it would take a LOT to handle better than a porsche or M-car, considering: the convertible version of my car has a stiffer chassis stock than your car with a full 10pt roll cage. my car is significantly wider, and has better geometry. i have mcphereson strut arrangement. after 1500$ (parts, i did the labor) in completely revamped suspension, including a 2.75in drop, plus new/wider/lower-pro/stickier tires, i can only just barely outhandle an M on the twisties.
FMS lower arms with the offset bushings, FMS lowering springs (modified), reversed rims (widens my wheelbase by almost 4"), and heres the kicker 225/40/16 tires. Let me put it to you this way, my Hpipe site about 1" off the ground, if you stand a pack of smokes up, thats where the bottom of my front clip starts. The top of my front bumper is literally 4" below my knee. PLus, I have the 1 7/8" sway bar in the front and a heavy ass sound system in the back for a little more even weight distribution. That in a nutshell will make a fox handle like mad. Gotta brace em up though, I cracked my dash before I realized that I needed to brace it up some more . -P.
So youre saying an LS1 motor ISNT 350 CID??? Wow news to me... And when did I ever say that on that GT I would be using STOCK heads???? Not once. Aftermarket 2v heads will outflow ANY 4.6 4v head, period. And If im adding correctly.....your car would only make 250 rwhp with out the bottle. Correct? How would that be MORE powerful than a 4.6 with aftermarket heads,cams, intake, and s/c? Even with your nitrous youd be lookin at taillights gettin smaller before your very eyes. And it seems pretty obvious you need nitrous to make your power. I wonder what that gt would do with a 150 shot? Make 650hp? -P.
Honestly...are you that dumb? I made 393rwhp on MOTOR alone. I made 500.3rwhp on the nitrous. WTF are you talking about? And yes, it is 346ci!
Dude youre so full of sh!t your eyes must be brown, sh!t brown. So a STOCK LS1 makes almost 400 hp???Bullsh!t. And that 346.89 (I believe) is based on the chevy 350 block. heres your exact words -It's NOT a 350...my car makes almost 400rwhp on STOCK heads, factory stock, never removed/touched. This is on a 150 DRY nitrous tune on the STOCK fuel system. Im actually amazed that a BONE STOCK LS1 makes 400rwhp.... Wow so all you would have to do to a lets say 98 Z28 is get a nitrous tune and it will make 400RWHP? Sure......LOL! -P.
let me translate for 98ls1: "its not a 350" = its a 346 "400rwhp on stock heads, factory stock, blah blah" = ON MOTOR, he makes 393rwhp "this is on a 150 dry nitrous tune" = theres no bloody fu(king nitrous, its just TUNED for a shot (which happens to make 500rwhp WITH the laughing gas) "stock fuel system" = stock fuel system
sry, but i just had to get 98's back on this one
If you had read more thouroghly I wrote nitrous tune.... not on the bottle. I did in an earlier one, but then I read more thouroghly and realized he said tune. This is what I gather from what he's saying, on a bone stock motor with a NOS tune he makes damn near 400rwhp. I dont buy it. Ive raced plenty of Z's, one of my good friends has one that has way more stuff done to his and hes at like 450. I think hes makin up them numbers. -P.
it would take a LOT to handle better than a porsche or M-car, considering: the convertible version of my car has a stiffer chassis stock than your car with a full 10pt roll cage. my car is significantly wider, and has better geometry. i have mcphereson strut arrangement. after 1500$ (parts, i did the labor) in completely revamped suspension, including a 2.75in drop, plus new/wider/lower-pro/stickier tires, i can only just barely outhandle an M on the twisties.
FMS lower arms with the offset bushings, FMS lowering springs (modified), reversed rims (widens my wheelbase by almost 4"), and heres the kicker 225/40/16 tires. Let me put it to you this way, my Hpipe site about 1" off the ground, if you stand a pack of smokes up, thats where the bottom of my front clip starts. The top of my front bumper is literally 4" below my knee. PLus, I have the 1 7/8" sway bar in the front and a heavy ass sound system in the back for a little more even weight distribution. That in a nutshell will make a fox handle like mad. Gotta brace em up though, I cracked my dash before I realized that I needed to brace it up some more . -P.
ok, that makes a lil more sense considering none of that is in your sig lol.
i have: eibach 2in front sway, and 1.25in rear sway eibach sportline springs bmr strut brace bmr adj race lca's bmr adj race panhard tokico d-specs (set 1 turn from full hard) nitto 555r tires (275/40, vs stock 235/55)
there is no body roll whatsoever, and it handles SHARP (friend with an m3 with full coilovers and sways told me "wow, no thanks you'll take me" referencing running them out at salmon falls (canyon roads) when he took it for a spin lol). the only downside is the ride is quite freaking stiff, though not "bumpy" per se
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Yea, no one here has ever seen my car in person/video/pics. I'm making this up.
Let me break it down to you.
