stock? its a decent race, but the gto DEF has the edge. bolt-ons its up in the air. i've personally never lost to a gto. beat one several times at the track by more than half a second and a couple mph
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Sorry guys, but what year GTOs are you refering to, because i have an 05 , which is stock and i won't race 05-06 Gts on the street, unless they have bolt ons. I am not trying to be a prick, but every race i have encountered has been at least a 3-4 car advantage. I have even given some one a car and a break, which means i gave him a full car lead and let him take off and i continuosly beat him 3 cars from that vantage point and this guy can drive and has run 13.5 at 104, with CAI, Exhaust, and a tune. I consistantly run 12.7 -12.8 at 109-108, with a 1.9 60' at Atco, with only Nittos. If you are referring to the 04, then ok, because they are not as fast. Don't get me wrong i have always been a Mustang guy I had four, all ran faster than the 13 second 1/4, without getting into specifics. It is true some guys cannot drive them, but many Mustang drivers can't drive either and keep in mind there are a lot more GTs on the street than GTOs so when you run accross a crapy driver, people tend to generalize the population. So, to answer your question even further, both driver being equal, with proper air and manual, the 05 GTO will when by at least .5 and I would give the Mustang a .3 edge over the 04. I am goning on experience and not what i have been told. I am at the track wacthing and racing at least three times a month.
Sorry guys, but what year GTOs are you refering to, because i have an 05 , which is stock and i won't race 05-06 Gts on the street, unless they have bolt ons. I am not trying to be a prick, but every race i have encountered has been at least a 3-4 car advantage. I have even given some one a car and a break, which means i gave him a full car lead and let him take off and i continuosly beat him 3 cars from that vantage point and this guy can drive and has run 13.5 at 104, with CAI, Exhaust, and a tune. I consistantly run 12.7 -12.8 at 109-108, with a 1.9 60' at Atco, with only Nittos. If you are referring to the 04, then ok, because they are not as fast. Don't get me wrong i have always been a Mustang guy I had four, all ran faster than the 13 second 1/4, without getting into specifics. It is true some guys cannot drive them, but many Mustang drivers can't drive either and keep in mind there are a lot more GTs on the street than GTOs so when you run accross a crapy driver, people tend to generalize the population. So, to answer your question even further, both driver being equal, with proper air and manual, the 05 GTO will when by at least .5 and I would give the Mustang a .3 edge over the 04. I am goning on experience and not what i have been told. I am at the track wacthing and racing at least three times a month.
fat nick...
should i post the time slips of me absolutely demolishing a bolt-on 05 (ls2) gto a week or so ago? they do not run 12s, but especially not 109mph traps ESPECIALLY with drag radials. they are faster than a gt stock, and sound badass, but they are not faster than a terminator or corvette in stock trim pal.
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I think it's an unwritten rule here in the Street/Strip forums to take any fast car, subtract .5 seconds from the actual 1/4 mile capability of the car, and then post the resulting time and claim that anyone with a pulse can duplicate said results. Thus SRT-8's now run 12.8-12.9's, GTO's run 12.7's-12.8's, 03 Cobra's run 12.4's, C6 ZO6's run low 11's, etc. etc....
here is some video i took of one at the track. the DA was just under 3000 that day. the GTO are not as fast as people have been saying if u ask me. i cannot wait till i run into one adn beat him from a roll, then they ask if i was spraying. hahaha, nope.
I've raced a stock 05 GTO 6 speed and An 06 GTO with air-bag suspension mods (supposed to reduce wheel hop and improve traction) and the rusult was the same both times, They lost to my stage 2 srt-4 with other supporting mods! Usally the drivers of the goat just sits and spins at the line and then winds up with a mid to high 13 second run. I've yet to see a goat break into the 12's at atco or cecil county drag way. I'm sure there's GTO's out there that can run 12's with a few minor mods and a goodtune but I doubt many stock goats are going to break into the 12's
Sleeper o5: I never mentioned antthing about a terminator or Vette. If that is the case, i could tell you my Grandnational will beat a GT, the question was if an 05 -06 Gt could win against a GTO. I have nothing to do with you demolishing a bolt on GTO. Obviously, the GTO guy could not drive, or has a tuning problem. I have video and time slips to prove. in fact I don't know what part of town you are in, but i will be at Atco next thursday and Atco is known for a fast track. I would love for your stock Gt to demolish my GTO. I would bet what ever you would like, just to prove drivers are the true mod. Dude i have street raced for over 15 years and there is know way in hell, a GT with a comparable driver is going to beat the GTO. The numbers just won't match. I have yet to see a GT run 13.0-13.2 stock, not saying it never happens, but I never saw one. Now if the GTO is an 04, then there is know arguement. As stated before, I don't internet race, i do this and for Money. As for the 03-04 Cobra as mentioned, that car is a different animal. The Cobra is the modern day Grandnational. it can be hard to figure out what type of work has been done and is a hard car to bet on. And for Blazer 4.3. The camaro with bolt ons is a beast, with a good driver. I have driven my friend's SS 11.7 at 119 , his car dynos 440 to the rears. There is no doubt they can be fast, but if you are running 104 as your sig says, from a roll you will lose to a good driver. Go to LS2GTO and see what stock 05-06 GTOs are running. And with the same mods you have, they are running mid to low twelves. i stated before that there are not many GTOs on the street, so therefore, if there are bad drivers, then everyone will say the car is slow. I could make a living off of racing the guys without the knowlegde on these cars. Please, keep posting how slow these cars are so i could continue to take money from these mis-informed individuals, who internet race. Sorry guys, but i am in the field racing and watching, not watching videos of guys with bad times. i am willing to bet if someone else were to drive the GTO on the Film, the outcome would be different. I am not bashing the GT, but stop saying a car with a true 400 HP is slow. The trail blazer SS is runing low 14s to high thirteens stock and low thirteens with a converter, tune and CAI, with the LS2, so use common sense here people, the GTO is a low 13 second car from the factory period. Put tires on and slip the cluch and 12s are there. and yes, they are trapping 107-109 as bad as it sounds. Oh. i know they aren't the best looking cars, but with staggered 18 inch AZA Z-1s I get constant attention.
