Which car is faster? 1/4th and top end... Which car is better overall performance wise and feature wise?

depends what your looking for. the mustang has 260 hp, and the srt is rated at 220 i think, but will actually dyno 220 at the wheels. it will be easier to make the srt faster since its already turbo tho...

yah no offense to the mustang but the srt-4 is faster

im actually thinking the 04 gt will be faster, my friend has a supercharged integra and got beat by about 1 car length to an 03 srt-4, the srt-4 that he raced had a bigger turbo mounted on a chip and exhaust, when i raced my friends integra i won by about 1/2 a car. so im guaging that if both were stock, the gt would beat the srt-4 but not by much.

Black Mage

The GT would be faster - slightly, but it is a faster car stock for stock, but the Neon would be easier to make faster - at least initially

The 4.6 has more potential!

ORIGINAL: BlackMage

im actually thinking the 04 gt will be faster, my friend has a supercharged integra and got beat by about 1 car length to an 03 srt-4, the srt-4 that he raced had a bigger turbo mounted on a chip and exhaust, when i raced my friends integra i won by about 1/2 a car. so im guaging that if both were stock, the gt would beat the srt-4 but not by much.

Black Mage


I hate to break the news to ya. Your friend is lying or the SRT-4 driver is hopeless. Your 96GT has nothing for a Turbo Neon...

Hell, 99+ GT's have all they can do to handle one...

I raced an SRT-4 from a 65 roll and put 2 1/2 cars on him to about 120. They are def. quicker than you would think. The guy was a jerk about it. He tryed to pick on me, and then after he lost, flicked me off while doing a ricer flyby.

99+ GT's are actually quicker than most people think. A 5 speed one in the hands of a capable driver can hit 13's pretty easy. A neon can hit high 13's if there a factory freak...most run low 14's. No one in there right mind would race a turbo charged car from a roll. Torque wins the quarter my friend....Mustangs have tons more torque...so race one from a stop. Both cars are pretty much even but the GT will smoke an SRT-4 from a stop and it will become a good race from a roll....Go to the SRT-4 Forum and check out the videos....A couple of GT owners have put about 2 cars on them in stock form.

2800 lb car vs 3400 lb car...both dyno the same hp to the wheels stock...think about it:eek:

Last I checked racing in a straight line takes more into consideration than just Power to weight ratio.

You cannot look at a car and say it has this much power.

Let us use an example here.

Acura NSX 290HP right?

Well sort of, it doesn't get its maximum horsepower until an eye popping 7100RPM.

Torque? What torque? It gets maximum torque at 5,500 RPM all 224lbs of it.

Also you have to take into account the fact that the GT is rear wheel drive, where as the Neon is front wheel drive.

Ultimately though Mustang GTs and SRT-4s are about the same speed. It really is a drivers race.

As was said earlier in this post the SRT-4 is the best bang for the buck. Then you also have to realize its ugly, and most people don't know its fast so part of the prestige of it being a fast car is gone.

There is this whole myth that it is actually cool to have a sleeper when in fact, you just look like a punk teenage kid with a cheap car and a big muffler.
ORIGINAL: nomocobra

2800 lb car vs 3400 lb car...both dyno the same hp to the wheels stock...think about it:eek:

I hate to say it, as a 99+ owner, but the 04 (not the 03) is faster stock. Alot of 03s ran like 14.2s stock. Alot of the 04s run like 13.8-9 stock. I have even seen claims (although no proof) that a stock 04 can run a 13.7.

They did some changes in 04. of course most of the information is coming from the SRT4 forums. However they have vids of stock cars doing 13.8s etc. I would say though that it is compeltely a drivers race. SRTs are alot harder to launch correctly than a GT.

SRTs are compeletly respectable cars. And i have seen 500 HP dyno vids. There is alot of potiential there, although I would not believe em if they said it was still capable of being daily driven. And no matter what you say about the outdated fox platform, the GT is still one hell of alot nicer of a car. In the end you are still driving a NEON (re: rental car), you just paid 20k for it to make it fast.

I hope the 05' Mustang GT can hand SRT-4s its ass.

300HP I definitely want to pick up one of those suckers.

Yeah but an 04' Mustang GT is a much nicer car than an SRT-4.

While many say the fox platform is dated I'd say its perfected. They've taken it as far as it can go and now they are moving on.

- TransAM95

Yeah I have absolutly no complaints about the Fox platform. This is the most refined car I have ever owned at least. (from a performance point of view).

ORIGINAL: nomocobra

2800 lb car vs 3400 lb car...both dyno the same hp to the wheels stock...think about it:eek:


I don't know where you got your numbers from....BUT They are wrong. SRT-4 produces 215 horsepower at the fly wheel and it's not underrated. 99+ GT's produces 260 horsepower and that should make up for the weight disadvantage it has. Torque my friend is what wins the quarter and the GT has about 70lbs/ft more. Torque is what puts you in the seat and horsepower keeps you there. Hell you owned a cobra and you don't know this already

To all you mustang owners out there, the SRT will definatly beat your ass in a race. Stock they come with 230 hp and 250 tq, How does that make you feel? I raced my cousin who has a 99 GT with flowmasters and a cobra chip, and yes i pulled on him. It was close but I still won. And to that guy who says the GT is nicer, what are you thinking? There is nothing inside of your GT. There are 3 knobs that control air and thats the nicest feature. Atleast my car has viper seats and a boost gauge. Hows that make you feel? In summary I am dissapointed by your V8's.[sm=smiley21.gif]

Your a dumbass.......You need to meet up with my GT.....I've beaten every stock SRT-4 I've raced...Yes it's been close....but torque my friends wins a race....and 250lbs/ft isn't enough. I really don't have time to argue......Put up or shut up. SRT-4's are low 14's and GT's are high 13's......on average.

Okay, your beating SRT4s when they are stock? Im guessing you are modified cause there is no way stock you will beat one. And if you want to meet me you'll just embarass yourself cause I am not stock. You also have it confused, SRT's can run 13.8 stock, Id like to see a stock GT run that.

shall i post the link for ya 99+GT's equal 13.7@101.......YEAH i have a stock GT.....but i also have a modded 03 Cobra as well....many cars in my stable......don't get it twisted...I have no problem putting 6-8 carlengths on your ass...no matter how modded you rental car maybe. My Kenne Bell will start singing on that ass......:D

guys!! the srt runs a 13. 8/ 13.9 best time stock my cuzn has one i have a 02 GT and i never ran a high 13 with my GT best time stock... was a 14.3 and the srt has a killer top end i rac3ed my cuz and he took me..... yes a GT has more potential but the srt doesnt way as much AS GT so in thiks case a srt is faster

ORIGINAL: SRT4driver

To all you mustang owners out there, the SRT will definatly beat your ass in a race. Stock they come with 230 hp and 250 tq, How does that make you feel? I raced my cousin who has a 99 GT with flowmasters and a cobra chip, and yes i pulled on him. It was close but I still won. And to that guy who says the GT is nicer, what are you thinking? There is nothing inside of your GT. There are 3 knobs that control air and thats the nicest feature. Atleast my car has viper seats and a boost gauge. Hows that make you feel? In summary I am dissapointed by your V8's.[sm=smiley21.gif]

I'll race u from a stop ...and if I beat u I want u 2 kiss my cars ass for a video that I'll post on here hahahaha

Hey rolling thunder, you genius, we are talking about stock for stock and the SRT will win. But im not going to say I could beat your car as i can see you have many mods. Im here to debate the fact that the SRT is a very fast 4 cylinder that gives stock v8's a run for their money.

ORIGINAL: SRT4driver

Hey rolling thunder, you genius, we are talking about stock for stock and the SRT will win. But im not going to say I could beat your car as i can see you have many mods. Im here to debate the fact that the SRT is a very fast 4 cylinder that gives stock v8's a run for their money.


You didn't say it gives a mustang a run for it's money....You said that a mustang couldn't beat one.....Go over to the SRT-4 site and you will see the video of some kid getting his ass kicked by a 99+ GT over there...Every single time one of you fellas loose...You start talking about the GT must have been modded....Well all SRT-4's are modded....Hell your boosting what....16-17 PSI....Mustangs have no power adders.

I found this information by searching through alot of stuff. Not much of a difference. Cept the weight factor and the turbo and lack thereof. Load up another 500 lbs on an SRT4 and then race. If the specs are this close then the turbo'd car may be even or just left behind.

The SRT4 weights 2900 lbs... Mustang GT 3347 lbs.
SRT4 0-60 5.3 1/4M 13.9...... Mustang GT 0-60 5.5 14.1

ORIGINAL: SRT4driver

To all you mustang owners out there, the SRT will definatly beat your ass in a race. Stock they come with 230 hp and 250 tq, How does that make you feel? I raced my cousin who has a 99 GT with flowmasters and a cobra chip, and yes i pulled on him. It was close but I still won. And to that guy who says the GT is nicer, what are you thinking? There is nothing inside of your GT. There are 3 knobs that control air and thats the nicest feature. Atleast my car has viper seats and a boost gauge. Hows that make you feel? In summary I am dissapointed by your V8's.[sm=smiley21.gif]


Have you sat inside of a GT with leather??? I am stunned as a supposed owner of a SRT-4 you would argue this point.

Its a rental car with a turbocharger. No matter what it is still a cheaply made car. Drive it about 40K and tell me the entire car isnt filled with squeaks and rattles. There is no comparasion on which car is made better/nicer.

I have alot of respect for SRT-4s. However you are wrong saying that a GT wont beat one stock. It is completly a drivers race, and most people cannot get a SRT-4 to run a 13.8 stock. I have seen a boatload of SRT-4 clips turning in low 14 times.

I agree with 2000GT. SRT4 is fast for a 4 cylinder. But seriousely. To agressively say "srt4 will beat your GT'S ass..." Is a bit much. They are like a 10th apart in both 1/4mile and 0-60.

