So i get made fun of for bein a FORD guy all the time. You know people have there little slogans for ford but its time us Mustang guys come up with a slogan for CHEVY OR BOWTIE! Please if you have an idea let me know.

Don't sweat it . GM couldn't find their asses with both hands and the guys who own them couldn't count their nuts and come up with the same figure twice. GTO- dead, Camaro- never make it back into production, Firebird- who cares? They have no muscle cars after 2006.( the Corvette is a sports car[2 seats]). GM is in bigger trouble than Ford. I doubt they have the guts to pull off the next Camaro.

Yea, next time a bowtie diehard makes fun of your stang.........ask them what Chevy has going in the performance arena right now. The Cobalt??? Don't make me f**kin laugh. If you ask me, the Chevy guys get off lightly...............if Ford had axed the Mustang 4 years ago, GM was still pumpin out F-bodies, and then Ford came out with a suped up replacement for the Focus as their next "performance" vehicle.......you KNOW the Chevy guys would be pointing at us and laughing every chance they could get. Oh..........but the new Cobalts are soooooo nice..........right guys?[sm=icon_rofl.gif]

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bow ties are for little boys;)

I've bought one Ford (Escort - Wife's first car); one GM vehicle (GMC Truck); one Nissan (Wife's 2nd car); one Dodge (Wife's Van - kids...); one Chrysler (Wife's 2nd van - 1st totaled...not her fault); and now have ordered an '07 GT Premium GT. The missing info in the first sentence is that I drove a '68 'stang from age 17 to 23. I returned the car to my father when I bought the GMC Truck. My father had bought the car in '72 from his sister who had to many kids to fit into it. He's since returned the car to her. All that said, If I was buying a truck, I would be on a GM website.... but I'm not! I'm on a 'Stang forum because there isn't a car out there on the market today that can touch the new Mustang. I test drove about 4 different cars ranging from Impalas to Accord Coupes to VW GTI's. Then I recalled the thrilling days of yester-year and took the wife by the local Ford dealer to see the new pony's.... Test drove a GT the next day, Saturday, and ordered my new ride on Monday. You guys are right.... GM/Chevy/Dodge/Ricers have nothing to compete with the new 'Stangs. I could absolutely not believe how well the car: #1 - Drove! #2 - shifted (MT) #3 - Sounded ((V8 Baby - Yeaaaa (Austin Powers voice)) #4 - Looked (inside and out) #5 - Price (finally a muscle car I can afford). I could keep adding to the list. If anyone makes fun of a 'Stang, I have to believe it would simply be out of pure insecurity or P-P-P-Pooonnnyyy-Envy. I ain't taken crap off any of them. I'll just rev the engine to red-line while they're yakkin' and then say, what did you say, soorryy, couldn't hear ya...

Cheers!

R-Lizard

GMC = Gods Mechanical Curse

Chevy = Can Hear Every Valve Yelling

:D

Viva Le Ford!

Broke,
Owes,
Whipped,
Times up,
Impending
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I get the same thing all the time, oh, well fix-or-repair-daily....lmao, thats why your chevy crapped out at 50k miles huh? Well that uh was uh the uh, and all I'll say is spare me, most people have no idea why the like chevy anyway, ask them why the like GM, is it because they still use pushrod engines? Or because they don have any affordable perfomance cars, or is it because ford killed them in the muscle car race in 69'? Yea uh, they have the corvette......pleeeeassssee, the ford GT would smoke the living s**t out of it, kthxbye!

Got
Mullet?

Lmao. This is great. Correct me if im wrong (not a figure of speech, i may be wrong) but wasn't Ford always redesigning their vehicles/ adding a vehicle to their lineup, then GM soon following? Whenever Ford changed the mustang, GM had to do the exact same to their twins. Even with the 1 liter advantage on the engines, GM still couldnt beat the sales/general performance of the Mustang. They had to make two of the exact same damn car to even keep up. MUSTANG FTW.

ORIGINAL: Boltt

Lmao. This is great. Correct me if im wrong (not a figure of speech, i may be wrong) but wasn't Ford always redesigning their vehicles/ adding a vehicle to their lineup, then GM soon following? Whenever Ford changed the mustang, GM had to do the exact same to their twins. Even with the 1 liter advantage on the engines, GM still couldnt beat the sales/general performance of the Mustang. They had to make two of the exact same damn car to even keep up. MUSTANG FTW.


Wrong, they couldn't keep up even with the two different lines (camaro/firebird). Mustang outsold BOTH brands combined 3-to-1.

I stand happily corrected lol.

GM = Generic Motors

Chevrolet = Cheap Heap Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time.

Well, I own a Chevy and a ford.

And I hear storys about Fords breaking down and all the lame sh*t, Chevys are build like a Rock....whatever.

Back in 1999 I bought a 1999 convertible mustang.(white). Car ran good no problems even til this day running like new.so it was worth the money.
a year later or less in 2000 I bought a 2000 Chavy Blazer(metallic tan) yeah it ran good for about 5. and as of this year, I put in so much money just to keep it running,so far The fuel pump went out and I spent around $600.00 just for that to get fixed. and just about a week ago,my gas gauge had went out, now I dont know if I have a full tank of gas or dry to the bone. and thats more money to put in the damn thing,not only that, but my AC dont work as good.I cant even open the hood cuz it always jams.funny thing is in my family they are all chevy heads, and they dont drive fords. I was always taunted about my ford. but after awhile my mustang out lasted their chevys. they dont seem to say anything about my car.
yeah I was once a chevy lover, and I did say mean things about fords, but now that I own one and seen how things really are,I take everything I said back.

I hope I can trade in my chevy for a 07 mustang. that would rock!!!

you want anti chevy stuff?
how bout a 1991 Ford Bronco, the one in my sig, pussy whipping a 1996 ish chevy blazer with what he said was the 350, both on and off the road

GM = Got Morology*
CHEVY = Cheated His Every Victory Yo

*google that word's meaning

What I find funny is that it's only the guys with the slow ass cars that come up with these dumb sayings, on both sides Ford and Chevy alike.:eek:

lol ford owns chevy like crazy....id rather have a ford gt and a mustang than a camaro and a vette..but yeah anyways there is a bunch of slogans for chevy i just cant think of any lol..but yeah those firebirds camaros trans am might be fast..but mustangs look so much better and they arent that much slower. plus if u really care enough about speed u cvan spend a grand and make it just as fast..

