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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:13:30 PM   
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Rygen, you are wiser than your years! +1 brotha


LOL, if only I was. Thank you.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:13:43 PM   
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This question can be post in regards to nearly any car....

1. Why mod a 4 banger
2. Why mod an old small block V8?
3. Why mod a 5.0
4. Why mod an already fast car

There are 9 second edge V6's, 10 second edge V6's. Here is a post I put up on another board on this subject...

"The mod approach is not the approach for all, and turning the six banger into an asphalt ripping nightmare on 4 wheels is definitely more of a challenge.

So if you need the power, like your warrenty, stick with the GT. Or if you want a easier power plant to put you into the 12's and high 11's, stick with the GT. If 210HP is enough for you, a soft ride, with some pep and good looks, then the six is for you. All in all you will be very happy."


The issue here isn't modding the car. The issue is modding the car to look exactly like a GT. If you want to mod your v6 with a bodykit that has all these cool ground effects, unique exhaust pipes and chrome wheels that's fine. But some people mod their v6s to look just like a stock GT, right down to the very last detail.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:13:47 PM   
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For $1199, you can look like a GT

http://www.saleen.com/SC101_Services/SC101_Shopper/showItem.php?menuId=19&itemNum=99-xxxx-Cxxxx1

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:15:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Revolver

quote:

ORIGINAL: Revolver

This question can be post in regards to nearly any car....

1. Why mod a 4 banger
2. Why mod an old small block V8?
3. Why mod a 5.0
4. Why mod an already fast car

There are 9 second edge V6's, 10 second edge V6's. Here is a post I put up on another board on this subject...

"The mod approach is not the approach for all, and turning the six banger into an asphalt ripping nightmare on 4 wheels is definitely more of a challenge.

So if you need the power, like your warrenty, stick with the GT. Or if you want a easier power plant to put you into the 12's and high 11's, stick with the GT. If 210HP is enough for you, a soft ride, with some pep and good looks, then the six is for you. All in all you will be very happy."


The issue here isn't modding the car. The issue is modding the car to look exactly like a GT. If you want to mod your v6 with a bodykit that has all these cool ground effects, unique exhaust pipes and chrome wheels that's fine. But some people mod their v6s to look just like a stock GT, right down to the very last detail.


I think you go the answers you seek. This is going to get ugly. I would drop it.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:15:52 PM   
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If you live in an area where people don't want mustangs, a GT might be cheap. Here in Southern Cal the difference is 6000 to 9000 dollars. A Premium GT is 31k--barganing down may bring you to 28 or 29. But a Premium V-6 is 21500. Also, don't forget that CA cars have to have CA emmissons. You can't buy a new car from another state and register it here in Cali. I have never found a similarly equipped GT that was 'only' 4k more than a V-6. They are a lot more than that.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:16:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LX200

For $1199, you can look like a GT

http://www.saleen.com/SC101_Services/SC101_Shopper/showItem.php?menuId=19&itemNum=99-xxxx-Cxxxx1


you can get it for cheaper than that.

at any rate, i don't know anyone here who has changed their car with the intent of making a GT clone. Especially not putting GT badges on it.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:16:20 PM   
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ANYONE WHO PUTS GT BADGES ON A V6 WILL BE FLAMED THIS IS YOUR ONE AND ONLY WARNING!!!!

Some guys one here do put boss and shelby parts on a 6 (SHELBY CS6 is a v6 BTW) The reason that alot of us go for the GT kit is 3 fold 1. its cheap 500 already painted is a great deal! 2. The GT bumpers look mean and I love dem fog lights. 3. Putting a Saleen or steeda kit on a v6 is just wrong!


BOTTOM LINE: You dont like it dont do it!

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:17:20 PM   
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I disagree with spending a "considerable" amount to upgrade to a "GT" look.
I got a gt grill (big foglights) on ebay for $150, rally stripes for $60, two pony emblems for the sides, $30
rocker panel decals, $30. I decided to only do "cosmetic" upgrades at "reasonable" prices.
Gas is at $3 and my son is in catholic school. nuff said.