The v-8 is a higher quality engine with higher limitations. SRT4 is pushing all it probably can without some serious mods to the engine i.e CAMS, valves. Its a neon...a top of the line neon.

Stick a turbo with an equivelant power ratio as the turbo on the SRT4 onto a GT... Im pretty sure it wont be a difference of 1/10ths.

ORIGINAL: DUB 6
SRT-4 produces 215 horsepower at the fly wheel and it's not underrated.

so im assuming that youve seen a stock srt4 on the dyno?? i have, but what do i know:eek:
ORIGINAL: SRT4driver
To all you mustang owners out there, the SRT will definatly beat your ass in a race. Stock they come with 230 hp and 250 tq, How does that make you feel? I raced my cousin who has a 99 GT with flowmasters and a cobra chip, and yes i pulled on him. It was close but I still won. And to that guy who says the GT is nicer, what are you thinking? There is nothing inside of your GT. There are 3 knobs that control air and thats the nicest feature. Atleast my car has viper seats and a boost gauge. Hows that make you feel? In summary I am dissapointed by your V8's.[sm=smiley21.gif]

dude your a ****ing homo. nobody cares about your car and how fast it is. if your going to come to a mustang site, come friendly, or dont come at all.

ORIGINAL: DUB 6
Torque my friend is what wins the quarter and the GT has about 70lbs/ft more. Torque is what puts you in the seat and horsepower keeps you there. Hell you owned a cobra and you don't know this already

yeah, i owned a cobra with no torque at all...it pathetically dynoed 100ft lbs less than it did hp

ORIGINAL: AirForce2004

I found this information by searching through alot of stuff. Not much of a difference. Cept the weight factor and the turbo and lack thereof. Load up another 500 lbs on an SRT4 and then race. If the specs are this close then the turbo'd car may be even or just left behind.

The SRT4 weights 2900 lbs... Mustang GT 3347 lbs.
SRT4 0-60 5.3 1/4M 13.9...... Mustang GT 0-60 5.5 14.1


My friend those times are according to Motor Trend....Believe me Motor Trend has a problem with anything that's made by ford. Hell they even said the Base Corvette ...(Not Z06) can beat the 03 Cobra by running a 13.1.....Everyone knows cobras are faster than that....Hell the Vert runs 12.7@111......:D

ORIGINAL: SRT4driver

Hey rolling thunder, you genius, we are talking about stock for stock and the SRT will win. But im not going to say I could beat your car as i can see you have many mods. Im here to debate the fact that the SRT is a very fast 4 cylinder that gives stock v8's a run for their money.


hey dumbass I guess u forgot that u wrote this....

ORIGINAL: SRT4driver

Okay, your beating SRT4s when they are stock? Im guessing you are modified cause there is no way stock you will beat one. And if you want to meet me you'll just embarass yourself cause I am not stock. You also have it confused, SRT's can run 13.8 stock, Id like to see a stock GT run that.

here u r sayin that u modified ur SRT4 ...and so is mine so y not race

Hey lemme jump in :eek:

For starters, Everywhere I look I see the SRT-4 listed as a 14.2 car 5.8 0-60, and a Mustang GT listed as a 14.1 car 5.5 0-60. FOr 2004 their seems to be alot of people claiming 13.9 runs with 5.3 0-60 in an SRT-4, but you know their are just as many people claiming the very same times in a Mustang.

Second, a freaken Neon is fwd, how the hell do you expect to beat a Mustang 0-60? Answer: The neon comes with tires that are damn near borderline drag radials.

Sources:
http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html (99+ Mustang 14.1 / 5.5)
http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/dodgesrt4.html (2003 SRT-4 14.2 / 5.9)
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0302scc_neon/ (2003 SRT-4 14.2 / 5.8)
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?modelid=10940&trimid=98024&src=VIP (2004 SRT-4 14.5 / 5.9)
Car & Driver (2004 SRT-4 13.9 / 5.3)

Let me say that while I know a 99+ GT will walk the dog on an '03 SRT-4, I do know that an '04 is something to be concerned about. Its safe to say that the majority of '04 SRT-4 owners will beat the majority of GT owners stock for stock. Its also cheap and easy to modify a Neon, at least at first. After you get by with the simple mods (that work quite well since all you have to do is regulate the boost), its pretty much over with. A Mustang has a LOT of potential, the Neon is pretty much maxed out.

I give '04 SRT's respect, they are quick cars. Stock for stock Im confident I could stomp one though - since the average '04 SRT drive will only ever see low 14's - same as a 99+ GT.

All in all when it all comes down, the SRT-4 will still be a cheap throw together rental car with a Turbo. In the end a Neon will still be a Neon, and a Neon will still be a piece of sh*t. Its just a piece of sh*t with a Turbo. I do applaud Dodge for making a fast piece of sh*t though.

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
Second, a freaken Neon is fwd, how the hell do you expect to beat a Mustang 0-60? Answer: The neon comes with tires that are damn near borderline drag radials.

have you ever seen an srt4 at the track? the tires they come with are horrible....and **** man, it doenst even have lsd. it comes with an open differential

I think most of us would agree that mopar made a quick little car with the SRT-4. That's great for you and anyone else who would actually be proud to be seen in a Neon. Most people just think of them as a bargain basement partsbin ****box (neon with a PT cruiser engine)...Turbo can make anything fast but IT'S STILL A NEON!!!!!!

That's probably why you feel like you need to come to a MUSTANG FORUM and talk all kinds of trash....You realize that your car gets no respect BECAUSE IT'S A NEON and you look like a homo driving it. We don't have to tell everyone how fast or cool Mustangs are. It's obvious by the heads we turn.

By the way. Try to stick to one arguement. In your first post you are throwing attutude all over the place, then you are bragging about "not being stock", then you are claiming that you just want to debate whether a stock SRT-4 can beat a stock Mustang. I feel sorry for you. You are obviously feeling the pain of driving around in a gay car but it's not our fault that we knew what to buy when we went car shopping. That's probably why everyone in a Mustang laughs at you.

ORIGINAL: nomocobra

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
Second, a freaken Neon is fwd, how the hell do you expect to beat a Mustang 0-60? Answer: The neon comes with tires that are damn near borderline drag radials.

have you ever seen an srt4 at the track? the tires they come with are horrible....and **** man, it doenst even have lsd. it comes with an open differential

I got that info while looking for specs on the SRT-4 from here (http://www.dodgeforum.com/tm.asp?m=42171&mpage=3덋)

They also had an article to see which could lay down the longest stripe. The '03 SRT-4 didn't fair too well due to a combination of factors. First off is the cars rake, low in the front and high in the rear. Next is the fact that the PCM only allows 8 psi boost, out of 14-15 psi, in 1st gear. Lastly was the super sticky tires that come on it. They were even "bummed" about the results figuring it to win it, but 83 ft. didn't get the job done. The winner was the Mini Cooper Works of all things with 129 ft., go figure. Then again you want to grab and go, not sit and spin.

And I suppose your gonna tell me how a fwd car with NO limited slip can outrun a GT Mustang from 0-60 without better tires? Have you ever seen an srt4 at the track, obviously not because I have. They lay down considerably better 60' times than you would think, and it isn't because of their weight. So uhh.. yea **** man.

have you ever seen an srt4 at the track? the tires they come with are horrible....and **** man, it doenst even have lsd. it comes with an open differential

FWD doesn't even have a differential silly :D it's a transaxle.

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
And I suppose your gonna tell me how a fwd car with NO limited slip can outrun a GT Mustang from 0-60 without better tires? Have you ever seen an srt4 at the track, obviously not because I have. They lay down considerably better 60' times than you would think, and it isn't because of their weight. So uhh.. yea **** man.

let me tell yah man, gotta love those open differentials;) edit* transaxle
http://members.cox.net/srt4hokie/burn/2.jpg

let me tell yah man, gotta love those open differentials edit* transaxle

Yeah...that's right pal :D LOL

About that pic. Can you say handbrake?

actually mike, it does have a transaxle, but it still has an open differential....

actually mike, it does have a transaxle, but it still has an open differential....

I don't care Nomo. I was just funnin ya anyway dude. I know you are cool enough to take a little funnin, right? :D

By the by...what happened to the goofy little fella with the Neon who started all this anyway?

I guess we showed him - HA!:D

ORIGINAL: MikeHawke

By the by...what happened to the goofy little fella with the Neon who started all this anyway?

I guess we showed him - HA!:D


He went back over to the Street Rental Trash forum....Those SRT-4 guys are the most arrogant group I've ever met.

Dub. Dont try to go over to the SRT forum and convince them that the GT is faster for two reasons:

1. With equal professional drivers a 04 SRT-4 (and probably a good running 03) will beat a 99+ 5 speed. The 04s are capable of 13.8s dead stock, and i have not seen many if any stock GTs do this.

2. They will never listen to what you are saying. They are completly conviced the SRT is a superior car. If you notice one guy was saying that stock vs stock a SRT-4 is faster than a 03 cobra! They do not want to hear that a GT will beat em.

Understand that most of em are coming from a ricer crowd, and if you know anything of ricers you know they compeletly hate/underestimate the GT. I can't count the number of dumbass import owners that have reved on me thinking they were gonna hand me my ass with a K&N and a fart can.

It is completly a drivers race, but they are never going to beileve that. SRT owners are very defensive by nature.

ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6

Dub. Dont try to go over to the SRT forum and convince them that the GT is faster for two reasons:

1. With equal professional drivers a 04 SRT-4 (and probably a good running 03) will beat a 99+ 5 speed. The 04s are capable of 13.8s dead stock, and i have not seen many if any stock GTs do this.

2. They will never listen to what you are saying. They are completly conviced the SRT is a superior car. If you notice one guy was saying that stock vs stock a SRT-4 is faster than a 03 cobra! They do not want to hear that a GT will beat em.

Understand that most of em are coming from a ricer crowd, and if you know anything of ricers you know they compeletly hate/underestimate the GT. I can't count the number of dumbass import owners that have reved on me thinking they were gonna hand me my ass with a K&N and a fart can.