ORIGINAL: 97GT19

lol ford owns chevy like crazy....id rather have a ford gt and a mustang than a camaro and a vette..but yeah anyways there is a bunch of slogans for chevy i just cant think of any lol..but yeah those firebirds camaros trans am might be fast..but mustangs look so much better and they arent that much slower. plus if u really care enough about speed u cvan spend a grand and make it just as fast..
Please show how that is done:eek: I guess if you put enough nitrous on it, it might be almost as fast.

Hes a fan-boy anyway...every company has certain things that they suck at or should improve on. PERIOD/END OF DISCUSSION!

Hey I have a question, i just got my first car, it is a 2000 ford mustang V6!!! And i was wondering how long it will last, bc it has alot of miles 157,789 to be exact!! How long do u expect my car to last, how long does the average 2000 mustang V6 usually last, and how long do u expect my car, with this many miles to last? The body and interior of the car is in basically perfect shape!!! I really appreciate you for helping me, and taking the time to answer my questions!!!

you should post that question on its own, not add it on to an existing thread with next to nothing in common with what your asking... I'm not insulting just advising... that way you'll get better results

Hey I have a question, i just got my first car, it is a 2000 ford mustang V6!!! And i was wondering how long it will last, bc it has alot of miles 157,789 to be exact!! How long do u expect my car to last, how long does the average 2000 mustang V6 usually last, and how long do u expect my car, with this many miles to last? The body and interior of the car is in basically perfect shape!!! I really appreciate you for helping me, and taking the time to answer my questions!!!


Pour guy...not to dem dar smert he is...

You guys crack me up ! Ford and chevy both have good and bad things about them.Always did always will. To many people talk smack,I say take it to the track and settle it! If you think your faster than prove it. Dont come on here running your mouth about how your stang will smoke my camaro or i will put you in your place. **** my 1975 ss nova will take care of most street cars and it is only putting alittle over 400HP to the rear wheels and 411FTLB TQ.Yes i do have the dyno sheet to prove it. And it is all motor! And I built it myself for just over $2500.00 in my basement.I drive it to the track and back home because i have that much trust in the car.WHY WOULDNT I ITS A CHEVY.http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/1975ssnova/camaro.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/1975ssnova/newnova2.jpg

ORIGINAL: callahan

Camaro- never make it back into production,

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You want some ketchup with those words?

I like all domestic cars but here are some
ford- fastest on race day
gmc-general maintenence corporation

AUDI: Accelerates Under Demonic Influence

BMW: Bought My Wife, Break My Windows, Blasphemos Motorized Wreck

BUICK: Big Ugly Import Car Killer

CHEVROLET: Can Hear Every Valve Rap On Long Extended Trips, Cracked Heads Every Valve's Rotten Oil Leaks Every Time, Car Hesitates Exhaust Valve Rattle Oil Leaks Engine Ticks

CHEVY: Cheap Hick Engine Very Yucky

DODGE: Dead Or Dying Garbage Emitter, Drips Oil Drops Grease Everywhere

FIAT: Failure In Automotive Technology, Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation, Fix It Again Tony

HYUNDAI: How Your Usual Nerd Drives An Import

IROC: I'd Rather Own a Corvette, It's Really Only a Camaro, Italian Retard Out Cruising

MOPAR: Miscllaneous Oddball Parts Assembles Rediculously, Most Often Passed At Races, Mostly Old Parts And Rust, My Old Pig Ain't Runnin

OLDS: Old Lemons Dying Slowly

OLDSMOBILE: Old Ladies Driving Slowly Make Others Infuriatingly Late Every Day

PINTO: Put In Nickel To Operate

VW: Virtually Worthless

BEETLE: Battered Everywhere Expect To Loose Engine

I'm not so much a brand fan as thnink I am more a model fan. I have certain requirements that have to be met in a vehicle. I play rock and roll music and need a vehicle to haul my drum gear to and from each gig. (We play almost every weekend.) For that need, I've owned several vans and SUVs. I've owned a '76 Chevy van, a 1980 Ford Bronco, a '90 Dodge mini van, an '84 Ford Bronco, even a '98 Dodge Durango and a few more, averaging a different vehicle about every 2 years. [:-] My last truck was a 2003 Chevy Trailblazer LT. I loved it. Best vehicle I had to date. I leased it and the lease expired this year. I wasn't ready to get rid of it. But since I was replacing it, I decided to give Ford another try. The Explorer didn't compare to the TBlazer in quality or comfort or value. The body panels didn't line up. The dealer salesperson said yeah it was a problem. So needless to say I went back and got a new 2006 TB. I tried to buy an Explorer but the product and dealer discouraged the transaction.

For the most part, quality and expectations on all my vehicles were all met and exceeded. My '98 Ford Explorer developed transfer case problems and since both dealers in my area coulnd't fix the problem, when the lease was up I left the truck there and walked away. I then tried out the Dodge Durango. That was the worst of the bunch for quality. Brand never really was the issue as long as they could haul band gear. In 1999 we decided to try motorcycling. In the spring we bought a 1500V Twin Kawaski from my bass players motorcycle shop. By the fall we'd sold that for a 2000 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide Classic. It has a very close resemblance to the Mustang in that they both can break your bank account with accessorizations. [:@]:D

I now own a 2006 Ford Mustang GT Convertible. My wife and I decided to get rid of our Harley for many reasons and decided to indulge ourselves into the "sports car/ convertible" realm. When you think sports cars and convertibles what do you think of? ME? Mustang. What did my wife think of? Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc...you get my drift. We test drove everything. I sat in a MB and said out loud, "In my wildest dreams did I ever think I would sit in a Benz let alone take one for a test drive." We drove them all and liked every one except the Porsche. Wife didn't like it as well as the others. So then you look at features, appearance and price. All good looking and all around $50,000 to about $75,000 USD. To that, I would have thought they would have cost more. So even the price wasn't scaring us away.

The trick was, we drove the Mustang first. Then we drove the others. Sat down one night and looked over all the data. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar the Mustang ruled. After a few days we decided (she begrudgingly) on the Mustang. (why do I have an odd feeling this isn't over?) Maybe because she didn't like the 5 sp manual transmission? Oh, I guess I didn't think that would be a big deal for her. ... or did I?:D

So a week later, you people will NOT believe this. .... are you ready?... she comes home with a 2004 BMW Z4 convertible. Oh and one more thing....it was an automatic. So now we have his and hers verts.

