It's a forced induction motor vs an n/a motor...generally you won't see the same results. Of course, you generally won't see 100rwhp with a cam, or cam(s) swap, in a Cobra motor like you can in an LSx motor.
They're not valuable cars....they might as well do what they want with them. This isn't even GM's top of the line Corvette...well, currently it is, but give it a couple years.
Forced induction is just like adding cubic inches to a given engine. I displaces more air/fuel under boost. My 02 GT with it's 2V 281 ci engine can never make 456 to the wheels normally asperated. But under the 281 2V engine dynamics, it would take 524 CI to make 430 rwhp based on the stock quoten of 230 rwhp for 281ci. If you divide 281 into 230, you get 1.22. That is the variable. If you want this design to make 430 you have to mulitply 1.22 x 430 and you get 524 ci. With this particular engine's internal design, it would take 524ci to achieve 430 hp to the wheels, normally asperated. Of course you would need larger injectors, Maf etc to make this all work together.
Can you see what I am eluding to?
The whole entire statement you tried to make was that a small block is better/more efficient than a big block..even though ford nor GM produces any now adays. Some of you guys think that the LSX platforms are large blocks even though they are technically small blocks. The LS6 engine produces about 405hp and its 346ci. The engine in my new car (LS7) has titanium internals and is actualy lighter than the LS1.
ok I havent been reading all of this bs but I have one question/ statment. HOW the HELL does adding boost add to your displacement. does it magically make your engine bigger?? NO it does not!! your just forcing air into it!!! Air + fuel = HP Air + Air does not make displacement bigger!!!!! if I port my heads.. I am adding air does that mean I am adding displacement too.
I see what your talking about. No. The only way you can add displacement is by boring out the walls. You can also shave down the head surface and that will change displacement some what. Flat top and domed pistons will do something as well.
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It's a forced induction motor vs an n/a motor...generally you won't see the same results. Of course, you generally won't see 100rwhp with a cam, or cam(s) swap, in a Cobra motor like you can in an LSx motor.
They're not valuable cars....they might as well do what they want with them. This isn't even GM's top of the line Corvette...well, currently it is, but give it a couple years.
Forced induction is just like adding cubic inches to a given engine. I displaces more air/fuel under boost. My 02 GT with it's 2V 281 ci engine can never make 456 to the wheels normally asperated. But under the 281 2V engine dynamics, it would take 524 CI to make 430 rwhp based on the stock quoten of 230 rwhp for 281ci. If you divide 281 into 230, you get 1.22. That is the variable. If you want this design to make 430 you have to mulitply 1.22 x 430 and you get 524 ci. With this particular engine's internal design, it would take 524ci to achieve 430 hp to the wheels, normally asperated. Of course you would need larger injectors, Maf etc to make this all work together.
Can you see what I am eluding to?
The whole entire statement you tried to make was that a small block is better/more efficient than a big block..even though ford nor GM produces any now adays. Some of you guys think that the LSX platforms are large blocks even though they are technically small blocks. The LS6 engine produces about 405hp and its 346ci. The engine in my new car (LS7) has titanium internals and is actualy lighter than the LS1.
I am not well versed on the Z06 -- just raced them a few times. So I am leaving this alone for now.
If you want to talk about my engine: 281 ci 2V, I will give you good sound information.
No. The only way you can add displacement is by boring out the walls.
Wait....whaaat? You're kidding, right?
What do you want to play with cranks and heads and pistons?
Why do you keep making bone head statements and then going back and editing your posts once someone calls your BS? Thats crazy. Why don't you have the intergity to accept when your wrong or place a "corrected" note at the bottom of your edited post.
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please correct me if i am wrong but isnt displacement = stoke x bore?? how the hell does shaving your head add displacement.. it adds compression!! and you cannot say that your 281 @?? PSI is the same as a 548CI motor (just picked those numbers out of the air) those motors would have totally different characteristics.. just because if might flow the same amount of air doesnt mean anything!! its just a 281 with boost no matter how you look at it.
please correct me if i am wrong but isnt displacement = stoke x bore?? how the hell does shaving your head add displacement.. it adds compression!! and you cannot say that your 281 @?? PSI is the same as a 548CI motor (just picked those numbers out of the air) those motors would have totally different characteristics.. just because if might flow the same amount of air doesnt mean anything!! its just a 281 with boost no matter how you look at it.
Now shes going to go back and edit her posts so it makes your statement irrelavent. You have to "quote" her so she can't change what she said....yes.. it's that bad.
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It's a forced induction motor vs an n/a motor...generally you won't see the same results. Of course, you generally won't see 100rwhp with a cam, or cam(s) swap, in a Cobra motor like you can in an LSx motor.
They're not valuable cars....they might as well do what they want with them. This isn't even GM's top of the line Corvette...well, currently it is, but give it a couple years.
Forced induction is just like adding cubic inches to a given engine. I displaces more air/fuel under boost. My 02 GT with it's 2V 281 ci engine can never make 456 to the wheels normally asperated. But under the 281 2V engine dynamics, it would take 524 CI to make 430 rwhp based on the stock quoten of 230 rwhp for 281ci. If you divide 281 into 230, you get 1.22. That is the variable. If you want this design to make 430 you have to mulitply 1.22 x 430 and you get 524 ci. With this particular engine's internal design, it would take 524ci to achieve 430 hp to the wheels, normally asperated. Of course you would need larger injectors, Maf etc to make this all work together.
