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This is the nicest thing I've ever owned. I've always been one of those guys who drives a beater, with the rust, the leaky rad, the bum starter, the dying fuel pump, leaky window seals, oil leaks, and so on. I've never been interested in dropping big bucks for wheels until now, and in my opinion I got a good bang for my buck. The car is fast and looks great. I hand-picked every option of my car (had to factory order it) and came in 6 grand under the GT. Admittedly, it would be nice to have the V8, dual exhaust, GT bumpers and fogs but I am pleased with my decision.
The only thing I've grown unhappy with is the single exhaust, but it's a cheap mod.
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This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.
That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.
Well, we can just agree to disagree. If a car is in short supply, you are not going to get it for some great deal.
Case in point, go get a Shelby for several thousand below sticker. Use your technique. Go in and find a Shelby that stickers for $53,000. Tell them "I'll give you $51,000. I know all about your holdback, and invoice price and delivery costs. If you don't sell it to me for $51,000, I'm going to walk."
When you have it, I'll buy the Shelby off of you for sticker, so you can turn a quick $2,000 profit.
This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.
That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.
Where do you live? Location has a lot to do with this equation. Even with your techniques, which sound like the USAA buying program (or similiar programs). It's easy to tell someone they should follow the steps in this program, but USAA (and other programs) has a directly relationship they can leverage with mfgrs/dealers which makes it really easy to do this. I personally have taken the approach you have with previous cars, and its hit or miss. And guess what, dealers have turned me down, and some have not.
Frankly.....I get the feeling you enjoy debate, and you are keeping this going for the sake of debate. You made your point, others have made thier points. They have what they have, they have what they want and they will do what they want to thier cars. Thats pretty much it, so try to accept it and get over it. This community is based on members learning more about these cars, troubleshooting them, sharing experience, modifications, racing, etc.
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Ok so if you are so smart and have all these techniques that will make dealerships beg you to buy their mustangs, why did you buy a V6? I think everybody else here have answered the question. Now its your turn.
i agree with revolver.....the v6 pony package looks more like the 60,s muscle car than the GT does anyhow....so my objective for my car is to work on that theme ei- big fat tires old school,, T handle shifter knob and the proper stance..the GT looks to new with the painted rocker covers the front and rear end have too much plastic...they r 2 totally different cars...who knows maybe when the warranty runs out I'll ripp the 4.0 liter out and shove a real small block under the hood and have the old school carberated rumble...now thats what i'm talkin bout...
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This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.
That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.
Not if every dealer in the area only has 2 in stock. I'm not sure where Revolver is from but it sounds like he lives in an area where supply might outweigh demand. Supply high, yes they will sell the frickin car no matter what. Demand high, supply low, they will wait because someone else is going to come along and buy that car. And no, you can't grind a salesmen for a Ferrari. If you can afford a Ferrari you walk in and buy it. If you want to grind for a frickin' Nissan, yes it is very possible because they probably have 20 of every model except the 350 on the lot. Just like with Ford, you can grind Ford dealers for things like Trucks and SUV's because they have tons of them on the lot.
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This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.
That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.
Well, we can just agree to disagree. If a car is in short supply, you are not going to get it for some great deal.
Case in point, go get a Shelby for several thousand below sticker. Use your technique. Go in and find a Shelby that stickers for $53,000. Tell them "I'll give you $51,000. I know all about your holdback, and invoice price and delivery costs. If you don't sell it to me for $51,000, I'm going to walk."
When you have it, I'll buy the Shelby off of you for sticker, so you can turn a quick $2,000 profit.
Case and point, I heard those things are going for like $25k over sticker, because they can and people will still buy them. Quick sale or an extra $25k in my pocket tomorrow. Hmmmmm?
This guy still does not get it..... you can strut around all you want and say you'll walk... if he has 2 in stock, he'll let you walk and sell it to somebody tomorrow. If he has 11 in stock, he'll run after you.
That is absolute BS. If they only have two in stock they can do a dealer to dealer search and locate the one you want and have it shipped over usually for a fee of around $100. And if they can't find the exact one you want they can just order one from the factory at no additional cost to them. They are more desperate for the sale than you are for the car. You have the power here, not them, even if you were buying a Ferrari. They may put on an act like they're doing you a BIG FAVOR by selling you the car at sticker price, but it's all just sales tactics to increase their pockets. One you show them you've done your research and you're firm and confident in your offer, they'll take it.
Well, we can just agree to disagree. If a car is in short supply, you are not going to get it for some great deal.