So I hope this doesn't alienate me since I'm not a die hard Ford fan. If it came to repair experiences, I probably wouldn't buy another Ford. But for the Mustang...I'll gladly make an exception.:D

Cheapest Heap Ever Visioned Yet

Can Hear Every Valve Rattle On Long Extended Trips

Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Runs On Luck Every Time

ORIGINAL: hwy1strat

I like all domestic cars but here are some
ford- fastest on race day
gmc-general maintenence corporation

AUDI: Accelerates Under Demonic Influence

BMW: Bought My Wife, Break My Windows, Blasphemos Motorized Wreck

BUICK: Big Ugly Import Car Killer

CHEVROLET: Can Hear Every Valve Rap On Long Extended Trips, Cracked Heads Every Valve's Rotten Oil Leaks Every Time, Car Hesitates Exhaust Valve Rattle Oil Leaks Engine Ticks

CHEVY: Cheap Hick Engine Very Yucky

DODGE: Dead Or Dying Garbage Emitter, Drips Oil Drops Grease Everywhere

FIAT: Failure In Automotive Technology, Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation, Fix It Again Tony

HYUNDAI: How Your Usual Nerd Drives An Import

IROC: I'd Rather Own a Corvette, It's Really Only a Camaro, Italian Retard Out Cruising

MOPAR: Miscllaneous Oddball Parts Assembles Rediculously, Most Often Passed At Races, Mostly Old Parts And Rust, My Old Pig Ain't Runnin

OLDS: Old Lemons Dying Slowly

OLDSMOBILE: Old Ladies Driving Slowly Make Others Infuriatingly Late Every Day

PINTO: Put In Nickel To Operate

VW: Virtually Worthless

BEETLE: Battered Everywhere Expect To Loose Engine




Try these

PONTIAC
CADILLAC
CHRYSTLER
KIA
MERCURY
MAZDALINCOLN
LEXUS
NISSAN
TOYOTASATURN
SAAB

I'v had 2 mustangs and iv loved them both, but i dont hate chevy's. I look at each individual car. If it can beat me, i gotta have some respect for it. Hell, iv seen a Dodge Caravan run a 10.5 quarter. Doesnt mean i drive in fear of caravans. No reason to hate on all chevy's, just the slow ones.

GM - Generous Motors - The mark of Insolence
Chevrolet - Cheap Heap Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time

I dont hate GM's Either. they just havent built a good car or truck since 1969. I have had Chevy's, Mopars, and Fords, Hell even a Fiat and an MG, like has been said you just have to look at each car.

Some friends and I were discussing one day many moons ago and if you could take the power of an old hemi, the looks of a classic chevy, and and the handeling of a Ford, you would have the most awesome car in the world.

I have a 2007 gt vert love it but no mater what you say my 2003 stock vett is faster and i love it also. so you cant knock gm just because u like ford.
thay both make nice cars.

Poor Old Numbnuts Thinks It's A Cadillac! (Pontiac) :D

First off I here some valid points, not so much the slogans, who cares, Put your car where your mouth is, We all have a passion for what we love. And that is performance. Regardless of who made it. I have owned many a different car, and driven more. Me personally I dont like the stang, cause you get in and your crammed, The window ledge is to high where your elbow sits, and you have no room, I like the room I have with my Camaro, And with that comes a Wider Wheel base. Granted I have not gotten in a New Stang yet so I cannot compare.But mid 90 to early 2000 models tiny IMHO, even the Dealer manual says so in comparison. There are some stangs I think are ugly, and some that are sweet looking, and same with Gm, what I have learned is this, I am currently stationed overseas with the military, and Camaro over hear is like seeing a LAmbo in Arkansas, ....No offense, or West Virginia...again..........Its rare to see. I hear all the time in italian them trying to figure my car out, from Ferrai to Masserati, I say Camaro and they have no idea, But I have a friend who is well off and has a beautiful Lambo Murc. and he loves my car, especially the sound. Ive taken first many a times for the sound, and 2nd against a car audio Subwoofer, I had 146.7 and they had 149.2 db, I love my car over here, And have not found anyone faster that has proven that in a race since then. I also can drive 170mph on the Strada which I do with ease. Most of my friends here either have Mustangs, Camaro's, Firebirds, M5, or Vettes. And for us its all fun, Our competetion is High Dollar Domestics here, F^&K these little saying's, and drive. I love having a Porshe get the hell out of my way and not know what type of car just passed, its great. So in Closing, I have this to say.....Anytime, Anywhere, Lets Do it. Get your car and have some fun. Oh and Mer. AMG V8 Love em, their headlights look nice in the rearview. And if anyone cares to find out about my car, I should be back to the US soon. And I have my Camaro for Performance, Plain and Simple. And Thats what I get.

IM a FORD guy when its comes to mustang and camaro and f250 to 2500. BUT i still very much respect chevy. Both companies have created legends that will never die out in our minds. Dodge on the other hand also creates great cars but is nowhere near the other 2. it serves as the underdog. It is where chevy and ford dont want 2 be. Viper, challenger and charges are great....but how long will they b around...challenger and charger disappeared and charger returned as a family sedan. end of the day...american muscle is the best. ford, chevy, dodge. we all got great cars and crappy cars...those who drive the great cars...just spend money and race

i would but i own both :D
BTW...the camaro IS coming back

im not a brand guy either..but i like the mustangs more than camaros..ive driven my friends z28 for a little and it just felt cheap to drive..i love driving my 97 gt vert...not to mention mustangs look better in imo..i do wish mustangs had as much power as camaros tho stock. =\,..but yeah i can honestly say i also like the f series trucks from ford more than the silverados..and the ford gt > vette..even tho the vette is way cheaper...so thats y i like ford more than chevy.

ORIGINAL: JD1969


ORIGINAL: 97GT19

lol ford owns chevy like crazy....id rather have a ford gt and a mustang than a camaro and a vette..but yeah anyways there is a bunch of slogans for chevy i just cant think of any lol..but yeah those firebirds camaros trans am might be fast..but mustangs look so much better and they arent that much slower. plus if u really care enough about speed u cvan spend a grand and make it just as fast..
Please show how that is done:eek: I guess if you put enough nitrous on it, it might be almost as fast.


