Ok so the new GTO's are faster...so what? I can spend money modding to even out the price difference right? There are a few newer gto's running around here and I would race them no doubt, but would I win? Its possible. I know the drivers are definately not good enough to make the 13.3 a reality, hell I dont even know if they could make 13.6 a reality (I guess it is a little unfair to the GTO's that the drivers, IN THIS CASE, aren't very good).
The reason for GTO's not being able to break into the 12s, and into the 13s is the driver. My buddy has a BONE STOCK 05 GTO, and he went 12.9 with a 1.9 60'. This is on the stock street tires that came with the car. The LS2 is total garbage before it is broken in. Go searcing around on a GTO forum and find a dyno comparsion of two BONE STOCK GTO's, one with 2000 miles and one with 8000 miles, there is like a 30 hp difference. The LS2 generally puts down about 340-350 hp to the rear wheels in a 4000 lb car. Not too impressive, but you find me one BONE STOCK S197 mustang thatll break into the 12s, you wont. Thats terminator territory right there.
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Thats not the point. I happen to have a 12.98 slip for the car myself. Did it take awhile? Of course. But you guys said they were 14 second cars. I realize not all of you said that. I was just giving you info. Someone questioned, if 12's can happen. The answer is yes.
And really, I've had so many arguments about this car, I don't care to do it again.
So the GTO can do 12's. That's impressive
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I just wanna say this is one of the dumbest ones i ve seen in a while. Arguments of well i saw one run a 15, or i beat one one time, and using that as what they run. Come on guys, we arent ricers here. Just because one sucked doesnt mean thats what they do. The GTO is a faster car, and for that matter so are any of the LS1's. Now i know, "i beat LS1's no problem", or "I saw an LS1 run a 14.4" or whatever crap stories we are going to hear. The plain and simple fact is that the LS1's, GTO's, LS2's, all of the LSx vehicles make more power and are faster cars stock vs stock. I have said it a million times, but i think im typing to the blind. All things being equal any LS vehicle will beat any stang, with the exception of the 03/04 Cobra, GT500, and Cobra R. So go ahead and begin the flaming or hating, but it is true.
I also wanted to ask you undefeated what do you have against F-bodies. Your last few thread and posts have been pretty ant-F-body. If i where you i wouldnt go around thinking they are hiding from you. While your car does look and sounds like it can put up some good times. I highly doubt any F-body guys are at all intimidated or worried about racing your GT.
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I just wanna say this is one of the dumbest ones i ve seen in a while. Arguments of well i saw one run a 15, or i beat one one time, and using that as what they run. Come on guys, we arent ricers here. Just because one sucked doesnt mean thats what they do. The GTO is a faster car, and for that matter so are any of the LS1's. Now i know, "i beat LS1's no problem", or "I saw an LS1 run a 14.4" or whatever crap stories we are going to hear. The plain and simple fact is that the LS1's, GTO's, LS2's, all of the LSx vehicles make more power and are faster cars stock vs stock. I have said it a million times, but i think im typing to the blind. All things being equal any LS vehicle will beat any stang, with the exception of the 03/04 Cobra, GT500, and Cobra R. So go ahead and begin the flaming or hating, but it is true.
I also wanted to ask you undefeated what do you have against F-bodies. Your last few thread and posts have been pretty ant-F-body. If i where you i wouldnt go around thinking they are hiding from you. While your car does look and sounds like it can put up some good times. I highly doubt any F-body guys are at all intimidated or worried about racing your GT.
I lovvvve Fbodys, I wanted a Camaro SS or Ws6, but the one's that drive them make it seem like the 3v's are no threat at all. They are wayyy to sure of this. If I had never experience driving an LS1 myself, maybe I'd believe the. They must be humbled and I'll be one that will do it. Simply because you doubt they are intimidated doesn't change the fact that they wimped out. The story still stands. My "gt" as you call it climbed up the arse of a Camaro SS while he was racing another car and because of this, he didn't want to race when I lined up against him and the STI. Maybe they thought I had a supercharger or something, I dunno. My GT also out ran an 05 GTO by 4 tenths of a second during my first experience at the track. The way the Lsx's are spoken of, this is never supposed to happen. If you drive a 2005+ C6, Porshe 911 turbo, Porshe Carrera GT, or Bugatii Veyron, THEN you can take my GT lightly. If you drive a LS1, LS2, Mach 1 or a Srt8, you cannot take my GT lightly. My eyes have repeatedly seen the truth. Sorry if anyone doesn't like it. I'd settle it on the street with vids if I could, but all we can do is type until I do get vids.
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Until we can see what you run, there is no way of knowing. But consider a LS1 with only a couple bolt-ons. Lid, filter, and cut-out traps in the neighborhood of 107-110. You may get a 107 trap, but i really doubt you are going to pull anything higher. Which would just about put you even with an LS1 with only a couple basic bolt-ons. Its hard to find a completely stock LS1 which is what you would need to race in order for you to be so confident that they are scared of your GT.
