No, I didn't have the pleasure of racing one....yet, but I wanted to post what the salesman said about them.
I wanted to check out the GTO, just because there are a couple of them running around here and the people who own them seem to be really stuck-up, so I wanted to see what all the fuss is about.

I drove the GTO automatic and standard and there was a world of difference between the two. I really didn't care for the GTO at all simply because of the BLAND style that they have, 400 HP, yea, but it didn't feel as fast as the Mustang did and for that fact it wasn't as responsive as the Mustang is. I was surprised to find out that the GTO has a 3:46 gear ratio (close to the Mustangs gear ratio), but didn't have the pick up like the Mustang does. You can feel the power, but it feels like something is holding it back. 400 Hp sould be a strong 12 second car, don't you agree? Especially with the ring gear that it has.

I asked what the 1/4 mile times were and the salesman said 13.0 and then he said "real world" 13.3-13.5. I asked him if he thought that it could take the Mustang GT? He said "It'll walk all over that....Mustang...." I said "But doesn't the Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4 mile?" I said that's only about you know... .2 tenths of a second difference. His rebutal was "have you ever seen a new Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4... I haven't" I said I have not personally seen it at a track, but I have seen timeslips that prove it.

The real kicker was, he showed me a sales cheat sheet of the comparison of the GTO and Mustang GT, and I quote, "If the prospect is not looking for a quater mile car, then the GTO is for them" unquote. I told him, he shouldn't really show people that, it might kill a sale.

The outcome, I know IMHO that the Mustang GT is the true winner. It feels better, it's more comfortable, it's lighter, and with 80 cubic inches less and 100 hp difference, the Mustang GT does a better job and it is a lot more fun to drive. I feel better now.

ORIGINAL: 8URWS6

No, I didn't have the pleasure of racing one....yet, but I wanted to post what the salesman said about them.
I wanted to check out the GTO, just because there are a couple of them running around here and the people who own them seem to be really stuck-up, so I wanted to see what all the fuss is about.

I drove the GTO automatic and standard and there was a world of difference between the two. I really didn't care for the GTO at all simply because of the BLAND style that they have, 400 HP, yea, but it didn't feel as fast as the Mustang did and for that fact it wasn't as responsive as the Mustang is. I was surprised to find out that the GTO has a 3:46 gear ratio (close to the Mustangs gear ratio), but didn't have the pick up like the Mustang does. You can feel the power, but it feels like something is holding it back. 400 Hp sould be a strong 12 second car, don't you agree? Especially with the ring gear that it has.

I asked what the 1/4 mile times were and the salesman said 13.0 and then he said "real world" 13.3-13.5. I asked him if he thought that it could take the Mustang GT? He said "It'll walk all over that....Mustang...." I said "But doesn't the Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4 mile?" I said that's only about you know... .2 tenths of a second difference. His rebutal was "have you ever seen a new Mustang run 13.5 in the 1/4... I haven't" I said I have not personally seen it at a track, but I have seen timeslips that prove it.

The real kicker was, he showed me a sales cheat sheet of the comparison of the GTO and Mustang GT, and I quote, "If the prospect is not looking for a quater mile car, then the GTO is for them" unquote. I told him, he shouldn't really show people that, it might kill a sale.

The outcome, I know IMHO that the Mustang GT is the true winner. It feels better, it's more comfortable, it's lighter, and with 80 cubic inches less and 100 hp difference, the Mustang GT does a better job and it is a lot more fun to drive. I feel better now.


He's a salesguy who is paid to lie to you..... lets see, yet another Pontiac going to pasture.... next month the same guy will be selling Mustang's...

GTO must be one of the ugliest things I have seen. I was wondering how we would run against them, but I never see one around to race. [sm=lame.gif]

ORIGINAL: mikefan20

GTO must be one of the ugliest things I have seen. I was wondering how we would run against them, but I never see one around to race. [sm=lame.gif]


They usually aren't much of a problem stock, the saleguy touted 13.0 but thinks 13.5, I have yet to see one go either stock. Modified of course, but stock, nope... so, it's ugly and not as fast as 400hp would make you think, plus it weighs something around 4,000 without the driver....ugh...

Wish I would have had a chance to race my friend back home while he had his..... Haven't got to talk to him to find out why he got rid of it.... there are just so many reasons I can think of.

I just saw a GTO commercial & it said they have 300HP, whats up?

ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..

ORIGINAL: FrostByte

I just saw a GTO commercial & it said they have 300HP, whats up?


you mush have heard wrong or something l believe.. 2005+ GTOs are 400hp. 400 torque. 204 GTOs are like 300ish horses like trans ams..

i believe maybe 2004 had 350? i might be wrong...anyways my younger brothers friend is supposedly getting a 2006 gto sometime soon (hopefully before i get the roush supercharger so i can race him stock) and i will let you know how it goes haha.

2004 GTO - 350 HP 2005-2006 GTO 400 HP 400 FPT 2004-2006 GTO- Stupid looking.

ORIGINAL: doodad

ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..


True, the LS1 and LS2 engines are good engines as far as making Hp. I really don't think that they should be worshiped though.
I know that a lot of people may not believe me and that's fine, (but I did get to prove to someone once:D) I didn't have many problems beating the LS1 engine when I had my 93 5.0. I know that the Mustang when driven and launched right, will at least "run" if not barely beat the GTO.

Hard figures are hard to argue with and the 1/4 mile figures that different magazines have gotten from the GTO show that it's not that much of a contender to the Mustang. Granted if they had a 1/2 mile track or a 1 mile run, I think that the LS1 would take the Mustang hands down, but we have 1/4 mile tracks and stop lights to stop lights and that's were the Mustang shines.[sm=happy046.gif]

IMO, lately GM cars performance numbers have been exagerated and fords have been underrated. I am a member of the GTOAA due to having a 67 GTO in the family. I wanted new goat bad when I heard the specs, until I saw what it looked like that is. Now I believe firmly that Lutz should be hung for putting it to market, and I encourage all of the owners of them to debadge them as soon as possible.

But anyway, looks aside, at the GTOAA meets, the new 400hp goats have trouble running mid thirteens. Most get up there and click off 13.7's 13.6's. Maybe a 13.4 once in a while. A bad launch will show up as a 14.

Guys with very dialed in cars with decent street tires on wider rims with some basic mods were in the very low 13's/ high 12's.

So regardless of the HP numbers, I would say it is a drivers race. Especially if he is stock and you have at least a tune and intake.

Even the new vettes, while faster than us for sure, arent running the 1/2 mile times that chevy proclaims. A tuning shop did an article in one of the vette magazines about it. They ended up testing two vettes with a few good drivers on a few different days with different weather. They still couldent hit chevys magic 1/4 times stock no matter what they did. They were a good 4 tenths away I believe.


If you do the math, IMO our mustangs have closer to 320-325hp stock and close to 370 at the crank with a tune and intake.

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2004 GTO - 350 HP 2005-2006 GTO 400 HP 400 FPT 2004-2006 GTO- Stupid looking.



+1. NICE.

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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..


doodad,

Don't take this the wrong way ok, you will but don't. Ignorance is rampant among our ranks, people claim to know what they are talking about but then prove they don't by stating what you have stated. Not only are you wrong about the '05 and newer Mustang GT's but you're dead wrong on the Trans Am's.

One thing you're right about, the LS1/2 is a great engine but to think a new GTO will kill this crop of Mustang's is blatent ignorance, I guess I won by sheer dumb luck against well driven LS1 GTO's, heck if they are so fast driver shouldn't matter, I should have gotten killed by any one of them, and this was when my car was BONE STOCK. And also against the 6.0 GTO, I guess all of the ones I've seen at the track were driven by mental midgets..... good grief lets get real but stop making out the GTO/Camaro/TA with the LS1 as God of the auto world, they aren't, not even close.

Depends on the driver Homeboy!Those GTOs are very beatable if you are a good driver!How do I know?BEEN THERE,DONE THAT.....Ive seen on GTO forums where owners of the new 06 model were disappointed because they could'nt reproduce the 1/4 times that the factory said it would do!So again we get back to the fact of,"It's a drivers race!"
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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..

ORIGINAL: doodad

ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..


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Depends on the driver Homeboy!Those GTOs are very beatable if you are a good driver!How do I know?BEEN THERE,DONE THAT.....Ive seen on GTO forums where owners of the new 06 model were disappointed because they could'nt reproduce the 1/4 times that the factory said it would do!So again we get back to the fact of,"It's a drivers race!"



Well said, Norse dude, Viking's rule! :D

I've seen a new gto cruising in my neighborhood lately and he's revved his engine on three different occasions while driving past my car.
Sadly, the driver looks to be approximately 18, so unless he (or his parents) are willing to sign some paperwork regarding liablity I won't be accepting his 'offer'.
But yeah, I was sorely disappointed with the new goat. So GM dropped the cavalier, but then brings it back with a shoe-horned V8, 4 doors and a body kit and slap a GTO emblem on it?
Sad.
But then they compound the debacle by refitting a cadillac STS with modified front, rear ends and C pillars and sully the legend by slapping a Camaro emblem on it.
And the irony? I used to be a BowTie guy.

