Who do you guys think would win, an 90 non turbo stock auto 300zx, or a 94 gt auto stock?

The stang, no question. I can beat Stock turbo 300ZX with my 91 5 spd GT by 2-3 cars

I can run faster than a 300z with no turbo

Dumb ???? of course the stang

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by 91GT5.0 on 24 March 2003<hr>
The stang, no question. I can beat Stock turbo 300ZX with my 91 5 spd GT by 2-3 cars

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EDIT: Excuse me, that was when my car was STOCK except for the air silencer delete mod

Yeah..non turbos are garbage..

300zx i beat plenty of stangs with my old 300zx now im looking at a 95 stang though

definetly the gt the non turbo suck but the twin turbos are the ones you have to watch out for.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by cornhusker85 on 31 March 2003<hr>
300zx i beat plenty of stangs with my old 300zx now im looking at a 95 stang though



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You're on crack boy.....

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by cornhusker85 on 31 March 2003<hr>
300zx i beat plenty of stangs with my old 300zx now im looking at a 95 stang though



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Your 300zx HAD to have been turboed, and then it would HAD to have aftermarket turbo's. I killed TT 300zx's in my stock GT. Especially on the freeway where I got more room

NICE wish my stang could beat my other car...that's how messed upt he stang is....lol oh well...i'll fix it ...

LOL! you guys must be racing some crappy 300's. ive had two non-turbo 1990+ 300's, and one twin turbo. the non turbo 2seater i had ran 14.9@93 with nothing but exhaust and air intake, and the 2+2 model i had ran 15.1@94, but both of those were 5 speeds. the twin turbo would eat any stock mustang for breakfast running 13.6@106 bone stock. the only thing holding those cars back is a good driver, and a properly maintenenced engine.



maybe you guys are thinking about the older 80's model 300s??? either way i think a 94gt auto vs. a 90+300zx non turbo would be a pretty close race, but i'll say the gt should win, but not by much.

my buddy had two non turbos, one auto, and one 5-speed. both simi quick, and he was a good driver with a properly maint. eng. however, his auto 90' would have been beaten by a stock 94' gt

Well, all the drivers I went against must have sucked bad because I never had a problem pulling 2-3 cars on 'em

i love to hear that!!

i feel sorry for a 5.0 owner that can't run a 14.9 like u say ur 300 zx ran

I was in a 91 300zx non turbo with a 5 and it was rather quick, although tha Stang would win. Also, imports aren't that bad, dude, chill!

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by DougBlevins on 07 April 2003<hr>
i feel sorry for a 5.0 owner that can't run a 14.9 like u say ur 300 zx ran

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true, but its not gonna be as bad a loss stock vs. stock, as some of you are making it out to be. keep in mind the 94-95 5.0 is the slowest of the pack as far as the 5liter motor is concerened. with a good driver they usually can do high to mid 14's, with a lower trap speed than the z. the listed hp is 215, compared to the z's 222. i'll say it again, it should be a close race, but the stangs torque will win it off the line. the z will probably start pulling slightly on the upper end though, just not enough to make a difference in the 1/4.

u got that right, the '94 and '95 breed of mustangs w/ the horizonal tail lights r the mark of the beast. although the new body style from the fox mustang did look good, they were very sick in the performance department. if u do the same stuff to a '93 that u do to a '94 5.0, the '93 will b much quicker.

LOL all imports suck.... they are nothing without their turbos and TT, and stickers......who can forget about the stickers. And yes since when is TT bone stock?

Imports are ass. An R emblem dont make you fast.

Hey buddy take your head out your ass! Why do imports suck? lets see...cause they get the most hp per liter...or because they don't break as often as v8 domestics? Iknow your probably talking about those stupid honda ricers. I just think it's wrong to hate on ALL imports.

My Nissan Maxima STOCK with a 3.0L V6 and 5speed transmition can run a 14.8 bone stock. With my mods, it's capable of running low 14s.



Oh and I beat on 5.0s and newer GTs all day long. Peace

-Paul

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by Killnboy on 08 April 2003<hr>
LOL all imports suck.... they are nothing without their turbos and TT, and stickers......who can forget about the stickers. And yes since when is TT bone stock?