It is completly a drivers race, but they are never going to beileve that. SRT owners are very defensive by nature.


LOL.....Yeah i see that....They banned me.....LOL....For speakin my mind. So they can call a mustang a Rustang...But as soon as i call a SRT-4 Street Rental Trash....they ban me....:D Those guys are arrogant losers. 05 GT will erase all doubts about which car is the fastest.

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
A Mustang has a LOT of potential, the Neon is pretty much maxed out.


All in all when it all comes down, the SRT-4 will still be a cheap throw together rental car with a Turbo. In the end a Neon will still be a Neon, and a Neon will still be a piece of sh*t. Its just a piece of sh*t with a Turbo. I do applaud Dodge for making a fast piece of sh*t though.


A Neon? Yeah it's a Neon but a Grand National was also a Regal. A Cobra is still a Mustang. What's your point? I have quite a few friends with SRT-4s. The stock tires aren't that damn sticky or like radials. I've seen them right there in front of me as has NoMo.

Maxed out? They're capable of alot more then people give them credit for.

Here is a dyno chart of a stock SRT-4.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0407tur_srt02_z.jpg

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0407tur_srt/

ORIGINAL: MikeHawke
You realize that your car gets no respect BECAUSE IT'S A NEON and you look like a homo driving it. We don't have to tell everyone how fast or cool Mustangs are. It's obvious by the heads we turn.


Shut up MikeHawke. You call him a homo but you've got a penis in your avatar.

Looks in a Mustang? Not really unless you drive a Cobra. I see all kinds of GT's and V-6's around here. I drive a damn Mustang Cobra so I'm not giving some biased opinion. Fact is Mustangs don't turn any heads because like Neon's alot of people have them.

Wow.. panties up in a bunch much? For the most part it doesnt matter how many Mustangs are out there. People still do look. Hell I own one and I still like to look at other Mustangs.

I wouldnt have bought one if it didnt appeal to me. Hopefully everyone who has one bought it because they like it and not because they just had to settle for a stang.

People are entitled to their own opinion. Why tell people to shut up? Kinda defeats the purpose of what Im working for as well as a few thousand other service members. No need to be rude on both sides of the fence.

Both are good cars both go fast. Who really cares? I didnt buy my stang so I can beat everyone, I bought it so I can go as fast as I like.

Its an american car... lets just all agree to keel the ricers k? Its simpler that way.

>>BTW no offense to everyone.

Shut up MikeHawke. You call him a homo but you've got a penis in your avatar.

Looks in a Mustang? Not really unless you drive a Cobra. I see all kinds of GT's and V-6's around here. I drive a damn Mustang Cobra so I'm not giving some biased opinion. Fact is Mustangs don't turn any heads because like Neon's alot of people have them.

Since when did you become such a dick?

First, the stock tire comment I got right off of an SRT forum, and I linked to my source, and I've also seen a few run at our local track. Second, you should actually comprehend all I've been saying about the SRT-4. I said they have more potential than a Mustang INITIALLY - because of the easy ability to control the boost without alot of money. BUT- AND A BIG BUT - they are already running alot of boost, not leaving much room for improvement. You will NEVER see 10 and 11 second Neons like you see Mustangs. Their are VERY few 12 second SRT-4's and even fewer 11 second SRT-4's. Their are NONE anywhere even close to 10.99's to my knowledge.

Now how, with all this potential, are their not any "really fast" SRT-4's? I mean their are stock NA engine Mustang GT's with nothing more than cams and bolt-ons running 11's! Those guys running 11's in the Neons I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY they even have the stock turbo. I mean my god, put a turbo on a mustang and hello 600+ rwhp.

All Im saying is the Neons have alot of initial potential, but because they already have a turbo running what, like 14 psi boost? - I mean how much more is left after that? After you increse the boost where do you go next? Their just isn't a whole lot more to work with other than increasing the boost.

I'm glad you have friends with SRT-4's. Im really honestly and truley happy for you. Yes their capable than most people give them credit for - but I do give them credit - you just haven't been listening. I have given my sources for everything I've said.

Oh, and about that comment about a Cobra being a Mustang, and a Grand National being a Regal - let me tell you that they are no where NEAR the piece of sh*t a Dodge Neon is. Until you actually turn a wrench on something, stfu about its reliability.

How about those Pistons?

How about those Pistons?

We got 8 - they got 4. he he he he he. :D

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
Oh, and about that comment about a Cobra being a Mustang, and a Grand National being a Regal - let me tell you that they are no where NEAR the piece of sh*t a Dodge Neon is. Until you actually turn a wrench on something, stfu about its reliability.


Turn a wrench? Haha I work on my own car and everything. I've done motorswaps, tranny swaps, rear end swaps and so on. How is that not turning a wrench? The more and more you talk the more I realize you're not as smart as you lay claim to.

Neon's running 10s? How long have Mustangs been out? SRT-4's don't yet have the parts market. There was a 500fwhp SRT-4 built I believe. After 550 the engine can't handle anymore.


Giving the SRT-4 props? No you keep saying "It's just a Neon" "It's just a fast piece of ****". You're excuses are pathetic.

Just because the turbo is running 14psi means nothing in the slightest. Simple turbo swap takes care of that. The turbo is a small one. It's basically just like the DSM's yet I've seen plenty of those running 12's, 11's, and so on.

The stock tires comment is simply a matter of opinion. All the SRT-4 owners I know say they're just **** for traction etc.

Put a turbo on a Mustang and hello 600+rwhp? Ummmm not in the slightest. A TT (Dual 46mm Garret T3/T4s) set up on a Cobra only yielded 538rwhp. And even at that you're pushing the limits of the Hyper U Crack Ems. The rods and pistons even in the Cobra's dont really like anything over around 500 or maybe even 550 flywheel HP. At that point you're running on borrowed time.

I forgot I'm talking to the greatest Mustang tuner and owner of the worlds fastest Mustang. :eek:

that D1g1tal V3nOm is a funny character:D;):)[8D][:-]

hey rollinthunder I will race your "souped" up mustang any day of the week. you are at what 287 hp you say, now that scares me. Your mustangs can't even outrun a ****ing neon and yet you guys talk **** about a real sports car like a Nissan 300 zx twin turbo? get outta here!

Wow, those SRT guys have really put a chip on their shoulder.

Interesting discussion, but the bottomline is a stock SRT vs a stock GT is a drivers race, magazine numbers not withstanding. [8D].

Remember the GT and now, the newer Cobras, are the standard and everyone wants to be able to stand up to the standard. Take it as a compliment and smack down every SRT you can.[sm=smiley20.gif]

ORIGINAL: dhett96

hey rollinthunder I will race your "souped" up mustang any day of the week. you are at what 287 hp you say, now that scares me. Your mustangs can't even outrun a ****ing neon and yet you guys talk **** about a real sports car like a Nissan 300 zx twin turbo? get outta here!

who the hell r u?

ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
I forgot I'm talking to the greatest Mustang tuner and owner of the worlds fastest Mustang.


Who ever said that? Obviously you've misunderstood some things somewhere. Im done with the name calling, like I've said a few times in some other threads you've participated in. Continue if you wish, but you will get no comment from me.

Gt vs srt-4. I was chosing what car to pick for a reasonable amount of money. I could of got a cobra but I didn't want the payments. I got the Gt because I was thinking hey this car is going to be probably the most reliable with the best resale value. I can pick up a SRT-4 in couple of years for pretty cheep. Performance was a high priority of mine. I wanted a car that could rip through the quarter at a high 13 without losing the warenty. The neon srt-4 breathes better than our GT's. The drop off on GT's motor is pretty substantial at higher rpms. The neon from what I see at the track are about dead even with Mustang GT. Stock vs. Stock. You may though see that the neon will run about 1- 1.5 mph faster trap speeds though. The best part though out of the hole the neon usually will not get a GT. So this is where it's most important. I bet a set of drag slicks on both cars the Gt's going win hands down 1/4 mile. After 100 mph different story. My dodge spirit was quicker on the highway then my mustang, but at the track I think my Gt would of won.

Joe

ORIGINAL: GT03

Gt vs srt-4. I was chosing what car to pick for a reasonable amount of money. I could of got a cobra but I didn't want the payments. I got the Gt because I was thinking hey this car is going to be probably the most reliable with the best resale value. I can pick up a SRT-4 in couple of years for pretty cheep. Performance was a high priority of mine. I wanted a car that could rip through the quarter at a high 13 without losing the warenty. The neon srt-4 breathes better than our GT's. The drop off on GT's motor is pretty substantial at higher rpms. The neon from what I see at the track are about dead even with Mustang GT. Stock vs. Stock. You may though see that the neon will run about 1- 1.5 mph faster trap speeds though. The best part though out of the hole the neon usually will not get a GT. So this is where it's most important. I bet a set of drag slicks on both cars the Gt's going win hands down 1/4 mile. After 100 mph different story. My dodge spirit was quicker on the highway then my mustang, but at the track I think my Gt would of won.

Joe


A pretty fair comparison. Mustangs can hold there own up until around 125...Then again who races at those speeds. Anything after 110, i don't consider it as a matter of horsepower.....lots of other factors start to come in.....dynamics.....gears......etc....My advice to all GT owners....Get the new MACH 1 shaker set up for 99+GT's.....then no more wondering.