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Depends on the driver Homeboy!Those GTOs are very beatable if you are a good driver!How do I know?BEEN THERE,DONE THAT.....Ive seen on GTO forums where owners of the new 06 model were disappointed because they could'nt reproduce the 1/4 times that the factory said it would do!So again we get back to the fact of,"It's a drivers race!"
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ok guys.. lets be honest here.. it might not feel as fast as mustang but GTOs will absolotely kill new stangs.. hey dont get me wrong.. l own a stang too.. but l know this is the truth. also a 98-02 trans am will beat our new stangs too... LS1-LS2 engines are great engines..





I agree whole heartedly. After driving a 6 speed and automatic GTO, they don't have that much of a chance with the Mustang if the Mustang has an excellent driver. So, where did that extra 100 hp and 80 cubes go?

LOL!Yeah Man!I don't get how people think they know everything about S197s & GTOs just because they read a couple of articles from a rag!?!Get your arse out on the streets/Track & race!Thats how you define a car!IMO of course!:D

Just went to the GTO forums and saw that the normal 1/4 mile times were 14.00. When they didn't have a good driver the 1/4 mile times were 14.9-15.3.
Guys, thats strait from the GTO forums from the people who love em.......[:'(]
Now obviously there were some, just like here, who highly modified them and ran 11's to mid 10's, but stock to stock..... MUSTANG!!

ORIGINAL: mikefan20

GTO must be one of the ugliest things I have seen. I was wondering how we would run against them, but I never see one around to race. [sm=lame.gif]


Unlike the dime-a-dozen new mustangs...

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Just went to the GTO forums and saw that the normal 1/4 mile times were 14.00. When they didn't have a good driver the 1/4 mile times were 14.9-15.3.
Guys, thats strait from the GTO forums from the people who love em.......[:'(]
Now obviously there were some, just like here, who highly modified them and ran 11's to mid 10's, but stock to stock..... MUSTANG!!


there are new stangs ran high 14s which they are soppsed to run mid 13s.. l have seen GTO vids l believe on streetfire that they ran flat 13 very low 13s.

I was pretty surprised when I ate a 04' GTO with 470 miles on my GT. I was shocked when I pulled on an '05, and let me tell you both drivers were pissed. I agree that with a superb driver the 05 and later models definetly have the -potential- to take a Mustang out by at least a couple car lengths. The car definetly has power, but I just dont see performance that reflects 400bhp. This could definetly be the limits of my experience talking, as Ive only run into a handful on the street and twice at the track.

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Just went to the GTO forums and saw that the normal 1/4 mile times were 14.00. When they didn't have a good driver the 1/4 mile times were 14.9-15.3.
Guys, thats strait from the GTO forums from the people who love em.......[:'(]
Now obviously there were some, just like here, who highly modified them and ran 11's to mid 10's, but stock to stock..... MUSTANG!!


there are new stangs ran high 14s which they are soppsed to run mid 13s.. l have seen GTO vids l believe on streetfire that they ran flat 13 very low 13s.


I've seen vids of most everything, even Honda's running 9's, I've seen video of so many things (car related...) yet on the street and at the track, where it counts I have yet to see GTO LS1 stockers best a very high 13.... and the infamous 6.0 GTO was maybe a few tenths quicker... but since you saw vids of new Mustang's running high 14's, that must be the norm....

Do you dislike your car or something? Can't get it out of the 14's? Good grief, I've seen video of GTO's running 15's, does that make it the norm??

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GTO must be one of the ugliest things I have seen. I was wondering how we would run against them, but I never see one around to race. [sm=lame.gif]


Unlike the dime-a-dozen new mustangs...


Yeah, with the GTO you are in an exclusive club.

Very few people will pay that amount of money for a car that should be shaved and driven backwards.

Well I just raced one the other day, three times we went, his was stock and my 05 GT is too with the exception of my Corsa's. I'm pretty sure the HP gain if any would be negligible, but when we ran, it was an even race, both cars ran about equally. I got better launches tho because of the Auto tranny.

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ORIGINAL: 8URWS6

Just went to the GTO forums and saw that the normal 1/4 mile times were 14.00. When they didn't have a good driver the 1/4 mile times were 14.9-15.3.
Guys, thats strait from the GTO forums from the people who love em.......[:'(]
Now obviously there were some, just like here, who highly modified them and ran 11's to mid 10's, but stock to stock..... MUSTANG!!


there are new stangs ran high 14s which they are soppsed to run mid 13s.. l have seen GTO vids l believe on streetfire that they ran flat 13 very low 13s.


I've seen vids of most everything, even Honda's running 9's, I've seen video of so many things (car related...) yet on the street and at the track, where it counts I have yet to see GTO LS1 stockers best a very high 13.... and the infamous 6.0 GTO was maybe a few tenths quicker... but since you saw vids of new Mustang's running high 14's, that must be the norm....

Do you dislike your car or something? Can't get it out of the 14's? Good grief, I've seen video of GTO's running 15's, does that make it the norm??


dude l like my car but that doesnt mean that l have to make my car my god and defend it all the time.. truth is truth.. new GTOs are faster than us.

if you would have line a up a decent driver l would have seen what would happen to you! those things will kill us.

you are talking about freaking hondas, show me 9 sec. stock honda! l am talking about stock GTO ran 13 flat and very low 13s at the track. have you seen 13 flat bone stock stang GT?

it is not about loving my car or something, it is the truth.. l will bet EVERYONE on this web site.. STOCK for STOCK decent drivers.. hands down GTO!

here is a link about 0-60mph times and 1/4 mile times

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

P.S. l am not trying to be jerk or something.. l love my mustang and other mustangs as much as you guys do.

GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.

That makes a quick launch tougher.

Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.

Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.

F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.

Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's

400 HP GTO's only......................

I have raced both GTO's. We can give the 04's a run for their money, but the 05's will WALK ALL OVER YOU. It was heartbraking and embarassing. The easy way to tell is the exhaust. The 04's have one tailpipe on the left, whereas the 05's have dual pipes. Spare yourself the shame if you come up behind those dual pipes. Yes they are ugly. Yes they are overpriced. Yes they are FAST.

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ORIGINAL: FrostByte

I just saw a GTO commercial & it said they have 300HP, whats up?


you mush have heard wrong or something l believe.. 2005+ GTOs are 400hp. 400 torque. 204 GTOs are like 300ish horses like trans ams..


OK. So, I am rolling along in my 06 vert and this guy darts from behind me up to my driver's side. He gives me the look and nails it. He was in a GTO (not sure what year). I played with him a while and we came to a stoplight. He starts revving and I look over at him. He gives me a big smile and I know it's on! I looked at my wife and told her to hold on. There was no traffic in front of us so I nailed it when the light turned green. I hooked up immediately and took off! We were side by side and he was mashing gears. With my tune and the guys at SCT, my auto performed flawlessly! The guy looked shocked that we stayed side by side. I was also surprised. I don't know if he was a bad driver or what, but I was impressed that we were even up to around 80 which was when I backed down!

ORIGINAL: RodeoFlyer

I have raced both GTO's. We can give the 04's a run for their money, but the 05's will WALK ALL OVER YOU. It was heartbraking and embarassing. The easy way to tell is the exhaust. The 04's have one tailpipe on the left, whereas the 05's have dual pipes. Spare yourself the shame if you come up behind those dual pipes. Yes they are ugly. Yes they are overpriced. Yes they are FAST.


now thats what l am talking about! but people here do not wanna except the truth that new GTO will murder us and they think maybe l am mustang hater.. dude l own one too and l wish we would have faster but unfortunately they are faster.. 04 GTO vs new stang GT is drivers race in my opinion..

ORIGINAL: olym4gery

GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.

That makes a quick launch tougher.

Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.

Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.

F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.

Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's

400 HP GTO's only......................


have you ever ran with any LS1 f-bodies? dude l am serious those cars are no JOKE! with a good driver people have seen those cars ran 13 flat! general timeslip is 13.1- 13.2-13.3 but when you look at the new stang GT with a good driver we ran mid 13s but general timeslips are 13.8-13.9-14ish..

a 98-00 FBODY puts down 295-300RWHP. and 01-02 FBODY puts down 310-315RWHP!! weights even a little less than new stangs.. now tell me whatelese you want me to tell you?
unless it is a ccrappy driver, f-bodies SADLY will be beat us! forget about their rear end ratio, even if you put 2-3 cars off the line, those cars will catch and pull hard! they are called highway monsters.. from a roll they are very good.. from a dig they are allright! most of them has 3.23- 3.73 gears.

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ORIGINAL: FrostByte

I just saw a GTO commercial & it said they have 300HP, whats up?


you mush have heard wrong or something l believe.. 2005+ GTOs are 400hp. 400 torque. 204 GTOs are like 300ish horses like trans ams..