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wow. how old are you? 12? all z's since the late 70's have came STOCK with a turbo option, and the 90-96 300zx's came STOCK with twin turbos and 300hp. i used to love taking money from idiots like you at the street races. and the only sticker on my z said nissan beside my tail lights. quite a few mustang/camaro owners got to read it too.



if you want to make the arguement that imports are nothing without turbos, 5.0's were nothing without there two extra cylinders and 2extra liters of displacement. the n/a 3.0 v6 in the z makes 222hp, while the stock 94-95 5.0's made 215hp with two extra cylinders. still want to make that arguement??

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by lloydchristmas on 08 April 2003<hr>
Imports are ass. An R emblem dont make you fast.

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no, but neither do flowmasters or 5ft cowl hoods with a stock motor, but plenty of late model mustang owners seem to think so. whats wrong, get smoked by a 4 banger? you guys are really not too open minded are you. ive owned plenty of v8's and fast imports and they both have there advantages. jesus christ, grow up.

Im having trouble replying to this because I dont know how it feels to lose to a 4 cylinder piece of japanese sh!t. As soon as it happens I'll let you know. Until then keep enjoying your imports and work hard a getting those 14 second time slips.

By the way beating an 83 Berlinetta is not the same as beating a real Camaro.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by lloydchristmas on 09 April 2003<hr>
Im having trouble replying to this because I dont know how it feels to lose to a 4 cylinder piece of japanese sh!t. As soon as it happens I'll let you know. Until then keep enjoying your imports and work hard a getting those 14 second time slips.

By the way beating an 83 Berlinetta is not the same as beating a real Camaro.

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your having trouble replying b/c you dont know sh!t about cars, and your talking out of your ignorant a$$. i bet your 16, just got your license, and dont know how to change your own spark plugs LOL. ive got news for you. there is always somone, or something faster, and you WILL get beat by a 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, and other 8cylinders whether they are import or not, unless you are just too scared to race. you have ALOT to learn, so until then please refrain from posting things you know nothing about.

i am not afraid to admit, my drag car (a 351W powered 67' mustang) has had its ass handed to it by an all motor 4cylinder drag car running low 10's. there are some out there running low 9's all motor, so nothing is impossible. the list of imports running better than 13's is growing every day. just to give an example of whats possible why dont you read this. its a 300zxtt drag car that running a little better that 14's as you say. ITS RUNNING 7.40'S IN THE 1/4.



http://www.escort-us.com/files/info.html ("")



there are faster ones than that too. so please sit down and stfu. read, and learn moron.

1 word: IMPORT, ur gt should blow it away, its not even turbo

what's wrong with being 12?

See us american cars are naturally aspired, since we don't need them, unless you wanna put one on your 5.0 and run like 8s...... bitch and yes i want to make an arguement

Turbos that is......

what was your point in showing that a mustang 6 cylinder is equal with your car?

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by Killnboy on 09 April 2003<hr>
See us american cars are naturally aspired, since we don't need them, unless you wanna put one on your 5.0 and run like 8s...... bitch and yes i want to make an arguement

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ok then why does a stock 5.0 have 215hp, and a stock NON-TURBOCHARGED(that means it does not have turbos) v6 nissan have 222hp? damn you have 2 more liters and 2 more cylinders, and cant even match the hp of a little v6? i thought you didnt need turbos?? and putting a turbo on a 5.0 would cause it to promptly blow a rod through the side of the block since they are such weak engines stock. the stock nissan block will handle 800hp without breaking, but the 5.0 needs a crank, and rods to get past 450 usually, so there goes your "ill run 8's theory". and im not just talking sh*t either, this is from experience, somthing you obviosly dont have.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by Killnboy on 09 April 2003<hr>
what was your point in showing that a mustang 6 cylinder is equal with your car?

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i dont have my z anymore, i sold it, but this discussion makes me wish i still had it. and how do you think a v6 mustang is gonna keep up with a 300hp car? are you that stupid? hell there has never been a v8 mustang made that could keep up with it stock, with exception to the new cobra, but thats to be expected since it took ford 13 years to match the performance of a nissan v6.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by Killnboy on 09 April 2003<hr>
See us american cars are naturally aspired, since we don't need them, unless you wanna put one on your 5.0 and run like 8s...... bitch and yes i want to make an arguement



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Naturally aspired? lol...



