: LX200

This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.


That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.


Well, we can just agree to disagree. If a car is in short supply, you are not going to get it for some great deal.

Case in point, go get a Shelby for several thousand below sticker. Use your technique. Go in and find a Shelby that stickers for $53,000. Tell them "I'll give you $51,000. I know all about your holdback, and invoice price and delivery costs. If you don't sell it to me for $51,000, I'm going to walk."

When you have it, I'll buy the Shelby off of you for sticker, so you can turn a quick $2,000 profit.

ORIGINAL: Revolver

ORIGINAL: LX200

This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.


That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.


Where do you live? Location has a lot to do with this equation. Even with your techniques, which sound like the USAA buying program (or similiar programs). It's easy to tell someone they should follow the steps in this program, but USAA (and other programs) has a directly relationship they can leverage with mfgrs/dealers which makes it really easy to do this. I personally have taken the approach you have with previous cars, and its hit or miss. And guess what, dealers have turned me down, and some have not.

Frankly.....I get the feeling you enjoy debate, and you are keeping this going for the sake of debate. You made your point, others have made thier points. They have what they have, they have what they want and they will do what they want to thier cars. Thats pretty much it, so try to accept it and get over it. This community is based on members learning more about these cars, troubleshooting them, sharing experience, modifications, racing, etc.

Ok so if you are so smart and have all these techniques that will make dealerships beg you to buy their mustangs, why did you buy a V6? I think everybody else here have answered the question. Now its your turn.

i agree with revolver.....the v6 pony package looks more like the 60,s muscle car than the GT does anyhow....so my objective for my car is to work on that theme ei- big fat tires old school,, T handle shifter knob and the proper stance..the GT looks to new with the painted rocker covers the front and rear end have too much plastic...they r 2 totally different cars...who knows maybe when the warranty runs out I'll ripp the 4.0 liter out and shove a real small block under the hood and have the old school carberated rumble...now thats what i'm talkin bout...

ORIGINAL: Revolver

ORIGINAL: LX200

This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.


That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.

Not if every dealer in the area only has 2 in stock. I'm not sure where Revolver is from but it sounds like he lives in an area where supply might outweigh demand. Supply high, yes they will sell the frickin car no matter what. Demand high, supply low, they will wait because someone else is going to come along and buy that car. And no, you can't grind a salesmen for a Ferrari. If you can afford a Ferrari you walk in and buy it. If you want to grind for a frickin' Nissan, yes it is very possible because they probably have 20 of every model except the 350 on the lot. Just like with Ford, you can grind Ford dealers for things like Trucks and SUV's because they have tons of them on the lot.

ORIGINAL: LX200


ORIGINAL: Revolver

ORIGINAL: LX200

This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.


That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.


Well, we can just agree to disagree. If a car is in short supply, you are not going to get it for some great deal.

Case in point, go get a Shelby for several thousand below sticker. Use your technique. Go in and find a Shelby that stickers for $53,000. Tell them "I'll give you $51,000. I know all about your holdback, and invoice price and delivery costs. If you don't sell it to me for $51,000, I'm going to walk."

When you have it, I'll buy the Shelby off of you for sticker, so you can turn a quick $2,000 profit.



Case and point, I heard those things are going for like $25k over sticker, because they can and people will still buy them. Quick sale or an extra $25k in my pocket tomorrow. Hmmmmm?

ORIGINAL: LX200


ORIGINAL: Revolver

ORIGINAL: LX200

This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.


That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.


Well, we can just agree to disagree. If a car is in short supply, you are not going to get it for some great deal.

Case in point, go get a Shelby for several thousand below sticker. Use your technique. Go in and find a Shelby that stickers for $53,000. Tell them "I'll give you $51,000. I know all about your holdback, and invoice price and delivery costs. If you don't sell it to me for $51,000, I'm going to walk."

When you have it, I'll buy the Shelby off of you for sticker, so you can turn a quick $2,000 profit.



