yah and it offers mas boost in the low rmp area, thats EXACTLY where the 4.0 needs it, below 3k its a pig. im settleing my mind on x charger, IF it EVER comes out!
Now all i need if to see sum numbers!!! where are they? do they want to sell this product or what?!
ORIGINAL: omer333 I wanna know what you did to get that kind of gain and is it to the wheel. You can send me a PM if you don't want to give your secret away:)
212.5rwhp with az pump 91 chevron gas (POS). Thats with the 3.73s and truetrac rear end (id guess 215 or 216rwhp with a stock rear end). No secrets, just lots of boltons (only one i didnt have was dual exhaust, which i have now).
yeah, im glad they want to get all the kinks worked out for the x-charger, but i mean is this something that may just flop and never become a real thing? Or is it really gonna come out??? I mean explorer express doesnt even show it as an upcoming thing, so im wondering if were all waiting on nothing?
to put things in perspective (i know 14.5 is good for us, but i want better), im about 1 of 2 v6 mustangs in our local 05 club here (and only one that races). Most of the gts, with gears, intake, exhaust, tune, etc are running 13.6 (quickest of them ive seen) to 15.0. Our conditions here are far from perfect. The guy that tuned my car owns a 2005 mustang GT auto with cutouts and a tune. I lined up against him at the track (per his request) and took him by .13 in a 100% heads up race. Iwould love to get my car to a track that is in good conditions. I think this car has 14.3s or 14.2s in her with the right conditions, and a tune for the track (i run my street tune at the track, im sure i could squeeze even more with a track only tune). MM49 ran a 14.3 with a custom track tune that he made. He has access to a dyno, and hes an SCT tuner. I dont like the idea of leaning out the car and turning off the knock sensors and running racing fuel, but to each his own lol.
ORIGINAL: fazm oh i know u werent comparing, im just sayin the 1/8th is going to be misleading on the xcharger. at 7psi its probably going to be a high 13 second car with the right setup. Mid 13s is probably the best it will see on that low of boost. now 9psi... maybe maybe low 13s, but probably never a 12 sec car.
I love the looks of the xcharger, i just could never see myself spending 3200 (or whatever it is) plus the cost of an sct2 (they said it was not included) for 260rwhp. Im only like 45 away from that now anyway.
Wasn't Afixer's car basically stock when they put the X-Charger on? So realistically, you'd be over 260 because you are starting with at least 30hp more than stock.
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Best track time: 13.5@100MPH (100 shot) 271RWHP and 349RWTQ (100 shot)
ORIGINAL: fazm oh i know u werent comparing, im just sayin the 1/8th is going to be misleading on the xcharger. at 7psi its probably going to be a high 13 second car with the right setup. Mid 13s is probably the best it will see on that low of boost. now 9psi... maybe maybe low 13s, but probably never a 12 sec car.
I love the looks of the xcharger, i just could never see myself spending 3200 (or whatever it is) plus the cost of an sct2 (they said it was not included) for 260rwhp. Im only like 45 away from that now anyway.
Wasn't Afixer's car basically stock when they put the X-Charger on? So realistically, you'd be over 260 because you are starting with at least 30hp more than stock.
Afixer does have GT takes offs which is good for 10RWHP... and since you really can't reuse your CAI... i would say you have to cut that 30HP down a bit...
actually you can use your CAI if you have one. since my car will be for the carb cert we opted to keep the stock air box. when we were in napa we tried a few CAI's with minimal gain. i am sure doug will try them again with the install he is doing this week. he will have much more time on a dyno than he had with my car. remember i had to leave so his tune section was cut short. i am sure he will find more hr for you power mongers.
ORIGINAL: scrming Afixer does have GT takes offs which is good for 10RWHP... and since you really can't reuse your CAI... i would say you have to cut that 30HP down a bit...
Fazm also has the MRT muffler which you claim is good for another 10rwhp. Plus he has JBA headers. And the alternator pulley. And like Afixer says, you can reuse your CAI. So Fazm would probably be in the 275-280rwhp range.
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Best track time: 13.5@100MPH (100 shot) 271RWHP and 349RWTQ (100 shot)
Last time I checked, Fazm wasn't running the MRT anymore.
Regardless, he's at 30hp over stock. I doubt Afixer's GT take-off gives you much. If Fazm put on the X-Charger he would make more than 260hp period. I'm guessing around 280, maybe more. He has a manual and i believe Afixer has an automatic. So that's even more RWhp. Afixer probably started at 180-185rwhp so he picked up 75-80rwhp. I love the turbo too but let's not crap all over the X-Charger. Fazm says $3200 for 45hp but that's not true is it? And you have to pay more for the Xcal when you buy the turbo so that's a moot point. Most of us already have an Xcal.