OK. So, I am rolling along in my 06 vert and this guy darts from behind me up to my driver's side. He gives me the look and nails it. He was in a GTO (not sure what year). I played with him a while and we came to a stoplight. He starts revving and I look over at him. He gives me a big smile and I know it's on! I looked at my wife and told her to hold on. There was no traffic in front of us so I nailed it when the light turned green. I hooked up immediately and took off! We were side by side and he was mashing gears. With my tune and the guys at SCT, my auto performed flawlessly! The guy looked shocked that we stayed side by side. I was also surprised. I don't know if he was a bad driver or what, but I was impressed that we were even up to around 80 which was when I backed down!


that must have been 2004 GTO.. but you got your wife in it so your car was heavy too.. and alos he was stick, you were auto.. side by side.. very good..

well. . .

i've put 1400 in my stang and I'm running 12.9's . . .

how much do the new GTO's cost? ;-)

ORIGINAL: Black06GT40324

well. . .

i've put 1400 in my stang and I'm running 12.9's . . .

how much do the new GTO's cost? ;-)


about looks= they are UUGGGLLLLYYY!

about price= they are expensive!

l would put my all money on the new stang.. l got looks, l got the NAME, and l can make her as fasat with less money! :)

Now that's what im talking about,

the mustang owner in ya finally speaks. . . ha ha

ORIGINAL: Black06GT40324

Now that's what im talking about,

the mustang owner in ya finally speaks. . . ha ha


l just wanted to mention that they were faster but l dont give a damn! l am slower but l am happier.. l wouldnt wanna drive thhat car even though, l have 400hp. l am happy with 300hp:)

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Just went to the GTO forums and saw that the normal 1/4 mile times were 14.00. When they didn't have a good driver the 1/4 mile times were 14.9-15.3.
Guys, thats strait from the GTO forums from the people who love em.......[:'(]
Now obviously there were some, just like here, who highly modified them and ran 11's to mid 10's, but stock to stock..... MUSTANG!!


there are new stangs ran high 14s which they are soppsed to run mid 13s.. l have seen GTO vids l believe on streetfire that they ran flat 13 very low 13s.


I've seen vids of most everything, even Honda's running 9's, I've seen video of so many things (car related...) yet on the street and at the track, where it counts I have yet to see GTO LS1 stockers best a very high 13.... and the infamous 6.0 GTO was maybe a few tenths quicker... but since you saw vids of new Mustang's running high 14's, that must be the norm....

Do you dislike your car or something? Can't get it out of the 14's? Good grief, I've seen video of GTO's running 15's, does that make it the norm??


dude l like my car but that doesnt mean that l have to make my car my god and defend it all the time.. truth is truth.. new GTOs are faster than us.

if you would have line a up a decent driver l would have seen what would happen to you! those things will kill us.

you are talking about freaking hondas, show me 9 sec. stock honda! l am talking about stock GTO ran 13 flat and very low 13s at the track. have you seen 13 flat bone stock stang GT?

it is not about loving my car or something, it is the truth.. l will bet EVERYONE on this web site.. STOCK for STOCK decent drivers.. hands down GTO!

here is a link about 0-60mph times and 1/4 mile times

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

P.S. l am not trying to be jerk or something.. l love my mustang and other mustangs as much as you guys do.


First off,,if you seen a new gto that was STOCK run a 13.0 flat then that person is a better driver than the Pro who drove the car & told GM it was a 13.30s car!(for which the general public is having a hard time reproducing!)Secondly,,if this was a 13.0 run it WAS done with an exceptional driver AND drag radials!No way that car can run 13.0 on street radials...Most of us here(IMO) are street racers.That's where the whole story unfolds because you get into more races on the streets(if your a race fiend!:D) then you do at the track with D/Rs....If you believe that the GTO is quicker then thats your oppinion.But you will have a hard time feeding that dish to the ones here who are beating 04-06 GTOs on the street!Again,,it's just my Oppinion.

There is a 2006 GTO that runs at my track and he consitantly pull better times than S197s. He does have exhaust work and an intake....though honestly I don't know well the GTOs respond to mods. Anyway his times are anywhere from .2-.3 seconds faster than the S197s, and I don't know a single bone stock S197 at my track. I myself haven't ran him yet, but his ETs are better than mine. So it is really hard to say since none of us are stock. Oh yeah that GTO runs on his street tires too.

I agree that a 13.3 1/4mile with the 05-06 GTO might be hard for the general public to reproduce, but I would say the same about STOCK S197s running 13.5s. Most S197s running 13.5s or better have a tune at least.

However, there is a 03 Mach1 at our track that can beat him by about a tenth or so. He has 4.10s, polished intake manifold, a higher stall torque converter (I don't know the stall though), tune, on street tires too. When he runs DRs he would destroy the GTO. So a S197 with similar mods ought to do as well.

Either way I think LS2 GTOs are still plenty fast, and would probably take us stock for stock with the same driver. Never ran one on the street though.

But I would say it is close enough to be a drivers race IMO. Anyone who's raced knows that a bad driver can make a low 13 sec car a mid 14 second car or worse if they don't know what they are doing.

ORIGINAL: RodeoFlyer

I have raced both GTO's. We can give the 04's a run for their money, but the 05's will WALK ALL OVER YOU. It was heartbraking and embarassing. The easy way to tell is the exhaust. The 04's have one tailpipe on the left, whereas the 05's have dual pipes. Spare yourself the shame if you come up behind those dual pipes. Yes they are ugly. Yes they are overpriced. Yes they are FAST.


Actually they both have dual pipes stock.

The '04 has them both on the left, the '05+ has one on the left and one on the right.

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Anyone who's raced knows that a bad driver can make a low 13 sec car a mid 14 second car or worse if they don't know what they are doing.

:eek:Amen to that. I've seen guys with 03/04 Cobras run a full half a second slower than what I was running. I know that's not right.:eek:

I seemingly hear all the time about GTO's/Camaro's/ or even Mach 1's running high 12's to about 13.1 or so with BONE STOCK down to the stock rubber. It's hard to believe. 13.3 or so, I can see that happening.

I hate like hell to paper race LOL but it's all I can do in this situation because we don't have any GTOs in Canada so I have never actually seen one run. :D

That being said, from what I have read and heard from people who onw them, stock VS. stock, the LS2 GTO should beat our GTs........but like I said, I have never even seen one run.

I do understand that they have a hard time hooking up though.

I actually wasn't going to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole, but for the guy that said he went to a GTO board and they were all running 14's. www.ls1gto.com Here is the top times for the '05 - '06 BONE STOCK street tire. They also don't let you post your time without a timeslip and/or video.

LS2 ENGINE CLASS
Top NA LS2 ET's - Stock:
1) NYTIGER 12.920 @ 109.40 MPH
2) jumbojet 12.974 @ 108.08 MPH
3) Boilermaker GTO 12.9299 @ 106.89
4) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
5) KYGTO 13.035 @ 108.96 MPH
6) Judgethis05 13.036 @ 108.72
7) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
8) SloNlo 13.086 @ 108.75 MPH
9) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
10) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH
11) Lord Vador 13.132 @ 108.85 MPH
12) Joey D 13.236 @ 104.79 MPH
13) steelerguy 13.378 @ 106.54 MPH

Just for giggles. Here is the top minor bolt on stuff. LS2's of course.

Top NA LS2 ET's - Modified - Bolt Ons / Tune Only: ("unopened motor", must retain unmodified factory designated cylinder heads (no porting) camshaft and short block)
1) 2005 goat 12.243 @ 110.76 MPH 3.91 gear, 3600stall, Nitto DR, LPE cai
2) Bad GTO 12.326 @ 108.75 MPH vig 3200 stall, kooks LT
3) Kruul 12.349 @ 111.69 MPH yank 3200, LPE cai, SW LT no cats, magnaflow cb
4) Lord Vador 12.52 @ 111.091 MPH removed MAF screen, no mufflers, air bags, DRs
4) MacDogg 12.575 @ 111.14 LPE cai, kooks, tune, A4
5) slowgoat 12.53 @ 107.3 LPE CAI, 3.91, fuddle 3200, MT DRs
6) ponyeatergto 12.593 @ 110.19 catless midpipes, flowmasters, tune, LPE cai
7) TM2FLI 12.60 @ 110.41 MPH
8) Hookmechanic 12.64 @ 111.41 MPH - retired, god bless.
9) steelerguy 12.685 @ 113.46 MPH
10) hellhammer 12.76 @ 108.5 MPH headlight removed and DRs
11) Orange GT 12.784 @ 108.93 MPH SLP LT, magnaflow cb, tune, MT DRs
12) Joe6pt0 12.807 @ 107.94 MPH borla cb, tune
13) 05GTOM6 12.838 @ 108.31 MPH - MTs, CAI
14) SloNlo_350 12.870 @ 109.51 MPH RWTD dyno tune
15) Housewolf 12.892 @ 108.49 mph LPE CAI, Nitto DRs, and Tune
16) TJT 12.916 @ 107.1 mph GMM ripshift, magnaflow cb, nittos, drag bags
17) fjpelkey2001 12.971 @ 112.451 MPH K&N drop in, catback, stock tires
18) Wipeout 12.956 @ 107.55 MPH- LPE CAI, ripshift, Nitto DRs

yeah,

thats the top ten. . . thats not the average, nor the average "spinning the tires is gonna get me a better time" Jim Bob off the street. . . those guys have made plenty of passes before posting their very best. . .

Thats not the point. I happen to have a 12.98 slip for the car myself. Did it take awhile? Of course. But you guys said they were 14 second cars. I realize not all of you said that. I was just giving you info. Someone questioned, if 12's can happen. The answer is yes.

And really, I've had so many arguments about this car, I don't care to do it again.

ORIGINAL: mikefan20

GTO must be one of the ugliest things I have seen. I was wondering how we would run against them, but I never see one around to race. [sm=lame.gif]


i take the 05/06 ones by 5-6 car lengths at the track in the several times i've run against them. they trap 2-5mph less than me depending on my mods at the time. im full bolt-on but stock exhaust btw.