It can all come down to setup as well. I am still beating my roommates 98 SS from a roll or a dig, and i still dont even have my 2nd gear fixed yet. Shifting from 1st to 3rd. But he is lowered and has to hard of suspension to get good traction. Anyway keep on thinking that there afraid of your car, but i can guarantee you that they arent. The guy in the SS in your other story that raced the STI probably thought the STI had mroe to offer him in the way of competition. I would think the same thing if i saw a new mustang GT.
I just wanna say this is one of the dumbest ones i ve seen in a while. Arguments of well i saw one run a 15, or i beat one one time, and using that as what they run. Come on guys, we arent ricers here. Just because one sucked doesnt mean thats what they do. The GTO is a faster car, and for that matter so are any of the LS1's. Now i know, "i beat LS1's no problem", or "I saw an LS1 run a 14.4" or whatever crap stories we are going to hear. The plain and simple fact is that the LS1's, GTO's, LS2's, all of the LSx vehicles make more power and are faster cars stock vs stock. I have said it a million times, but i think im typing to the blind. All things being equal any LS vehicle will beat any stang, with the exception of the 03/04 Cobra, GT500, and Cobra R. So go ahead and begin the flaming or hating, but it is true.
I also wanted to ask you undefeated what do you have against F-bodies. Your last few thread and posts have been pretty ant-F-body. If i where you i wouldnt go around thinking they are hiding from you. While your car does look and sounds like it can put up some good times. I highly doubt any F-body guys are at all intimidated or worried about racing your GT.
I lovvvve Fbodys, I wanted a Camaro SS or Ws6, but the one's that drive them make it seem like the 3v's are no threat at all. They are wayyy to sure of this. If I had never experience driving an LS1 myself, maybe I'd believe the. They must be humbled and I'll be one that will do it. Simply because you doubt they are intimidated doesn't change the fact that they wimped out. The story still stands. My "gt" as you call it climbed up the arse of a Camaro SS while he was racing another car and because of this, he didn't want to race when I lined up against him and the STI. Maybe they thought I had a supercharger or something, I dunno. My GT also out ran an 05 GTO by 4 tenths of a second during my first experience at the track. The way the Lsx's are spoken of, this is never supposed to happen. If you drive a 2005+ C6, Porshe 911 turbo, Porshe Carrera GT, or Bugatii Veyron, THEN you can take my GT lightly. If you drive a LS1, LS2, Mach 1 or a Srt8, you cannot take my GT lightly. My eyes have repeatedly seen the truth. Sorry if anyone doesn't like it. I'd settle it on the street with vids if I could, but all we can do is type until I do get vids.
i hear ya dude. . . i've smoked plenty of LS1's that were stock. . . and to be honest, from a dig, it was terrible, like 5 cars or more. . .
hell i've even outrun 03 Cobras, and 06 Saleen SC's at the track just from driving. . . and i know their car is faster. . .
i think our car is just engineered to be a drag car, from the solid rear, perfect weight shift, and the sinking rear suspension, just hard to beat unless you have a LOT more power. . .
Hell, I actually prefer the competition NOT to be afraid of my car. I WANT them to take it lightly. I WANT them to think I'm an easy win. The two LS1 guys that have been badgering me at work for the last few months certainly didn't think much of my car. And let's just say that one of them has stopped running his mouth since last Sunday nite.
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The 3V GT is definitely competition for the LS1. I'm not scared, though. If an 05-06 wants a piece and the conditions are right, its on. I am 1-0 against them so far.
I would hope that you guys are running down F-bodies that are stock. You should be making a bit more power than they are with the mods you have. And THISBLOOD you should be making a lot more power if i remember correctly on what your setup is. I am by no means saying that the 05/06 GT's are slow and cant beat an LS1. I am just saying that i have been noticing a lot of cockiness lately about the issue and that the GT guys seem to think that the LS1 guys would be hesitant to race them. I asure you they are not.
The real problem is that the LS1 is setup very well and can put down some awesome times and numbers. Where the trouble is, is that there are a lot of guys out there running them with very little expirience or that just cant drive very well. Now I know that goes for all cars as well. But the F-bodies need a good driver to really shine, sadly i was not up to the task the first few times i went to the track. The F-bodies can be 12 second cars bone stock, no mustang GT can say that, F-bodies can hit over 106mph bone stock, again no mustang GT can say that. You guys have just so far ran up against stockers, which i think is very rare.
My one expirience with racing a 06 Black GT was an easy kill. I think it was stock though and an auto, on the freeway. But it was such an easy win i didnt even go WOT.
The important thing here is that i need to get my car back up so i can race Sleeper05 and put the beat down on him, lol. And I am going to say it again, mod to mod, stock to stock, all things equal the F-bodies will outperform the 05/06 GTs everytime. To think any differently is just foolish. And to think (now im gonna hear it) they came out 8 years ago. And still have better performance, hahaha.
