You will not find a brand new GT in SoCal for anything less than $27K. I was at the local dealership this past few weeks getting my stang fixed, walked through the showroom floor and GTs there were $29K and $30K. A GT-CS 'vert was $37K.
In any case, I could afford the monthly payments for a GT and couldn't even begin to afford the insurance. Now I can afford it, I've doubled my income since.
My V6 cost me $21K, up to $26K after taxes, financing (I only put $1K down), etc. And it only cost me $400 for GT bumpers, and $300 for magnaflows.
I agree with rygen I could afford a gt if i wanted one. I got my v6 for the challenge of making something out of it
Indeed, and when your fist V6 got jacked, you went out and bought another one and modded that one too. Thats definitely passion about these cars for sure! Nice.
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Yep, it's quite obvious a v6 is all around cheaper than a GT :) That's why we get v6's. We can't afford the GTs :) Some figures are a little off though, financing is moot because people who mod their 6's to look like GTs are paying a higher price anyway, insurance is subject to the driver, State fees differ, and maintance, I'm not sure of. I can't see how it would cost more to change the oil and antifreeze in a GT than a v6. They factor $1000 there.
But look at the fuel though, which many of you guys claim is a big point for choosing the v6. Only $800 difference over 5 years! That's less than $200 a year!
I own a v6 and I'm happy with it and the cheaper costs. I just would never spend thousands to modify it to look like a GT. Maybe a shelby mach 1 or saleen which cost well over 30 grand, but I'd sooner buy a stock GT than clone one with a worse engine.
Thus the reason people make comments like "you shoulda bought a GT" COmmon sense on that one, Bigger engine has higher capacities = more oil and antifreeze per change.
You're also forgetting the difference in the initial cost of the cars. Even if it's only 4-5K. Add that to the already 7-8K difference in ownership and you are between 11-13K after 5 years. That's 2K a year..gas only figures in <10% of that.
A bit off topic but, it's no wonder people fear housing or market bubbles and are up to their eyeballs in debt. People go out on a limb and push their limits on how much they can really afford when in reality that 150,000 home loan is costing you 300K by the time you pay it off.
Same with a car. There's more to a new car than the initial cost difference. As for people modifying them, because they can. Go troll the V8 section.
I'll just point out that not all regions of the country are the same. In California your insurance is *NOT* based on your driving record. It's based on zip code. (Gonna sell your house and move just for cheaper insurance?) Also, dealers charge what the market will bear. The median home price in Los Angeles county is 580,000. You can even get a nice 2000 square foot condo (brand new!) in Sierra Madre (just north of Pasadena) for only 850,000. What a deal! :) So with money like that, if you don't want to pay a lot for your Mustang, there are plenty of people who will step in front of you and take that nice stang off the lot for what you weren't willing to pay.
….. to all GT owners who visit Mustang V6 boards and ask why. Over the years I have attempted to distance myself from the fray over purchasing my V6 rather than a GT like yours. But I think it is time that YOU know the truth.
Your presence and your question makes one thing obvious ….. your own feeling of inadequacy. Possibly you were mistreated as a young child; more than likely some form of psychological or physical abuse. In many cases, a mind attempts to protect its own sanity by blocking out the tragic events; alas, the damage is already done. A good bet is that it is coupled with some form of social anxiety. Penis or Boob envy, maybe? Your car is your phallic symbol. There is no shame in seeking professional help. If you cannot afford it now, my recommendation is that you trade in your GT for a more affordable car; a V6 Mustang would be an excellent choice. The $75 you could save every month would pay for at least an hour of psychotherapy and the return on your investment would be a hundred fold. And maybe, as part of therapy you could mod your new V6 Mustang so that in the end, it will be personalized to your exquisite taste, faster than the GT you could not have afforded to maintain and your insurance company would still charge you V6 premiums! Now that would be reallllllly smart, don't you agree?
In closing, keep in mind that there is no shame in your condition; as a matter of fact it is quite common in our society. Carpenters wish they were plumbers, plumbers wish they were electricians, single men wish they were married, and married men wish they were dead. And still the world turns.
Thank you for reading.
< Message edited by BlueStang6 -- 7/27/2006 2:14:28 PM >
If you live in an area where people don't want mustangs, a GT might be cheap. Here in Southern Cal the difference is 6000 to 9000 dollars. A Premium GT is 31k--barganing down may bring you to 28 or 29. But a Premium V-6 is 21500. Also, don't forget that CA cars have to have CA emmissons. You can't buy a new car from another state and register it here in Cali. I have never found a similarly equipped GT that was 'only' 4k more than a V-6. They are a lot more than that.
Yeah, more like $9000 more.
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There is a fundamental flaw in all these "if you know the invoice and holdback and commission and cost and blah" arguments. Just because you know all these things, it does NOT mean you are going to get some great deal, OR get the dealer to sell you the car at his invoice cost or below.