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.Get the new MACH 1 shaker set up for 99+GT's.....then no more wondering.
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y get the hood kit..it only adds at the most 5hp

ORIGINAL: RollinThunder



.Get the new MACH 1 shaker set up for 99+GT's.....then no more wondering.
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y get the hood kit..it only adds at the most 5hp
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lol.....I can't find the link of where they guy said he gained 15-20, Of course there were other things done to his car...remove air silencers and some more tweaking. I will find it and post it....i will keep looking for it....In the mean time...this link below is a must see for every 99+ GT owner. Just in case someone didn't see it in the street/strip section. Let it be know, if you don't know...now you know the capability of the Mod 4.6.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0205mmff_shootout/

a srt4 might be faster off the lot mabe. in the end walk in to a bar and tell a woman u have a stang or a neon see which reaction is better. women and rental places buy ugly neons men buy stangs and f-bodies peroid.

a srt 4 with 500+ fwhp what the hell are u going to do with that. i have driven my friends 96 gt with 405 "RWHP" and it is an art to get off the line with minimal spin and a good launch. hell i have 248 and i have to finesse off the line

also for the red neon with the hand brake i can do that with 275's in the back and my brakes binding the drive tires try and hit your brake and tell if those cookie cutters u call tires keep spinning bite me ricer

ORIGINAL: neogenic83

also for the red neon with the hand brake i can do that with 275's in the back and my brakes binding the drive tires try and hit your brake and tell if those cookie cutters u call tires keep spinning bite me ricer


No need to continue to argue with some of these people my friend. Some don't believe stangs are capable of 13.7's in stock trim. Have anyone ever took time to think that maybe it's not the car....The driver plays a big part too....But who am i....I don't know anything and my claims of stangs running just as fast as neons are false.

This was taken from Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords...In October 2003 Evan Smith stated in his "Racer's Notebook" that an average driver could run the quarter in 14.00@101 in a 99+GT, anything slower and it's your fault...a better than average driver should do it in 13.7 with the right conditions. Ford claimed times of 13.9 back in september 1998. I know it seems to be no end to this...I stated my claim...I've ran 13's in stock form...but i can't speak for everyone.

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta

First, the stock tire comment I got right off of an SRT forum, and I linked to my source, and I've also seen a few run at our local track. Second, you should actually comprehend all I've been saying about the SRT-4. I said they have more potential than a Mustang INITIALLY - because of the easy ability to control the boost without alot of money. BUT- AND A BIG BUT - they are already running alot of boost, not leaving much room for improvement. You will NEVER see 10 and 11 second Neons like you see Mustangs. Their are VERY few 12 second SRT-4's and even fewer 11 second SRT-4's. Their are NONE anywhere even close to 10.99's to my knowledge.

Now how, with all this potential, are their not any "really fast" SRT-4's? I mean their are stock NA engine Mustang GT's with nothing more than cams and bolt-ons running 11's! Those guys running 11's in the Neons I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY they even have the stock turbo. I mean my god, put a turbo on a mustang and hello 600+ rwhp.

All Im saying is the Neons have alot of initial potential, but because they already have a turbo running what, like 14 psi boost? - I mean how much more is left after that? After you increse the boost where do you go next? Their just isn't a whole lot more to work with other than increasing the boost.

I'm glad you have friends with SRT-4's. Im really honestly and truley happy for you. Yes their capable than most people give them credit for - but I do give them credit - you just haven't been listening. I have given my sources for everything I've said.

Oh, and about that comment about a Cobra being a Mustang, and a Grand National being a Regal - let me tell you that they are no where NEAR the piece of sh*t a Dodge Neon is. Until you actually turn a wrench on something, stfu about its reliability.


For the record...I am NOT starting a war on this topic again...

Actually I sat back and laughed at a lot of the comments in this thread...from both sides.

But, I did want to post this up to show where this car has gone in 3-4 years http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f258/red-sled-2007-season-end-video-405142/

Their record now is 9.45@154.xx

I can't imagine the money that has been put into this....more than I would EVER spend on a neon


-Phil

ORIGINAL: Monty

The 4.6 has more potential!


That is correct! It must be a generational thing (My kids are in their 20's) but we didn't see compact, 4-door economy rental cars as being too cool. You can put turbos on a lawnmower and make it faster than something else! Just because you turbo what someone else here called an economy rental car, and made it go pretty fast doesn't get me too energized.It is still a Neon for crying out loud. This thread is all"apples and oranges". Every car will beat some other car. Let's compare apples with apples. They turboed a Neon. OK, then turbo a GT andTHEN compare. Just so happens I have a s/c'd 2000 GT and I have paired against a new SRT4 complete with its crew ofstocking capped (is that what you call them?), baggy pants roady crew and beat him by about 30 car lengths and 2 full seconds (at a drag strip with lights and timers....not at a stoplight.I'm only guessing 30 car lengths. I know I could see his headlights way back there and I saw him go through the traps as I was getting my time slip.) They are OK I guess. Just wouldn't want to spend my money on something andhave it look like I got it from Enterprise.

ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
LMAO, I wish I had a dollar for every a@#wipe in a acura integra that thought they were gonna embarass me at a light,hell, I leave half of those clowns even while I am spinning.
And it seems that SRT-4 and most recently Cobalt SS owners are pricks, think they have a supercar with 4 cylinders, get real. I know my car is no beast,pretty much stock, but at least I have the common sense to drive a well built respected car, and not to go picking on Z06's or Vipers thinking I am going to somehow hand them their ass. These ricers need to get real and drive a real car.

Dub. Dont try to go over to the SRT forum and convince them that the GT is faster for two reasons:

1. With equal professional drivers a 04 SRT-4 (and probably a good running 03) will beat a 99+ 5 speed. The 04s are capable of 13.8s dead stock, and i have not seen many if any stock GTs do this.

2. They will never listen to what you are saying. They are completly conviced the SRT is a superior car. If you notice one guy was saying that stock vs stock a SRT-4 is faster than a 03 cobra! They do not want to hear that a GT will beat em.

Understand that most of em are coming from a ricer crowd, and if you know anything of ricers you know they compeletly hate/underestimate the GT. I can't count the number of dumbass import owners that have reved on me thinking they were gonna hand me my ass with a K&N and a fart can.

It is completly a drivers race, but they are never going to beileve that. SRT owners are very defensive by nature.

Wow, some funny stuff in this thread. Like I tell all my ricer friends who pull the 4 cylinder card..... "Since you have half the cylinders of my car, give my car half the boost of yours...."

..... that usually shuts 'em up!

my friend around where i live has a modded srt4...best was i think 13.2 or 13.4.

dont like the looks of them at all. Rustangs ftmfw!

in my opinion 99-04 gt vs a srt4 = a drivers race...but lets see what car is going to last longer and not crumble after 100k..as for the srt 4 guys can i ask why did u even go through the hassle of registering and looking for threads to start stupid fights n debates on..this is mustangforums so just go back to the srt forums and worry about your own cars.

The srt-4 is pushing out between 13-15 psi stock for 220hp, so even with all the bolt ons, you can't run a whole lot more boost on pump gas. So just buy a stang and put a supercharger on it and run 9psi for 380 rwhp. v8's are always better

dude...who cares. The last post was from june of 2004. let it go...

who cares about how fast they are?
do you think most girls car how fast your car is?
it's all about the look.
if you ask any girl to pick between the gt and a srt, i'm pretty sure 100% will pick the gt.

ORIGINAL: nomocobra

2800 lb car vs 3400 lb car...both dyno the same hp to the wheels stock...think about it:eek:


which one has to wait for a turbo? you can just point at peak power and say the ligher one will win. torque is what throws you down the track, horsepower doesnt kick in until you are well down the track, so think about a Turbo 4cyl or V8 N/A my car makes over 200ft.lbs of torque to the wheels at 1,200rpms does an SRT4 doubtful.

(realizing this thread is older than dirt)

the srt-4 is a piece of crap made to be fast stock (for a 4 banger). cant get full leather seats, the back 2 windows arent even power windows they have ****ing 1980 manual roll down windows, it looks like a ****ing girls car, AND ON TOP OF THAT ITS NICKNAMED THE SKITTLE! no self respecting man would ever drive a car known as a skittle.

they are driven by dumb highschool kids who are still cought up with the fast and the furious. i havent found one willing to race me but my friend said he took one from a 40 roll in his GT (lightly modded gt). drivers race is the best call. but the car is still horrid in comparison to a GT when its all said and done so WHO CARES.

personally, I hate front wheel drive with a burning passion. So even if the car has 500 hp, it's still gay and won't get traction till about 80mph. I'd much rather own a mustang than a rental car with a turbo.

ORIGINAL: MU71L4710N

(realizing this thread is older than dirt)

the srt-4 is a piece of crap made to be fast stock (for a 4 banger). cant get full leather seats, the back 2 windows arent even power windows they have ****ing 1980 manual roll down windows, it looks like a ****ing girls car, AND ON TOP OF THAT ITS NICKNAMED THE SKITTLE! no self respecting man would ever drive a car known as a skittle.

they are driven by dumb highschool kids who are still cought up with the fast and the furious. i havent found one willing to race me but my friend said he took one from a 40 roll in his GT (lightly modded gt). drivers race is the best call. but the car is still horrid in comparison to a GT when its all said and done so WHO CARES.


Like I said in the first post after I read this old thread...it was funny to read some of the responses. I only posted up to show where the srt-4 has gone in 3-4 years with the 9.44 1/4 mile

I'm not here to fight...I loved my mustang when I had it, especially the sound of it.

But...you are mistaken on some of your stereotypes of this car. The few srt-4 owners on this site are not in high school, nor immature kids.

As for the post by 4.6lpoppy...I doubt many people here would agree with you. The original thread was about a stock gt vs. a stock srt-4. That's it...when you start to mod them, the gloves come off. I want to make sure with this post I give credit to the guys on this site who have their head on straight and don't make posts like that.


-Phil

All I can say is Wow! When the SRT-4 first came out, I thought they were nothing more than a turbo neon...then I opened my eyes. Within the past year as a matter of fact. You guys saying that the SRT-4 is a piece of crap really need to do some research. How the hell does a pos hold 450whp safely. That lame excuse of "give a stang 12psi and see what happens" holds no water. I'll tell what would happen to a stock GT with 12psi, it would blow the fuk up. There are member(s) here running high 11s on stock internals with an SRT-4. Give credit where credit is due. The other statement about the 4.6 having more potential is true ONLY if the potential requires more money. I'm not talkingabout slapping a Procharger on a stock GT and pushing 400rwhp just waiting to break either. I mean a fully forged blown motor with 450rwhp that can safely have the absolute crap driven out of it everyday.
Looks are subjective BTW.