I have a C6 wth the LS2. Let me tell you , that car can scare the pi$$ out of me sometimes. But LS2 engines are very sensitve to heat soak, just tooling around town in the middle of summer and those things pull timing like crazy. They will dyno 345 to the wheels cool and about 315-320 hot. Now, take that and put it into the heavy GTO with one of the worst shifters around and its a drivers race. I have not experienced this heat soak to that degree on my GT. This mustang is also MUCH easier to launch than the GTO and my vette. So light to light is the mustangs field vs the GTO. I just wish the rev limiter was higher, I keep hitting it when I get excited.

thats cool man, no arguing here. . .

im just saying that not many "experienced" drag racers drive those cars. . .

and when that happens. . . even when your car should be faster, better driver can take his few tenths slower car and beat them. . .

thats all im sayin, and im sure most everyone here is saying.

ORIGINAL: Black06GT40324

thats cool man, no arguing here. . .

im just saying that not many "experienced" drag racers drive those cars. . .

and when that happens. . . even when your car should be faster, better driver can take his few tenths slower car and beat them. . .

thats all im sayin, and im sure most everyone here is saying.


When you go to a test and tune night...How many "experienced" drag racers do you see? It's mostly the average joe blow that just wants to see what his car runs and has fun with it. Thats perfectly fine, thats what those nights are for. I just find it funny that a lot of people on the forums see a time for a car, regardless of what it is and think thats what they all run. Then you get the "My Mustang will kill it." Of couse it will. :eek:

I'm not trying to be "that guy" as I do have a fox body, and had a couple of other stangs. But some of these guys need to learn how to give credit where credit is due...Don't ya think?

definately,

I know what a car is capable of just from power to weight ratio. . . i don't have to see someone drive'em. . . :-)

i know that the average for "decent drivers" in these cars at the track is prolly a 13.2 or 13.3, and im sure you ran a few of those . . .

I've actually got about 20 slips that range from 12.98 to I think 16.50. Most of the time, I can get it to hook off the line, then when it hits second it frys the tires. If I'm lucky enough to hook it back up in a reasonable amount of time, it just does it again into 3rd. It's pretty hopeless without drag radials.

wow. . . sounds like a lot of power lost . . .

if i don't spin bad in first. . . i don't have to worry at all about traction . . . it just hooks. . .

i guess the weight shift, solid rear axel, and excellent suspension help out a bit. . . :-)

sounds like Pontiac is all about the power, just forgot about puttin' it to the ground . . . ;-)

ORIGINAL: Black06GT40324

sounds like Pontiac is all about the power, just forgot about puttin' it to the ground . . . ;-)


Na, they did a HELL of a job, my car pulls 1.6 short times on stock suspension...oh wait, you meant GTO's. Yea, much like the Cobra's, they got a ****ty IRS setup.

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ORIGINAL: Black06GT40324

sounds like Pontiac is all about the power, just forgot about puttin' it to the ground . . . ;-)


Na, they did a HELL of a job, my car pulls 1.6 short times on stock suspension...oh wait, you meant GTO's. Yea, much like the Cobra's, they got a ****ty IRS setup.


dude. . .

we're talking street tires here bub. . . not drag radials. . .

1.6's are def on drags. . .

and yeah, i wasn't sure if the GTO's had IRS, but it makes a lot of sense. . . ha ha

Na, just some 555r's....you call that a DRAG tire?

ORIGINAL: 98LS1

Na, just some 555r's....you call that a DRAG tire?

i sure as flippin hell dont...flippin 1.964 best flippin short time

That's Nitto's drag radial i thought

ORIGINAL: Black06GT40324

That's Nitto's drag radial i thought


Yea, just the most ****ty one you can buy. It last for a million miles though...b/c it's a ****ty drag radial. :D

ha ha

ok. . . maybe i should invest in this ****ty drag radial if it has long life and gives you 1.6's . . . lol

JD1969 has been in the 1.5's with some control arms, and a BFG radial. Everything else suspension wise is stock.

I don't recommend it. I could have went 1.5's with a tire and the car was only making 367rwhp at the time....the Nitto's were just a good street tire. Check out JD's Camaro, he's gone 1.5's on BFG's with next to nothing in suspension mods.

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

JD1969 has been in the 1.5's with some control arms, and a BFG radial. Everything else suspension wise is stock.


Bastard....beat me to it. :D

yeah,

i have seen nothing but great times from the BFG's, they were my plan originally. . .

i guess i will stick with'em. . . i wonder what the life of them are, short ya think? the BFG's?

They have a bad tread wear...which means they'll hook great typically. I'd go with MT's though if I were you. I'm not messing around with my next tire, I'm going with slicks....

ORIGINAL: 98LS1

They have a bad tread wear...which means they'll hook great typically. I'd go with MT's though if I were you. I'm not messing around with my next tire, I'm going with slicks....


Agreed. I have them on my fox. And I can't wait to get it to the track.

i know that Mickey T's are the best, but they just too big and ugly to me, i have only seen the one with "Mickey Thompson" written in white on the sides, and they are really tall, i dont want that, i want the ones that you have to take a close look to tell that they are drag radials. . .

The ones that say M/T in white are the ET Drags. Those are slicks. What you want is the ET Street Radial. They come in a variety of sizes. And they look like a street tire.

The ET Streets are purtay tires.

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

The ones that say M/T in white are the ET Drags. Those are slicks. What you want is the ET Street Radial. They come in a variety of sizes. And they look like a street tire.


mkay

i will look into those. . .

any links u know of?

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ORIGINAL: 8URWS6

Just went to the GTO forums and saw that the normal 1/4 mile times were 14.00. When they didn't have a good driver the 1/4 mile times were 14.9-15.3.
Guys, thats strait from the GTO forums from the people who love em.......[:'(]
Now obviously there were some, just like here, who highly modified them and ran 11's to mid 10's, but stock to stock..... MUSTANG!!


there are new stangs ran high 14s which they are soppsed to run mid 13s.. l have seen GTO vids l believe on streetfire that they ran flat 13 very low 13s.


I've seen vids of most everything, even Honda's running 9's, I've seen video of so many things (car related...) yet on the street and at the track, where it counts I have yet to see GTO LS1 stockers best a very high 13.... and the infamous 6.0 GTO was maybe a few tenths quicker... but since you saw vids of new Mustang's running high 14's, that must be the norm....

Do you dislike your car or something? Can't get it out of the 14's? Good grief, I've seen video of GTO's running 15's, does that make it the norm??


dude l like my car but that doesnt mean that l have to make my car my god and defend it all the time.. truth is truth.. new GTOs are faster than us.

if you would have line a up a decent driver l would have seen what would happen to you! those things will kill us.

you are talking about freaking hondas, show me 9 sec. stock honda! l am talking about stock GTO ran 13 flat and very low 13s at the track. have you seen 13 flat bone stock stang GT?

it is not about loving my car or something, it is the truth.. l will bet EVERYONE on this web site.. STOCK for STOCK decent drivers.. hands down GTO!

here is a link about 0-60mph times and 1/4 mile times

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

P.S. l am not trying to be jerk or something.. l love my mustang and other mustangs as much as you guys do.


First off,,if you seen a new gto that was STOCK run a 13.0 flat then that person is a better driver than the Pro who drove the car & told GM it was a 13.30s car!(for which the general public is having a hard time reproducing!)Secondly,,if this was a 13.0 run it WAS done with an exceptional driver AND drag radials!No way that car can run 13.0 on street radials...Most of us here(IMO) are street racers.That's where the whole story unfolds because you get into more races on the streets(if your a race fiend!:D) then you do at the track with D/Rs....If you believe that the GTO is quicker then thats your oppinion.But you will have a hard time feeding that dish to the ones here who are beating 04-06 GTOs on the street!Again,,it's just my Oppinion.



dude, first of all those numbers are general number that people runs at the track and second: 13.0 is what GM produced.. not 13.30 check the link l gave above.

also l am not saying my opinion.. l am saying what l see.

These are Mickeys

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ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

These are Mickeys

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Me needs some of them.............badly:(

Im done with this thread!Yeah we know what the GTO is capable of but it doesnt happen often hence your top ten list.....But hey,,I will give all the guys with GTOs that Ive been owning on the streets your screen name so they can look you up to be consoled!:D

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GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.

That makes a quick launch tougher.

Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.

Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.

F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.

Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's

400 HP GTO's only......................


have you ever ran with any LS1 f-bodies? dude l am serious those cars are no JOKE! with a good driver people have seen those cars ran 13 flat! general timeslip is 13.1- 13.2-13.3 but when you look at the new stang GT with a good driver we ran mid 13s but general timeslips are 13.8-13.9-14ish..

a 98-00 FBODY puts down 295-300RWHP. and 01-02 FBODY puts down 310-315RWHP!! weights even a little less than new stangs.. now tell me whatelese you want me to tell you?
unless it is a ccrappy driver, f-bodies SADLY will be beat us! forget about their rear end ratio, even if you put 2-3 cars off the line, those cars will catch and pull hard! they are called highway monsters.. from a roll they are very good.. from a dig they are allright! most of them has 3.23- 3.73 gears.