On an 05+ GT? Easy!

Tuneless CAI: GMS: 25 RWHP gain
UDP's: 10 rwhp
CAMS: BBK or Comp Cams: 40+ rwhp.

Need I say more [&:]

You all are fools falling to a plot by importers to break us domestic guys apart.

DONT HATE ON CHEVY/FORD! HATE ON IMPORTS!

DOWN WITH HONDA!

P.S. chevy has had more engine problem reports then ford for the past 18 years :P ill post the link to the mag article when i find it online, or just get a scanner and scan mine

We are not hating on each other. Its simply competition between Chevy and Ford, notice Dodge is outta the picture lol. Imports are on a different level. They look ugly, sound ugly and run off twin turbo little 6bangers. The reason they even have a chance with us, it not because they are powerful cars, they just dont weigh anything. They are mere lilttle bangers that push little weight. You seriously can find them at the bottom of cereal boxes (2 fast 2 furious lol).


I do have to say though...this does not apply to all imports. Some are pretty nice looking and Mercedes Benz and BMW should not be considered imports. Those things can run QUICK! It would be like calling lambo and ferrari imports!

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder!!!! and I be holden a 2007 black GT/CS 5spd!! God I
good taste!!

lol this is great, considering all i do on weekends is hang around chevy guys (i co-created a local car club for american made vehicles only). We always get into different arguements concerning chevy, dodge, ford etc etc. I'm always stickin up for ford though, even if im one of about 4 who drive mustangs. The jokings all in good humor, any real disputes are settled at the track.

As for the imports...their paint job runs better than their car does...and there is usually more bondo in the front bumper than plastic...a lot of kids around my town have gone 2 fast 2 furious and the sound of pissed off folgers cans be heard for miles...

I just got my 03 Mach 1 2 weeks ago. I love the car, at heart I love Chevys, I still talk Ford **** but in a joking way. HOWEVER, I used to drive a Nissan 240SX, that had waaaayy too much put into it. It runs with bikes and its only a 4 banger, the turbo has barely any lag. Best advice to anyone, dont ever underesitmate a lil import, yea I agree most are junk with bondo, unpainted body kits. I have seen plenty of Mustangs like that, Camaros all of they do it. Its not the cars its the people behind them. My favorite thing is Mustang owners who think they got the biggest and baddest car out there, they like to show off and talk ****, then when my 240 beat them the face they made is priceless, and it makes it that much better when they are in front of their g/fs. I have also encountered Chevy guys like that too. I have noticed though, the people that respect all types of cars usually have the fastest cars and are the nicest people to deal with, talk to, or race. Racing is fun, some people act like its war. All the car makers have some good cars and some crap cars, its their owners who make them normally. Mustangs are nice, I love my Mach, Camaros and Trans Ams are sweet, and my import was fast as hell. I still make Ford jokes but its all in fun, to each his own.

I cant remember who it was on here...but it was the perfect post.....It was a discussion about how camaros were faster stock than stock mustangs....

they said something along the lines of...

"you can make a mustang fast....but you cant make a camaro look good"

i think that about sums it up

Camaros look great, Firebirds look better. Mustangs look good, as far as speed goes, yea the Camaros and Trans Ams are generally faster, but it depends driver and which model. Of course a 03 Cobra will spank a 02 Z28. An SS will Spank a GT. As far as stock for stock an 02 Z28 vs. an 02 GT, yea the Z beats it by almost half a second, your comparing 300 horse's to 260 along with weight differences too. The Mach 1 is an awsome match for the SS or Firehawk. I believe new for new they are the same price, and that is a DRIVERS race, they both also got around the same power, and both look amazing. It does however seem GM normally has the upper hand, and I know plenty of Mustang drivers who will admit it. Just because someone dont like the car, dont mean its a piece of **** nor does it make it slow. The LS and LT series are awsome engines, the DOCH 32-valve is amazing too. Sorry to say but the Mustang GT and v6 are like the civics of the American world, they are everywhere, they all sound the same, and most are slow as hell, once in a while you come across a fast one. If it were not for the Mach and the Cobra, Mustang would be SCREWED. Again, I DRIVE A MACH 1

that being said, with my mods and an automatic, i still beat my friend and his stock mach 1......food for thought

For some reason that does not sound right. My hardcore Mustang co-worker says thats b/s, he thinks your friend cant drive. However, I will not doubt that you can and I also will not agree that he cant drive. Im not here to talk **** about anybody. What does you auto run in the quarter...and at what speed?

I'm bringing it to a dyno next week after I get my 3:73s installed. I'll post it then to tell you HP....but i havent been to the track yet....

and yes, my friend is a terrible driver.....if he drove my car, and i drove his, I'd win with the mach haha.....it does make me feel good tho to be able to say that I beat a mach.....lol

ORIGINAL: Apollo240

Camaros look great, Firebirds look better. Mustangs look good, as far as speed goes, yea the Camaros and Trans Ams are generally faster, but it depends driver and which model. Of course a 03 Cobra will spank a 02 Z28. An SS will Spank a GT. As far as stock for stock an 02 Z28 vs. an 02 GT, yea the Z beats it by almost half a second, your comparing 300 horse's to 260 along with weight differences too. The Mach 1 is an awsome match for the SS or Firehawk. I believe new for new they are the same price, and that is a DRIVERS race, they both also got around the same power, and both look amazing. It does however seem GM normally has the upper hand, and I know plenty of Mustang drivers who will admit it. Just because someone dont like the car, dont mean its a piece of **** nor does it make it slow. The LS and LT series are awsome engines, the DOCH 32-valve is amazing too. Sorry to say but the Mustang GT and v6 are like the civics of the American world, they are everywhere, they all sound the same, and most are slow as hell, once in a while you come across a fast one. If it were not for the Mach and the Cobra, Mustang would be SCREWED. Again, I DRIVE A MACH 1



you left out 2005 GT's :eek: They run just about same as mach1's. They mod pretty damn well too.

What about the lil SRT-4's that run around ehh?

