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Old 07-10-2006, 03:39 AM   #1
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Default 302 problems no low end

Hi all new here. seems like alot of knowledgeable people here, sorry for such a long first post.

Heres the run down.I built this engine for my 66 mustang (289 was done)Heres what i have in the engine H.O Flat tops .30 all arp bolts etc stock rods, edelbrock RPM heads w/ trick flow 1.6 rockers, RPM air gap intake, Ford racing E303 cam, 670 cfm holley, all MSD ignition. I had the car on the DYNO long enough to find out jetting was dead on but i had a small oil leak and had to stop the run.

The problem is no torque it lugs off the line and never really pulls i can be at a 30mph roll in 2nd go back to 1st gear it will rev to 6000 no problem but it just sounds good i'm really not going anywhere. For what i have in this engine it should pull way better then it does. I went over timing,cam timing, air leaks checked plugs everything is how it should be but it just dont run right i'm lost.
The trans is a TCI built C4 with a 1900-2100 stall. 9ich rear with 3.70 gears.
I looking more at the cam being the problem not enough stall for the power band, the car is more of a street machine then a racer although i want to hold my own in a little red light to red light action.
I never had a SBF with all new parts run like this one i bet the problem is something i'm over looking.
Any help would greatly be appreciated.
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Old 07-10-2006, 04:04 AM   #2
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Default RE: 302 problems no low end

initial timing and how much fully advanced? You put the cam in straight up?
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Old 07-10-2006, 10:28 AM   #3
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Hey,
Sounds like an awsome package, but your stall sounds too low for the combo you are have. I have a similar combo but with a slightly smaller cam and it calls for at least a 2500 stall. I dont beleive that is totally to blame for your problem, but it is definatly robbing you of some off the line, low end power.
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:03 PM   #4
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The cam is set +4 (get more compression at low rpms). I really dont want a big stall, my wife does drive the car once and a while and she wouldnt like it or she would end up in someones living room. I'm trying to find a way i can get more low end grunt without hurting the drivability too much.
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:46 PM   #5
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what is the intial timing and total timing?
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:42 AM   #6
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The guy thats doing the down work (when i can keep him on the job) has it running at 15 and 28-30 total.
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:46 AM   #7
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I run 10 degrees at 1000rpm, and 38 total by 2500rpm with a bit larger cam.
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:50 AM   #8
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Default RE: 302 problems no low end

If you can, post some pics of your engine. Not from 30 feet away, but a nice overall underhood shot. Sometimes things jump out at you when looking at a pic like that. its really difficult to diagnose a problem online, more info always helps.

Even with the stall you have it should leave a couple black marks when you floor it. Have you checked the brakes? Is the park brake on? I know silly question but you would be surprised at how many times something like that is the cause.

You do realize your best et would be around a low 14 to a mid 13 right? If you have been driving anything else that runs better than that it will seem slow in comparison. Just a thought, since some of us have vehicles that range from pathetic to incredibly fast, and when I drive the F150 after a few passes in the 10 second car, it feels woefully inadequate...
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:51 AM   #9
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Thanks for the input.

I just remembered something when i last drove the car it seemed to run better and pull off the line harder with less timing more on the retarted side it really has me thinking WTF everytime i mess with it. I really havent had alot of time to go over the car with all the hours i have been pulling the past few weeks.
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:54 AM   #10
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I know its hard to get an idea over the net just hoping to get some ideas of what to check out. As for power, with all this it will have a hard time breaking the tires lose from a dead stop, it just dont seem right to me like something isnt there. I'll get a photos up here in a few minutes. As for brakes it has all wheel disc with no parking brake, all wheels move freely.
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