I've beat them and I personaly know by experience. Sorry, but I know that the F-body couldn't beat me. I wish I had a stamp to put on the side of my Mustang everytime I raced one, I would have a full fender.

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

I actually wasn't going to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole, but for the guy that said he went to a GTO board and they were all running 14's. www.ls1gto.com Here is the top times for the '05 - '06 BONE STOCK street tire. They also don't let you post your time without a timeslip and/or video.

LS2 ENGINE CLASS
Top NA LS2 ET's - Stock:
1) NYTIGER 12.920 @ 109.40 MPH
2) jumbojet 12.974 @ 108.08 MPH
3) Boilermaker GTO 12.9299 @ 106.89
4) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
5) KYGTO 13.035 @ 108.96 MPH
6) Judgethis05 13.036 @ 108.72
7) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
8) SloNlo 13.086 @ 108.75 MPH
9) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
10) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH
11) Lord Vador 13.132 @ 108.85 MPH
12) Joey D 13.236 @ 104.79 MPH
13) steelerguy 13.378 @ 106.54 MPH





Yes, that would be me. I think that you need to go back and check out the 1/4 mile board again. A lot of your boys said they were dissapointed and I do believe that one of them said that 14 seconds was the norm for a stock GTO.
Go ahead, put some drag radials on it or maybe even some slicks, see how long it takes you to break your axle shafts in the back. Can't tell me it doesn't happen, too many times have I heard that they are tired of people bringing them in and trying to get them to warranty the axles. You may have guys running consistant low 13's or even high 12's, but that doesn't answer the 100 hp question.....why only .3-.5 tenths faster. Go for it!

I know a lot of you have seen this but oh well..

http://media.putfile.com/99-Mustang-GT-vs-04-GTO

are they faster??? yes!!! does that mean they are unbeatable NO!!

ORIGINAL: 8URWS6

I've beat them and I personaly know by experience. Sorry, but I know that the F-body couldn't beat me. I wish I had a stamp to put on the side of my Mustang everytime I raced one, I would have a full fender.

Let me go out on a huge limb here: you don't actually have any timeslips, do you? If you did, you would be singing a very different tune.

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

These are Mickeys

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Those look nice. . . i wonder if they make them for my 18's? Whatchu think?

Ok so the new GTO's are faster...so what? I can spend money modding to even out the price difference right? There are a few newer gto's running around here and I would race them no doubt, but would I win? Its possible. I know the drivers are definately not good enough to make the 13.3 a reality, hell I dont even know if they could make 13.6 a reality (I guess it is a little unfair to the GTO's that the drivers, IN THIS CASE, aren't very good).

The reason for GTO's not being able to break into the 12s, and into the 13s is the driver. My buddy has a BONE STOCK 05 GTO, and he went 12.9 with a 1.9 60'. This is on the stock street tires that came with the car. The LS2 is total garbage before it is broken in. Go searcing around on a GTO forum and find a dyno comparsion of two BONE STOCK GTO's, one with 2000 miles and one with 8000 miles, there is like a 30 hp difference. The LS2 generally puts down about 340-350 hp to the rear wheels in a 4000 lb car. Not too impressive, but you find me one BONE STOCK S197 mustang thatll break into the 12s, you wont. Thats terminator territory right there.

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Thats not the point. I happen to have a 12.98 slip for the car myself. Did it take awhile? Of course. But you guys said they were 14 second cars. I realize not all of you said that. I was just giving you info. Someone questioned, if 12's can happen. The answer is yes.

And really, I've had so many arguments about this car, I don't care to do it again.

So the GTO can do 12's. That's impressive

I just wanna say this is one of the dumbest ones i ve seen in a while. Arguments of well i saw one run a 15, or i beat one one time, and using that as what they run. Come on guys, we arent ricers here. Just because one sucked doesnt mean thats what they do. The GTO is a faster car, and for that matter so are any of the LS1's. Now i know, "i beat LS1's no problem", or "I saw an LS1 run a 14.4" or whatever crap stories we are going to hear. The plain and simple fact is that the LS1's, GTO's, LS2's, all of the LSx vehicles make more power and are faster cars stock vs stock. I have said it a million times, but i think im typing to the blind. All things being equal any LS vehicle will beat any stang, with the exception of the 03/04 Cobra, GT500, and Cobra R. So go ahead and begin the flaming or hating, but it is true.

I also wanted to ask you undefeated what do you have against F-bodies. Your last few thread and posts have been pretty ant-F-body. If i where you i wouldnt go around thinking they are hiding from you. While your car does look and sounds like it can put up some good times. I highly doubt any F-body guys are at all intimidated or worried about racing your GT.

ORIGINAL: Pewterwssicc

I just wanna say this is one of the dumbest ones i ve seen in a while. Arguments of well i saw one run a 15, or i beat one one time, and using that as what they run. Come on guys, we arent ricers here. Just because one sucked doesnt mean thats what they do. The GTO is a faster car, and for that matter so are any of the LS1's. Now i know, "i beat LS1's no problem", or "I saw an LS1 run a 14.4" or whatever crap stories we are going to hear. The plain and simple fact is that the LS1's, GTO's, LS2's, all of the LSx vehicles make more power and are faster cars stock vs stock. I have said it a million times, but i think im typing to the blind. All things being equal any LS vehicle will beat any stang, with the exception of the 03/04 Cobra, GT500, and Cobra R. So go ahead and begin the flaming or hating, but it is true.

I also wanted to ask you undefeated what do you have against F-bodies. Your last few thread and posts have been pretty ant-F-body. If i where you i wouldnt go around thinking they are hiding from you. While your car does look and sounds like it can put up some good times. I highly doubt any F-body guys are at all intimidated or worried about racing your GT.

I lovvvve Fbodys, I wanted a Camaro SS or Ws6, but the one's that drive them make it seem like the 3v's are no threat at all. They are wayyy to sure of this. If I had never experience driving an LS1 myself, maybe I'd believe the[sm=bs.gif]. They must be humbled and I'll be one that will do it. Simply because you doubt they are intimidated doesn't change the fact that they wimped out. The story still stands. My "gt" as you call it climbed up the arse of a Camaro SS while he was racing another car and because of this, he didn't want to race when I lined up against him and the STI. Maybe they thought I had a supercharger or something, I dunno. My GT also out ran an 05 GTO by 4 tenths of a second during my first experience at the track. The way the Lsx's are spoken of, this is never supposed to happen. If you drive a 2005+ C6, Porshe 911 turbo, Porshe Carrera GT, or Bugatii Veyron, THEN you can take my GT lightly. If you drive a LS1, LS2, Mach 1 or a Srt8, you cannot take my GT lightly. My eyes have repeatedly seen the truth. Sorry if anyone doesn't like it. I'd settle it on the street with vids if I could, but all we can do is type until I do get vids.

Until we can see what you run, there is no way of knowing. But consider a LS1 with only a couple bolt-ons. Lid, filter, and cut-out traps in the neighborhood of 107-110. You may get a 107 trap, but i really doubt you are going to pull anything higher. Which would just about put you even with an LS1 with only a couple basic bolt-ons. Its hard to find a completely stock LS1 which is what you would need to race in order for you to be so confident that they are scared of your GT.

It can all come down to setup as well. I am still beating my roommates 98 SS from a roll or a dig, and i still dont even have my 2nd gear fixed yet. Shifting from 1st to 3rd. But he is lowered and has to hard of suspension to get good traction. Anyway keep on thinking that there afraid of your car, but i can guarantee you that they arent. The guy in the SS in your other story that raced the STI probably thought the STI had mroe to offer him in the way of competition. I would think the same thing if i saw a new mustang GT.

ORIGINAL: undefeated

ORIGINAL: Pewterwssicc

I just wanna say this is one of the dumbest ones i ve seen in a while. Arguments of well i saw one run a 15, or i beat one one time, and using that as what they run. Come on guys, we arent ricers here. Just because one sucked doesnt mean thats what they do. The GTO is a faster car, and for that matter so are any of the LS1's. Now i know, "i beat LS1's no problem", or "I saw an LS1 run a 14.4" or whatever crap stories we are going to hear. The plain and simple fact is that the LS1's, GTO's, LS2's, all of the LSx vehicles make more power and are faster cars stock vs stock. I have said it a million times, but i think im typing to the blind. All things being equal any LS vehicle will beat any stang, with the exception of the 03/04 Cobra, GT500, and Cobra R. So go ahead and begin the flaming or hating, but it is true.

I also wanted to ask you undefeated what do you have against F-bodies. Your last few thread and posts have been pretty ant-F-body. If i where you i wouldnt go around thinking they are hiding from you. While your car does look and sounds like it can put up some good times. I highly doubt any F-body guys are at all intimidated or worried about racing your GT.

