a srt4 might be faster off the lot mabe. in the end walk in to a bar and tell a woman u have a stang or a neon see which reaction is better. women and rental places buy ugly neons men buy stangs and f-bodies peroid.
a srt 4 with 500+ fwhp what the hell are u going to do with that. i have driven my friends 96 gt with 405 "RWHP" and it is an art to get off the line with minimal spin and a good launch. hell i have 248 and i have to finesse off the line
also for the red neon with the hand brake i can do that with 275's in the back and my brakes binding the drive tires try and hit your brake and tell if those cookie cutters u call tires keep spinning bite me ricer
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also for the red neon with the hand brake i can do that with 275's in the back and my brakes binding the drive tires try and hit your brake and tell if those cookie cutters u call tires keep spinning bite me ricer
No need to continue to argue with some of these people my friend. Some don't believe stangs are capable of 13.7's in stock trim. Have anyone ever took time to think that maybe it's not the car....The driver plays a big part too....But who am i....I don't know anything and my claims of stangs running just as fast as neons are false.
This was taken from Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords...In October 2003 Evan Smith stated in his "Racer's Notebook" that an average driver could run the quarter in 14.00@101 in a 99+GT, anything slower and it's your fault...a better than average driver should do it in 13.7 with the right conditions. Ford claimed times of 13.9 back in september 1998. I know it seems to be no end to this...I stated my claim...I've ran 13's in stock form...but i can't speak for everyone.
First, the stock tire comment I got right off of an SRT forum, and I linked to my source, and I've also seen a few run at our local track. Second, you should actually comprehend all I've been saying about the SRT-4. I said they have more potential than a Mustang INITIALLY - because of the easy ability to control the boost without alot of money. BUT- AND A BIG BUT - they are already running alot of boost, not leaving much room for improvement. You will NEVER see 10 and 11 second Neons like you see Mustangs. Their are VERY few 12 second SRT-4's and even fewer 11 second SRT-4's. Their are NONE anywhere even close to 10.99's to my knowledge.
Now how, with all this potential, are their not any "really fast" SRT-4's? I mean their are stock NA engine Mustang GT's with nothing more than cams and bolt-ons running 11's! Those guys running 11's in the Neons I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY they even have the stock turbo. I mean my god, put a turbo on a mustang and hello 600+ rwhp.
All Im saying is the Neons have alot of initial potential, but because they already have a turbo running what, like 14 psi boost? - I mean how much more is left after that? After you increse the boost where do you go next? Their just isn't a whole lot more to work with other than increasing the boost.
I'm glad you have friends with SRT-4's. Im really honestly and truley happy for you. Yes their capable than most people give them credit for - but I do give them credit - you just haven't been listening. I have given my sources for everything I've said.
Oh, and about that comment about a Cobra being a Mustang, and a Grand National being a Regal - let me tell you that they are no where NEAR the piece of sh*t a Dodge Neon is. Until you actually turn a wrench on something, stfu about its reliability.
For the record...I am NOT starting a war on this topic again...
Actually I sat back and laughed at a lot of the comments in this thread...from both sides.
That is correct! It must be a generational thing (My kids are in their 20's) but we didn't see compact, 4-door economy rental cars as being too cool. You can put turbos on a lawnmower and make it faster than something else! Just because you turbo what someone else here called an economy rental car, and made it go pretty fast doesn't get me too energized. It is still a Neon for crying out loud. This thread is all "apples and oranges". Every car will beat some other car. Let's compare apples with apples. They turboed a Neon. OK, then turbo a GT and THEN compare. Just so happens I have a s/c'd 2000 GT and I have paired against a new SRT4 complete with its crew of stocking capped (is that what you call them?), baggy pants roady crew and beat him by about 30 car lengths and 2 full seconds (at a drag strip with lights and timers....not at a stoplight. I'm only guessing 30 car lengths. I know I could see his headlights way back there and I saw him go through the traps as I was getting my time slip.) They are OK I guess. Just wouldn't want to spend my money on something and have it look like I got it from Enterprise.
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 LMAO, I wish I had a dollar for every a@#wipe in a acura integra that thought they were gonna embarass me at a light,hell, I leave half of those clowns even while I am spinning. And it seems that SRT-4 and most recently Cobalt SS owners are pricks, think they have a supercar with 4 cylinders, get real. I know my car is no beast,pretty much stock, but at least I have the common sense to drive a well built respected car, and not to go picking on Z06's or Vipers thinking I am going to somehow hand them their ass. These ricers need to get real and drive a real car.
Dub. Dont try to go over to the SRT forum and convince them that the GT is faster for two reasons:
1. With equal professional drivers a 04 SRT-4 (and probably a good running 03) will beat a 99+ 5 speed. The 04s are capable of 13.8s dead stock, and i have not seen many if any stock GTs do this.
2. They will never listen to what you are saying. They are completly conviced the SRT is a superior car. If you notice one guy was saying that stock vs stock a SRT-4 is faster than a 03 cobra! They do not want to hear that a GT will beat em.
Understand that most of em are coming from a ricer crowd, and if you know anything of ricers you know they compeletly hate/underestimate the GT. I can't count the number of dumbass import owners that have reved on me thinking they were gonna hand me my ass with a K&N and a fart can.
It is completly a drivers race, but they are never going to beileve that. SRT owners are very defensive by nature.