^^^^

And comments/posters like that are the reason I'm still here. People who enjoy cars for cars and have respect for something quick, popular or not.


-Phil

LOL who dug up this little gem of a thread. Well gotta say the comments on this one were just about perfect. I liked the walk into a bar comment and tell the ladies you have a Mustang comment. Yea that gets the ladies wet.:eek:I walk into a bar, the girls dont even care if Irode in on a bicycleafter they see me. They'll be willing to drive me to their house in their car.;)Have a little confidence in yourself loser. Then theres the guys that dont know **** about cars talking about torque wins races. Well this just in kids but turbo cars usally make equal torque numbers to their HP numbers. So if they have 300HP there going to have 300 torque. N/A cars dont have it so good. Then there was the SRT troll that walked in and boldly claimed that the neon would woop ass on a car thats putting down almost the same exact1/4 numbers stock to stock. Both the SRT-4 and the New edge are slow ass low to mid 14 second cars on average. But who ever dug this puppy up, Thanks. it was a pretty funny read. I would have voted drivers race if I got invloved with this thread 2 years ago.:D

i give credit, its fast for bieng a turbod neon. someone hit 9's with it was this ever thought to be impossible? i can show you plenty of 4cyl civics that run that or better so it was only a matter of time.

buddy in my shop who has a sprayed, forged sentra se-r sent me an email i guess 2 months ago about a 4cyl integra that was converted to a rwd funny car with 4000hp (that is one thousand horsepower per cylinder...THAT is credit, cuz i havent seen an 8,000hp mustang). doesnt change my opinion on integras though.


i guess i'm bias'd cuz every srt-4 owner ive ever talked to talked **** and were much younger than me. when asked to race i never found one that would race me (and i wasnt even talking **** like i was going to win granted, i was wanting to race to see what one does against a GT cuz from what ive read both cars are rated at 13.9sec quarter miles...i like to race my car to see what it does against other cars)

The srt-4 that ran the 9.44 [just an fyi] has between 800-900 hp and is automatic, but still fwd.


-Phil

ORIGINAL: MU71L4710N

i give credit, its fast for bieng a turbod neon. someone hit 9's with it was this ever thought to be impossible? i can show you plenty of 4cyl civics that run that or better so it was only a matter of time.

buddy in my shop who has a sprayed, forged sentra se-r sent me an email i guess 2 months ago about a 4cyl integra that was converted to a rwd funny car with 4000hp (that is one thousand horsepower per cylinder...THAT is credit, cuz i havent seen an 8,000hp mustang). doesnt change my opinion on integras though.


i guess i'm bias'd cuz every srt-4 owner ive ever talked to talked **** and were much younger than me. when asked to race i never found one that would race me (and i wasnt even talking **** like i was going to win granted, i was wanting to race to see what one does against a GT cuz from what ive read both cars are rated at 13.9sec quarter miles...i like to race my car to see what it does against other cars)
Where are you located? If your anywhere near jersey I'd be more than happy to run you.;)

I had to get my 2 cents in on that one. How anyone can still trash talk something that has been proven is beyond me. Pure ignorance. I love the comment about walking into a bar too. Most girls I see in bars would'nt know what the hell a GT or SRT-4 is to begin with. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked if my Mach is a V6. Yea, drive a GT, that'll definetly get you laid :eek:

Hey MU71L4710N, I said give credit to the fact that it can do it on a STOCK engine without blowing up. You are bringing up funny cars for Gods Sake. Focus my son....Focus[8D]

I love coming on other forums and reading all the threads, more action going on here than in the forums for my car lol. Loved the comment form the SRT4 troll earlier in the thread talking about it having 'Viper seats' and the bar comment was also funny... :D

ORIGINAL: MU71L4710N

(realizing this thread is older than dirt)

the srt-4 is a piece of crap made to be fast stock (for a 4 banger). cant get full leather seats, the back 2 windows arent even power windows they have ****ing 1980 manual roll down windows, it looks like a ****ing girls car, AND ON TOP OF THAT ITS NICKNAMED THE SKITTLE! no self respecting man would ever drive a car known as a skittle.

they are driven by dumb highschool kids who are still cought up with the fast and the furious. i havent found one willing to race me but my friend said he took one from a 40 roll in his GT (lightly modded gt). drivers race is the best call. but the car is still horrid in comparison to a GT when its all said and done so WHO CARES.


if u live in florida let me know, i will smoke your stang so u can see what skittle can do:D

There ya go! I checked his profile and he is indeed in florida. Lets set up a little race maybe get a little video. Could be fun. When all is said and done. You might want to run out and buy a supercharger.:D

ORIGINAL: SubTexel

I love coming on other forums and reading all the threads, more action going on here than in the forums for my car lol. Loved the comment form the SRT4 troll earlier in the thread talking about it having 'Viper seats' and the bar comment was also funny... :D


What's funny about the "viper seats"? I guess because they don't have actual viper seats and viper "inspired" seats. Ha, mine are comfortable, I don't have the viper inspired seats.


-Phil

ok so the SRT-4 is the top of the line neon that falls far behind the top of the line mustang, the cobra. the cobra's 03-04 were built for boost, so is the neon, if the GT's were built for boost im sure you could throw tons of it at em and leave the SRT-4 way behind. whoopidy do a srt-4 hit 9's with how many power adders and on pump gas? doubtful.

ORIGINAL: I G Joe

ok so the SRT-4 is the top of the line neon that falls far behind the top of the line mustang, the cobra. the cobra's 03-04 were built for boost, so is the neon, if the GT's were built for boost im sure you could throw tons of it at em and leave the SRT-4 way behind. whoopidy do a srt-4 hit 9's with how many power adders and on pump gas? doubtful.


See....you missed it.

The point of bumping this old thread was to show what the neon has done AND to laugh at the responses on both sides of the argument.

The post you just made falls in the latter- you say put boost on a mustang and then race. Well, we could, but that wouldn't be even either. Seriously a LOT of people use that argument, but if you do that then you have a 4cyl and a V8 both with boost [although it still can go the way of the neon in some cases]. BUT, if the people making that argument REALLY want to make it fair, then boost the GT, then double the displacement of the neon. See, it's not a strong argument. We're not comparing V8 n/a to V8 w/boost. It's a circular argument that really goes nowhere.

***Edit- and the 9 second neon made it with ony 1 power adder.


-Phil

LOL! Do you have a Cobra numbnuts??? No you have a much slower GT. i'm 3 and 0 against cobras this year and I have mustang driving members of this forum that were at ATCO and can back me up on this. How will your car do against these sad little 4 bangers???[:@]

I still want an explanation on how exactly a SRT-4 is a POS....I'm feelimg some hostility from people that may have been bent over by an SRT-4 once or twice.

When I sit inside a srt4 it makes me want to go hulk...Its so cheap I feel like smashing everything around me...Same for the pt cruiser[>:]

But the srt4 and the pt cruiser GT are quick cars though.

See that's what I don't get though.

I'm NOT saying the rt-4 has a great interior...but seriously, what do the 99-04 gt's have inside that make them so great? I drive my old gt from time to time and I just don't get how it's so much nicer.

I do see how things in the 05-07 gt's look nicer on the inside, but seriously, it's ford...ford doesn't make anything look great on the inside compared to other car companies.

The only inside of a sports car I think is "nice" is the GTO...which is normal because the GM products are usaually nicer on the inside


-Phil

That's what I was going to say too. Sit in a GTO and then get back in your New Edge. Trust me, you'll have a whole different view of Ford Quality. The s-197s are much better, thank God. My Mach interior rattles and vibrates enough to cause me to have to turn the radio way up just to block it out. I'll agree that SRT-4s have shat for interior, but so does the stang.:D

You get what you pay for. The srt-4 was 20 grand in 04, And if I'm not mistaken the Mustang was about 25. Inexpensive by sports car standards! But thats what draws me to both cars. You can buy either, brand new and throw 5 to 7 grand worth of mods on them and go hunt Ferraris. Which by the way if money was no object I'd be cruizin in.;)

ORIGINAL: GT/SRT

See that's what I don't get though.

I'm NOT saying the rt-4 has a great interior...but seriously, what do the 99-04 gt's have inside that make them so great? I drive my old gt from time to time and I just don't get how it's so much nicer.

I do see how things in the 05-07 gt's look nicer on the inside, but seriously, it's ford...ford doesn't make anything look great on the inside compared to other car companies.

The only inside of a sports car I think is "nice" is the GTO...which is normal because the GM products are usaually nicer on the inside


-Phil



Ha funny joke.

I am not saying my mustang has great interior, but it is much better than a neons, that is not an opinion.

But comeon now the neons interior sucks! there is no cushion on the door, same cheap chrysler radio used in every car..no cruise..plastic, plastic and more plastic...

Whenever the topic of interiors comes in, someone always mentions GTO....GTOs still have the cheap knobs,cheap buttons as every other american cars..it just looks nice though..

I drive all these cars alot, so I speak from experience..

I am probably the most unbiased guy here. But facts are facts.

So are saying GTOs have a cheap interior? Between the IRS, the foam filled frame( for noise reduction) the awesome seats,the soft dash,the amazing lack of interior rattles, and zero wind noise at 160mph, I would have to say they are pretty damn nice cars and miles ahead in the quality dept. than other domestics and cheap imports. I owned one for a year.

ORIGINAL: Stone629

So are saying GTOs have a cheap interior? Between the IRS, the foam filled frame( for noise reduction) the awesome seats,the soft dash,the amazing lack of interior rattles, and zero wind noise at 160mph, I would have to say they are pretty damn nice cars and miles ahead in the quality dept. than other domestics and cheap imports. I owned one for a year.