I lovvvve Fbodys, I wanted a Camaro SS or Ws6, but the one's that drive them make it seem like the 3v's are no threat at all. They are wayyy to sure of this. If I had never experience driving an LS1 myself, maybe I'd believe the[sm=bs.gif]. They must be humbled and I'll be one that will do it. Simply because you doubt they are intimidated doesn't change the fact that they wimped out. The story still stands. My "gt" as you call it climbed up the arse of a Camaro SS while he was racing another car and because of this, he didn't want to race when I lined up against him and the STI. Maybe they thought I had a supercharger or something, I dunno. My GT also out ran an 05 GTO by 4 tenths of a second during my first experience at the track. The way the Lsx's are spoken of, this is never supposed to happen. If you drive a 2005+ C6, Porshe 911 turbo, Porshe Carrera GT, or Bugatii Veyron, THEN you can take my GT lightly. If you drive a LS1, LS2, Mach 1 or a Srt8, you cannot take my GT lightly. My eyes have repeatedly seen the truth. Sorry if anyone doesn't like it. I'd settle it on the street with vids if I could, but all we can do is type until I do get vids.



i hear ya dude. . . i've smoked plenty of LS1's that were stock. . . and to be honest, from a dig, it was terrible, like 5 cars or more. . .

hell i've even outrun 03 Cobras, and 06 Saleen SC's at the track just from driving. . . and i know their car is faster. . .

i think our car is just engineered to be a drag car, from the solid rear, perfect weight shift, and the sinking rear suspension, just hard to beat unless you have a LOT more power. . .

just my .02

Hell, I actually prefer the competition NOT to be afraid of my car. I WANT them to take it lightly. I WANT them to think I'm an easy win. The two LS1 guys that have been badgering me at work for the last few months certainly didn't think much of my car. And let's just say that one of them has stopped running his mouth since last Sunday nite.;)


.........twice the pride............double the fall:D

The 3V GT is definitely competition for the LS1. I'm not scared, though. If an 05-06 wants a piece and the conditions are right, its on. I am 1-0 against them so far.

Just wondering, do you guys think you can beat a Charger SRT8?

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Just wondering, do you guys think you can beat a Charger SRT8?

I probably could........but I can't speak for the NA 05/06 guys;)

I would hope that you guys are running down F-bodies that are stock. You should be making a bit more power than they are with the mods you have. And THISBLOOD you should be making a lot more power if i remember correctly on what your setup is. I am by no means saying that the 05/06 GT's are slow and cant beat an LS1. I am just saying that i have been noticing a lot of cockiness lately about the issue and that the GT guys seem to think that the LS1 guys would be hesitant to race them. I asure you they are not.

The real problem is that the LS1 is setup very well and can put down some awesome times and numbers. Where the trouble is, is that there are a lot of guys out there running them with very little expirience or that just cant drive very well. Now I know that goes for all cars as well. But the F-bodies need a good driver to really shine, sadly i was not up to the task the first few times i went to the track. The F-bodies can be 12 second cars bone stock, no mustang GT can say that, F-bodies can hit over 106mph bone stock, again no mustang GT can say that. You guys have just so far ran up against stockers, which i think is very rare.

My one expirience with racing a 06 Black GT was an easy kill. I think it was stock though and an auto, on the freeway. But it was such an easy win i didnt even go WOT.

The important thing here is that i need to get my car back up so i can race Sleeper05 and put the beat down on him, lol. And I am going to say it again, mod to mod, stock to stock, all things equal the F-bodies will outperform the 05/06 GTs everytime. To think any differently is just foolish. And to think (now im gonna hear it) they came out 8 years ago. And still have better performance, hahaha.

I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?

ORIGINAL: Pewterwssicc

You guys have just so far ran up against stockers, which i think is very rare.
This guy I ran upon was definately not stock. You got to understand, I have a friend at work with an SS that has 406RWHP. I race him every chance I get. That thing is insane. HE even says when I get my cams, I'll be right there with him. In fact, after he drove my car, he got an 06 Stang. That will tell you what the new stangs are about;). My other co-worker's 04 Cobra has 414 RWHP and we went from a 20mph roll yesterday in second and he had me by 3 cars by the time we was at 100. No LS1 is going to do that with minor mod's, I'm sorry.

Its hard to find a completely stock LS1 which is what you would need to race in order for you to be so confident that they are scared of your GT.

The guy in the SS in your other story that raced the STI probably thought the STI had mroe to offer him in the way of competition. I would think the same thing if i saw a new mustang GT.



Which is what made crawling up his arse very amusing:D. He wasn't so sure about that lil ole GT behind him, I bet[sm=icon_sneaky.gif].
This guy was scared[X(], and so was the other one. Now I know as much as anyone how cocky the f-body drivers are, that's why I'm going to spank them when I get the chance to race one with similar mods. Sure, I'll get spanked some too, but I bet you it won't be a cake walk. I agree with you on one thing I fear STI's and EVO's more so than I do f-bodys. All wheel drive launches are a killer. F body's are in my league with the same traction issues, etc...

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I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?

I certainly would hope not. All else being equal (stock for stock, mod for mod, auto vs auto), my car could usually take out a 3V GT and an 05/06 GTO would take me out.

ORIGINAL: GMhipo

I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?

Equal drivers or magazine racing, I'm assuming no. On the street/track in the real world where it counts, sure it can be done often;) and already has. The day where f-bodys can chuckle at GT's is over. I'm sure the 05/06 predecessors where frustrated with the difference in power and what not, but that gap is seriously smaller. Anyone who knows racing knows that a car with up to 50 or so more horsepower can be beaten because racing side by side is different from car and driver, etc...

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i hear ya dude. . . i've smoked plenty of LS1's that were stock. . . and to be honest, from a dig, it was terrible, like 5 cars or more. . .

hell i've even outrun 03 Cobras, and 06 Saleen SC's at the track just from driving. . . and i know their car is faster. . .

i think our car is just engineered to be a drag car, from the solid rear, perfect weight shift, and the sinking rear suspension, just hard to beat unless you have a LOT more power. . .

just my .02



Yeah, I was surprised when I saw the truth at the track. I was expecting them to leave us fairly easy. My friend's 05 had the pleasure of beating an SS by about a car length at the track. I didn't get that chance[>:], but I went 4-1 against him. Yep, this car is set up to be a drag monster if you want it to be. The LS1's have had plenty of years to experiment and get the impressive times and such. The new stangs are just getting started. I'm going to try and pay this thing off quickly so I can get the new Boss 302(5.0)[sm=drooldude.gif] that's coming out to compete with the Camaro. It's expected to have around 390 horspower at least.

I still will and do chuckle at any mustang i see. One did give me a good surprise though. But he was running a S/C and putting down a good amount more than i was. Let me know how it goes undefeated when you run into a F-body with equal mods, including gears. That will be a funny one. STI's and EVO's are the least of my worries. I dont worry about either of them at all. I know there are those that could beat me, and it doesnt take them a whole hell of a lot to reach that point, but i still dont worry about it.

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Let me know how it goes undefeated when you run into a F-body with equal mods, including gears. That will be a funny one.

I'll be sure to, and yes, it will be funny, I agree;).

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Just wondering, do you guys think you can beat a Charger SRT8?

No doubt. And he could beat me also.

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i hear ya dude. . . i've smoked plenty of LS1's that were stock. . . and to be honest, from a dig, it was terrible, like 5 cars or more. . .

hell i've even outrun 03 Cobras, and 06 Saleen SC's at the track just from driving. . . and i know their car is faster. . .

i think our car is just engineered to be a drag car, from the solid rear, perfect weight shift, and the sinking rear suspension, just hard to beat unless you have a LOT more power. . .

just my .02



Yeah, I was surprised when I saw the truth at the track. I was expecting them to leave us fairly easy. My friend's 05 had the pleasure of beating an SS by about a car length at the track. I didn't get that chance[>:], but I went 4-1 against him. Yep, this car is set up to be a drag monster if you want it to be. The LS1's have had plenty of years to experiment and get the impressive times and such. The new stangs are just getting started. I'm going to try and pay this thing off quickly so I can get the new Boss 302(5.0)[sm=drooldude.gif] that's coming out to compete with the Camaro. It's expected to have around 390 horspower at least.


you need to elaborate on this new BOSS 302, i have heard nothing. . . i want to know though. . .

i may consider a trade in. . . LOL

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I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?

Equal drivers or magazine racing, I'm assuming no. On the street/track in the real world where it counts, sure it can be done often;) and already has. The day where f-bodys can chuckle at GT's is over. I'm sure the 05/06 predecessors where frustrated with the difference in power and what not, but that gap is seriously smaller. Anyone who knows racing knows that a car with up to 50 or so more horsepower can be beaten because racing side by side is different from car and driver, etc...



Ok then you just admitted that the GTO and SRT8 are faster cars. You can talk about drivers all day and the fact of the mater is there are some really ****ty Mustang drivers too. In the real world and street racing especially you usually have a bunch of young punks driving Stangs, SRT8's, GTO Vettes what ever there daddy could afford and non of them no how to drive. There are some odler "veteran" guys the prey on the punks and can beat some nice cars in a lesser car but to me hanging out with a bunch of highshcoolers is a little fruity.

The track is a different story though. At the track you typically have much more experienced drivers so I'd say the stang would still be in big trouble.

****ty vs ****ty driver GTO wins (in this case an auto stang would stand a much better chance.)
veteran vs veteran GTO wins

****ty driver vs Veteran, who knows but in that case just about any car could beat just about any other car. This is what you've been saying since the begining and I don't dispute it at all but it means absolutely nothing.

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I'm talking stock for stock you guys are saying that the Mustang GT could beat an 05/06 GTO and Charger STR8? Equal drivers?

