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Dub. Dont try to go over to the SRT forum and convince them that the GT is faster for two reasons:
1. With equal professional drivers a 04 SRT-4 (and probably a good running 03) will beat a 99+ 5 speed. The 04s are capable of 13.8s dead stock, and i have not seen many if any stock GTs do this.
2. They will never listen to what you are saying. They are completly conviced the SRT is a superior car. If you notice one guy was saying that stock vs stock a SRT-4 is faster than a 03 cobra! They do not want to hear that a GT will beat em.
Understand that most of em are coming from a ricer crowd, and if you know anything of ricers you know they compeletly hate/underestimate the GT. I can't count the number of dumbass import owners that have reved on me thinking they were gonna hand me my ass with a K&N and a fart can.
It is completly a drivers race, but they are never going to beileve that. SRT owners are very defensive by nature.
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Dub. Dont try to go over to the SRT forum and convince them that the GT is faster for two reasons:
1. With equal professional drivers a 04 SRT-4 (and probably a good running 03) will beat a 99+ 5 speed. The 04s are capable of 13.8s dead stock, and i have not seen many if any stock GTs do this.
2. They will never listen to what you are saying. They are completly conviced the SRT is a superior car. If you notice one guy was saying that stock vs stock a SRT-4 is faster than a 03 cobra! They do not want to hear that a GT will beat em.
Understand that most of em are coming from a ricer crowd, and if you know anything of ricers you know they compeletly hate/underestimate the GT. I can't count the number of dumbass import owners that have reved on me thinking they were gonna hand me my ass with a K&N and a fart can.
It is completly a drivers race, but they are never going to beileve that. SRT owners are very defensive by nature.
LOL.....Yeah i see that....They banned me.....LOL....For speakin my mind. So they can call a mustang a Rustang...But as soon as i call a SRT-4 Street Rental Trash....they ban me.... Those guys are arrogant losers. 05 GT will erase all doubts about which car is the fastest.
ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta A Mustang has a LOT of potential, the Neon is pretty much maxed out.
All in all when it all comes down, the SRT-4 will still be a cheap throw together rental car with a Turbo. In the end a Neon will still be a Neon, and a Neon will still be a piece of sh*t. Its just a piece of sh*t with a Turbo. I do applaud Dodge for making a fast piece of sh*t though.
A Neon? Yeah it's a Neon but a Grand National was also a Regal. A Cobra is still a Mustang. What's your point? I have quite a few friends with SRT-4s. The stock tires aren't that damn sticky or like radials. I've seen them right there in front of me as has NoMo.
Maxed out? They're capable of alot more then people give them credit for.
ORIGINAL: MikeHawke You realize that your car gets no respect BECAUSE IT'S A NEON and you look like a homo driving it. We don't have to tell everyone how fast or cool Mustangs are. It's obvious by the heads we turn.
Shut up MikeHawke. You call him a homo but you've got a penis in your avatar.
Looks in a Mustang? Not really unless you drive a Cobra. I see all kinds of GT's and V-6's around here. I drive a damn Mustang Cobra so I'm not giving some biased opinion. Fact is Mustangs don't turn any heads because like Neon's alot of people have them.
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Wow.. panties up in a bunch much? For the most part it doesnt matter how many Mustangs are out there. People still do look. Hell I own one and I still like to look at other Mustangs.
I wouldnt have bought one if it didnt appeal to me. Hopefully everyone who has one bought it because they like it and not because they just had to settle for a stang.
People are entitled to their own opinion. Why tell people to shut up? Kinda defeats the purpose of what Im working for as well as a few thousand other service members. No need to be rude on both sides of the fence.
Both are good cars both go fast. Who really cares? I didnt buy my stang so I can beat everyone, I bought it so I can go as fast as I like.
Its an american car... lets just all agree to keel the ricers k? Its simpler that way.
>>BTW no offense to everyone.
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Shut up MikeHawke. You call him a homo but you've got a penis in your avatar.
Looks in a Mustang? Not really unless you drive a Cobra. I see all kinds of GT's and V-6's around here. I drive a damn Mustang Cobra so I'm not giving some biased opinion. Fact is Mustangs don't turn any heads because like Neon's alot of people have them.
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First, the stock tire comment I got right off of an SRT forum, and I linked to my source, and I've also seen a few run at our local track. Second, you should actually comprehend all I've been saying about the SRT-4. I said they have more potential than a Mustang INITIALLY - because of the easy ability to control the boost without alot of money. BUT- AND A BIG BUT - they are already running alot of boost, not leaving much room for improvement. You will NEVER see 10 and 11 second Neons like you see Mustangs. Their are VERY few 12 second SRT-4's and even fewer 11 second SRT-4's. Their are NONE anywhere even close to 10.99's to my knowledge.
Now how, with all this potential, are their not any "really fast" SRT-4's? I mean their are stock NA engine Mustang GT's with nothing more than cams and bolt-ons running 11's! Those guys running 11's in the Neons I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY they even have the stock turbo. I mean my god, put a turbo on a mustang and hello 600+ rwhp.
All Im saying is the Neons have alot of initial potential, but because they already have a turbo running what, like 14 psi boost? - I mean how much more is left after that? After you increse the boost where do you go next? Their just isn't a whole lot more to work with other than increasing the boost.
I'm glad you have friends with SRT-4's. Im really honestly and truley happy for you. Yes their capable than most people give them credit for - but I do give them credit - you just haven't been listening. I have given my sources for everything I've said.
