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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 2:50:46 PM
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i hear ya dude. . . i've smoked plenty of LS1's that were stock. . . and to be honest, from a dig, it was terrible, like 5 cars or more. . .
hell i've even outrun 03 Cobras, and 06 Saleen SC's at the track just from driving. . . and i know their car is faster. . .
i think our car is just engineered to be a drag car, from the solid rear, perfect weight shift, and the sinking rear suspension, just hard to beat unless you have a LOT more power. . .
just my .02
Yeah, I was surprised when I saw the truth at the track. I was expecting them to leave us fairly easy. My friend's 05 had the pleasure of beating an SS by about a car length at the track. I didn't get that chance , but I went 4-1 against him. Yep, this car is set up to be a drag monster if you want it to be. The LS1's have had plenty of years to experiment and get the impressive times and such. The new stangs are just getting started. I'm going to try and pay this thing off quickly so I can get the new Boss 302(5.0) that's coming out to compete with the Camaro. It's expected to have around 390 horspower at least.
you need to elaborate on this new BOSS 302, i have heard nothing. . . i want to know though. . .
i may consider a trade in. . . LOL
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:10:27 PM
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I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?
Equal drivers or magazine racing, I'm assuming no. On the street/track in the real world where it counts, sure it can be done often and already has. The day where f-bodys can chuckle at GT's is over. I'm sure the 05/06 predecessors where frustrated with the difference in power and what not, but that gap is seriously smaller. Anyone who knows racing knows that a car with up to 50 or so more horsepower can be beaten because racing side by side is different from car and driver, etc...
Ok then you just admitted that the GTO and SRT8 are faster cars. You can talk about drivers all day and the fact of the mater is there are some really ****ty Mustang drivers too. In the real world and street racing especially you usually have a bunch of young punks driving Stangs, SRT8's, GTO Vettes what ever there daddy could afford and non of them no how to drive. There are some odler "veteran" guys the prey on the punks and can beat some nice cars in a lesser car but to me hanging out with a bunch of highshcoolers is a little fruity.
The track is a different story though. At the track you typically have much more experienced drivers so I'd say the stang would still be in big trouble.
****ty vs ****ty driver GTO wins (in this case an auto stang would stand a much better chance.)
veteran vs veteran GTO wins
****ty driver vs Veteran, who knows but in that case just about any car could beat just about any other car. This is what you've been saying since the begining and I don't dispute it at all but it means absolutely nothing.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:13:39 PM
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I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?
Equal drivers or magazine racing, I'm assuming no. On the street/track in the real world where it counts, sure it can be done often and already has. The day where f-bodys can chuckle at GT's is over. I'm sure the 05/06 predecessors where frustrated with the difference in power and what not, but that gap is seriously smaller. Anyone who knows racing knows that a car with up to 50 or so more horsepower can be beaten because racing side by side is different from car and driver, etc...
Ok then you just admitted that the GTO and SRT8 are faster cars. You can talk about drivers all day and the fact of the mater is there are some really ****ty Mustang drivers too. In the real world and street racing especially you usually have a bunch of young punks driving Stangs, SRT8's, GTO Vettes what ever there daddy could afford and non of them no how to drive. There are some odler "veteran" guys the prey on the punks and can beat some nice cars in a lesser car but to me hanging out with a bunch of highshcoolers is a little fruity.
The track is a different story though. At the track you typically have much more experienced drivers so I'd say the stang would still be in big trouble.
****ty vs ****ty driver GTO wins (in this case an auto stang would stand a much better chance.)
veteran vs veteran GTO wins
****ty driver vs Veteran, who knows but in that case just about any car could beat just about any other car. This is what you've been saying since the begining and I don't dispute it at all but it means absolutely nothing.
At the track, I outran plenty of GTO's/Mach 1's and Ls1's. By your philosophy, my theory still stands. We can run with the best of em.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:23:32 PM
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I think people need to understand that even an Enzo can be driven to a 15 second 1/4 mile with an orangutan at the wheel. Does that mean that an Enzo is fair game for any of our cars? Uhhh no. No it is not.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:26:51 PM
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My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:41:38 PM
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Until we can see what you run, there is no way of knowing. But consider a LS1 with only a couple bolt-ons. Lid, filter, and cut-out traps in the neighborhood of 107-110. You may get a 107 trap, but i really doubt you are going to pull anything higher. Which would just about put you even with an LS1 with only a couple basic bolt-ons. Its hard to find a completely stock LS1 which is what you would need to race in order for you to be so confident that they are scared of your GT.