Lol at least you admit hes a terrible drive, yea it would feel good to say I beat a Mach lol. The new GTs are close but I was able to beat one. I think its more of a drivers race, but I believe the Mach has the upper hand. As far as Trans Ams and Z28's go, they been running 13.8's with LT1's, the LS1's were pushing with the Machs and Cobra's(not supercharged). Every time I go to the local drag strip, I usually see the GM's tossing around the Stangs like rag dolls. Im talking stock for stock most of the time. The GM's are not something to blow off as slow junk. You gotta respect them.

Well, I was going to insert some items, but Archion beat me to it. I have had vehicles from all of the big 3 and 1 independent along with 2 different imports. I had 2 GM RWD diesel cars a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale and a 1980 Pontiac Bonneville Brogham. Before that I owned a 1963 Oldsmobile Jetfire. I currently have 2 Corvairs (for sale) a 1964 Monza and a 1965 Corsa. I have had 3 Ford pickups, a 1958, a 1977 and my current one a 1986. I have had 2 Falcons, a 1964 and a 1970 1/2, one Mustang, actually a Shelby GT350. I have 4 Chrysler LeBarons, 1985, 1986, and 2 1989s One of the 89s and the 85 and 86 are convertibles, I have had an Omni and a Horizon and 2 Dodge Caravans. I have had a 1955 Packard Patrician and a Jaguar and a Mercedes-Benz. All companys have good and bad points, what one person likes another doesn't. I personally can not stand Chevy V8 engines, they are a pain to work on as are Mopar V8s. Ford has also had some winners, plug changes on a Mustang 428 CJ with manual transmission and thermactor system comes to mind. I buy what I like from manufacturers. If you notice, I have no Asian vehicles. I like Chysler's FWD vehicles, I liked GM's RWD diesels when they built them and Ford RWD gas cars and Ford pickups. What we all need to do is support the American manufacturers against the imports.

How does this grab ya fellas? If you want to drive a real vehicle then you would switch to a chevrolet. Anyone who knows half a **** about automobiles know that this is chevy country. On a quiet night, you can even hear a ford rust! I live in the land of ice and snow in the northern most part of Minnesota, and nobody i know is dumb enough to think about driving a ford. Only a true chevy vehicle makes it through the conditions up there. Get out and trade your p.o.s.'s in and get into a real vehicle NOW!

ORIGINAL: ChevyBarracks

How does this grab ya fellas? If you want to drive a real vehicle then you would switch to a chevrolet. Anyone who knows half a **** about automobiles know that this is chevy country. On a quiet night, you can even hear a ford rust! I live in the land of ice and snow in the northern most part of Minnesota, and nobody i know is dumb enough to think about driving a ford. Only a true chevy vehicle makes it through the conditions up there. Get out and trade your p.o.s.'s in and get into a real vehicle NOW!

ok, the bouncer is SO FIRED! First I read a rant by a ricer idiot, and now this? SHEESH!! It says MUSTANG on the top of the page, right? I'm not bashing GM, Dodge, Honda, Hyundai, or whatever (ok, maybe a little). My real problem is idiots that give every specialty niche a bad name... like this guy here, and that ricer punk that got all butt-hurt that we made fun of ricers. The Mustangers have 'em too, don't get me wrong. Anyone who put Altezza taillights on a Mustang qualifies as a ricer... and people who make blanket statements about ANY manufacturer qualify as idiots. Every vehicle fills it's own niche, that's why we have so many different ones. I love Mustangs, don't get me wrong, but I also appreciate Camaros, Vettes, Firebirds, GTOs (ugly as it is), even 350Zs... My point is, if you can't joke in good fun, keep your mouth shut.

And now back to your regularly scheduled flamer - oops, I mean flamewar

I'm not one to start s**t.......but of all the domestic fanboys.......GM ones are the cockiest. I am surrounded by them at work. Funny thing is, they rag on me about my 2 mustangs (eh-hem............Fords), but.......

The ones who have had their GM cars/trucks for more than 4 years have to have the hood up on them at least once every week or every other week (some almost everyday). The rest of the gum-flappers trade their trucks in for a new GMC or Chevy every year or two. Yet here I am with a 9 year old mustang that has been through hell and back.........has never spent even a minute in the shop for any kind of repair....and has never had the hood up for anything other than regular maintenance. But YEA..........my Ford must be a real POS compared to their mighty GM's. Go jerk off in someone else's toilet dudes.........fanboys never change ANYONE'S mind.

Questions I have for the chevy die-hards. If the camero/firebird is such a great car wouldn't they still be making them?

Both my friends have 89 Trans Am GTA's with 350's and auto tranny. Last Spring we went to a local race strip with them and my 1990 GT Cobra with a 302. They always made fun of me saying my car was not as fast as there trans ams becausethey had 350's. Well, three runs later niether one could touch me, i beat them by half a secondeverytime, and all three cars are bone stock. Sure showed those guys.

i have respect for all american cars

but expecially ford

Listen guys, here's the deal. They say, 'Ford- found on road dead!' I say 'First On Race Day!' They say 'F***ed - Over Rebuilt Dodge!' I say ' Found On Road Doing 135!' They say, 'have you ever gone that fast in yer li'l Stang?' I say 'Hell Yeah!' They shut up. :D

Clutch
Hangs
Every
Valve
Rattles
Oil
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just my .02

I bought a Ford Racing hat. I never even looked at the back of the hat. That was until my dad pointed out the saying.

"We Race. You Win"

Obviously, the meaning is that Ford races, and the owners are the winners. But whoever was behind that saying wasn't really thinking.

My dad had a garage all his life and he says GMC is the garage mechanic companion because they never leave![sm=laughat.gif]

I think that 1975ssnovaneeds to make a little more than 400 horses to be cool enough to enter a CHEVY forums site. You know if you spent $2500.00 you spent to much. I just made my 94 V6 mustang Vert a 513RwHp all motor and 642RwHp with laughing gas with about $2500.00 and I had to buy the complete mustang Cobra dirvetrain, computer,and harness. But it helps a lot when your best friend just wrecked his cobra mustang and sold the entire car to me for only $800.00 oh and my uncle owns his own machine shop were he builds motors for a living. So if you want to take that heavy chevy to school just let me know. I'll take you their

First of all, look at the cars that chevy puts out today. You got you cobalt which isnt fast, and you have of course the corvette which no one that buys a chevy can really afford. OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH but wait i forgot you have a ricers dream within the cavalier. You buy the dam thing new from them have it 2 years or so trade it in, and even chevy saids **** that piece of **** when you try and give it back to them.