Case in point, go get a Shelby for several thousand below sticker. Use your technique. Go in and find a Shelby that stickers for $53,000. Tell them "I'll give you $51,000. I know all about your holdback, and invoice price and delivery costs. If you don't sell it to me for $51,000, I'm going to walk."
When you have it, I'll buy the Shelby off of you for sticker, so you can turn a quick $2,000 profit.
Because Mustangs are not in short supply! There are tons of dealers in California and the odds of every dealer not ordering enough inventory to satisfy customer demand are quite low, but even if this was the very very rare case, they can still have the car you want brought over from other states as car dealers belong to specific "regions" which include 5-6 states throughout the US.
But the Mustang itself is not in short supply. This is not a car where Ford is only making a specific amount and that's it. Ford can make as many as they want. The car dealers can order from the factory as many as they want.
Do we have a deal on the Shelby? Because I will absolutley get you a Shelby for invoice price. The only difference with the Shelby is when I negotiate, since this isn't a car that dealers commonly carry on their lot, I would tell them to order it from the factory, which costs them nothing extra. Unless of course the Shelby is a limited edition car, which means Ford only made a specific amount. But if it can be ordered from the factory, I can get a fair price.
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Not if every dealer in the area only has 2 in stock. I'm not sure where Revolver is from but it sounds like he lives in an area where supply might outweigh demand. Supply high, yes they will sell the frickin car no matter what. Demand high, supply low, they will wait because someone else is going to come along and buy that car. And no, you can't grind a salesmen for a Ferrari. If you can afford a Ferrari you walk in and buy it. If you want to grind for a frickin' Nissan, yes it is very possible because they probably have 20 of every model except the 350 on the lot. Just like with Ford, you can grind Ford dealers for things like Trucks and SUV's because they have tons of them on the lot.
In the world of car dealers, the dealer has the option to order whatever he wants from the factory. He can order as many mustangs, SUVs, trucks, cars, etc that he wants. There is no such thing as supply and demand when Ford is making an unlimited amount of Mustangs and that dealer could order 10,000 mustangs if he wanted to, and knew he could sell them all. In fact Ford gives their car dealers incentives such as buy 20 Mustangs, and receive $10,000 off. Usually it's the high volume car dealers that take incentives like these.
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Where do you live? Location has a lot to do with this equation. Even with your techniques, which sound like the USAA buying program (or similiar programs). It's easy to tell someone they should follow the steps in this program, but USAA (and other programs) has a directly relationship they can leverage with mfgrs/dealers which makes it really easy to do this. I personally have taken the approach you have with previous cars, and its hit or miss. And guess what, dealers have turned me down, and some have not.
I have USAA and they actually negotiate for you, but unfortunatley their negotiation price is higher than 5% that i want, so I just negotiate it myself.
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You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.
In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.
My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows.
I guarantee you if I lived in Southern cali I could walk into a Ford dealership today and leave with a GT for 24k. Never go by what the dealer has advertised on sticker, or on the windshield. It's BS and overpriced. You calculate your own fair profit off of the research you do online, bring it all in, and show the salesman and say he can either take a check for 5% profit or leave it but somebody will take it. And someone will take it because it's nothing for a dealer to simply order more Mustangs to fill depleted inventories.
I think most of you guys have lost site of this thread. This isn't your average GT is better than V6 thread. This is a thread questioning the practicality of buying a v6 and spending thousands to make it look like a clone GT, when you could just shop around and find a GT for cheaper.
PS: Maybe somebody could explain this to me, but how does depreciation cost you money out of your pocket? If I buy a GT for $24k and it depreciates $14k over 5 years, it didn't cost me an extra $14k to own it, it _only_ cost me $14k because I'm reselling it for $10k.
Revolver, I have a great idea. Take this over to a GT site and ask them why they paid over $24K for a GT. Maybe you can give them a lesson on negotiating skills and dealer markup. Those Dealers! Imagine being in business to make a profit. Ridiculous concept!
Wow dude, what's with the negativity? Bad day or something?
Anyway there's nothing wrong with dealer's profiting. There's profiting and then there's PROFITING. Do you feel it's a more fair deal to give a dealer a 5% profit when most retailers make 1-3% or do you feel it's more fair to give a dealer 20% profit or $8,000? I'm more concerned about my own finances and wallet than their downpayment on their new $700,000 home :)
Do you actually believe that "most retailers only make 1% or 3%"?!?!?!?!
That must be a very high volume commodity retailer LOL. Some foodservice WHOLESALERS make 1 - 3 percent on their sales but they are doing probably 1 billion or more per year. Your average retailer better be making upwards of 30% on an average sale or they would not be able to afford to turn their lights on.
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