The interior is cheap, the only quailty interiors are those in german cars...If they were really as great as you describe them, then there would be tons on the road.

and the leather in them is hard and it sucks.

People don't like the way they look. That's why they didn't sell so great. You are honestly first I've heard say the GTO had bad seats and a cheap interior though.

ORIGINAL: fiad06

ORIGINAL: Stone629

So are saying GTOs have a cheap interior? Between the IRS, the foam filled frame( for noise reduction) the awesome seats,the soft dash,the amazing lack of interior rattles, and zero wind noise at 160mph, I would have to say they are pretty damn nice cars and miles ahead in the quality dept. than other domestics and cheap imports. I owned one for a year.


The interior is cheap, the only quailty interiors are those in german cars...If they were really as great as you describe them, then there would be tons on the road.

and the leather in them is hard and it sucks.



so you are not being baised here!!!what in hell is cheap in the gto (Leather everywhere, power seats, confy seats, awesome sporty seats, great dash, the trip computer is ****ing awesome, the odometer is really nice, quiet as hell i mean i had 1 chamber flowmaster with long tube headers and if i had the windows shut, you could barely hear the v8 roar, no rattle whatsoever, suspension is the best i have ever had, etc. You are just a hater thats all [:'(]

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

There ya go! I checked his profile and he is indeed in florida. Lets set up a little race maybe get a little video. Could be fun. When all is said and done. You might want to run out and buy a supercharger.:D


Awesome, im sure after the race he will think twice before talking sh!t about skittle being so slow and ugly :D

i do live in florida, panama city which is about 10 hours away from you. and im not driving that, if ur ever up here let me know. how much have you invested in your car? ive got what...300$ installed right now between a CAI and an offroad pipe (im not conceded, unless your the worst driver in the world you should beat me)? im halfway to my blower setup anyways unless i hit a snag i'll have my car blown by summer this year, or unless i have a change of heart i might get on the bottle like everyone i know, but im the rebel.

no i will still call the "skittle" ugly. can you please enlighten me as to how the "skittle" got its name while were on the subject? cute how you made your text match the color of your car btw

ORIGINAL: fiad06

ORIGINAL: GT/SRT

See that's what I don't get though.

I'm NOT saying the rt-4 has a great interior...but seriously, what do the 99-04 gt's have inside that make them so great? I drive my old gt from time to time and I just don't get how it's so much nicer.

I do see how things in the 05-07 gt's look nicer on the inside, but seriously, it's ford...ford doesn't make anything look great on the inside compared to other car companies.

The only inside of a sports car I think is "nice" is the GTO...which is normal because the GM products are usaually nicer on the inside


-Phil



Ha funny joke.

I am not saying my mustang has great interior, but it is much better than a neons, that is not an opinion.

But comeon now the neons interior sucks! there is no cushion on the door, same cheap chrysler radio used in every car..no cruise..plastic, plastic and more plastic...

Whenever the topic of interiors comes in, someone always mentions GTO....GTOs still have the cheap knobs,cheap buttons as every other american cars..it just looks nice though..

I drive all these cars alot, so I speak from experience..

I am probably the most unbiased guy here. But facts are facts.



I'm not just arguing for the sake of it...but I remember my old mustang very well. It rattled all the time, and I just 'loved" the whole "mustang" passenger dash. The 99-04 gt interiors are just outdated. Ford [until the s197] just did not build "nice" interiors. Now, their interiors in their trucks and explorers got better in 04, but until 05 the mustangs interior is just eh.

And GM cars are more comfortable. Chevy vehicles [for the most part] are nicer and more comfortable with up to date technology on the inside. Of course I'm ONLY comparing the Chevy to Dodge and Ford...the three "big dogs."

Either way, it doesn't matter, but I don't mind my interior, it's better than my 2000 gt and a few of the Ford trucks I've had.


-Phil

ORIGINAL: MU71L4710N

i do live in florida, panama city which is about 10 hours away from you. and im not driving that, if ur ever up here let me know. how much have you invested in your car? ive got what...300$ installed right now between a CAI and an offroad pipe (im not conceded, unless your the worst driver in the world you should beat me)? im halfway to my blower setup anyways unless i hit a snag i'll have my car blown by summer this year, or unless i have a change of heart i might get on the bottle like everyone i know, but im the rebel.

no i will still call the "skittle" ugly. can you please enlighten me as to how the "skittle" got its name while were on the subject? cute how you made your text match the color of your car btw
10 hours away??? I didn't know Florida was that big? Last time I drove to Florida from Jersey I made the trip in 14 hours. Well you can't say we didn't try to set you up a race. Seams like your the one that talked large and isnot to interested in a race now. And to answer the skittle thing it's a nick name we gave ourselves. Its round and comes in fruity colors just like the candy. Thats why it doesn't bother us when people call our cars skittles.

Exaclty...it wasn't a name given as an insult, so who cares. Oh, and I LOVE the fact that it's a neon. I've had my spoiler off for a long time, I don't get much attention at all on the road...other cars messing with me or cops.

Not to mention, I've got the fastest color...and it's not a skittle color:)[8D]



-Phil

ORIGINAL: MU71L4710N

i do live in florida, panama city which is about 10 hours away from you. and im not driving that, if ur ever up here let me know. how much have you invested in your car? ive got what...300$ installed right now between a CAI and an offroad pipe (im not conceded, unless your the worst driver in the world you should beat me)? im halfway to my blower setup anyways unless i hit a snag i'll have my car blown by summer this year, or unless i have a change of heart i might get on the bottle like everyone i know, but im the rebel.

no i will still call the "skittle" ugly. can you please enlighten me as to how the "skittle" got its name while were on the subject? cute how you made your text match the color of your car btw


Oh, and to this guy's credit...he lives in the panhandle of Florida while cacimar lives on the bottom of the peninsula...about 8 hours away. But I'm sure I could find some people [srtforums friends] in your area man.


-Phil

ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
A Mustang has a LOT of potential, the Neon is pretty much maxed out.


All in all when it all comes down, the SRT-4 will still be a cheap throw together rental car with a Turbo. In the end a Neon will still be a Neon, and a Neon will still be a piece of sh*t. Its just a piece of sh*t with a Turbo. I do applaud Dodge for making a fast piece of sh*t though.


A Neon? Yeah it's a Neon but a Grand National was also a Regal. A Cobra is still a Mustang. What's your point? I have quite a few friends with SRT-4s. The stock tires aren't that damn sticky or like radials. I've seen them right there in front of me as has NoMo.

Maxed out? They're capable of alot more then people give them credit for.

Here is a dyno chart of a stock SRT-4.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0407tur_srt02_z.jpg

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0407tur_srt/

ORIGINAL: MikeHawke
You realize that your car gets no respect BECAUSE IT'S A NEON and you look like a homo driving it. We don't have to tell everyone how fast or cool Mustangs are. It's obvious by the heads we turn.


Shut up MikeHawke. You call him a homo but you've got a penis in your avatar.

Looks in a Mustang? Not really unless you drive a Cobra. I see all kinds of GT's and V-6's around here. I drive a damn Mustang Cobra so I'm not giving some biased opinion. Fact is Mustangs don't turn any heads because like Neon's alot of people have them.



So what if you drive a Cobra? Do you want a medal? I drive a GT Vert and I am willing to bet any amount of money chicks dig verts 10 times more than a coupe cobra! They don't even know the difference between a cobra and a GT!

I love how you give him shiit for ragging on some tool that starts **** in a mustang forum, aren't we supposed to be on the same team on this site? Or are you just nuthugging on your SRT boyfriend?

Ten bucks says I pull up in my vert gt, and you pull up in your Cobra......I'll get the looks everytime. Vert, FTMFWB!!!!

I dont think any of you guys have had anywomen in a long while after reading a few of your "my Mustang will help get me laid" posts.:D

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

I dont think any of you guys have had anywomen in a long while after reading a few of your "my Mustang will help get me laid" posts.:D


You obviously don't live by the beach. Chicks do check out your ride. Having a hot car, and especially a vert in a beach area! I think someone's just jealous that their car wouldn't get them laid:D

Being married I don't have to play that game anymore. I get laid whenver I want. So [8D]

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

I dont think any of you guys have had anywomen in a long while after reading a few of your "my Mustang will help get me laid" posts.:D


You obviously don't live by the beach. Chicks do check out your ride. Having a hot car, and especially a vert in a beach area! I think someone's just jealous that their car wouldn't get them laid:D

Being married I don't have to play that game anymore. I get laid whenver I want. So [8D]

I dont need any help getting the ladies but if you do thats cool. I was blessed with good genetics:D, you got your mustang and if that gives you a little more confidence then more power to ya! Some dudes need all the help they can get.[8D]

jaja this thread gets better and better, Well where i live if u dont drive a beemer or a benz chances are u wont get the hot girls around here, cuz they are very materialistic. I live in delray beach near boca raton and this places are full of rich people riding in buggatis, ferraris, bmw well you get the picture. Havig said that there are still some none-blonde materialistic girl that all you need is 40 bucks to buy her some drinks toget her tipzy and bring her home lol [8D]

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

I dont think any of you guys have had anywomen in a long while after reading a few of your "my Mustang will help get me laid" posts.:D


You obviously don't live by the beach. Chicks do check out your ride. Having a hot car, and especially a vert in a beach area! I think someone's just jealous that their car wouldn't get them laid:D

Being married I don't have to play that game anymore. I get laid whenver I want. So [8D]

I dont need any help getting the ladies but if you do thats cool. I was blessed with good genetics:D, you got your mustang and if that gives you a little more confidence then more power to ya! Some dudes need all the help they can get.[8D]


Well being that I'm 6'2.5" and 195lbs I don't need much help. You ask any female and they'll tell you tall guys have long....................socks if ya catch my drift ;)

It's kind of like the guys that say size doesn't matter. Those that say that are covering up the fact that they have small peckers.