How many 5.0s are in the 8s with just a supercharger? Just curious..because I don't know of anything running 8s with forced induction alone (cars, that is).



I honestly don't see why you guys hate imports so much. I'm on a few import forums, and they (the vast majority, anyways) respect domestics..no reason why you shouldn't do the same for them. If you feel like your Mustang makes you better than some other guy with his MR2, Supra, or whatever, fine..but don't go hating them for it. Respect is a two way street. =)

&lt;/opinion&gt;



FYI -- there's an "edit" button..you don't need to post four times in a row. ;)

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by CadetLee on 09 April 2003<hr>
Naturally aspired? lol...



How many 5.0s are in the 8s with just a supercharger? Just curious..because I don't know of anything running 8s with forced induction alone (cars, that is).



I honestly don't see why you guys hate imports so much. I'm on a few import forums, and they (the vast majority, anyways) respect domestics..no reason why you shouldn't do the same for them. If you feel like your Mustang makes you better than some other guy with his MR2, Supra, or whatever, fine..but don't go hating them for it. Respect is a two way street. =)

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exactly. you are the first person ive seen on here with any sense. i dont even own an import anymore, but i have much respect for alot of them. with what other car on earth besides a supra, can you bolt on a huge turbo, and make 900hp without touching the internals of the motor?..........definately NOT a mustang, and i respect the imports for that. modding my 300zx was the easiest thing on earth to make 400hp. all i did was add a chip, exh, and intake. try to make 400 that easy on a 5.0. these people are morons, for thinking that just because they have a v8, that it automatically makes them better than an import.

I must say, though -- I would really love to pick up a Mustang...saw a nice Cobra today..can't wait until I finish college..bleh. =)

I have a 94 Auto BONE STOCK and it feels pretty slow. But I am used to my Vette. I think this thing needs gears real bad to let it rev up faster. A B303 cam, Headers, and exhaust would liven it up. Also, mine is a vert so its heavier. A 5 speed coupe is a different car altogether.



A TT 300 zx would beat the Auto Stang by a lot in my opinion. The non turbos are pigs though. I have raced a TT 300 z when I had an NSX with headers and exhaust. The 300 must not have been stock, because he got me, and the NSX used to do low 12's.

The best thing about the Mustang in my opinion is the price of hop-up parts. You can get one moving pretty fast with very little $$$ compared to other cars.



Be careful of any Turbo car.......



I am going to design my own custom TT system for the Vette, Turbo is the best power adder of all!

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by 351stang on 09 April 2003<hr>
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ok then why does a stock 5.0 have 215hp, and a stock NON-TURBOCHARGED(that means it does not have turbos) v6 nissan have 222hp? damn you have 2 more liters and 2 more cylinders, and cant even match the hp of a little v6?



and putting a turbo on a 5.0 would cause it to promptly blow a rod through the side of the block since they are such weak engines stock.



the stock nissan block will handle 800hp without breaking, but the 5.0 needs a crank, and rods to get past 450 usually, so there goes your "ill run 8's theory". and im not just talking sh*t either, this is from experience, somthing you obviosly dont have.



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*steps up on soapbox*



Here's some nifty little info for the un-informed, wanna sound cool guy I just quoted:



A. It's not about horses. It's about torque. Something Domestic motors, ESPECIALLY V8's are known for, weather n/a or f/i.



B. The 5.0 can make 500 horses on a completely BONE STOCK motor. http://www.turbodrivenconcepts.com makes a turbo kit that acomplishes this, along with 750 horses on a stock bottom end. There are drag turbo kits capable of 1900 plus horses, with a block that's been o-ringed w/ ARP head bolts and copper gaskets. YOU need to do your research before you yack and look like a moron.



C. You sir, know NOTHING about the 5.0 motor and are making weakly based asumptions. You also, heaven forbid, know NOTHING about this lil V6 vs the lil V8. More displacement, more torque, more cylinders, MUCH more potential. This all coming from a General Motors guy.



In closing, do NOT come on here acting like you know everything and everybody else is right. You WILL be caught in your lies and be made a fool. Get your f**kin act together and shut it.



