No, I didn't have the pleasure of racing one....yet, but I wanted to post what the salesman said about them. I wanted to check out the GTO, just because there are a couple of them running around here and the people who own them seem to be really stuck-up, so I wanted to see what all the fuss is about.
I drove the GTO automatic and standard and there was a world of difference between the two. I really didn't care for the GTO at all simply because of the BLAND style that they have, 400 HP, yea, but it didn't feel as fast as the Mustang did and for that fact it wasn't as responsive as the Mustang is. I was surprised to find out that the GTO has a 3:46 gear ratio (close to the Mustangs gear ratio), but didn't have the pick up like the Mustang does. You can feel the power, but it feels like something is holding it back. 400 Hp sould be a strong 12 second car, don't you agree? Especially with the ring gear that it has.
I asked what the 1/4 mile times were and the salesman said 13.0 and then he said "real world" 13.3-13.5. I asked him if he thought that it could take the Mustang GT? He said "It'll walk all over that....Mustang...." I said "But doesn't the Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4 mile?" I said that's only about you know... .2 tenths of a second difference. His rebutal was "have you ever seen a new Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4... I haven't" I said I have not personally seen it at a track, but I have seen timeslips that prove it.
The real kicker was, he showed me a sales cheat sheet of the comparison of the GTO and Mustang GT, and I quote, "If the prospect is not looking for a quater mile car, then the GTO is for them" unquote. I told him, he shouldn't really show people that, it might kill a sale.
The outcome, I know IMHO that the Mustang GT is the true winner. It feels better, it's more comfortable, it's lighter, and with 80 cubic inches less and 100 hp difference, the Mustang GT does a better job and it is a lot more fun to drive. I feel better now.
No, I didn't have the pleasure of racing one....yet, but I wanted to post what the salesman said about them. I wanted to check out the GTO, just because there are a couple of them running around here and the people who own them seem to be really stuck-up, so I wanted to see what all the fuss is about.
I drove the GTO automatic and standard and there was a world of difference between the two. I really didn't care for the GTO at all simply because of the BLAND style that they have, 400 HP, yea, but it didn't feel as fast as the Mustang did and for that fact it wasn't as responsive as the Mustang is. I was surprised to find out that the GTO has a 3:46 gear ratio (close to the Mustangs gear ratio), but didn't have the pick up like the Mustang does. You can feel the power, but it feels like something is holding it back. 400 Hp sould be a strong 12 second car, don't you agree? Especially with the ring gear that it has.
I asked what the 1/4 mile times were and the salesman said 13.0 and then he said "real world" 13.3-13.5. I asked him if he thought that it could take the Mustang GT? He said "It'll walk all over that....Mustang...." I said "But doesn't the Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4 mile?" I said that's only about you know... .2 tenths of a second difference. His rebutal was "have you ever seen a new Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4... I haven't" I said I have not personally seen it at a track, but I have seen timeslips that prove it.
The real kicker was, he showed me a sales cheat sheet of the comparison of the GTO and Mustang GT, and I quote, "If the prospect is not looking for a quater mile car, then the GTO is for them" unquote. I told him, he shouldn't really show people that, it might kill a sale.
The outcome, I know IMHO that the Mustang GT is the true winner. It feels better, it's more comfortable, it's lighter, and with 80 cubic inches less and 100 hp difference, the Mustang GT does a better job and it is a lot more fun to drive. I feel better now.
He's a salesguy who is paid to lie to you..... lets see, yet another Pontiac going to pasture.... next month the same guy will be selling Mustang's...
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GTO must be one of the ugliest things I have seen. I was wondering how we would run against them, but I never see one around to race.
They usually aren't much of a problem stock, the saleguy touted 13.0 but thinks 13.5, I have yet to see one go either stock. Modified of course, but stock, nope... so, it's ugly and not as fast as 400hp would make you think, plus it weighs something around 4,000 without the driver....ugh...
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Wish I would have had a chance to race my friend back home while he had his..... Haven't got to talk to him to find out why he got rid of it.... there are just so many reasons I can think of.
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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..
i believe maybe 2004 had 350? i might be wrong...anyways my younger brothers friend is supposedly getting a 2006 gto sometime soon (hopefully before i get the roush supercharger so i can race him stock) and i will let you know how it goes haha.
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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..
True, the LS1 and LS2 engines are good engines as far as making Hp. I really don't think that they should be worshiped though. I know that a lot of people may not believe me and that's fine, (but I did get to prove to someone once) I didn't have many problems beating the LS1 engine when I had my 93 5.0. I know that the Mustang when driven and launched right, will at least "run" if not barely beat the GTO.