Can you see what I am eluding to?
Just FYI it doesn't work like that. You cannot say that you simply could increase the ci and it would make x amount of power.
It's a forced induction motor vs an n/a motor...generally you won't see the same results. Of course, you generally won't see 100rwhp with a cam, or cam(s) swap, in a Cobra motor like you can in an LSx motor.
They're not valuable cars....they might as well do what they want with them. This isn't even GM's top of the line Corvette...well, currently it is, but give it a couple years.
Forced induction is just like adding cubic inches to a given engine. I displaces more air/fuel under boost. My 02 GT with it's 2V 281 ci engine can never make 456 to the wheels normally asperated. But under the 281 2V engine dynamics, it would take 524 CI to make 430 rwhp based on the stock quoten of 230 rwhp for 281ci. If you divide 281 into 230, you get 1.22. That is the variable. If you want this design to make 430 you have to mulitply 1.22 x 430 and you get 524 ci. With this particular engine's internal design, it would take 524ci to achieve 430 hp to the wheels, normally asperated. Of course you would need larger injectors, Maf etc to make this all work together.
Can you see what I am eluding to?
Just FYI it doesn't work like that. You cannot say that you simply could increase the ci and it would make x amount of power.
i agree. saying that is like saying that because an N/A car makes 300hp, that adding 14.7 psi (effectively doubling the air pressure) will automatically mean a doubling of power to 600hp. in theory, that would be the case, but it does not work like that in real life.
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Thank you Mr.Rogers. I kidna like it also. Still has a lot of work in its " crappy old big block" with "old technology". But it will get there someday.
Thank you Mr.Rogers. I kidna like it also. Still has a lot of work in its " crappy old big block" with "old technology". But it will get there someday.
If I were a cop, I would give you a ticket just for lookin fast.
Ahh it looks fast, but it really isnt fast yet. Like i said i have big plans for it. I might try and see if i can get more cubes than your LS7. I am kinda thinking of shooting for a 481 or 454, gotta see exactly what the cost would be. It is probably going to be a lot and scare me away to something smaller like a 402 or 408. I dont know, i would actually kinda like to save some money and see if i could buy a 07 ZO6 towards the end of this year. But i have so much stuff i have to do first before i could, and i still dont even know if i could. If i am able to, i will definately get me the blue one or perhaps the silver, both are awesome colors. It is a real shame that they dont make a white one though, not since 01 anyway. That would be my top choice.
I was thinking about it the other dat Mr.Rogers and do you know what the crazy thing is about your new car. I could do full-bolt-ons, heads, cam, and intake and i would finally get to your rwhp number and still lose. Almost maxing my car out N/A, other than nitrous. That is just absolutely astounding, and no car has ever sounded as good as a Vette, with a good size cam, true duals, off-road X-pipe, and an awesome cat-back. Not the butterfly valves, but something like a Borla Stingers or Corsa. If I am able to go for a ZO6 towards the end of this year, do you think you could hook me up with someone to get one from, tall order i know, but jsut wondering.
Oh and lastly i cannot believe you are only 27. You are 1 year older than I am and have an awesome vehicle. Hope I can get mine while im still only 26.
Ahh it looks fast, but it really isnt fast yet. Like i said i have big plans for it. I might try and see if i can get more cubes than your LS7. I am kinda thinking of shooting for a 481 or 454, gotta see exactly what the cost would be. It is probably going to be a lot and scare me away to something smaller like a 402 or 408. I dont know, i would actually kinda like to save some money and see if i could buy a 07 ZO6 towards the end of this year. But i have so much stuff i have to do first before i could, and i still dont even know if i could. If i am able to, i will definately get me the blue one or perhaps the silver, both are awesome colors. It is a real shame that they dont make a white one though, not since 01 anyway. That would be my top choice.
I was thinking about it the other dat Mr.Rogers and do you know what the crazy thing is about your new car. I could do full-bolt-ons, heads, cam, and intake and i would finally get to your rwhp number and still lose. Almost maxing my car out N/A, other than nitrous. That is just absolutely astounding, and no car has ever sounded as good as a Vette, with a good size cam, true duals, off-road X-pipe, and an awesome cat-back. Not the butterfly valves, but something like a Borla Stingers or Corsa. If I am able to go for a ZO6 towards the end of this year, do you think you could hook me up with someone to get one from, tall order i know, but jsut wondering.
Oh and lastly i cannot believe you are only 27. You are 1 year older than I am and have an awesome vehicle. Hope I can get mine while im still only 26.
Apply yourself and lose all conventional thinking and you will be surprised at what you can accomplish. Go against the grain my friend...
ORIGINAL: MrRogers Now shes going to go back and edit her posts so it makes your statement irrelavent. You have to "quote" her so she can't change what she said....yes.. it's that bad.
lol. yeah, its like everytime she posts theres a subliminal message to the reader just asking for a flame.
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