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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 4:17:17 PM
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i still dont believe that there are many cars made now or made years previous that looked better than the 98 and up firebirds
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 4:21:44 PM
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Well, tell me this, since engines are basically air pumps, if a stock 281 2V makes 230 rwhp, and the same engine putting out 10 - 12 psi makes 430 rwhp, how many more cubic inches would it take for that engine to make 430 rwhp normally asperated?
If a 281 ci engine makes 230 HP, that means it makes one HP per 1.22 cubic inch. Given that formular, to make another 200 hp, you would have to
multiply 1.22 x 430 (target HP) = 524ci.
How many pounds is a 524 ci engine and how many pounds is a 281 ci engine with an additional 80 or so pounds?
I think the blown small block beats out the big block head and shoulders.
Any arguments?
Janine
Wow Janine, you are a genius... So you think it takes 524ci to make 430hp? Then how in the hell does my , 427-ci, N/A bone stock powerplant make 505hp? Is GM lying to everyone? Please stop posting while your behind....
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:35:53 PM
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Well, tell me this, since engines are basically air pumps, if a stock 281 2V makes 230 rwhp, and the same engine putting out 10 - 12 psi makes 430 rwhp, how many more cubic inches would it take for that engine to make 430 rwhp normally asperated?
If a 281 ci engine makes 230 HP, that means it makes one HP per 1.22 cubic inch. Given that formular, to make another 200 hp, you would have to
multiply 1.22 x 430 (target HP) = 524ci.
How many pounds is a 524 ci engine and how many pounds is a 281 ci engine with an additional 80 or so pounds?
I think the blown small block beats out the big block head and shoulders.
Any arguments?
Janine
Wow Janine, you are a genius... So you think it takes 524ci to make 430hp? Then how in the hell does my , 427-ci, N/A bone stock powerplant make 505hp? Is GM lying to everyone? Please stop posting while your behind....
What are you smoking in your pipe??? Never, ever has GM put out a "bone stock" 427 that makes 505 hp to the wheels.
The 06 Vet with a 427ci engine makes 500 to the fly and actually dynos in at 462 to he wheels bone stock. But is that engine truly bone stock? That engine is loaded with all kinds of "aftermarket type" parts to beef it up.
Other than that, your notion has no grip to sustain its self.
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:45:14 PM
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What are you smoking in your pipe??? Never, ever has GM put out a "bone stock" 427 that makes 505 hp to the wheels.
The 06 Vet with a 427ci engine makes 500 to the fly and actually dynos in at 462 to he wheels bone stock. But is that engine truly bone stock? That engine is loaded with all kinds of "aftermarket type" parts to beef it up.
Other than that, your notion has no grip to sustain its self.
So, why don't YOU "stop lying to everyone."
He did say 505hp, which it's rated at. And it's all GM stuff.....there's not one aftermarket part on it. That motor with aftermarket parts, such as a cam/exhaust makes 600rwhp. Crazy, huh?
EDIT: seen where you said "aftermarket type" parts. Which, in all honesty, it's no where near making full potential. Just as I said with the aftermarket cam/exhaust and the motor sees 100rwhp.
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:45:42 PM
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Well, tell me this, since engines are basically air pumps, if a stock 281 2V makes 230 rwhp, and the same engine putting out 10 - 12 psi makes 430 rwhp, how many more cubic inches would it take for that engine to make 430 rwhp normally asperated?
If a 281 ci engine makes 230 HP, that means it makes one HP per 1.22 cubic inch. Given that formular, to make another 200 hp, you would have to
multiply 1.22 x 430 (target HP) = 524ci.
How many pounds is a 524 ci engine and how many pounds is a 281 ci engine with an additional 80 or so pounds?
I think the blown small block beats out the big block head and shoulders.
Any arguments?
Janine
Wow Janine, you are a genius... So you think it takes 524ci to make 430hp? Then how in the hell does my , 427-ci, N/A bone stock powerplant make 505hp? Is GM lying to everyone? Please stop posting while your behind....
What are you smoking in your pipe??? Never, ever has GM put out a "bone stock" 427 that makes 505 hp to the wheels.
The 06 Vet 427 makes 500 to the fly and actually dynos in at 462. That engine is loaded with all kinds "factory aftermarket type" parts to get that kind of power.
Other than that, your notion has no grip to sustain its self.
So, why don't YOU "stop lying to everyone."