My car with a cam and some bolt-ons, with STOCK heads as I said before, makes 393rwhp on a nitrous tune. It then makes, with the same cam and the same bolt-ons AND with stock heads, 500rwhp on nitrous. Motor is 100% stock with the exception of the cam/valvetrain.
Im still having a hard time believing that basically a stock LS1 motor with JUST a cam and tuning can make 93 more horses. I know the LS heads are really nice and they flow really well out of the box, I suppose Id need to know what your "bolt ons" are. -P.
it would take a LOT to handle better than a porsche or M-car, considering: the convertible version of my car has a stiffer chassis stock than your car with a full 10pt roll cage. my car is significantly wider, and has better geometry. i have mcphereson strut arrangement. after 1500$ (parts, i did the labor) in completely revamped suspension, including a 2.75in drop, plus new/wider/lower-pro/stickier tires, i can only just barely outhandle an M on the twisties.
FMS lower arms with the offset bushings, FMS lowering springs (modified), reversed rims (widens my wheelbase by almost 4"), and heres the kicker 225/40/16 tires. Let me put it to you this way, my Hpipe site about 1" off the ground, if you stand a pack of smokes up, thats where the bottom of my front clip starts. The top of my front bumper is literally 4" below my knee. PLus, I have the 1 7/8" sway bar in the front and a heavy ass sound system in the back for a little more even weight distribution. That in a nutshell will make a fox handle like mad. Gotta brace em up though, I cracked my dash before I realized that I needed to brace it up some more . -P.
ok, that makes a lil more sense considering none of that is in your sig lol.
i have: eibach 2in front sway, and 1.25in rear sway eibach sportline springs bmr strut brace bmr adj race lca's bmr adj race panhard tokico d-specs (set 1 turn from full hard) nitto 555r tires (275/40, vs stock 235/55)
there is no body roll whatsoever, and it handles SHARP (friend with an m3 with full coilovers and sways told me "wow, no thanks you'll take me" referencing running them out at salmon falls (canyon roads) when he took it for a spin lol). the only downside is the ride is quite freaking stiff, though not "bumpy" per se
Yeah same here, my car rides like a damn brick, rattle your teeth loose on crappy roads. But I bet if you take your factory width and drop your profile about 3 sizes (to a 40) youll be amazed at how much wider they are than factory and how much better itll handle, not to mention youll drop your car another 1.5" . -P.
i cant clear a speed bump as is...and my suspension and driveline geometry would royally fu(ked over if i went lower. im think bout raisin it UP an inch
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Im still having a hard time believing that basically a stock LS1 motor with JUST a cam and tuning can make 93 more horses. I know the LS heads are really nice and they flow really well out of the box, I suppose Id need to know what your "bolt ons" are. -P.
Wow, you haven't been around long have you. I have full exhaust and an LS6 intake(come factory stock on the newer LS1's). So basically, full exhaust and a cam. I could make 415rwhp+ on a motor tune with just a cam swap and exhaust.
Oh yea, my car also made 325rwhp with exhaust as the ONLY mod....it was an auto at the time to.
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Im still having a hard time believing that basically a stock LS1 motor with JUST a cam and tuning can make 93 more horses. I know the LS heads are really nice and they flow really well out of the box, I suppose Id need to know what your "bolt ons" are. -P.
Wow, you haven't been around long have you. I have full exhaust and an LS6 intake(come factory stock on the newer LS1's). So basically, full exhaust and a cam. I could make 415rwhp+ on a motor tune with just a cam swap and exhaust.
Oh yea, my car also made 325rwhp with exhaust as the ONLY mod....it was an auto at the time to.
i really hope stage 3 cams on my car will see gains like that with a good tune. considering i made as much rwhp on a mustang dyno with intake, pullies, and tb as the car had at the crank stock, im hoping the good reaction to mods will continue
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Im still having a hard time believing that basically a stock LS1 motor with JUST a cam and tuning can make 93 more horses. I know the LS heads are really nice and they flow really well out of the box, I suppose Id need to know what your "bolt ons" are. -P.
Wow, you haven't been around long have you. I have full exhaust and an LS6 intake(come factory stock on the newer LS1's). So basically, full exhaust and a cam. I could make 415rwhp+ on a motor tune with just a cam swap and exhaust.
Oh yea, my car also made 325rwhp with exhaust as the ONLY mod....it was an auto at the time to.
Im still having a hard time believing that you gained 25 hp from exhaust alone...... Let me tell you a lil story. One day I was my local dragway, Dynamax had their "test" car up there. This is the car they used to make the claim that their mufflers will add up to 30hp over stock mufflers. This car happend to a 1985 mustang with a 460 in it. It ran 9.50's ALL DAY LONG through full exhaust and 10.5 slicks. So as you can see this "test" car has over 100 cubes on you and it gained only 30 hp. Not to mention the motor in this car was FAR from stock and guaranteed breathed better than yours, so.....how does your car get 25? Just doesnt add up bro. I guess I'd just really would like to see some proof. -P.
Im still having a hard time believing that basically a stock LS1 motor with JUST a cam and tuning can make 93 more horses. I know the LS heads are really nice and they flow really well out of the box, I suppose Id need to know what your "bolt ons" are. -P.