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Best track time: 13.5@100MPH (100 shot) 271RWHP and 349RWTQ (100 shot)
Affixer dyno 3.00 pulley-------- 250RWHP 2.80 Pulley------10HP----------260RWHP Alt pulley---------5HP----------265RWHP Headers----------7HP----------272RWHP
Total - above------------------>272RWHP
CAI-----------------?-------------?RWHP Larger MAF sensor per Doug--?----?RWHP
For a Manual Trans add 10-15 RWHP to the 272RWHP above for a toal of 287RWHP
Possible? Custom fabbed IC :)----------- ? RWHP Meth injection ? RWHP Not expecting much on the meth per Justin VT test but could help a little on the X at 9psi.
I mean there are some possibilities if one wanted.
There are a few other things for more RWHP (mods and tweaks) also :)
According to Torch Vert and Gear Trill Head posted on another forum the X Cal 2 tuner is included with both kits.
Ok, my point is hp from our bolt on's do not add up neatly and/or is transferable to a FI application in the same respect. When we make 30RWHP over stock with bolt ons, this is with a good tune. The AF ratios between NA and FI are different, so when adding it all up I would err on the more conservative side.
The PHP Alternator Pulley is 3-5 HP, so I would call it 3HP to set expectations. Headers, I would say closer to 5HP and a CAI my guess would be 7.
I personally really like the Xcharger, but price wise is is pretty even with the others. And frankly, with the power it makes, no IC option and for the price, I'm just not seing the price/performance ratio here. I really think they need to bring this kit to under 3K.
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I don't think the HP gains are low, it makes respectable power. It will get you 13's and that is pretty damn good. I just think they need to reposition that kit market wise, I mean, for 2500 bucks, they will sell like hot cakes.
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The PHP Alternator Pulley is 3-5 HP, so I would call it 3HP to set expectations. Headers, I would say closer to 5HP and a CAI my guess would be 7.
Yes I agree this is possible so you could minus 5 RWHP from the above total , but on the other hand has anyone dyno headers on FI vers stock exhaust manifolds on a FI 4.0? On N.A its about 7 RWHP with shortys wonder what it is with FI.
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I personally really like the Xcharger, but price wise is is pretty even with the others. And frankly, with the power it makes, no IC option and for the price, I'm just not seing the price/performance ratio here. I really think they need to bring this kit to under 3K.
Doug said they checked prices vers non-inteccoed systems per phone call to Vortech and ProCharger $3,500.00 and priced it to that, but someone should let them know the Vortech non intercooled can be purchased on line for around $2,900.00. So I agree 100% with you on the $3,000.00.
Doug said they checked prices vers non-inteccoed systems per phone call to Vortech and ProCharger $3,500.00 and priced it to that, but someone should let them know the Vortech non intercooled can be purchased on line for around $2,900.00. So I agree 100% with you on the $3,000.00.
I can respect where Doug is comming from on this, but it's not apples to apples. Because wtih the Vortech, PC and PH, you can start non-intercooled and move up to an IC option later. With the Xcharger, IC is not an option.
Then again are the units for sale yet? They may be working on some options.
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its possible to intercool a roots type chrager like the x charger, what the company would have to do , which they may end up doing is put a cooler down on the plenum first and sit the charger on top, and air drawn through by the charger will go through the cooler first,and the charger blows its compressed air down on top of it as it goes into your intake, the only downfall of this is that the cooler only works at50% of its effencientcy , because when the air gets compressed it heats up, theres no cooler after that to cool that air down, only the fact that colder already is going int he system so it only heats up in relativity to the temperature difference
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its possible to intercool a roots type chrager like the x charger, what the company would have to do , which they may end up doing is put a cooler down on the plenum first and sit the charger on top, and air drawn through by the charger will go through the cooler first,and the charger blows its compressed air down on top of it as it goes into your intake, the only downfall of this is that the cooler only works at50% of its effencientcy , because when the air gets compressed it heats up, theres no cooler after that to cool that air down, only the fact that colder already is going int he system so it only heats up in relativity to the temperature difference
It might be poss not sure yet the problem is there is a small area between the heads (not much room) on the 4.0, but there is no standard system (IC) you could buy. You would have to custom fab one up if it is even poss or even $$ worth it. But it might not be needed according to Doug to run 9 psi due to the low temps of the new design on the X Charger.
In regards to you question or statement about there is no way to cool the air, there is you would need to install a heat exchanger in front of your rad to cool the compressed air coming from the X Charger.
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