*steps down*

*looks and wonders how pathetic someone is for pretending to step up on a soapbox??, and making gay little astrics to sybolize him doing it*



A. the turbocharged 300zx engine at higher than stock boost levels makes much more torque than horsepower. i know b/c i dynoed 376rwhp and 405rwtq at 14psi of boost on stock turbos. on the n/a motor it will make a difference off the line 1/4 racing from a stop, but from a roll the 222hp z engine is going to start pulling and passing the stang. nobody said they were going from a stop did they?



B. i have built several 5.0's, and you are the one who needs to do the research. the cast crank on the 5.0, will not last long at all at 500hp, and the injectors wont make it nowhere near that far. when tuning a turbocharged engine to its peak, you will encounter detonation and its all over for the pistons, crank, or rods at some point. your never gonna get 500hp reliably like a z motor. PERIOD. as for the 750hp, you can just reread above about the 500hp.



C. i know more about this motor than you think. my conclusions arent based on asumtions, they are based on working in a machine shop for 6 years, and watching motor after motor come in, and hearing the stories about what happened to them. in *stock* form they have more displacement, but alot less potential because they are not as strong as the z's all forged internals. now in modified form, you can do more with the 5.0 b/c of the aftermarket, but i never said anything about the motor not having potential in modified form, they just SUCK in stock form. and you are the moron for not realizing that.



thank you for making a FOOL of YOURSELF, b/c your ignorance has really made for a good laugh. when you know what your talking about please come back again. until thin STFU, AND SIT DOWN.



sincerely,

YOUR OWNER

I just have to make a comment about the making 900 horsepower with a stock Supra motor. That is nonsense. Any engine at that power level needs major mods. Same with a 5.0 motor. The Westech dyno book for 5.0's shows a stock bottom end 302 making 638 horsepower. Granted at that level parts won't live long but they did go on to say at the 500+ level that very motor lived a long life in autocross racing.



I personally don't hate imports. I hate imports that "act" bigger than they are. Stupid loud blow off valves and 5" trash can exhaust pipes. Every import at the local track here blew chunks running 14-15 second qtr's. With noss... The only fast one was a turbo gutted drag Civic running 10's. The crowd almost choked because it was the first fast fart box they had seen all night.

I agree with devins. I also do not hate all imports. Just those civics and accords. My philosophy is that if in the cars description it says sportscar, or something along those lines, I respect it. It does not matter if it can beat me or not, as long as it is an actual sports car like a supra, or an eclipse, I respect it. I feel that people who hate cars just for the reason that is is made in Japan, is not a good reason.

basically what all this arguing boils down to is this: if the guy driving the GT knows how to drive, he's gonna beat the non turboed nissan.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by 351stang on 10 April 2003<hr>
*looks and wonders how pathetic someone is for pretending to step up on a soapbox??, and making gay little astrics to sybolize him doing it*



A. the turbocharged 300zx engine at higher than stock boost levels makes much more torque than horsepower. i know b/c i dynoed 376rwhp and 405rwtq at 14psi of boost on stock turbos. on the n/a motor it will make a difference off the line 1/4 racing from a stop, but from a roll the 222hp z engine is going to start pulling and passing the stang. nobody said they were going from a stop did they?



B. i have built several 5.0's, and you are the one who needs to do the research. the cast crank on the 5.0, will not last long at all at 500hp, and the injectors wont make it nowhere near that far. when tuning a turbocharged engine to its peak, you will encounter detonation and its all over for the pistons, crank, or rods at some point. your never gonna get 500hp reliably like a z motor. PERIOD. as for the 750hp, you can just reread above about the 500hp.



C. i know more about this motor than you think. my conclusions arent based on asumtions, they are based on working in a machine shop for 6 years, and watching motor after motor come in, and hearing the stories about what happened to them. in *stock* form they have more displacement, but alot less potential because they are not as strong as the z's all forged internals. now in modified form, you can do more with the 5.0 b/c of the aftermarket, but i never said anything about the motor not having potential in modified form, they just SUCK in stock form. and you are the moron for not realizing that.



thank you for making a FOOL of YOURSELF, b/c your ignorance has really made for a good laugh. when you know what your talking about please come back again. until thin STFU, AND SIT DOWN.



sincerely,

YOUR OWNER

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Wanna get technical? A turbo engine isn't what the rated displacement is. Ask any engineer, turbo, or supercharged engines, have more volume in them (aka...displacement). So yeah, back up right there.