LMAO!! "It is better to remain silent and thought of as a"..... ahhh never mind. People like you are what makes the qoute in my sig so relavant. You don't know anything about engines yet you try to tell me what GM hasn't done. I'm telling you from first hand expierience...GM has a 427ci 505hp N/A motor and I drive it daily. Here I will post a link so you can educate yourself...
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2006/LS7.shtml
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:49:02 PM
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Well, tell me this, since engines are basically air pumps, if a stock 281 2V makes 230 rwhp, and the same engine putting out 10 - 12 psi makes 430 rwhp, how many more cubic inches would it take for that engine to make 430 rwhp normally asperated?
If a 281 ci engine makes 230 HP, that means it makes one HP per 1.22 cubic inch. Given that formular, to make another 200 hp, you would have to
multiply 1.22 x 430 (target HP) = 524ci.
How many pounds is a 524 ci engine and how many pounds is a 281 ci engine with an additional 80 or so pounds?
I think the blown small block beats out the big block head and shoulders.
Any arguments?
Janine
Wow Janine, you are a genius... So you think it takes 524ci to make 430hp? Then how in the hell does my , 427-ci, N/A bone stock powerplant make 505hp? Is GM lying to everyone? Please stop posting while your behind....
What are you smoking in your pipe??? Never, ever has GM put out a "bone stock" 427 that makes 505 hp to the wheels.
The 06 Vet with a 427ci engine makes 500 to the fly and actually dynos in at 462 to he wheels bone stock. But is that engine truly bone stock? That engine is loaded with all kinds of "aftermarket type" parts to beef it up.
Other than that, your notion has no grip to sustain its self.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You are so clueless.....
  
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you can't mix oil and water, only chuck norris can do that.
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:50:56 PM
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Well, tell me this, since engines are basically air pumps, if a stock 281 2V makes 230 rwhp, and the same engine putting out 10 - 12 psi makes 430 rwhp, how many more cubic inches would it take for that engine to make 430 rwhp normally asperated?
If a 281 ci engine makes 230 HP, that means it makes one HP per 1.22 cubic inch. Given that formular, to make another 200 hp, you would have to
multiply 1.22 x 430 (target HP) = 524ci.
How many pounds is a 524 ci engine and how many pounds is a 281 ci engine with an additional 80 or so pounds?
I think the blown small block beats out the big block head and shoulders.
Any arguments?
Janine
Wow Janine, you are a genius... So you think it takes 524ci to make 430hp? Then how in the hell does my , 427-ci, N/A bone stock powerplant make 505hp? Is GM lying to everyone? Please stop posting while your behind....
What are you smoking in your pipe??? Never, ever has GM put out a "bone stock" 427 that makes 505 hp to the wheels.
The 06 Vet 427 makes 500 to the fly and actually dynos in at 462. That engine is loaded with all kinds "factory aftermarket type" parts to get that kind of power.
Other than that, your notion has no grip to sustain its self.
So, why don't YOU "stop lying to everyone."
LMAO!! "It is better to remain silent and thought of as a"..... ahhh never mind. People like you are what makes the qoute in my sig so relavant. You don't know anything about engines yet you try to tell me what GM hasn't done. I'm telling you from first hand expierience...GM has a 427ci 505hp N/A motor and I drive it daily. Here I will post a link so you can educate yourself...
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2006/LS7.shtml
Yes, I certainly know about that engine. I raced the 06 Vet with that famed 427 ci engine and beat him out in 2 of 3 races. The one I lost was less that 1/2 car. I beat him twice after that by 3/4 of a car.
You drive this car daily? Very nice. Why don't you post some pics of it?
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:53:37 PM
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Well, tell me this, since engines are basically air pumps, if a stock 281 2V makes 230 rwhp, and the same engine putting out 10 - 12 psi makes 430 rwhp, how many more cubic inches would it take for that engine to make 430 rwhp normally asperated?
If a 281 ci engine makes 230 HP, that means it makes one HP per 1.22 cubic inch. Given that formular, to make another 200 hp, you would have to
multiply 1.22 x 430 (target HP) = 524ci.
How many pounds is a 524 ci engine and how many pounds is a 281 ci engine with an additional 80 or so pounds?
I think the blown small block beats out the big block head and shoulders.
Any arguments?