Because Mustangs are not in short supply! There are tons of dealers in California and the odds of every dealer not ordering enough inventory to satisfy customer demand are quite low, but even if this was the very very rare case, they can still have the car you want brought over from other states as car dealers belong to specific "regions" which include 5-6 states throughout the US.

But the Mustang itself is not in short supply. This is not a car where Ford is only making a specific amount and that's it. Ford can make as many as they want. The car dealers can order from the factory as many as they want.

Do we have a deal on the Shelby? Because I will absolutley get you a Shelby for invoice price. The only difference with the Shelby is when I negotiate, since this isn't a car that dealers commonly carry on their lot, I would tell them to order it from the factory, which costs them nothing extra. Unless of course the Shelby is a limited edition car, which means Ford only made a specific amount. But if it can be ordered from the factory, I can get a fair price.

Not if every dealer in the area only has 2 in stock. I'm not sure where Revolver is from but it sounds like he lives in an area where supply might outweigh demand. Supply high, yes they will sell the frickin car no matter what. Demand high, supply low, they will wait because someone else is going to come along and buy that car. And no, you can't grind a salesmen for a Ferrari. If you can afford a Ferrari you walk in and buy it. If you want to grind for a frickin' Nissan, yes it is very possible because they probably have 20 of every model except the 350 on the lot. Just like with Ford, you can grind Ford dealers for things like Trucks and SUV's because they have tons of them on the lot.

In the world of car dealers, the dealer has the option to order whatever he wants from the factory. He can order as many mustangs, SUVs, trucks, cars, etc that he wants. There is no such thing as supply and demand when Ford is making an unlimited amount of Mustangs and that dealer could order 10,000 mustangs if he wanted to, and knew he could sell them all. In fact Ford gives their car dealers incentives such as buy 20 Mustangs, and receive $10,000 off. Usually it's the high volume car dealers that take incentives like these.

Where do you live? Location has a lot to do with this equation. Even with your techniques, which sound like the USAA buying program (or similiar programs). It's easy to tell someone they should follow the steps in this program, but USAA (and other programs) has a directly relationship they can leverage with mfgrs/dealers which makes it really easy to do this. I personally have taken the approach you have with previous cars, and its hit or miss. And guess what, dealers have turned me down, and some have not.

I have USAA and they actually negotiate for you, but unfortunatley their negotiation price is higher than 5% that i want, so I just negotiate it myself.

ORIGINAL: Revolver

ORIGINAL: BlueStang6


ORIGINAL: Revolver


ORIGINAL: SPARTAN VI

You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.

In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.

My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows. ;)


I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.

I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.

PS: Maybe somebody could explain this to me, but how does depreciation cost you money out of your pocket? If I buy a GT for $24k and it depreciates $14k over 5 years, it didn't cost me an extra $14k to own it, it _only_ cost me $14k because I'm reselling it for $10k.


Revolver, I have a great idea. Take this over to a GT site and ask them why they paid over $24K for a GT. Maybe you can give them a lesson on negotiating skills and dealer markup. Those Dealers! Imagine being in business to make a profit. Ridiculous concept!




Wow dude, what's with the negativity? Bad day or something?

Anyway there's nothing wrong with dealer's profiting. There's profiting and then there's PROFITING. Do you feel it's a more fair deal to give a dealer a 5% profit when most retailers make 1-3% or do you feel it's more fair to give a dealer 20% profit or $8,000? I'm more concerned about my own finances and wallet than their downpayment on their new $700,000 home :)



Do you actually believe that "most retailers only make 1% or 3%"?!?!?!?!

That must be a very high volume commodity retailer LOL. Some foodservice WHOLESALERS make 1 - 3 percent on their sales but they are doing probably 1 billion or more per year. Your average retailer better be making upwards of 30% on an average sale or they would not be able to afford to turn their lights on.

Anyway, we are done here.

Locked.