I never said how long the crank would last, did I? I just said it will last up there. I'm sure with some filleting on the journals and some upgraded bearings you could hit 750 as well. Again, it may not last long, but it will not spit a rod out of the block as you make it sound (immediately would be my interpritation).



Blown motors eh? Ever think that tuning has an effect on the lifetime of a motor? Gee....tune it just a little too lean, run it hard, and you WILL run into problems.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by jeep45238 on 10 April 2003<hr>
Wanna get technical? A turbo engine isn't what the rated displacement is. Ask any engineer, turbo, or supercharged engines, have more volume in them (aka...displacement). So yeah, back up right there.<hr></blockquote>

WRONG. just because your pumping more air into an engine via turbo/superch/n2o, that doesnt increase its rated displacement, it just adds more oxygen to the fire. that arguement makes absolutely no sense, and it would be a good laugh to hear an engineer set you straight.



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I never said how long the crank would last, did I? I just said it will last up there. I'm sure with some filleting on the journals and some upgraded bearings you could hit 750 as well. <hr></blockquote>



well then, it wouldnt be stock anymore would it?? your condradicting yourself there. the 5.0 is a weak motor stock, that was my only point. its not gonna last like the z motor can stock. also the e heads on the 5.0 dont flow worth a sh*t, and the z heads are like something off a ferrari. that was my only point. RESPECT THAT.





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Blown motors eh? Ever think that tuning has an effect on the lifetime of a motor? Gee....tune it just a little too lean, run it hard, and you WILL run into problems.

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ok that was my point?? i dont get why your repeating me? if you wanna pull 500+ hp your gonna have to tune, and run it hard. the z motor will handle it better than the 5.0. PERIOD.





my main point of argueing is just to say its idiotic to just act like domestic v8's are the one and only performance choice people have. you people act like if its imported its crap just because of your experiences with 17 second civics with fart cans. there are fast imports, and they are well engineered and very strong vehicles. learn to respect that, or look like a fool when a little volkwagon, nissan, toyota, hell even honda blows your doors off. cause if you race, its prolly gonna happen.



it reminds me of when it was better to get a c4 ford transmission with a J stamping on it b/c they lasted longer and were made in japan. you cant argue with the better quality japan made motors come from the factory with these days.

I agree with you in that if you race enough you are bound to lose eventually to someone. However, of all the years of "street" racing I've done, not once have I seen a souped up "front" driver take out a souped up V8 domestic. If the day ever comes(still waiting..) that a rice rocket blows my doors off, I will pull back up next to him and give him a thumbs up. I respect the cars that are built but where are all the 10/11 second imports? I'm not talking about gutted drag cars w/slicks at the track. True street drivers.. I live in North Cal and I don't see them here.

i personally dont care about the fwd imports either, and they are few and far between. all im pointing out is dont judge all imports by their example. its easy as bolt-ons to get supra's, 300zx's, rx7's, dsm's, vr4's into the 11's. ive outran souped up supercharged 5.0's on the interstate plenty of times with a mildly modded 300zx, so it is possible

Everyone is partial to their brand of vehicle and we are in a "Mustang" forum. Of course people are going to protect what they drive. I'm cool with any fast car regardless of what it is. I chose Mustang because it's cheap, parts are massively abundant, and power is very easy to come by. Have you priced a used Supra lately? No thanks. And upgrading turbos,computer,etc? That's out of my league. It's like the old saying goes "speed costs money. how fast you wanna go?". You've got a 351 Stang..come on and help us rag on the imports...



Just to show you I'm impressed with imports potential power. Check out this link to some cool video's. Especially the 10.69 quarter mile blast in a stock looking Supra. Now that's cool!



www.drivetoish.co.uk/

personally i hate ricers. i make fun of the 17 second fart machines just like any other mustang/domestic/fast import owner. however im not cocky enough to think that there arent imports out there that can compete with me like some people seem to think that posted on this thread. i'll admit there are prolly 1000 fast mustangs to every one fast import, but thats kinda what makes them cool to me. they are rare, especially the z's, 7's, ect, and are almost like luxery cars on the inside, but pure performance on the outside. cool cars, you dont see as much as you do mustangs.



i have a mustang for about the same reasons as you,its pretty cheap, and easy to go fast in a mustang, and damn easy to work on. but if it was all about how fast you can go for xx amount of dollars easily, i would be driving a chevy. you kinda get what im sayin? its not all about 1/4 performance per dollar to some people. to some its a good mix of style, perf, and cost. thats why alot of people like mustangs instead of an ugly late model camaro (imo maybe not yours). or a good handling fast import, instead of a straight line mustang.