Hard figures are hard to argue with and the 1/4 mile figures that different magazines have gotten from the GTO show that it's not that much of a contender to the Mustang. Granted if they had a 1/2 mile track or a 1 mile run, I think that the LS1 would take the Mustang hands down, but we have 1/4 mile tracks and stop lights to stop lights and that's were the Mustang shines.
IMO, lately GM cars performance numbers have been exagerated and fords have been underrated. I am a member of the GTOAA due to having a 67 GTO in the family. I wanted new goat bad when I heard the specs, until I saw what it looked like that is. Now I believe firmly that Lutz should be hung for putting it to market, and I encourage all of the owners of them to debadge them as soon as possible.
But anyway, looks aside, at the GTOAA meets, the new 400hp goats have trouble running mid thirteens. Most get up there and click off 13.7's 13.6's. Maybe a 13.4 once in a while. A bad launch will show up as a 14.
Guys with very dialed in cars with decent street tires on wider rims with some basic mods were in the very low 13's/ high 12's.
So regardless of the HP numbers, I would say it is a drivers race. Especially if he is stock and you have at least a tune and intake.
Even the new vettes, while faster than us for sure, arent running the 1/2 mile times that chevy proclaims. A tuning shop did an article in one of the vette magazines about it. They ended up testing two vettes with a few good drivers on a few different days with different weather. They still couldent hit chevys magic 1/4 times stock no matter what they did. They were a good 4 tenths away I believe.
If you do the math, IMO our mustangs have closer to 320-325hp stock and close to 370 at the crank with a tune and intake.
ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..
doodad,
Don't take this the wrong way ok, you will but don't. Ignorance is rampant among our ranks, people claim to know what they are talking about but then prove they don't by stating what you have stated. Not only are you wrong about the '05 and newer Mustang GT's but you're dead wrong on the Trans Am's.
One thing you're right about, the LS1/2 is a great engine but to think a new GTO will kill this crop of Mustang's is blatent ignorance, I guess I won by sheer dumb luck against well driven LS1 GTO's, heck if they are so fast driver shouldn't matter, I should have gotten killed by any one of them, and this was when my car was BONE STOCK. And also against the 6.0 GTO, I guess all of the ones I've seen at the track were driven by mental midgets..... good grief lets get real but stop making out the GTO/Camaro/TA with the LS1 as God of the auto world, they aren't, not even close.
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Depends on the driver Homeboy!Those GTOs are very beatable if you are a good driver!How do I know?BEEN THERE,DONE THAT.....Ive seen on GTO forums where owners of the new 06 model were disappointed because they could'nt reproduce the 1/4 times that the factory said it would do!So again we get back to the fact of,"It's a drivers race!"
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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..
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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..
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Depends on the driver Homeboy!Those GTOs are very beatable if you are a good driver!How do I know?BEEN THERE,DONE THAT.....Ive seen on GTO forums where owners of the new 06 model were disappointed because they could'nt reproduce the 1/4 times that the factory said it would do!So again we get back to the fact of,"It's a drivers race!"
Well said, Norse dude, Viking's rule!
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I've seen a new gto cruising in my neighborhood lately and he's revved his engine on three different occasions while driving past my car. Sadly, the driver looks to be approximately 18, so unless he (or his parents) are willing to sign some paperwork regarding liablity I won't be accepting his 'offer'. But yeah, I was sorely disappointed with the new goat. So GM dropped the cavalier, but then brings it back with a shoe-horned V8, 4 doors and a body kit and slap a GTO emblem on it? Sad. But then they compound the debacle by refitting a cadillac STS with modified front, rear ends and C pillars and sully the legend by slapping a Camaro emblem on it. And the irony? I used to be a BowTie guy.
Depends on the driver Homeboy!Those GTOs are very beatable if you are a good driver!How do I know?BEEN THERE,DONE THAT.....Ive seen on GTO forums where owners of the new 06 model were disappointed because they could'nt reproduce the 1/4 times that the factory said it would do!So again we get back to the fact of,"It's a drivers race!"
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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..
I agree whole heartedly. After driving a 6 speed and automatic GTO, they don't have that much of a chance with the Mustang if the Mustang has an excellent driver. So, where did that extra 100 hp and 80 cubes go?
LOL!Yeah Man!I don't get how people think they know everything about S197s & GTOs just because they read a couple of articles from a rag!?!Get your arse out on the streets/Track & race!Thats how you define a car!IMO of course!
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Just went to the GTO forums and saw that the normal 1/4 mile times were 14.00. When they didn't have a good driver the 1/4 mile times were 14.9-15.3. Guys, thats strait from the GTO forums from the people who love em....... Now obviously there were some, just like here, who highly modified them and ran 11's to mid 10's, but stock to stock..... MUSTANG!!
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) I didn't have many problems beating the LS1 engine when I had my 93 5.0. I know that the Mustang when driven and launched right, will at least "run" if not barely beat the GTO. 