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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:19:04 PM   
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I pay 3k a year for 3 cars full coverage, the gt would put it close to 4. Gas is a big issue, no gt gets 22 city, plus the car payment would be more, so there is alot more cost that just a few bucks a year. yes, I spent more modding ( cause I bought 2 tuners and intakes, and some things that sucked) than the extra that would of gotten me a gt, but then I wouldn't of been able to spend that on the mods. And at the track when I beat a v8, they hate it when they find out I have a 6 with an automatic!

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:20:33 PM   
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ok...now I have to chime in. Everyone here knows modding as an on-going project. Just because it may look like a GT today does not mean it will look like a GT tomorrow. Tomorrow it could have the Cervinis's BOSS kit installed and then a GT emblem would be out of place. Modding changes the drivers perspective. My car is no longer a Deluxe V6 nor a GT. It's mine. Exactly what I want it to be today.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:23:19 PM   
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Also, there is nothing wrong with wanting fog lights, nothing wrong with wanting duals despite your engine size. There are so many things you can do with these cars, mach1 tributes, boss tributes, shelby tributes. The market for the 4.0 is maturing nicely, and options for us for the most part are priced very well.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:25:09 PM   
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I agree. If you're going to clone, go all the way and do a Shelby.
I'm here in Lakeland, Florida and I have yet to see a "real" Shelby/Cobra.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:29:54 PM   
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This guy (Revolver) sounds a lot like LeJay or LeeJay however his ID was spelt Wasn't he banned for purposely rubbing the people the wrong way and never really contributing much positive into ANY discussion he got involved in? I give this guy a week.


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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:30:54 PM   
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The only MF member I remember getting stuck on the GT fog lights on a V6 was GT05.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:31:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BlueDevil

If you live in an area where people don't want mustangs, a GT might be cheap. Here in Southern Cal the difference is 6000 to 9000 dollars. A Premium GT is 31k--barganing down may bring you to 28 or 29. But a Premium V-6 is 21500. Also, don't forget that CA cars have to have CA emmissons. You can't buy a new car from another state and register it here in Cali. I have never found a similarly equipped GT that was 'only' 4k more than a V-6. They are a lot more than that.


That comes into the skill of buying a car from a dealer, which is a whole other discussion. I've bought five cars from dealers in my life, and have done tons of research, so I've learned how to find out their invoice, holdback, factory to dealer incentives and rebates on these. Dealers love to play tricks and mindgames when buying cars, especially if they see that you're young and you really want it. When I went shopping for a new 06 v6 mustang the first dealer I went to, Universal Ford here in Richmond, had 13 mustangs on their lot and the salesman told me it was a high demand car and that's why they won't go below sticker on it. Haa! The third dealer I went into with all my paperwork, showed them how I calculated holdback, factory incentives, factory rebates, and a 5% profit off their invoice. They took the deal 10 minutes later. (Unfortunatley I decided I couldn't afford the car when I found out my credit is ehh.... and my payment would've been too high so I bought a used 05 with 21k miles for only $13,900 instead. You can get these mustangs cheap folks. You just gotta be patient and do some research! I traveled 400 miles, took a one way plane ride and drove my car 8 hours back home, but the money I saved made that well worth it.) I don't have all the info on hand for the GT, but if the dealer is advertising them for $24,xxx, you can get it even lower than that. It means there must be some factory incentive going on. All this abou 6-9k markups for a model thats been out almost 2 years is BS. Ford is about to go bankrupt, dealers would only sell mustangs to die hard fans at that price making Ford's situation worse.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:38:07 PM   
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Here is some additional info on Cost of Ownership between both vehicles. Obviously these are averages.