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Wow, some funny stuff in this thread. Like I tell all my ricer friends who pull the 4 cylinder card..... "Since you have half the cylinders of my car, give my car half the boost of yours...."
in my opinion 99-04 gt vs a srt4 = a drivers race...but lets see what car is going to last longer and not crumble after 100k..as for the srt 4 guys can i ask why did u even go through the hassle of registering and looking for threads to start stupid fights n debates on..this is mustangforums so just go back to the srt forums and worry about your own cars.
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The srt-4 is pushing out between 13-15 psi stock for 220hp, so even with all the bolt ons, you can't run a whole lot more boost on pump gas. So just buy a stang and put a supercharger on it and run 9psi for 380 rwhp. v8's are always better
who cares about how fast they are? do you think most girls car how fast your car is? it's all about the look. if you ask any girl to pick between the gt and a srt, i'm pretty sure 100% will pick the gt.
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2800 lb car vs 3400 lb car...both dyno the same hp to the wheels stock...think about it
which one has to wait for a turbo? you can just point at peak power and say the ligher one will win. torque is what throws you down the track, horsepower doesnt kick in until you are well down the track, so think about a Turbo 4cyl or V8 N/A my car makes over 200ft.lbs of torque to the wheels at 1,200rpms does an SRT4 doubtful.
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the srt-4 is a piece of crap made to be fast stock (for a 4 banger). cant get full leather seats, the back 2 windows arent even power windows they have ****ing 1980 manual roll down windows, it looks like a ****ing girls car, AND ON TOP OF THAT ITS NICKNAMED THE SKITTLE! no self respecting man would ever drive a car known as a skittle.
they are driven by dumb highschool kids who are still cought up with the fast and the furious. i havent found one willing to race me but my friend said he took one from a 40 roll in his GT (lightly modded gt). drivers race is the best call. but the car is still horrid in comparison to a GT when its all said and done so WHO CARES.
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personally, I hate front wheel drive with a burning passion. So even if the car has 500 hp, it's still gay and won't get traction till about 80mph. I'd much rather own a mustang than a rental car with a turbo.
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the srt-4 is a piece of crap made to be fast stock (for a 4 banger). cant get full leather seats, the back 2 windows arent even power windows they have ****ing 1980 manual roll down windows, it looks like a ****ing girls car, AND ON TOP OF THAT ITS NICKNAMED THE SKITTLE! no self respecting man would ever drive a car known as a skittle.
they are driven by dumb highschool kids who are still cought up with the fast and the furious. i havent found one willing to race me but my friend said he took one from a 40 roll in his GT (lightly modded gt). drivers race is the best call. but the car is still horrid in comparison to a GT when its all said and done so WHO CARES.
Like I said in the first post after I read this old thread...it was funny to read some of the responses. I only posted up to show where the srt-4 has gone in 3-4 years with the 9.44 1/4 mile
I'm not here to fight...I loved my mustang when I had it, especially the sound of it.
But...you are mistaken on some of your stereotypes of this car. The few srt-4 owners on this site are not in high school, nor immature kids.
As for the post by 4.6lpoppy...I doubt many people here would agree with you. The original thread was about a stock gt vs. a stock srt-4. That's it...when you start to mod them, the gloves come off. I want to make sure with this post I give credit to the guys on this site who have their head on straight and don't make posts like that.
All I can say is Wow! When the SRT-4 first came out, I thought they were nothing more than a turbo neon...then I opened my eyes. Within the past year as a matter of fact. You guys saying that the SRT-4 is a piece of crap really need to do some research. How the hell does a pos hold 450whp safely. That lame excuse of "give a stang 12psi and see what happens" holds no water. I'll tell what would happen to a stock GT with 12psi, it would blow the fuk up. There are member(s) here running high 11s on stock internals with an SRT-4. Give credit where credit is due. The other statement about the 4.6 having more potential is true ONLY if the potential requires more money. I'm not talking about slapping a Procharger on a stock GT and pushing 400rwhp just waiting to break either. I mean a fully forged blown motor with 450rwhp that can safely have the absolute crap driven out of it everyday. Looks are subjective BTW.
LOL who dug up this little gem of a thread. Well gotta say the comments on this one were just about perfect. I liked the walk into a bar comment and tell the ladies you have a Mustang comment. Yea that gets the ladies wet. I walk into a bar, the girls dont even care if I rode in on a bicycle after they see me. They'll be willing to drive me to their house in their car. Have a little confidence in yourself loser. Then theres the guys that dont know **** about cars talking about torque wins races. Well this just in kids but turbo cars usally make equal torque numbers to their HP numbers. So if they have 300HP there going to have 300 torque. N/A cars dont have it so good. Then there was the SRT troll that walked in and boldly claimed that the neon would woop ass on a car thats putting down almost the same exact 1/4 numbers stock to stock. Both the SRT-4 and the New edge are slow ass low to mid 14 second cars on average. But who ever dug this puppy up, Thanks. it was a pretty funny read. I would have voted drivers race if I got invloved with this thread 2 years ago.
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RE: 04 GT vs 04 SRT-4 - 
Have a little confidence in yourself loser. Then theres the guys that dont know **** about cars talking about torque wins races. Well this just in kids but turbo cars usally make equal torque numbers to their HP numbers. So if they have 300HP there going to have 300 torque. N/A cars dont have it so good. Then there was the SRT troll that walked in and boldly claimed that the neon would woop ass on a car thats putting down almost the same exact 1/4 numbers stock to stock. Both the SRT-4 and the New edge are slow ass low to mid 14 second cars on average. But who ever dug this puppy up, Thanks. it was a pretty funny read. I would have voted drivers race if I got invloved with this thread 2 years ago.