Just cause your jealous your car is small, doesn't mean you have to say size doesn't matter[8D]

ORIGINAL: cacimar

jaja this thread gets better and better, Well where i live if u dont drive a beemer or a benz chances are u wont get the hot girls around here, cuz they are very materialistic. I live in delray beach near boca raton and this places are full of rich people riding in buggatis, ferraris, bmw well you get the picture. Havig said that there are still some none-blonde materialistic girl that all you need is 40 bucks to buy her some drinks toget her tipzy and bring her home lol [8D]


Definitely true. I lived in Pompano Beach 2 years ago, and live in the Tampa area now. The east coast of Fl is nuts! BMW's are like ford taurus's there! Come to Tampa and driving a stang stands out more :D, not as many nice cars on the west coast! More hicks and less teeth[8D]

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

I dont think any of you guys have had anywomen in a long while after reading a few of your "my Mustang will help get me laid" posts.:D


You obviously don't live by the beach. Chicks do check out your ride. Having a hot car, and especially a vert in a beach area! I think someone's just jealous that their car wouldn't get them laid:D

Being married I don't have to play that game anymore. I get laid whenver I want. So [8D]

I dont need any help getting the ladies but if you do thats cool. I was blessed with good genetics:D, you got your mustang and if that gives you a little more confidence then more power to ya! Some dudes need all the help they can get.[8D]


Well being that I'm 6'2.5" and 195lbs I don't need much help. You ask any female and they'll tell you tall guys have long....................socks if ya catch my drift ;)

It's kind of like the guys that say size doesn't matter. Those that say that are covering up the fact that they have small peckers.

Just cause your jealous your car is small, doesn't mean you have to say size doesn't matter[8D]



LOL again you have nothing for me.......I'm 6'4 and 230. What were you saying about size there pee wee?:D

ORIGINAL: GT/SRT

Oh, and to this guy's credit...he lives in the panhandle of Florida while cacimar lives on the bottom of the peninsula...about 8 hours away. But I'm sure I could find some people [srtforums friends] in your area man.


-Phil



it took us over 6 hours to get to tampa 2 weekends ago. so if you think i'm going to waste an entire weekend and however much money driving to the southern end of florida ur out of ur mind. there are no major highways here. it takes an hour just to get to i-10.

ORIGINAL: MU71L4710N

ORIGINAL: GT/SRT

Oh, and to this guy's credit...he lives in the panhandle of Florida while cacimar lives on the bottom of the peninsula...about 8 hours away. But I'm sure I could find some people [srtforums friends] in your area man.


-Phil



it took us over 6 hours to get to tampa 2 weekends ago. so if you think i'm going to waste an entire weekend and however much money driving to the southern end of florida ur out of ur mind. there are no major highways here. it takes an hour just to get to i-10.


I didn't say you needed to drive that far...I said I can probably find someone in YOUR area if you just wanted to run a neon



-Phil

ORIGINAL: cacimar

ORIGINAL: fiad06

ORIGINAL: Stone629

So are saying GTOs have a cheap interior? Between the IRS, the foam filled frame( for noise reduction) the awesome seats,the soft dash,the amazing lack of interior rattles, and zero wind noise at 160mph, I would have to say they are pretty damn nice cars and miles ahead in the quality dept. than other domestics and cheap imports. I owned one for a year.


The interior is cheap, the only quailty interiors are those in german cars...If they were really as great as you describe them, then there would be tons on the road.

and the leather in them is hard and it sucks.



so you are not being baised here!!!what in hell is cheap in the gto (Leather everywhere, power seats, confy seats, awesome sporty seats, great dash, the trip computer is ****ing awesome, the odometer is really nice, quiet as hell i mean i had 1 chamber flowmaster with long tube headers and if i had the windows shut, you could barely hear the v8 roar, no rattle whatsoever, suspension is the best i have ever had, etc. You are just a hater thats all [:'(]


dude, how am I being biased on my opinion? I personally dont like the GTO interior, I think its cheap...you act like its some kind of luxury car!

I am not a hater, no where in my whole post did I put the car sucks as a whole. I really like the GTO, just because I dont like the interior doesnt mean I dont like the car..

ORIGINAL: GT/SRT

ORIGINAL: fiad06

ORIGINAL: GT/SRT

See that's what I don't get though.

I'm NOT saying the rt-4 has a great interior...but seriously, what do the 99-04 gt's have inside that make them so great? I drive my old gt from time to time and I just don't get how it's so much nicer.

I do see how things in the 05-07 gt's look nicer on the inside, but seriously, it's ford...ford doesn't make anything look great on the inside compared to other car companies.

The only inside of a sports car I think is "nice" is the GTO...which is normal because the GM products are usaually nicer on the inside


-Phil



Ha funny joke.

I am not saying my mustang has great interior, but it is much better than a neons, that is not an opinion.

But comeon now the neons interior sucks! there is no cushion on the door, same cheap chrysler radio used in every car..no cruise..plastic, plastic and more plastic...

Whenever the topic of interiors comes in, someone always mentions GTO....GTOs still have the cheap knobs,cheap buttons as every other american cars..it just looks nice though..

I drive all these cars alot, so I speak from experience..

I am probably the most unbiased guy here. But facts are facts.



I'm not just arguing for the sake of it...but I remember my old mustang very well. It rattled all the time, and I just 'loved" the whole "mustang" passenger dash. The 99-04 gt interiors are just outdated. Ford [until the s197] just did not build "nice" interiors. Now, their interiors in their trucks and explorers got better in 04, but until 05 the mustangs interior is just eh.

And GM cars are more comfortable. Chevy vehicles [for the most part] are nicer and more comfortable with up to date technology on the inside. Of course I'm ONLY comparing the Chevy to Dodge and Ford...the three "big dogs."

Either way, it doesn't matter, but I don't mind my interior, it's better than my 2000 gt and a few of the Ford trucks I've had.


-Phil



Phil, I am not telling you that my mustang or any mustangs interior is "nice" as you quote.. But I think they are better than the neons.. my opinion is that its a fact:D..but if you think your neon has a nicer interior,than you think its nicer...some people are just stubborn[8D]

EDIT: double post

The good thing is, just like the interior is "cheap looking"....so is the outside.

Therefore...I don't get NEARLY as much attention as I used to get in my black stang w/5% tint and an exhaust w/out cats[8D]


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-Phil

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

I dont think any of you guys have had anywomen in a long while after reading a few of your "my Mustang will help get me laid" posts.:D


You obviously don't live by the beach. Chicks do check out your ride. Having a hot car, and especially a vert in a beach area! I think someone's just jealous that their car wouldn't get them laid:D

Being married I don't have to play that game anymore. I get laid whenver I want. So [8D]

I dont need any help getting the ladies but if you do thats cool. I was blessed with good genetics:D, you got your mustang and if that gives you a little more confidence then more power to ya! Some dudes need all the help they can get.[8D]


Well being that I'm 6'2.5" and 195lbs I don't need much help. You ask any female and they'll tell you tall guys have long....................socks if ya catch my drift ;)

It's kind of like the guys that say size doesn't matter. Those that say that are covering up the fact that they have small peckers.

Just cause your jealous your car is small, doesn't mean you have to say size doesn't matter[8D]



LOL again you have nothing for me.......I'm 6'4 and 230. What were you saying about size there pee wee?:D


hahahaha!! This is where I would enter a owned pic if I knew how to upload one![8D]

Funny man, I've always got most people by size and height. Question is.....230lbs of fat or muscle? ;)

http://bs.bungie.org/owned.gif

I used to roast the doors off older GTs and even the newer ones last summer in my stage 2 srt-4..
still trading her in though for a GT.:D:D:D

..that SC kit is just going to be sickkkk!!! lol.

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

I dont think any of you guys have had anywomen in a long while after reading a few of your "my Mustang will help get me laid" posts.:D


You obviously don't live by the beach. Chicks do check out your ride. Having a hot car, and especially a vert in a beach area! I think someone's just jealous that their car wouldn't get them laid:D

Being married I don't have to play that game anymore. I get laid whenver I want. So [8D]

I dont need any help getting the ladies but if you do thats cool. I was blessed with good genetics:D, you got your mustang and if that gives you a little more confidence then more power to ya! Some dudes need all the help they can get.[8D]


Well being that I'm 6'2.5" and 195lbs I don't need much help. You ask any female and they'll tell you tall guys have long....................socks if ya catch my drift ;)

It's kind of like the guys that say size doesn't matter. Those that say that are covering up the fact that they have small peckers.

Just cause your jealous your car is small, doesn't mean you have to say size doesn't matter[8D]



LOL again you have nothing for me.......I'm 6'4 and 230. What were you saying about size there pee wee?:D


Hey Blue, you shoud let my skinny (145LB) arse take your car down the track a couple times! Might drop one or two tenths off you ET [8D]

The bad thing about that is the car would jerk you all over...you wouldnt shift right...you need a real man[8D]

That's true. The torque steer on those things would prolly sling me out the window! I'll stick with the lowly wittle Mach;)

what it lacks in the low end traction,it more the makes up with it's top end..even at 120ish the car pulls hard til about 158-160 with my stage 2..stage 3 top end is even quicker from 30-16o esp with high octane mode on (350whp)[:'(]

though it takes an experianced driver to really get the most out of it from a dig..even with only 280ish lbs. of torque in my car ,from 1st if you floor it..have fun,it's nothing but wheel hop/spin lol.

i raced an srt-4 from a 10mph roll.. i raced him when i only had intake and no mufflers. we were lined up at a light but i dindt want to launch out of no where because we didnt signal to race but as soon as we took off he floored it so i floored it to..all the way till 30-40mnph i kept spinning because my tires at that time were old but the whole time i was ahead of him by 1/2 a car and when we hit 60 i started to pull more and we shut off..he rolled by i asked wat he had, he said he was stock..