For the people who say oh Fix or repair daily. Ibet that my mustang could smoke the **** out of todays chevy's with half the motor hurting. Although i would stay away from the cavaliers, cuz u put a ricer exhuast, a giant wing, and some decals, and lets jsut say DONT**** WITH THOSE THINGS

lets see those camaros run from this
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d21/swervo/fee5fb29.jpg

how about this u tell the person that chevy blows cock n then leave or race them n kick there ass!

ORIGINAL: 99 35th gt

lets see those camaros run from this
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d21/swervo/fee5fb29.jpg


I have seen a camaro version on the streets patrolling around LA(when I visited my uncle that lives there).
Yeah I get the fix or repair daily....but when I owned my 93 F150 Lighting, there wasn't a local truck that could stomp me, and the only thing I had tofix or repairwere the rear view mirrors so I could see there faces!!! A few days before Christmas I went fishing(wet roads[:@]) hit a light pole and tore the pass. front side up. We had to come back the next day to pick the truck up, and it started first time with almost all the battery acid on the pavement and I drove it onto the trailer!!
My dad ownsa 99 Dodge 2500 diesel, has been through 3 recks with it, all but one reck he wasn't able to still drive daily, a clutch, a battery, some other trans problems, and it still runs better than brand new Dodge trucks.And yes it does drip oil;)!For some reason Dodge has sold nothing but truck lemons since 2000.
My grandmother drives a cavalier, and it has been knocking(nothing machanically wrong) ever since she has owned it. I have noticed that ALL cavaliers do that.I know three people who have owned a chevy, drove it for a few months, then recieved a full refund for the vehicle after the wiring screwed up and there was no way to fix it(even the dealership said they couldn't fix it).
I now own a 2.3L mustang. I have had one small oil leak but that was because one of the hoses had dry rotted and couldn't hold any oil. My uncle owns a 66 mustang, and 04 mach 1(which hardly leaves the gargage because he doesn't want it the get dinged up), and a 01 F150(that was customed from a local hot rod shop before they bought it). The 66 is completely restored and only problems with it: blew a tire and screwed the fender(insurance cover that), stripped bolt made the exhaust hang down.....uh....that's it. Haven't had a problem with the other 2 vehicles.
Like what has already been said, buy what you like and enjoy it.I personally would like the new sports car Caddy(can't think of the name) ,or the new Aston Martin(that can go 0-100 in 6.5 sec.). I am not a die hard Ford fan, but take pride in what I own no matter the brand. Just my .02 cents.

i never understood the f---ed over rebuilt dodge....dont the small block dodge and small block chevy resemble eachother a whole lot more than a dodge and ford?

i will admit i dislike chevrolet as much as the next ford guy but i really do dislike Japanese imports...how many japanese cars today can run in the 12's or 13's stock, 5?? hell, fourty years ago ford gm and mopar had 50 or more cars that could do this and with todays technology and forced induction it seems like the imports would be.

aston martin is a ford owned company too, so maybe you like ford more than you thought.

ORIGINAL: ChevyBarracks

How does this grab ya fellas? If you want to drive a real vehicle then you would switch to a chevrolet. Anyone who knows half a **** about automobiles know that this is chevy country. On a quiet night, you can even hear a ford rust! I live in the land of ice and snow in the northern most part of Minnesota, and nobody i know is dumb enough to think about driving a ford. Only a true chevy vehicle makes it through the conditions up there. Get out and trade your p.o.s.'s in and get into a real vehicle NOW!

did you join this site just to bash ford you dumb**** with nothing better to do, look who cares, people that talk smack about other american vehicles are just a-holes, i look at it where it is how much money did you spend to get your car a certain fast, and also the look factor to a degree(for instance the STI is a very fast car but it looks so freakin ugly that i dont have respect for its speed, you have to put some better looks into a fast car than that, but its an import, who cares), and settling it at the track doesn't do much justice either because the person you race probably has some mods which would cost them more money than you

also the new camaro will be faster unless ford builds a better powerplant by then, but they want to put the LS2 in it and they did that with the GTO and it cost like 36 grand, and its resale value droped like 10 in like 1 year, so you know that the new camaro is going to cost a lot more money than a GT, why are they doing that when a muscle car used to be an affordable way of getting good performance, not dishing out like 50+ grand for what chevy people say is the best car(vette) which most people can't afford until they hit their mid-life crisis age, the mustang is without a doubt the young persons iconic vehicle, because they are reasonably affordable

I owned a 93 Z28 and my cobra owns it. They stopped making the Camaro.......wounder why

I like my oldest son's saying:
"Like a rock...you have to push it to make it move!"
But I've owned all the Big 3 AND a Rambler.
Each has it's good points and bad points.
ButI like Mustangs so now I've got one.
I'll keep my Probe too, and I'm getting a 2nd Gen Escort wgon for my wife.
I don't like any of the new cars because you can't fit a 6 year old in the back
seat without them kicking the front seat. If I could afford the gas I'd buy the 73
Ford LTD down on the corner lot. That and the guy think Bare-it Jack@sssets
the prices for him.
I call his lot The Car Motel.
They go in, but they never leave.

I've got a 91 TransAm ws6-LT1 & a 92 GT (88 GT prior to that). The stangs rule for sure. I've had them both since new. Neither has had a major problem. (ofcourse I take care of my stuff) I have no idea why I bought the T/A. Wife put 160 k on it and I just shoved it into the garage a few years ago. It still looks brand new inside & out. Thing is, GM never ever opened their arms to after-market the way ford did nor did they ensure the platform was enthusiast friendly; long single muffler sits sideways behind bumper...no clearance for after market dual plumbing etc... just a real pain if one were to want to modify. Then the next ones, 93s on, half the engine is under the windshield? I drive my stang, every day, since 1992.
Dont forget; Ford has had its own Fiesta of Aspiring cars that Probed the Contour of the disposable car market. They also have the best Car in the world...Mustang

the f-bodies might be faster stock to stock, depending on model, but honestly the build quality is not quite as good as the stang. I get in my friends 02 SS maro and it just rattles and creaks like a bitch. my 02 GT was never like that. With some mods and whatnot I was right next to him. My 07 GT is just amazing.