Oh, and about that comment about a Cobra being a Mustang, and a Grand National being a Regal - let me tell you that they are no where NEAR the piece of sh*t a Dodge Neon is. Until you actually turn a wrench on something, stfu about its reliability.
ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta Oh, and about that comment about a Cobra being a Mustang, and a Grand National being a Regal - let me tell you that they are no where NEAR the piece of sh*t a Dodge Neon is. Until you actually turn a wrench on something, stfu about its reliability.
Turn a wrench? Haha I work on my own car and everything. I've done motorswaps, tranny swaps, rear end swaps and so on. How is that not turning a wrench? The more and more you talk the more I realize you're not as smart as you lay claim to.
Neon's running 10s? How long have Mustangs been out? SRT-4's don't yet have the parts market. There was a 500fwhp SRT-4 built I believe. After 550 the engine can't handle anymore.
Giving the SRT-4 props? No you keep saying "It's just a Neon" "It's just a fast piece of ****". You're excuses are pathetic.
Just because the turbo is running 14psi means nothing in the slightest. Simple turbo swap takes care of that. The turbo is a small one. It's basically just like the DSM's yet I've seen plenty of those running 12's, 11's, and so on.
The stock tires comment is simply a matter of opinion. All the SRT-4 owners I know say they're just **** for traction etc.
Put a turbo on a Mustang and hello 600+rwhp? Ummmm not in the slightest. A TT (Dual 46mm Garret T3/T4s) set up on a Cobra only yielded 538rwhp. And even at that you're pushing the limits of the Hyper U Crack Ems. The rods and pistons even in the Cobra's dont really like anything over around 500 or maybe even 550 flywheel HP. At that point you're running on borrowed time.
I forgot I'm talking to the greatest Mustang tuner and owner of the worlds fastest Mustang.
hey rollinthunder I will race your "souped" up mustang any day of the week. you are at what 287 hp you say, now that scares me. Your mustangs can't even outrun a ****ing neon and yet you guys talk **** about a real sports car like a Nissan 300 zx twin turbo? get outta here!
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Wow, those SRT guys have really put a chip on their shoulder.
Interesting discussion, but the bottomline is a stock SRT vs a stock GT is a drivers race, magazine numbers not withstanding. .
Remember the GT and now, the newer Cobras, are the standard and everyone wants to be able to stand up to the standard. Take it as a compliment and smack down every SRT you can.
hey rollinthunder I will race your "souped" up mustang any day of the week. you are at what 287 hp you say, now that scares me. Your mustangs can't even outrun a ****ing neon and yet you guys talk **** about a real sports car like a Nissan 300 zx twin turbo? get outta here!
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m I forgot I'm talking to the greatest Mustang tuner and owner of the worlds fastest Mustang.
Who ever said that? Obviously you've misunderstood some things somewhere. Im done with the name calling, like I've said a few times in some other threads you've participated in. Continue if you wish, but you will get no comment from me.
Gt vs srt-4. I was chosing what car to pick for a reasonable amount of money. I could of got a cobra but I didn't want the payments. I got the Gt because I was thinking hey this car is going to be probably the most reliable with the best resale value. I can pick up a SRT-4 in couple of years for pretty cheep. Performance was a high priority of mine. I wanted a car that could rip through the quarter at a high 13 without losing the warenty. The neon srt-4 breathes better than our GT's. The drop off on GT's motor is pretty substantial at higher rpms. The neon from what I see at the track are about dead even with Mustang GT. Stock vs. Stock. You may though see that the neon will run about 1- 1.5 mph faster trap speeds though. The best part though out of the hole the neon usually will not get a GT. So this is where it's most important. I bet a set of drag slicks on both cars the Gt's going win hands down 1/4 mile. After 100 mph different story. My dodge spirit was quicker on the highway then my mustang, but at the track I think my Gt would of won.
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Gt vs srt-4. I was chosing what car to pick for a reasonable amount of money. I could of got a cobra but I didn't want the payments. I got the Gt because I was thinking hey this car is going to be probably the most reliable with the best resale value. I can pick up a SRT-4 in couple of years for pretty cheep. Performance was a high priority of mine. I wanted a car that could rip through the quarter at a high 13 without losing the warenty. The neon srt-4 breathes better than our GT's. The drop off on GT's motor is pretty substantial at higher rpms. The neon from what I see at the track are about dead even with Mustang GT. Stock vs. Stock. You may though see that the neon will run about 1- 1.5 mph faster trap speeds though. The best part though out of the hole the neon usually will not get a GT. So this is where it's most important. I bet a set of drag slicks on both cars the Gt's going win hands down 1/4 mile. After 100 mph different story. My dodge spirit was quicker on the highway then my mustang, but at the track I think my Gt would of won.
Joe
A pretty fair comparison. Mustangs can hold there own up until around 125...Then again who races at those speeds. Anything after 110, i don't consider it as a matter of horsepower.....lots of other factors start to come in.....dynamics.....gears......etc....My advice to all GT owners....Get the new MACH 1 shaker set up for 99+GT's.....then no more wondering.
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.Get the new MACH 1 shaker set up for 99+GT's.....then no more wondering.
y get the hood kit..it only adds at the most 5hp
lol.....I can't find the link of where they guy said he gained 15-20, Of course there were other things done to his car...remove air silencers and some more tweaking. I will find it and post it....i will keep looking for it....In the mean time...this link below is a must see for every 99+ GT owner. Just in case someone didn't see it in the street/strip section. Let it be know, if you don't know...now you know the capability of the Mod 4.6.
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