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You guys have just so far ran up against stockers, which i think is very rare.
This guy I ran upon was definately not stock. You got to understand, I have a friend at work with an SS that has 406RWHP. I race him every chance I get. That thing is insane. HE even says when I get my cams, I'll be right there with him. In fact, after he drove my car, he got an 06 Stang. That will tell you what the new stangs are about. My other co-worker's 04 Cobra has 414 RWHP and we went from a 20mph roll yesterday in second and he had me by 3 cars by the time we was at 100. No LS1 is going to do that with minor mod's, I'm sorry.
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Its hard to find a completely stock LS1 which is what you would need to race in order for you to be so confident that they are scared of your GT.
The guy in the SS in your other story that raced the STI probably thought the STI had mroe to offer him in the way of competition. I would think the same thing if i saw a new mustang GT.
Which is what made crawling up his arse very amusing. He wasn't so sure about that lil ole GT behind him, I bet. This guy was scared, and so was the other one. Now I know as much as anyone how cocky the f-body drivers are, that's why I'm going to spank them when I get the chance to race one with similar mods. Sure, I'll get spanked some too, but I bet you it won't be a cake walk. I agree with you on one thing I fear STI's and EVO's more so than I do f-bodys. All wheel drive launches are a killer. F body's are in my league with the same traction issues, etc...
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I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?
I certainly would hope not. All else being equal (stock for stock, mod for mod, auto vs auto), my car could usually take out a 3V GT and an 05/06 GTO would take me out.
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I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?
Equal drivers or magazine racing, I'm assuming no. On the street/track in the real world where it counts, sure it can be done often and already has. The day where f-bodys can chuckle at GT's is over. I'm sure the 05/06 predecessors where frustrated with the difference in power and what not, but that gap is seriously smaller. Anyone who knows racing knows that a car with up to 50 or so more horsepower can be beaten because racing side by side is different from car and driver, etc...
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i hear ya dude. . . i've smoked plenty of LS1's that were stock. . . and to be honest, from a dig, it was terrible, like 5 cars or more. . .
hell i've even outrun 03 Cobras, and 06 Saleen SC's at the track just from driving. . . and i know their car is faster. . .
i think our car is just engineered to be a drag car, from the solid rear, perfect weight shift, and the sinking rear suspension, just hard to beat unless you have a LOT more power. . .
just my .02
Yeah, I was surprised when I saw the truth at the track. I was expecting them to leave us fairly easy. My friend's 05 had the pleasure of beating an SS by about a car length at the track. I didn't get that chance, but I went 4-1 against him. Yep, this car is set up to be a drag monster if you want it to be. The LS1's have had plenty of years to experiment and get the impressive times and such. The new stangs are just getting started. I'm going to try and pay this thing off quickly so I can get the new Boss 302(5.0) that's coming out to compete with the Camaro. It's expected to have around 390 horspower at least.
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I still will and do chuckle at any mustang i see. One did give me a good surprise though. But he was running a S/C and putting down a good amount more than i was. Let me know how it goes undefeated when you run into a F-body with equal mods, including gears. That will be a funny one. STI's and EVO's are the least of my worries. I dont worry about either of them at all. I know there are those that could beat me, and it doesnt take them a whole hell of a lot to reach that point, but i still dont worry about it.
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. They must be humbled and I'll be one that will do it. Simply because you doubt they are intimidated doesn't change the fact that they wimped out. The story still stands. My "gt" as you call it climbed up the arse of a Camaro SS while he was racing another car and because of this, he didn't want to race when I lined up against him and the STI. Maybe they thought I had a supercharger or something, I dunno. My GT also out ran an 05 GTO by 4 tenths of a second during my first experience at the track. The way the Lsx's are spoken of, this is never supposed to happen. If you drive a 2005+ C6, Porshe 911 turbo, Porshe Carrera GT, or Bugatii Veyron, THEN you can take my GT lightly. If you drive a LS1, LS2, Mach 1 or a Srt8, you cannot take my GT lightly. My eyes have repeatedly seen the truth. Sorry if anyone doesn't like it. I'd settle it on the street with vids if I could, but all we can do is type until I do get vids.
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, and so was the other one. Now I know as much as anyone how cocky the f-body drivers are, that's why I'm going to spank them when I get the chance to race one with similar mods. Sure, I'll get spanked some too, but I bet you it won't be a cake walk. I agree with you on one thing I fear STI's and EVO's more so than I do f-bodys. All wheel drive launches are a killer. F body's are in my league with the same traction issues, etc...
, but I went 4-1 against him. Yep, this car is set up to be a drag monster if you want it to be. The LS1's have had plenty of years to experiment and get the impressive times and such. The new stangs are just getting started. I'm going to try and pay this thing off quickly so I can get the new Boss 302(5.0)
that's coming out to compete with the Camaro. It's expected to have around 390 horspower at least.