It can all come down to setup as well. I am still beating my roommates 98 SS from a roll or a dig, and i still dont even have my 2nd gear fixed yet. Shifting from 1st to 3rd. But he is lowered and has to hard of suspension to get good traction. Anyway keep on thinking that there afraid of your car, but i can guarantee you that they arent. The guy in the SS in your other story that raced the STI probably thought the STI had mroe to offer him in the way of competition. I would think the same thing if i saw a new mustang GT.
i had a 110+ trap, then i modded more, and got a 108trap  fu(king A
edit: im about 5-0 with mach 1's, about 12-4 with ls1 cars (two were highly modded vettes that raped me, but nitrous isn fair), and 4-0 with ls2 cars (all gto). track experience polls that regardless of circumstances and drivers, there is a trend developing there that suggests the new stangs can hang pretty well with lsx cars and their competition
edit edit: i never ran stock though, and i doubt i could do better than about a .500 batting average with those cars in that situation. however, most of them were modded to some degree as well, but i probly had more done on average. stock for stock, any ls1 car (save for the slow ass ls1 gto  ) will walk a stock stang. however, the game gets interesting considering how well these cars accept mods and how well they put down their power.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:43:15 PM
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My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.
You should probably come talk to me when you have a 12.98 timeslip for your "stock" Mustang. You clearly don't have a clue. There is a TON of room for error with a automatic 400 hp 400 tq IRS rear wheel drive car.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:47:19 PM
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First off My disclaimer was............."My Expireance with the GTO at the track"I never said it was law.And I'm not going to return to stock to see what my car will run.But if your claiming to run 12.9 stock I Call B.S.Second if you want to compare time slips now I have no problem.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:48:09 PM
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My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.
You didn't tell us your times.........
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:49:51 PM
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GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.
That makes a quick launch tougher.
Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.
Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.
F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.
Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's
400 HP GTO's only......................
I would'nt say thats entirely accurate.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:51:38 PM
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First off My disclaimer was............."My Expireance with the GTO at the track"I never said it was law.And I'm not going to return to stock to see what my car will run.But if your claiming to run 12.9 stock I Call B.S.Second if you want to compare time slips now I have no problem.
So the one "kid" at the track is what you're basing your opinion off of? Here we go with the BS on the 12.9 again. There were people on this forum there that day. There are timeslips posted. Look for them. In this thread, I posted the times from the GTO board. Stock and light bolt ons.
And you want to compare timeslips? Sure. Oh, wait...Are you only counting my daily beater GTO, or do you want to compare with my Fox?
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:52:51 PM
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GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.
That makes a quick launch tougher.
Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.
Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.
F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.
Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's
400 HP GTO's only......................
I would'nt say thats entirely accurate.
"the new vettes are slow"
this a a blunt statement that i can back up with my track experience. though i've never seen one run, the only one i would have (you) chickened out and went frolicking in the vineyards instead. therefore, you were scared and the new vettes are slot IN MY TRACK EXPERIENCE.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:53:06 PM
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Here is a link on the GTO 0-60 4.6 1/4 13.5 http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacgtols2.html
If your knocking of a half a second off of this you should be a proffesional racer like the people who get these times. http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacgtols2.html
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:53:36 PM
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You guys have just so far ran up against stockers, which i think is very rare.
The two guys I work with both have LS1 Camaro's (a 98 and a 00) and they are both cammed. And the 00 is the one I ran Sunday night. I can't say how much else they have done since both didn't even admit that they were not stock until I put them on the spot. And even then, they'd only admit to having "mild bolt-ons". But for sure they both have more aggressive cams(not sure HOW aggressive.....but they are not running stock cams for sure) and some kind of exhaust work. Another guy that's friends with them let me in on a tip that they both dyno'd around 375rwhp......since both have identical setups, or close to it.