Equal drivers or magazine racing, I'm assuming no. On the street/track in the real world where it counts, sure it can be done often;) and already has. The day where f-bodys can chuckle at GT's is over. I'm sure the 05/06 predecessors where frustrated with the difference in power and what not, but that gap is seriously smaller. Anyone who knows racing knows that a car with up to 50 or so more horsepower can be beaten because racing side by side is different from car and driver, etc...



Ok then you just admitted that the GTO and SRT8 are faster cars. You can talk about drivers all day and the fact of the mater is there are some really ****ty Mustang drivers too. In the real world and street racing especially you usually have a bunch of young punks driving Stangs, SRT8's, GTO Vettes what ever there daddy could afford and non of them no how to drive. There are some odler "veteran" guys the prey on the punks and can beat some nice cars in a lesser car but to me hanging out with a bunch of highshcoolers is a little fruity.

The track is a different story though. At the track you typically have much more experienced drivers so I'd say the stang would still be in big trouble.

****ty vs ****ty driver GTO wins (in this case an auto stang would stand a much better chance.)
veteran vs veteran GTO wins

****ty driver vs Veteran, who knows but in that case just about any car could beat just about any other car. This is what you've been saying since the begining and I don't dispute it at all but it means absolutely nothing.

At the track, I outran plenty of GTO's/Mach 1's and Ls1's. By your philosophy, my theory still stands. We can run with the best of em.

I think people need to understand that even an Enzo can be driven to a 15 second 1/4 mile with an orangutan at the wheel. Does that mean that an Enzo is fair game for any of our cars? Uhhh no. No it is not.

My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.

ORIGINAL: Pewterwssicc

Until we can see what you run, there is no way of knowing. But consider a LS1 with only a couple bolt-ons. Lid, filter, and cut-out traps in the neighborhood of 107-110. You may get a 107 trap, but i really doubt you are going to pull anything higher. Which would just about put you even with an LS1 with only a couple basic bolt-ons. Its hard to find a completely stock LS1 which is what you would need to race in order for you to be so confident that they are scared of your GT.

It can all come down to setup as well. I am still beating my roommates 98 SS from a roll or a dig, and i still dont even have my 2nd gear fixed yet. Shifting from 1st to 3rd. But he is lowered and has to hard of suspension to get good traction. Anyway keep on thinking that there afraid of your car, but i can guarantee you that they arent. The guy in the SS in your other story that raced the STI probably thought the STI had mroe to offer him in the way of competition. I would think the same thing if i saw a new mustang GT.


i had a 110+ trap, then i modded more, and got a 108trap [:@] fu(king A

edit: im about 5-0 with mach 1's, about 12-4 with ls1 cars (two were highly modded vettes that raped me, but nitrous isn fair), and 4-0 with ls2 cars (all gto). track experience polls that regardless of circumstances and drivers, there is a trend developing there that suggests the new stangs can hang pretty well with lsx cars and their competition

edit edit: i never ran stock though, and i doubt i could do better than about a .500 batting average with those cars in that situation. however, most of them were modded to some degree as well, but i probly had more done on average. stock for stock, any ls1 car (save for the slow ass ls1 gto [8D]) will walk a stock stang. however, the game gets interesting considering how well these cars accept mods and how well they put down their power.

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My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.


You should probably come talk to me when you have a 12.98 timeslip for your "stock" Mustang. You clearly don't have a clue. There is a TON of room for error with a automatic 400 hp 400 tq IRS rear wheel drive car.

First off My disclaimer was............."My Expireance with the GTO at the track"I never said it was law.And I'm not going to return to stock to see what my car will run.But if your claiming to run 12.9 stock I Call B.S.Second if you want to compare time slips now I have no problem.

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My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.


You didn't tell us your times.........

ORIGINAL: olym4gery

GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.

That makes a quick launch tougher.

Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.

Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.

F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.

Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's

400 HP GTO's only......................


I would'nt say thats entirely accurate.

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First off My disclaimer was............."My Expireance with the GTO at the track"I never said it was law.And I'm not going to return to stock to see what my car will run.But if your claiming to run 12.9 stock I Call B.S.Second if you want to compare time slips now I have no problem.


So the one "kid" at the track is what you're basing your opinion off of? Here we go with the BS on the 12.9 again. There were people on this forum there that day. There are timeslips posted. Look for them. In this thread, I posted the times from the GTO board. Stock and light bolt ons.

And you want to compare timeslips? Sure. Oh, wait...Are you only counting my daily beater GTO, or do you want to compare with my Fox?

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ORIGINAL: olym4gery

GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.

That makes a quick launch tougher.

Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.

Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.

F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.

Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's

400 HP GTO's only......................


I would'nt say thats entirely accurate.



"the new vettes are slow"

this a a blunt statement that i can back up with my track experience. though i've never seen one run, the only one i would have (you) chickened out and went frolicking in the vineyards instead. therefore, you were scared and the new vettes are slot IN MY TRACK EXPERIENCE.


...lmao

Here is a link on the GTO 0-60 4.6 1/4 13.5 http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacgtols2.html
If your knocking of a half a second off of this you should be a proffesional racer like the people who get these times. http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacgtols2.html

ORIGINAL: Pewterwssicc

You guys have just so far ran up against stockers, which i think is very rare.




The two guys I work with both have LS1 Camaro's (a 98 and a 00) and they are both cammed. And the 00 is the one I ran Sunday night. I can't say how much else they have done since both didn't even admit that they were not stock until I put them on the spot. And even then, they'd only admit to having "mild bolt-ons". But for sure they both have more aggressive cams(not sure HOW aggressive.....but they are not running stock cams for sure) and some kind of exhaust work. Another guy that's friends with them let me in on a tip that they both dyno'd around 375rwhp......since both have identical setups, or close to it.

I was supposed to race both Sunday, but the guy with the 98 said his car is laid up for a complete exhaust workup............but to be honest, I have a feeling he got wind of my blower and is working on a nitrous setup instead. Oh well. The guy with the 00 is the less cocky of the two and agreed to go balls out. I got him 3 for 3............2 dig races and 1 30mph roll race.

Now, this was the FIRST LS1 I have ever raced in my 05. The only other F-body I ever ran was an LT-1 TA with a turbo setup when I was stock.............the results were as expected[:@]. I'm not one to be cocky and talk s**t, I prefer to speak softly and carry a big stick.;) But the fact of the matter is that almost all LS1 guys I've talked to don't think of the new GT's as a challenge......modified or not. So I guess you can expect some of these 05/06 GT guys to get a little cocky when they manage to shank an LS1 on the street or the strip.

Now, we can all agree that there are alot of guys claiming kills on cars that are (all things being equal) faster than theirs. But since cars still lack the ability to drive themselves, it is ultimately a test of a driver's ability to use his car's capabilites to their fullest that determines how well he fairs in a race. A guy that my friend knows has taken his 06 GT to the track a bunch of times and hasn't run faster than 14.9 yet[&:]. Doesn't mean his car his slow (which is the point some of you are trying to make), but I wouldn't count on him being able to beat very much in the way of respectable V8 cars when he's on the road.......300hp or no. Matter of fact, I"d be willing to bet that a few "other" domestic performers have burned his butt on the road in the recent past......which goes all the more towards the stigma that the S197 GT's are dog-slow. Oh well, whatcha gonna do?

Wait a second Stock is Stock and bolt on's are not STOCK.I'm sure your car is capable with some bolt on's 12.9.But you led me to believe you were STOCK.

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Wait a second Stock is Stock and bolt on's are not STOCK.I'm sure your car is capable with some bolt on's 12.9.But you led me to believe you were STOCK.


I said nothing about bolt ons. I said mine was stock. Sorry. I took the filter out. STOCK!

Since you apparently didn't read this thread.


LS2 ENGINE CLASS
Top NA LS2 ET's - Stock:
1) NYTIGER 12.920 @ 109.40 MPH
2) jumbojet 12.974 @ 108.08 MPH
3) Boilermaker GTO 12.9299 @ 106.89
4) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
5) KYGTO 13.035 @ 108.96 MPH
6) Judgethis05 13.036 @ 108.72
7) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
8) SloNlo 13.086 @ 108.75 MPH
9) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
10) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH
11) Lord Vador 13.132 @ 108.85 MPH
12) Joey D 13.236 @ 104.79 MPH
13) steelerguy 13.378 @ 106.54 MPH


Timeslips and video are required to make the list.

heys guys. i can understand people talking negative about the GTO, but when i began to see Mustang guys (undefeated) talk about F-bodies, i say get a clue!!. A bolt on F-Body is very capable of running circles around the 05-06 GT with bolt ons. I continue to see guys comparing their minor bolt on Gts to stock GTOs. Listen.... My GTO went 12.7 at 109 with drag radios!! this was consistantly in 60 degree weather. Just yesturday, while i was on I-95, I ran into a black 05 GT. We were traveling about 60mph. He jumped on his car, so i down shifted to 3rd and put over 4 cars on him. I waited from him to come up to my door and put more cars on him. When we exited, he laughed and said, "You have 400 HP and this is stock" I told him no problem, but the guys in the Mustang forums think the GTOs are slow. He told no way. We had this converstion before, i even went to the GTO forums and those guys said they are tired of arguing with guys, who are clueless. They will not post over hear, because they want you guys to continue to think the car is slow. I cannot post my video, because i don't have the USB cable, but I do have a very nice 05-06 GT, running 13.2 at 104. at atco on film. I remeber him saying he had every bolt on possible, with gears and he had Drs. There is also a yellow Mach 1 with black staggard rims, with exhaust on my film. He and i continued to run 13.0s until the sun set and i made three consecutive 12.7s @109. Keep in mind if we put bolt ons on our cars, the race and the arguments are over, between the GT and GTO.