Wooo...doesn't make sense? LOL



Take a given room that's sealed off. A bathroom for example, that has 30 cubic feet of air in it sea level. That's 1 bar of pressure. Now, force in enough air to raise the pressure to 19 overall bar. That's an additional 18 bar. More volume, technically. So in a sense, the displacement does increase, even though the size of an engine stays the same.



I know that domestic V8's are not the only performance option. BUT, in MY eyes, they are the best.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by jeep45238 on 10 April 2003<hr>
Wooo...doesn't make sense? LOL



Take a given room that's sealed off. A bathroom for example, that has 30 cubic feet of air in it sea level. That's 1 bar of pressure. Now, force in enough air to raise the pressure to 19 overall bar. That's an additional 18 bar. More volume, technically. So in a sense, the displacement does increase, even though the size of an engine stays the same <hr></blockquote>



your not making any sense right now. displacement of an engine is the volume a piston displaces in a single stroke. now when i say volume, that could be air, water, solid matter, whatever. volume is a space plain and simple. you just can fill that space with more air, than you can say a solid, or liquid. the thing about air is its made up of very spread apart atoms that can be compressed easily, unlike water, or solid matter. that means you can stuff more air into any given space,and that is what raises the pressure, but your NOT changing the displacement, only the space between the atoms of the several elements that make up our atmosphere. you understand yet, or do i need to school you some more? no hard feelings man, you just need to learn more about what your talking about.



<blockquote>Quote: I know that domestic V8's are not the only performance option. BUT, in MY eyes, they are the best.<hr>
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nobody ever said they werent. im just saying dont put down the little v6's, I6's that outrun you. ever heard of the buik gnx?? its a domestic v6 that will own your v8 with the right mods. a smaller lighter car with a lighter v6/I6 is alot of fun. you should actually drive one, instead of bench racing them online, and maybe you would gain a little RESPECT.

<blockquote>Quote: Originally posted by jeep45238 on 10 April 2003<hr>
Wooo...doesn't make sense? LOL



Take a given room that's sealed off. A bathroom for example, that has 30 cubic feet of air in it sea level. That's 1 bar of pressure. Now, force in enough air to raise the pressure to 19 overall bar. That's an additional 18 bar. More volume, technically. So in a sense, the displacement does increase, even though the size of an engine stays the same.



I know that domestic V8's are not the only performance option. BUT, in MY eyes, they are the best.

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Wait a second...so a turbocharger will turn my 1.8L into a 2.4!?!?!? :D



Uh...no. =)





dis·place·ment ** *P***Pronunciation Key**(ds-plsmnt)

The volume displaced by a single stroke of a piston in an engine or pump.



vol·ume ** *P***Pronunciation Key**(vlym, -ym)

The amount of space occupied by a three-dimensional object or region of space, expressed in cubic units.

The capacity of such a region or of a specified container, expressed in cubic units.





=)

I understand what jeep's saying though. It's hard to explain into words. You put more air into an engine, it's goinna produce more power. The thing is, a lot of those cars NEED forced induction to get the hp numbers they get. And as far as the argument about I4's and V6's having less cylinders and still able to keep up with a Mustang, put a turbo onto a 5.0 and then try that race again. It's comparing apples and oranges. Also, everybody here knows that Ford choked the stangs as far as the heads and intake go. Performance isn't based only on # of cylinders. Everybody knows that given equal flowing heads and intake, a V8 will take a V6/I4 any day.

Besides, a lot of the imports in question are geared to get that performance, and you're comparing this to a stock Mustang, which comes with 2.73's. Those in itself are a power robber. This argument really has to many factors to really say which are better, it's all pretty much based on opinions

The volume of air in the engine is increased, even though the size of the engine stays the same.



Damn, I thought I put it into simple words. Guess not. I do know what I am talking about, and apparently, you failed to see it from my side of the fence.

Its the not the imports and chevys that we hate, its the assclowns that drive them that we hate.

This argument is so pathetic that everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you all no points and may God have mercy on your souls.