Janine
Wow Janine, you are a genius... So you think it takes 524ci to make 430hp? Then how in the hell does my , 427-ci, N/A bone stock powerplant make 505hp? Is GM lying to everyone? Please stop posting while your behind....
What are you smoking in your pipe??? Never, ever has GM put out a "bone stock" 427 that makes 505 hp to the wheels.
The 06 Vet with a 427ci engine makes 500 to the fly and actually dynos in at 462 to he wheels bone stock. But is that engine truly bone stock? That engine is loaded with all kinds of "aftermarket type" parts to beef it up.
Other than that, your notion has no grip to sustain its self.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You are so clueless.....
And all you are working off is a dream....
I bet you drive a junker.
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:53:44 PM
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So admit that you didn't know what you were talking about and that your formula was junk. Then we'll talk about what I have.
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:55:09 PM
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He has....it's on the 1st page of street/strip.
The car is good for bottom 11's. Almost certain to see 10's in cool weather. All on factory rubber and BONE stock. It's an affordable supercar.
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 7:58:30 PM
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What are you smoking in your pipe??? Never, ever has GM put out a "bone stock" 427 that makes 505 hp to the wheels.
The 06 Vet with a 427ci engine makes 500 to the fly and actually dynos in at 462 to he wheels bone stock. But is that engine truly bone stock? That engine is loaded with all kinds of "aftermarket type" parts to beef it up.
Other than that, your notion has no grip to sustain its self.
So, why don't YOU "stop lying to everyone."
He did say 505hp, which it's rated at. And it's all GM stuff.....there's not one aftermarket part on it. That motor with aftermarket parts, such as a cam/exhaust makes 600rwhp. Crazy, huh?
EDIT: seen where you said "aftermarket type" parts. Which, in all honesty, it's no where near making full potential. Just as I said with the aftermarket cam/exhaust and the motor sees 100rwhp.
Yeah, it is crazy, it is mad crazy. Never seen one modified. Too valuable for the two people I know to start playing around with them. They say they want to keep them stock for future value.
I would like to see what they dyno out with certains mods. I wonder if the 427 would be as amenable to mods as the 03/04 Cobra 4V engines? Just an K&N air filter, and exhaust upgrade pumps out 67 hp in a 4V....
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 8:01:57 PM
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The Z06 engine with headers only adds 43hp. thats amazing for a N/A engine that technically shouldn't exist according to your formula.....
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 8:02:23 PM
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It's a forced induction motor vs an n/a motor...generally you won't see the same results. Of course, you generally won't see 100rwhp with a cam, or cam(s) swap, in a Cobra motor like you can in an LSx motor.
They're not valuable cars....they might as well do what they want with them. This isn't even GM's top of the line Corvette...well, currently it is, but give it a couple years.
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 8:05:50 PM
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Janine, honestly, I think you try way to hard to impress people, only, you fall way short of your goals. You apparently know nothing about the ZO6 motor, only it's cubic inches, yet you insist on arguing with people who know way more about it than you, even someone who owns one. Why?
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 8:13:01 PM
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Janine, honestly, I think you try way to hard to impress people, only, you fall way short of your goals. You apparently know nothing about the ZO6 motor, only it's cubic inches, yet you insist on arguing with people who know way more about it than you, even someone who owns one. Why?
Good question...I nailed her now she wants to change the whole direction of her original argument...
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RE: N/A big block vs. a blown small block; which is bet... - 7/11/2006 8:14:54 PM
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It's a forced induction motor vs an n/a motor...generally you won't see the same results. Of course, you generally won't see 100rwhp with a cam, or cam(s) swap, in a Cobra motor like you can in an LSx motor.
They're not valuable cars....they might as well do what they want with them. This isn't even GM's top of the line Corvette...well, currently it is, but give it a couple years.
Forced induction is just like adding cubic inches to a given engine. I displaces more air/fuel under boost. My 02 GT with it's 2V 281 ci engine can never make 456 to the wheels normally asperated. But under the 281 2V engine dynamics, it would take 524 CI to make 430 rwhp based on the stock quoten of 230 rwhp for 281ci. If you divide 281 into 230, you get 1.22. That is the variable. If you want this design to make 430 you have to mulitply 1.22 x 430 and you get 524 ci. With this particular engine's internal design, it would take 524ci to achieve 430 hp to the wheels, normally asperated. Of course you would need larger injectors, Maf etc to make this all work together.
Can you see what I am eluding to?
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