Here is what you said you can delete it out of your thread later to make your argument........"So the one "kid" at the track is what you're basing your opinion off of? Here we go with the BS on the 12.9 again. There were people on this forum there that day. There are timeslips posted. Look for them. In this thread, I posted the times from the GTO board. Stock and light bolt ons."

Taking out an air filter is not bolt ons.Now you are trying to retract your slight bolt on statement to make your argument.I said clearly my expierance with the GTO and that it didn'y mean it was LAW.But even if I were stock that day like my friends 05 was that was with me he would have gotton walked.My buddy ran 14.1 and 13.9 STOCK 1/10 of a sec at 95 mph is 14 feet.Would have been five or six cars trapping at over a houndred mph..I consider that being walked.

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Here is a link on the GTO 0-60 4.6 1/4 13.5 http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacgtols2.html
If your knocking of a half a second off of this you should be a proffesional racer like the people who get these times. http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacgtols2.html


Nice link BTW. Did you notice that they didn't run the car at all? "0-¼ mile : 13.5 sec @ 106.0 mph(manual est.)"

On that note. I now vow to never have a GTO conversation with an 05+ owner. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about a car that weighs about the same and has 100 more hp and 100 more tq. Good luck guys, I wish you all excellent 1/4 times.

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Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.

I have to disagree. When you say "stock for stock with equal drivers".....you're talking about the cars' optimum performance............all about the numbers. And when you compare "optimum" performance numbers between the LS2 Goat and the S197 GT's then no, the Mustang does not walk the GTO every time........it's the other way around. Your experience with beating GTO's comes from differences in driver ability, so don't make blanket statements that exclude the driver element. Just a little tip;)

ORIGINAL: Go Blue 48044

Here is what you said you can delete it out of your thread later to make your argument........"So the one "kid" at the track is what you're basing your opinion off of? Here we go with the BS on the 12.9 again. There were people on this forum there that day. There are timeslips posted. Look for them. In this thread, I posted the times from the GTO board. Stock and light bolt ons."

Taking out an air filter is not bolt ons.Now you are trying to retract your slight bolt on statement to make your argument.I said clearly my expierance with the GTO and that it didn'y mean it was LAW.But even if I were stock that day like my friends 05 was that was with me he would have gotton walked.My buddy ran 14.1 and 13.9 STOCK 1/10 of a sec at 95 mph is 14 feet.Would have been five or six cars trapping at over a houndred mph..I consider that being walked.



You my friend are an idiot who clearly can't read. I didn't edit **** out of my post. If I did, it would say it at the bottom. I didn't retract anything. My statement stands as is. BTW...What times did you run Mr. Force?

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ORIGINAL: olym4gery

GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.

That makes a quick launch tougher.

Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.

Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.

F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.

Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's

400 HP GTO's only......................


I would'nt say thats entirely accurate.



"the new vettes are slow"

this a a blunt statement that i can back up with my track experience. though i've never seen one run, the only one i would have (you) chickened out and went frolicking in the vineyards instead. therefore, you were scared and the new vettes are slot IN MY TRACK EXPERIENCE.


...lmao



LOL . Yes, but I was a happy intoxicated chicken.

This arguement is really crazy. The Trail blazer SS with bolt ons can run mid-high 13s, but a GTO with the same engine can't? Question of the day. Is there anyone who has a stock 05-06 GT. (Yout know what? even if you have bolt on and tires.) tha lives in the Philadelphia , or New Jersey area. We can line them up, forget the track. We can find a good spot, bring a camera and i would run them for fun Please Please Please, lets settle this argument for once and for all. Stock for Stock, put your money where your mouth is. All in fun, so don't take it personal. I just want to settle this with two good drivers and i am willing to race. Any takers?

I didn't make a blanket statement.I am basing my opinion on what I saw first hand.Thats all have to go by.And thats how my opinion was formed on the GTO I thought I made it perfectly clear that just because I witnessed it first hand that it wasn't law.Second I never accused you of removing or editing your post I said you can edit later to strengthen your argument.You always know when someone is reaching when they start reverting to name calling.As a Mod I'd be real careful on how you go about engaging in such arguments.You never know who the site sponsors are.

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My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.


This thread is going fast so I'll post again....What were your times at the track that night?

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As a Mod I'd be real careful on how you go about engaging in such arguments.You never know who the site sponsors are.

[:-] Uh oh..............

Equal drivers 05 GTO vs 05 Mustang = 05 Mustang owner will be squinting hard to read the license plate on the back of the 05 GTO.

Now, these fights can go on for days. Majority of your 05 Mustang GT owners will run......low 14's. I've never seen a new 05 Mustang GT break a 13.9 stock - point being there is crappy drivers everywhere and you don't see me saying 05 Mustang GT's can't run mid 13's stock! Infact the only 05+ Mustang GT I recall seeing running sub 13.5's had 4.10's & drag radials.

I've witnessed a couple 04 GTO's running 13.6-14.0 last fall with nothing more than a driver mod. They all claimed to be stock down to the air filter.

As for 05 GTO's, I have yet to see any at the track, but if I've witnessed 04 GTO's that were stock running mid 13's with nothing more than a good driver, um...yeah. Stock for stock with equal drivers it only makes sense that the 05 GTO is going to absolutely tear a 05+ Mustang GT a new cornhole and then rub a little dirt on the wound.

Then again, I've watched C5 Z06's running high 13's. I've watched 03/04 Cobra's running high 13's. I've watched LS1 F-body's run HIGH 14's before!!!!

My point being, you can run into a bad driver at ANY time, regardless of what the car has for a transmission & absolutely rip a car with 100more hp a new butthole!

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I didn't make a blanket statement.I am basing my opinion on what I saw first hand.Thats all have to go by.And thats how my opinion was formed on the GTO I thought I made it perfectly clear that just because I witnessed it first hand that it wasn't law.Second I never accused you of removing or editing your post I said you can edit later to strengthen your argument.You always know when someone is reaching when they start reverting to name calling.As a Mod I'd be real careful on how you go about engaging in such arguments.You never know who the site sponsors are.


Well actually, I think I made a pretty good point. I said a ran a certain time, and you said "I'm calling B.S." I then further posted proof of other doing the same. As did another 2 GTO owners in this thread. You were the one going off about a car that you clearly and admittedly have absolutely NO knowledge about.

I've been building and racing cars for a long time. I'm not some kid who borrowed his dads GTO and took it to the track. I've owned plenty of Mustangs, a few F-Bodies, and a Corvette thrown in there. A few of them were pretty damn fast, and currently have another Mustang thats under the knife. This will be my fastest one to date. Let's not guess about what I said. I know what I said and didn't retract anything. If you think I'm reaching and calling names, so be it. I'm sorry you feel that way. I will however agree to shake your hand and walk away from this ridiculously stupid and sophomoric argument.

My times on that night with CAI and Flash. Were mid 13's I'll try to find the time slips and post.Since I've added pulleys gears etc.Thev'e come down to low 13's in hot weather.Cars never been to the track in under 80 degree weather.http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/amznblue/100_0612.jpg

First off it was never my intent to get into a fight with anyone.I just posted MY EXPIERIANCE that is all.Just like the houndreds that posted their's before me I never engaged in an argument with them.If they said the've beaten or have seen A GTO beat a 05 plus GT that is their expieriance.I was just stating mine before being bum rushed.I can only go by what I saw first hand.When making an argument from behind a computer somtimes it helps to show literature but that can be debated as well.To all the GTO guy's best of luck to you.P.S how did they fit that big of an engine in a Grand Prix?

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My times on that night with CAI and Flash. Were mid 13's I'll try to find the time slips and post.Since I've added pulleys gears etc.Thev'e come down to low 13's in hot weather.Cars never been to the track in under 80 degree weather.http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/amznblue/100_0612.jpg


This car looks familiar. LOL

P.S how did they fit that big of an engine in a Grand Prix?


They probably had help from the same blind guy that designed your car. :)

Had to get that last little jab in there, eh Go Blue 48044??

You just contradicted yourself after the statement you made in your first sentence of your last post.

Anyways, nice looking car you have.

This is why I cringe whenever a noob 05+GT owner posts in here...........always a good chance they're gonna set the rest of us S197 owners back in the rep department.[:@]

Hi C6vette.Was going to PM you thought you'd be getting a kick out of it.Thanks Dan04 yea If I'm going to be accused of trash talkinf might as well do a little.LOL

Nah, most of us have already figured out which of you guys know something and the others bought their first V8 and have something to prove.

I wouldn't sweat it.

4.10 gears seem to be a pretty popular mod for the Mustang crowd. I wonder what would happen if I swapped my 2.73's for 4.10's? Hmmm...

Previous Mustangs..1968 289 1988 gt 302 not exactley my first v8.But if your getting times like that out of your stock GTO nice work.

Great you're and excellent driver. I have an 05 GTO M6 and I can't break 13's. I am stuck at