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;269143;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX2_BPCP;060703 V6 manual
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX4_GPCP;060703 Gt manual

7-8K difference in 5 years

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX3_BPCV;060703 V6 vert
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;729187;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOD5_GDCV;060703 GT vert

7K difference in 5 years

If you want to get picky/technical, the difference in the cost of ownership between the two, you could make a V6 faster than a GT, still have money in your pocket AND be paying lower insurance premiums.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:45:45 PM   
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Here is some additional info on Cost of Ownership between both vehicles. Obviously these are averages.

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;269143;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX2_BPCP;060703 V6 manual
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX4_GPCP;060703 Gt manual

7-8K difference in 5 years

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;041087;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOX3_BPCV;060703 V6 vert
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.nccoo?kbb.AZ;729187;AZ013&85249&&;;nc;&5&06FOD5_GDCV;060703 GT vert

7K difference in 5 years

If you want to get picky/technical, the difference in the cost of ownership between the two, you could make a V6 faster than a GT, still have money in your pocket AND be paying lower insurance premiums.


Yep, it's quite obvious a v6 is all around cheaper than a GT :) That's why we get v6's. We can't afford the GTs :) Some figures are a little off though, financing is moot because people who mod their 6's to look like GTs are paying a higher price anyway, insurance is subject to the driver, State fees differ, and maintance, I'm not sure of. I can't see how it would cost more to change the oil and antifreeze in a GT than a v6. They factor $1000 there.

But look at the fuel though, which many of you guys claim is a big point for choosing the v6. Only $800 difference over 5 years! That's less than $200 a year!

I own a v6 and I'm happy with it and the cheaper costs. I just would never spend thousands to modify it to look like a GT. Maybe a shelby mach 1 or saleen which cost well over 30 grand, but I'd sooner buy a stock GT than clone one with a worse engine.

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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:47:30 PM   
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hmmm, The difference between a v6 Deluxe and a GT Deluxe is 6k. When I bought my v6, I told the sales people that I want the GT emblem put on so some people would think its a GT. After reading the posts here, I decided to drop the GT emblem. I'm pretty sure I can make my car faster than a GT for less than 6k. Look at the prices at ford.com.

Also after I mod my Stang to go faster than a GT, I want to put a big Powered By V6 on the back so GT owners will know what hit them. I think most people here feel the same way, except you and maybe a few.




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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:51:51 PM   
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Everyone has what he or she has...

Hell... When I was 16 - I had a 1964 Rambler 550... which by the way was the BOTTOM OF THE BARREL as far as Ramblers went.

I went out to a junk yard and got interior from an Ambassador (Black leather, reclining Seats" and put them in my little 550 for the comfort... Put racing stripes on it for the look. And a glass pack for the sound... mind you were talking about a 125HP car - which had 230k miles on it when I got it so it was more like 95hp.

Be it for the price, or the insurance, or influence of another person, people hear have v6's and most of the body mods that will fit a GT will also fit a V6 so they ARE going to install them to make their car cool.

Why modify the engine of a V6? They modify a V6 for the same reason we modify the engine of our GT… we want a little more then the factory gives us! Duh!

I get aggravated at the "Why did you make your V6 look like a GT instead of buy a GT".... On can ask the same question to the GT people - why do you Mod your GT to look like a Cobra or a Boss or a GT500 instead of buy one... Heck, why didn't you just buy a 600 horsepower car in the first place? Most of the time these threads just fire up for the purpose of causing crap… geeezzzzzz…

By the way... The people in here are not the norm... they are only a tiny percent of mustang owners... MOST car buyers (including Mustang owners) or, the “NORM” - never do a single thing to their cars for the duration of time they own it. Since they don’t do anything but drive the car, there is no reason for “them” to come in here!

The people in here want to change the look or performance or just learn what they can about their mustangs. And that includes anyone with a V6 model!

I don’t mind this discussion… I do mind flaming or slamming! So keep it civil!


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RE: Why not just get a GT? - 7/27/2006 12:53:21 PM   
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Well said!!!!!!

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