The F-bodies are dead for a reason.

The Mustang reached a broader audience, that is why it is around still.

Import hater, heh, I work for Lexus and own a 06 GS430. LOVE my Lex. The build quality on any Honda, Toyota, and even Nissan (shudders) are better then any american car, I hate to say that I really do. They use better materials. Europeans have them all beat as for materials and fit and finish. It is what it is.

As for power, honestly ANY car can be fast who cares.....

enjoy your car and move on in life....

IMO

Agree with European; I also have a 95 BMW 525 sedan and a 05 BMW M-3 rag-top. The sedan is for hauling 5 people only and the M3, not really a guy car. Kind'a of girlish. Wife drives it. But part of the fun of the stang is rumble, rattles, squeaks, fumesetc... and driving skill in my hands not assisted by the machine. And launchfun vs. the top-end performance envelope of the European cars. Germans do not even think of anything under 3rd gear or under 3k rpms as important. Noisey stangs rule. I read this in Bimmer magazine just last week. I swear this is true and I'll scan it. Guy wrote in wanting better low-end performance for his 323i.(their lowest performing/ lowest cost version of the 2.5 inline 6) They reply was; "You can install a super charger but that still will not get you into good low-end performance...buy a Mustang for that" I ran out into the living room and shoved my wife's magazine (Inga) in her face laughing my but off! Made my day.

Wow...There is so much mis-information in this thread, I just don't know where to begin. [sm=sigh.gif]

And before one of you noobs spouts off and tells me that I shouldn't be here, and I don't know what I'm talking about...You should know that I own a representation of each of the big 3. An '88 Fox, an '05 GTO, and an '04 Grand Cherokee.

Not to mention my seemingly endless list of American V8 that I've previously owned. Of which included a couple Mustangs, LS1's, LT1's, and other junk.

But the dude that posted a picture of a 2V police car and said "Let's see the Camaro's run from this." Are you kidding me, or do you really just not get out enough?

come on sidewayz...not only is it a mustang, the most powerful and unbeatable car ever made, but it also is COVERED in stickers! there is 300hp of vinyl on that car! :D

You guys are funny. I thought the same thing whenI saw his post originally. I believe, and I could be wrong, but I believe he is trying to say that since it is a police car, thatthey cannot outrun the radio. I could be wrong and he could be an idiot, but just a thought. :)

- C

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Wow...There is so much mis-information in this thread, I just don't know where to begin. [sm=sigh.gif]

And before one of you noobs spouts off and tells me that I shouldn't be here, and I don't know what I'm talking about...You should know that I own a representation of each of the big 3. An '88 Fox, an '05 GTO, and an '04 Grand Cherokee.

Not to mention my seemingly endless list of American V8 that I've previously owned. Of which included a couple Mustangs, LS1's, LT1's, and other junk.

But the dude that posted a picture of a 2V police car and said "Let's see the Camaro's run from this." Are you kidding me, or do you really just not get out enough?




Read this ^^^ post noobs and learn!!!


I just read the thread and i relaized it this thread is for kids.. I am out. only way to teach the truth is, streets!!!!

Hmmmmmmmm!I wonder what these kidiots are going to say, whenthat new challengerhits the streets??[sm=interesting.gif] And i happen to own camaros and stangs and have owned a shyt load of other cars !I liked them all, but bottom line is, put up orshut up ! some of you runningaround here talking about stuff you have NO idea about you should pick up a bookand learn somthing before you speak ! and justout ofcuriosity, has anyone here tryed running a srt-8 300c or charger? or a cts-v or v- linecaddy's ? and colbalt SS SC is not a slow as you might think, i remember seeing a few stang get ate up by a shadow ES m5 cars f-bodys (ect ls cars), and yea mopar has been out of the loop but we know what there capable of doing! So if i were you guys (and im not ) i would not get to comfy making fun of them !!! and the saying around her is simple....

"If U can't run with the big dogs,THEN KEEP UR LIL AZZ ON THE PORCH!!

The Challenger seems as if it will be limited production, or priced out of direct competition for typicalMustang buyers. The Camaro on the other hand - guess we will see??? The new Mustang is still good/greatas far as bang for buck goes, but what isREALLYsetting them apart IMO is that they reallystruck a chord in overall form/design. Something the GTO, Cobolt SC, Neon SRT-4 did not. The Charger designseems to have gotten some admirers, but the "beast" version is in the entry-levelluxury sport sedan price range. For the $$, the Colbalt SS/SC is right on the GT's heals. As much as we love the V8 HP, the nice looking, yet mediocre V6 is what keeps the Mustang going. Hopefully they will not let the GT fall behind in performance per dollar due to thier currentfinancial issues.

i fear that you might be right about the limited production of the challenger. i have heard SO many rumors, many of them stupid, i just try to ignore them now...however the "limited production" is a very popular rumor, and it true, the price will skyrocket. i have heard that they will start by making a run of 5.7L, 350hp models with a manual transmission, and based on sales, they will later make a 6.1L and V6 model...if that is the case, i dont know that ill bother, as im not going to pay 50 grand for a car that will struggle to beat a stock GT.
we plan on buying a challenger, but there is so much talk of it being another "elite vehicle" (because, dodge needs another terrible selling car like the viper), and if it is "elite", no one will buy it and use it like it should be used.

the new challenger and camaro might be a smidge faster but whos sold more? ford.
if you go into your average highschool parking lot what car will you see everytime? mustang
kids cant afford the new stuff like chargers and camaros! we CAN afford old mustangs with big v8s though! not me though... freakin insurance company...
to me that makes the mustang and fords better

I don't know how that makes it better...That just makes it a car that doesn't hold it's value very well.

I know exactly what your guys are talking about. Before i got my first car i had no idea about anything about any car. My friend and I got into them pretty heavy (though i have to admit he's an effin genious when it comes to the stuff). Him being a Chevy fan i hear about it all the time.

I own 2 fords and a chevy (00 Taurus, first car, 95 Mustang Gt, just bought, and 94 Metro) and i have to be honest about my cars. The Metro i ran the crap out of and it's still going strong. 90,000 miles in the Taurus just by myself and 171,000 in the mustang when i bought it. Now all i hear about is how i have the best fords in the world cause they've lasted more than 20,000.