If you don't know too much about the LS1 you should shut the hell up and listen. A stock LS1 with a cam and intake can put down some SERIOUS power. Once the restrictive intakes are taken off the engines really wake up. I noticed a huge difference with my CAI on my Z. Sometimes I just wanna pull over after a good kill and kiss my pushrods.
Im still having a hard time believing that basically a stock LS1 motor with JUST a cam and tuning can make 93 more horses. I know the LS heads are really nice and they flow really well out of the box, I suppose Id need to know what your "bolt ons" are. -P.
Wow, you haven't been around long have you. I have full exhaust and an LS6 intake(come factory stock on the newer LS1's). So basically, full exhaust and a cam. I could make 415rwhp+ on a motor tune with just a cam swap and exhaust.
Oh yea, my car also made 325rwhp with exhaust as the ONLY mod....it was an auto at the time to.
Im still having a hard time believing that you gained 25 hp from exhaust alone...... Let me tell you a lil story. One day I was my local dragway, Dynamax had their "test" car up there. This is the car they used to make the claim that their mufflers will add up to 30hp over stock mufflers. This car happend to a 1985 mustang with a 460 in it. It ran 9.50's ALL DAY LONG through full exhaust and 10.5 slicks. So as you can see this "test" car has over 100 cubes on you and it gained only 30 hp. Not to mention the motor in this car was FAR from stock and guaranteed breathed better than yours, so.....how does your car get 25? Just doesnt add up bro. I guess I'd just really would like to see some proof. -P.
i gained 35rwhp from an intake. how hard is it to beleive a bigger motor can do it with exhaust? you are aggravating me.
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i cant clear a speed bump as is...and my suspension and driveline geometry would royally fu(ked over if i went lower. im think bout raisin it UP an inch
Actually it wouldnt affect the geometry at all, because the only thing youre doing is changing the tire size, so no angles are changed, youre just changing sidewall height.
When I drive my stang there are definitly certain places I wont/cant go, unless I wanna mess my clip up, which the bottom is already scratched to sh!t. -P.
Why did you have to say that? Have you ever had a GM block? Technically the engines found in F-bodys and Vettes are small blocks. They are not "big blocks" as you call them. I will guarantee that the 5.7L engine in my Z06 wieghs less than the 4.6L one in my GT. Dissplacement doesn't always mean more wieght. Why would the GM guys be whinners? They have been winning the street races for decades now. Heres a prediction for you a 1998 stock camaro will still be faster than a 2008 stock Mustang GT. That means that even after 10 years the GT still comes in 2nd place. So according to my assumptions the GM guys have something to be proud of for a long time.
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Ford will get the hint and go for larger dissplacement soner or later. The GM blocks are so simple to modify is ridiculous.
To be quite honest this entire argument is subjective. You guys mention nitrous and forced induction like the LSX engines can't do the same. Stock for stock mod for mod, you will not keep up with a LSX engine with equal drivers.
A few things here. First, I said it because there are several people here who seem to think that Ford is somehow behind in technology by running a 5.4 blown motor in the GT500 vs, a larger, built n/a powerplant. That was one of my points. Comments like "Ford needs a blower to keep up with chevy" is rediculous. Ford could have developed a n/a big block, similarly used in the Z06, but they chose to go the blower route.
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I will guarantee that the 5.7L engine in my Z06 wieghs less than the 4.6L one in my GT.
I mean keeping all things equal. ie., iron block to iron block, aluminum to aluminum. So what are you camparing then? The F-bodys and Vettes have aluminum blocks.
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Heres a prediction for you a 1998 stock camaro will still be faster than a 2008 stock Mustang GT.
As in it will have more hp? (As it should if it has more cubes) My point is that I'd rather have dislplacement with an option to be supercharged. The LS1 camaro's are still feared till this day by a N/A mustang
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Why would the GM guys be whinners? They have been winning the street races for decades now. Heres a prediction for you a 1998 stock camaro will still be faster than a 2008 stock Mustang GT. That means that even after 10 years the GT still comes in 2nd place.
With more cubes, sure, and that's what im talking about. GM owners seem to have a short memory when it comes to cubic inches.
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The GM blocks are so simple to modify is ridiculous.
Not as easy as changing a blower pulley Not all stangs have blowers. All LS1 F-bodies and Vettes are easy to modify while N/A. Now if they they get a blower too and change their pulleys you will be right back where you started.
FUkin typical GM @ssholes, you guys think that your fukin chevy is gods gift to the automotive world, HA! The ALMIGHTY LS1, HA! Its still a pushrod V-8, is it not? 25rwhp is an ASTRONOMICAL gain from JUST exhaust. So at the crank that a 31 hp gain, unbelievable, thats more than that BUILT 460 gained, that is TRULY amazing. On the intake I could see that happening, but definitly NOT on the exhaust, unless you went from 2" single exhaust, to 2.25 duals. I thnk its bullsh!t. -P.
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