Dude, i looked at that video again. Man are you serious about that??????? It is obvious that run was not right. 14.5 at 99. Common man come better than that. That is exactly what i am saying. You guys are basing what you see on video to be true. That guy can't drive. please don't use that as a basis, because the right driver will show you different. SRT, how often do you go to Acto, because i would love to go the same time, so that you could see a twelve second GTO. Not saying your car is slow, because i know what the SRT-4 can do with mods. i have respect for every car that has potential and i never take a car lightly, until he shows me his a..s to kiss. You even stated how the GTO spins and still ran a mid - high thirteen. Without tires i still ran a 13.0 at 108. Now i have 275/35/18s and i bet in good weather, i could still run in the twelves.
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hey fatman, i like ur attitude. but wasnt there 6 passes on that vid? all in the 14.0-14.5@98-100? he made over 10 passes that day, never cracked a 13. i think i posted a kill story i had a few days ago with a 06 gto 6 spd. i was having throttle cable issues and the car was not downshifting. we did a 20 roll with me starting in 2nd and i am going to assume he started in 1st. well from 20-50ish he barely had a car on me. he was pulling the entire time. if i was to have started in 1st i think it wouldve been a dead even race. if anything, he is not going to pull me till after 80. and after 100 i will stop his pull. that is honestly how i think the race will go down.
anyway i posted the same thing that i am about to say now on a differnet forum. fatman, if you know of any NEAR STOCK or stock GTO's that are near fargo, or after 2 weeks i will be living in daytona. set up the race. i am all for it. i now my car is modded, but i am only putting 267 at the tires whereas the GTO is puting 350.
I'll meet you there bro (Atco) we''ll line up my 12 second neon and your 12 second goat and see who wins. But you might want to bolt on an exhaust and get a tune because like I stated above I've raced 2 stock GTO's already.
new gto is a mid to high 14 seccar i seen them allday in ennis 1/4 mile track...06 stang runs high 13s low 14s with a good driver... seen several races between the 2...
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I will be there and hopefully it won't be 100 degrees out. my tag reads the same Fatman. my car is blk/blk M6. i just wish you had an 05-GT, and as stated before, Neons (SRT-4) can be made to run fast, so i think we will have a good race.
hellas85stang, your joking right. if you are serious, common man. Give respect to the cars. If i saw a 2002 Z06 run 13.0, which i have, i am not going to say that all C5 Z06s run 13.0s, i am going to say the driver is not driving his car to its full potential. same as if i saw an 05-GT running 14.5. I know a 300 HP Gt has the potential to run 13s, but i am not going to say they are slow. and keep in mind you may have saw an 04 GTO. and yes, i have seen 04 GTOs run mid 14s.
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hey fatman, i like ur attitude. but wasnt there 6 passes on that vid? all in the 14.0-14.5@98-100? he made over 10 passes that day, never cracked a 13.
In my g/f's first outing with her '01 Z28, she didn't make it into the 13's. 14's all night. Does that mean that LS1 Camaros are 14 second cars? Uhhhh no.
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new gto is a mid to high 14 seccar
You are forever banished from Street/Strip. I run mid 13's (best is 13.34) and a new GTO would manhandle me.
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by the way BluebeastSRt, i have a buddy, who is dynoing over 600 hp in his SRT-4, when i see you i could introduce you to him, if you want. You may have a tuner already, just thought i would throw that at you, because he owns a shop that specializes in the SRT-4.
Well 600hp in a neon is silly but im going to go 50 trim and laydown 400. I unfortunately have to drive the skittle back and forth to work so i have to keep it reasonable.
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hey fatman, i like ur attitude. but wasnt there 6 passes on that vid? all in the 14.0-14.5@98-100? he made over 10 passes that day, never cracked a 13.
In my g/f's first outing with her '01 Z28, she didn't make it into the 13's. 14's all night. Does that mean that LS1 Camaros are 14 second cars? Uhhhh no.
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new gto is a mid to high 14 seccar
You are forever banished from Street/Strip. I run mid 13's (best is 13.34) and a new GTO would manhandle me.
was she auto or 6spd? LS1 are not 14 sec cars. but in bad weather they are. just try and understand where i am coming from. i run 13.4@101.5 consistent at this track. this was the guys first time at the track, i will give him that. but it was not his 1st 6spd car. i DO NOT see in any way this car picking up 5 or more mph in that DA.
anyway find me a GTO to run and prove me wrong. i will gladly tell you that my info was misleading. till then, they are slower then the AVG ls1 fbody.
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