It's always supply and demand. You can walk into a dealership with ALL those figures nicely charted in 3 dimensions in an Excel spreadsheet, BUT, if the dealer has two GT's left, knows he is only getting 3 more in over the next month, knows that the 4 other dealers in a 25 mile radius only have one each, YOU AIN'T GETTING THE CAR for some whippdy-do lowball price. The dealer knows if you walk, somebody else will come in the next day and buy it for what he wants.
Now, when the dealer has 7 of them, and some have been on the lot for 3 months, and there are 45 more available in a 25 mile radius, THEN you can walk in and do your dance and convince yourself you're Diamond Jim Negotiator.
I don't care WHO you are, you were NOT going to get a GT at MSRP, or below, for the first 3-4 months they were out. And even now, you'll probably be hard pressed to get one for Invoice. You are certainly not going to get one for thousands below invoice.
If you did, scan the sticker, and your closing sheet and post them now. I wanna see it, because I'll be heading to your dealer to upgrade to a GT.
I'll just point out that not all regions of the country are the same. In California your insurance is *NOT* based on your driving record. It's based on zip code. (Gonna sell your house and move just for cheaper insurance?) Also, dealers charge what the market will bear. The median home price in Los Angeles county is 580,000. You can even get a nice 2000 square foot condo (brand new!) in Sierra Madre (just north of Pasadena) for only 850,000. What a deal! :) So with money like that, if you don't want to pay a lot for your Mustang, there are plenty of people who will step in front of you and take that nice stang off the lot for what you weren't willing to pay.
Right.... two drivers in the same zip code with the same cars.... one has a clean record, the other has and accident and 2 tickets. They pay the same. Right.
I've seen v6's for 22K and GT's for just under 26K at don kott ford in carson. the price difference is definitely not 6-9k. they also have a GT (not mustang GT, but GT-40 type of GT) in the showroom for 221K, if you want something nicer.
and the guy who said insurance in california isn't based on your driving record is just plain wrong. it's based on where you live and driving record. I wish he was right, but he ain't.
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No but Blue Devil is correct when he says rates are dependent on location. I am pretty sure a guy living in LA is paying more for insurance than a guy living in Springfield, ILL for instance. The reason being crime rates (specifically auto theft) are higher in the LA metro area. We still have a point system in CA based on driving record but the overall rates are generally higher.
ORIGINAL: Revolver Yep Some figures are a little off though, financing is moot because people who mod their 6's to look like GTs are paying a higher price anyway,
1. How am I paying more for financing if I put a GT kit on my 6?
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ORIGINAL: Revolver I own a v6 and I'm happy with it and the cheaper costs. I just would never spend thousands to modify it to look like a GT.
2. Where do see it cost thousands to make a 6 look like a GT?? I have told you again and again that its only about $500 including paint
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ORIGINAL: Revolver Maybe a shelby mach 1 or saleen which cost well over 30 grand, but I'd sooner buy a stock GT than clone one with a worse engine.
and my engine is NOT worse just smaller BTW
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It doesn't matter if you have a million dollars, you want more money, you have cherry cheesecake you want another slice, you have sex once you want to go again, and if you have a v6 our a v8 mustang your still going to want more horsepower...............also 350 horsepower is plenty enough (i think) for a street car and you can accomplish this by buying a v6 an modding it...........and in the long run save a bunch of money
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Hey red some leave the OT door unlocked again and you got out huh>?
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When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come and see!" And behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a balance in his hand.
….. to all GT owners who visit Mustang V6 boards and ask why. Over the years I have attempted to distance myself from the fray over purchasing my V6 rather than a GT like yours. But I think it is time that YOU know the truth.
Your presence and your question makes one thing obvious ….. your own feeling of inadequacy. Possibly you were mistreated as a young child; more than likely some form of psychological or physical abuse. In many cases, a mind attempts to protect its own sanity by blocking out the tragic events; alas, the damage is already done. A good bet is that it is coupled with some form of social anxiety. Penis or Boob envy, maybe? Your car is your phallic symbol. There is no shame in seeking professional help. If you cannot afford it now, my recommendation is that you trade in your GT for a more affordable car; a V6 Mustang would be an excellent choice. The $75 you could save every month would pay for at least an hour of psychotherapy and the return on your investment would be a hundred fold. And maybe, as part of therapy you could mod your new V6 Mustang so that in the end, it will be personalized to your exquisite taste, faster than the GT you could not have afforded to maintain and your insurance company would still charge you V6 premiums! Now that would be reallllllly smart, don't you agree?
In closing, keep in mind that there is no shame in your condition; as a matter of fact it is quite common in our society. Carpenters wish they were plumbers, plumbers wish they were electricians, single men wish they were married, and married men wish they were dead. And still the world turns.
Thank you for reading.
That's the funniest, but true, stuff I've read yet. Thanks bluestang6, I think I'll borrow it.
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