Ihave had camaro's and stangs and trans am all my life. Still do, and im waiting for the new oneto drop, and i will have that as well. They are no harder to get then stangs and any of them can last longtime ! Just as long as you take car of them

or it means that the mustang has been around forever and they run for a long time so teenagers can get their hands on them
that and insurance rates on newcars with big v8s is out the ass for guys

personally i cant wait for the new challenger and camaro
the days of riceburners is over
american muscle has returned

Fuked Over Rebuilt Dodge. Oh wait, is this for chevy? Dude, I don't think there are many. You're on your own. Good luck. ;)

The thing that always amused me isa fact that no one notices.

FordWINS the races, Chevy BUYS the name!

Trans-Am
Grand Prix
LeMans

Our badge wins the races and Chevy buys the name to put on their cars.

Sounds like sour grapes.

SOHC

PS: My favorite quote from 71:"When Parnelli Jones comes up from behind, women faint, and strong men finish second, third and fourth!"

You're comparing 3 races that Chevy doesn't even enter, and Ford hasn't won in the last 25 years?

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

You're comparing 3 races that Chevy doesn't even enter, and Ford hasn't won in the last 25 years?



Chevy did enter these races.

Let's see, the first Trans-Am was named in1969.
Grand Prix was 1964.
LeMans was 1967.

Oh yeah, forgot about the BONNEVILLE... 1957

The point is that Chevy bought the names to make their cars appealing to buyers by the sound of their name.

Ford made their cars appealing to buyers by performance.

SOHC

just tell them that chevy cant beat the ford gt or the gt500kr

No, they can't beat the Ford GT. With something for half the price. :(

Next time you hear someone talkin smack to ya just remember that actions speak louder than words!Then go smoke there @$$!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!

I really do try to come at this nuetral. But it's really hard. All I see GM do is take the same engine every time and put it into different cars to appeal to different buyers. I would pi$$ myself if the new maro didn't have a 350 in it. And they have run the past few years with only one sports car, and no muscle cars (2 seater vettes = sports car). I am glad to hear the challenger and maro coming back. But after the failure of the retro design in the gto, I am really worried for GM. Also, they have no car in the mid engine category. We have the GT. They have nothing close to that. Well in short, my gm opinions;

new Camaro: Chevys investment of discontinuing the maro for the buildup of its return is now here. The retro design is already largely a flop (purely my opinion untill sales records reflect it). The large v8's of yesteryear are phasing out. More modern engines use less CI's and give the buyer a better handling car than these outdated monsters. Chevy better think this one through, or a GM FORD merger might become very realistic to them.

Corvette: Chevys flagship car. Regardless of my Ford bias, this vette is a nice machine that appeals to many buyers. As is evident by the swarms of them on the road. Chevy better hold on to this thing like it's their life force.

Cobalt: I have to admit, it was a wise choice to fire a rocket into import territory. Too bad this thing is very slow for a supercharged machine. Still, sales appear good and the car is out on the road all over.

Cavalier: Chevys Focus

Not too impresive to me. They need to hit a home run with the maro to take away from Fords Mustang sales. I just don't think they will recover from their hiatus.

the reason chevy stuck to their 350's is the small block chevy revolutionized automotives as a whole, the turbofire 307's and 305's were the origional 5.0's and i think that the new ford modulars are overwieght and overrated, i think that ford and chevy have a love hate realtion ship

When they make fun of you, think of the mantra that pre-teen kids say when someone bashes their stuff: You're Just Jealous!


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Mustang 07 (http://www.who-sells-it.com/cy/ford-motor-company-usa-780/ford-mustang-07-5250.html) - Ford Mustang Catalog 2007

No, really.

There are 2 separate gene pools here.

Most Ford guys really don't like Chevys.

Most Chevy guys really don't like Ford.

Automotive engineering meets human genetics.

One fence, two sides.

SOHC

ORIGINAL: SOHCman

No, really.

There are 2 separate gene pools here.

Most Ford guys really don't like Chevys.

Most Chevy guys really don't like Ford.

Automotive engineering meets human genetics.

One fence, two sides.

SOHC


Then there are those people with "mixed" backgrounds, you know, Mom drives aMustang and Daddy has a Camaro...

Poor kids...

:)

ORIGINAL: BullittJim

I get the same thing all the time, oh, well fix-or-repair-daily....lmao, thats why your chevy crapped out at 50k miles huh? Well that uh was uh the uh, and all I'll say is spare me, most people have no idea why the like chevy anyway, ask them why the like GM, is it because they still use pushrod engines? Or because they don have any affordable perfomance cars, or is it because ford killed them in the muscle car race in 69'? Yea uh, they have the corvette......pleeeeassssee, the ford GT would smoke the living s**t out of it, kthxbye!





I have had success from both but 50K? My 454 is about the hit 300k no problems, even the trans made 270k.As far as why I like GM...it is hard to argue that the 350 doesn't have more aftermarket support than any other motor on the road. Gt is crazy fast and crazy looking but a twin turbo kit on a vette will put a hurting on a gt with enough money for a condo left over.

but as far as the slams against chevy goes----Chevy is like a rock, only moves when you kick it.

ORIGINAL: 1975ssnova

You guys crack me up ! Ford and chevy both have good and bad things about them.Always did always will. To many people talk smack,I say take it to the track and settle it! If you think your faster than prove it. Dont come on here running your mouth about how your stang will smoke my camaro or i will put you in your place. **** my 1975 ss nova will take care of most street cars and it is only putting alittle over 400HP to the rear wheels and 411FTLB TQ.Yes i do have the dyno sheet to prove it. And it is all motor! And I built it myself for just over $2500.00 in my basement.I drive it to the track and back home because i have that much trust in the car.WHY WOULDNT I ITS A CHEVY.http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/1975ssnova/camaro.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/1975ssnova/newnova2.jpg

Sweet ass looking 69!! C'mon guys while I do agree with you that GM stepped on their own balls with letting the Camaro go. It will be back with a Vengance!! Ford did an awsome job with the new Stang and they've kept their customers happy. The after market stepped up and made a good looking car even better. Props to Ford for that but remember there are still some potent Bowties out there that have more than enough to take on any Ford. Even one's with 10 year old LT1's. I'm not baggin on anyone but like it was aready said there are good and bad in both Chevy's and Fords.

I like ford and chevy equally. Chevy have nicer trucks though. and better classics.