I was supposed to race both Sunday, but the guy with the 98 said his car is laid up for a complete exhaust workup............but to be honest, I have a feeling he got wind of my blower and is working on a nitrous setup instead. Oh well. The guy with the 00 is the less cocky of the two and agreed to go balls out. I got him 3 for 3............2 dig races and 1 30mph roll race.
Now, this was the FIRST LS1 I have ever raced in my 05. The only other F-body I ever ran was an LT-1 TA with a turbo setup when I was stock.............the results were as expected. I'm not one to be cocky and talk s**t, I prefer to speak softly and carry a big stick. But the fact of the matter is that almost all LS1 guys I've talked to don't think of the new GT's as a challenge......modified or not. So I guess you can expect some of these 05/06 GT guys to get a little cocky when they manage to shank an LS1 on the street or the strip.
Now, we can all agree that there are alot of guys claiming kills on cars that are (all things being equal) faster than theirs. But since cars still lack the ability to drive themselves, it is ultimately a test of a driver's ability to use his car's capabilites to their fullest that determines how well he fairs in a race. A guy that my friend knows has taken his 06 GT to the track a bunch of times and hasn't run faster than 14.9 yet . Doesn't mean his car his slow (which is the point some of you are trying to make), but I wouldn't count on him being able to beat very much in the way of respectable V8 cars when he's on the road.......300hp or no. Matter of fact, I"d be willing to bet that a few "other" domestic performers have burned his butt on the road in the recent past......which goes all the more towards the stigma that the S197 GT's are dog-slow. Oh well, whatcha gonna do?
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:54:59 PM
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Wait a second Stock is Stock and bolt on's are not STOCK.I'm sure your car is capable with some bolt on's 12.9.But you led me to believe you were STOCK.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:55:48 PM
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Wait a second Stock is Stock and bolt on's are not STOCK.I'm sure your car is capable with some bolt on's 12.9.But you led me to believe you were STOCK.
I said nothing about bolt ons. I said mine was stock. Sorry. I took the filter out. STOCK!
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 3:58:28 PM
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Since you apparently didn't read this thread.
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Top NA LS2 ET's - Stock:
1) NYTIGER 12.920 @ 109.40 MPH
2) jumbojet 12.974 @ 108.08 MPH
3) Boilermaker GTO 12.9299 @ 106.89
4) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
5) KYGTO 13.035 @ 108.96 MPH
6) Judgethis05 13.036 @ 108.72
7) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
8) SloNlo 13.086 @ 108.75 MPH
9) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
10) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH
11) Lord Vador 13.132 @ 108.85 MPH
12) Joey D 13.236 @ 104.79 MPH
13) steelerguy 13.378 @ 106.54 MPH
Timeslips and video are required to make the list.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO - 7/28/2006 4:04:18 PM
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heys guys. i can understand people talking negative about the GTO, but when i began to see Mustang guys (undefeated) talk about F-bodies, i say get a clue!!. A bolt on F-Body is very capable of running circles around the 05-06 GT with bolt ons. I continue to see guys comparing their minor bolt on Gts to stock GTOs. Listen.... My GTO went 12.7 at 109 with drag radios!! this was consistantly in 60 degree weather. Just yesturday, while i was on I-95, I ran into a black 05 GT. We were traveling about 60mph. He jumped on his car, so i down shifted to 3rd and put over 4 cars on him. I waited from him to come up to my door and put more cars on him. When we exited, he laughed and said, "You have 400 HP and this is stock" I told him no problem, but the guys in the Mustang forums think the GTOs are slow. He told no way. We had this converstion before, i even went to the GTO forums and those guys said they are tired of arguing with guys, who are clueless. They will not post over hear, because they want you guys to continue to think the car is slow. I cannot post my video, because i don't have the USB cable, but I do have a very nice 05-06 GT, running 13.2 at 104. at atco on film. I remeber him saying he had every bolt on possible, with gears and he had Drs. There is also a yellow Mach 1 with black staggard rims, with exhaust on my film. He and i continued to run 13.0s until the sun set and i made three consecutive 12.7s @109. Keep in mind if we put bolt ons on our cars, the race and the arguments are over, between the GT and GTO.
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