ORIGINAL: EaZy DuZ iT

i raced an srt-4 from a 10mph roll.. i raced him when i only had intake and no mufflers. we were lined up at a light but i dindt want to launch out of no where because we didnt signal to race but as soon as we took off he floored it so i floored it to..all the way till 30-40mnph i kept spinning because my tires at that time were old but the whole time i was ahead of him by 1/2 a car and when we hit 60 i started to pull more and we shut off..he rolled by i asked wat he had, he said he was stock..


for a stockish one that sounds about right

ORIGINAL: Stone629
Hey Blue, you shoud let my skinny (145LB) arse take your car down the track a couple times! Might drop one or two tenths off you ET [8D]
Ok,dude long as I get to make a pass in the Mach! With the slicks on you wont get any torque steer. Have you ever done a six grand clutch drop on a car that weighs less that 3000 pounds with you in it before?:D

6 grand clutch drop damn, doesnt that fry the clutch? [&:]

ORIGINAL: cacimar

6 grand clutch drop damn, doesnt that fry the clutch? [&:]
I have a clutch master stage 4 six puck. It took the beating like a champ this season. No slipping at all. I did destroy the stock clutch 2 years ago. And I had issues with an upgraded clutch after the dodge stealer ship installed one wrong for me. But when it comes time to do your clutch I'd recomend the Stage 4 clutch master.

ORIGINAL: 96GT

I raced an SRT-4 from a 65 roll and put 2 1/2 cars on him to about 120. They are def. quicker than you would think. The guy was a jerk about it. He tryed to pick on me, and then after he lost, flicked me off while doing a ricer flyby.


im not reading this whole thread but your a joke. There is no way you put 2 cars on him, let alone pull at all. They are known for being roll monsters. Unless your F/I then theres no way. Ive gotten messed up by a few on a roll, knowing i would but a race is fun anytime.

ORIGINAL: ColinGT

ORIGINAL: 96GT

I raced an SRT-4 from a 65 roll and put 2 1/2 cars on him to about 120. They are def. quicker than you would think. The guy was a jerk about it. He tryed to pick on me, and then after he lost, flicked me off while doing a ricer flyby.


im not reading this whole thread but your a joke. There is no way you put 2 cars on him, let alone pull at all. They are known for being roll monsters. Unless your F/I then theres no way. Ive gotten messed up by a few on a roll, knowing i would but a race is fun anytime.


I lost to a srt4 from a roll also, it was stage 2 though.

But I believe he beat the srt4 though, the driver might of shifter to early or to late. And maybe 2 cars to him is like 1/2 to us.

wow this is an old thread. thing that caught my eye out of these whole like 7 pages was the guy saying 99-04 GT's are capable of 13.7 stock, I'd be suprised to see if even 5 poeple on the 4.6 forum could drive that well to get that time[>:]

ORIGINAL: silverstang1996

wow this is an old thread. thing that caught my eye out of these whole like 7 pages was the guy saying 99-04 GT's are capable of 13.7 stock, I'd be suprised to see if even 5 poeple on the 4.6 forum could drive that well to get that time[>:]


5.....No. But I have seen 2 people claim that on this site before. They must have weighed like 3lbs soaking wet though [8D]

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?
I'll be 41 in march and I've lifted 4 to 5 days a week sinse my highschool football days. No six pack any more but I'm fairly well put together & I can still bench 350. Not bad for an old geezer.

that is pretty good! i got 200 the other day and im only 16 lol
but theres nothing like a good ol'e rivalry

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?
I'll be 41 in march and I've lifted 4 to 5 days a week sinse my highschool football days. No six pack any more but I'm fairly well put together & I can still bench 350. Not bad for an old geezer.


I guess you haven't practiced your spelling since high school though, huh? lol i had to say that[8D]

since everybody knows im new with the skittle, what makes them so deadly from a roll? Is it the turbo or the gearing or the weight? [&:]cuz evo or stiare notthat goodfrom a roll according to many of you so ?

ORIGINAL: silverstang1996

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?
I'll be 41 in march and I've lifted 4 to 5 days a week sinse my highschool football days. No six pack any more but I'm fairly well put together & I can still bench 350. Not bad for an old geezer.


I guess you haven't practiced your spelling since high school though, huh? lol i had to say that[8D]

I was the kid in the 3rd. grade spelling bee that said, K-A-T! Can I sit the F*ck down now!!![8D]:D

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?
I'll be 41 in march and I've lifted 4 to 5 days a week sinse my highschool football days. No six pack any more but I'm fairly well put together & I can still bench 350. Not bad for an old geezer.


Not bad. Looks like the score has been evened up though.....I'm all muscle baby, no fat:D

350 for an old geezer is really good! I've been at a plateau for the last few months and can't seem to get passed 360lbs for 6,4,2 reps. Shrugs I'm a beast at though....405lbs for reps of 12, 4 sets:D

Guess you can't win 'em all bluebeast[8D]

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: silverstang1996

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?
I'll be 41 in march and I've lifted 4 to 5 days a week sinse my highschool football days. No six pack any more but I'm fairly well put together & I can still bench 350. Not bad for an old geezer.


I guess you haven't practiced your spelling since high school though, huh? lol i had to say that[8D]

I was the kid in the 3rd. grade spelling bee that said, K-A-T! Can I sit the F*ck down now!!![8D]:D


BWAHAHA!! Your a Brian Regan fan too I take it:D

He is f'n hilarious live! I saw him at Hard Rock Cafe Orlando and i could barely breathe to say the least.

ORIGINAL: cacimar

since everybody knows im new with the skittle, what makes them so deadly from a roll? Is it the turbo or the gearing or the weight? [&:]cuz evo or stiare notthat goodfrom a roll according to many of you so ?


Just speculation, but isn't it because turbocharged cars are at their sweet spot above 3000rpms?

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?
I'll be 41 in march and I've lifted 4 to 5 days a week sinse my highschool football days. No six pack any more but I'm fairly well put together & I can still bench 350. Not bad for an old geezer.


Not bad. Looks like the score has been evened up though.....I'm all muscle baby, no fat:D

350 for an old geezer is really good! I've been at a plateau for the last few months and can't seem to get passed 360lbs for 6,4,2 reps. Shrugs I'm a beast at though....405lbs for reps of 12, 4 sets:D

Guess you can't win 'em all bluebeast[8D]

As far as the weights go I gave up trying to compete a long time ago. The older you get the more your joints hurt from all the lifting. I dont do squats or deadlifts at all anymore just because I dont want to hurt myself.[&:]

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: Stone629
Hey Blue, you shoud let my skinny (145LB) arse take your car down the track a couple times! Might drop one or two tenths off you ET [8D]
Ok,dude long as I get to make a pass in the Mach! With the slicks on you wont get any torque steer. Have you ever done a six grand clutch drop on a car that weighs less that 3000 pounds with you in it before?:D


Sounds like a deal to me. Na man, never launched past 3k at the track. Never dumped the clutch at the track either. You know how it is on a stock suspension and street tires[:'(]I can't imagine what a rush it would be. I'm hoping to get some control arms here soon with some good DRs (in need of a clutch badly too). Maybe then I'll be able to launch pretty hard around 3500rpm.

That would be cool. You could probably cut off 3 or 4 tenths with just those two mods.

ORIGINAL: EaZy DuZ iT

i raced an srt-4 from a 10mph roll.. i raced him when i only had intake and no mufflers. we were lined up at a light but i dindt want to launch out of no where because we didnt signal to race but as soon as we took off he floored it so i floored it to..all the way till 30-40mnph i kept spinning because my tires at that time were old but the whole time i was ahead of him by 1/2 a car and when we hit 60 i started to pull more and we shut off..he rolled by i asked wat he had, he said he was stock..


I used to rape stock skittle with just stage 2 by like 3-4 cars lol..with the open dump it's so much worse.They aren't all that great in stock form being that limits boost to only like 12-13 psi where as the stage 2 boost it to like 16-17(holding) and spikes to something like 18-19.Your GT has an advantage from a dig..it's called traction lol.

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: cacimar

since everybody knows im new with the skittle, what makes them so deadly from a roll? Is it the turbo or the gearing or the weight? [&:]cuz evo or stiare notthat goodfrom a roll according to many of you so ?


Just speculation, but isn't it because turbocharged cars are at their sweet spot above 3000rpms?



not stock turbo cars nowadays..spool is instant as long as you are in the correct speed/gearing.
Bigger turbos of course have more spool but the when boost hit's its all worth it.
the new sti/evos have something to do with their exhaust sides being larger or something like that then the previous models but they are ferocious from a roll when tuned..the older evo 8s not so much without cams,the older 05-06s stis were hogs from a roll without a tune,i think it has to do with their gearing as well.

from what ive seen at the track theyre about the same. seems to be a drivers race.

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: ripped camel

Bluebeast you still didn't answer my question......230lbs of fat or muscle?
I'll be 41 in march and I've lifted 4 to 5 days a week sinse my highschool football days. No six pack any more but I'm fairly well put together & I can still bench 350. Not bad for an old geezer.


Not bad. Looks like the score has been evened up though.....I'm all muscle baby, no fat:D

350 for an old geezer is really good! I've been at a plateau for the last few months and can't seem to get passed 360lbs for 6,4,2 reps. Shrugs I'm a beast at though....405lbs for reps of 12, 4 sets:D

Guess you can't win 'em all bluebeast[8D]

As far as the weights go I gave up trying to compete a long time ago. The older you get the more your joints hurt from all the lifting. I dont do squats or deadlifts at all anymore just because I dont want to hurt myself.[&:]



This thread is awesome!!



Of course Blue can still get the ladies in his neon look at him!!


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:D:DYou're my boy blue:D:D

Didn't blue die surrounded by ladies?:D

In a kiddy pool full of KY Jelly to boot:D:D

Sign me up, that the way I wanna go out also.;)

I raced a Srt from a 75mph roll took him like 5 seconds to pull on me @ 5mph, i did lose though...but in my stock 01 Gt I left one halfway through second gear.

ORIGINAL: camaroeater

I raced a Srt from a 75mph roll took him like 5 seconds to pull on me @ 5mph