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newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:45:47 PM
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wil33562
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Well I made a newbie mistake when I purchased my Mustang a month ago. I took the owners word that it was originally a 66 C code coupe. The interior was a 66, the door plate said it was a 66, the door plate said it was a C-code, and the title said it was a 66 C-code and matched the VIN in the door.
I didn't know at the time I purchased the car that there was also a VIN on the drivers side engine compartment. It was really covered up deep with paint of whiched looked 20-30yrs old.
I finally got around to getting the paint off of the engine compartment VIN with a wire brush and sure enough it says the car is a 65 T-code.
It really threw me for a loop, because all of the suspension was for a V8 along with the fenders having the holes in the front of them for a 289 emblem. Plus the interior gauges are from a 66.
Are there any other places to look for the VIN, besides the door plate and drivers side engine compartment? Are there any more tale-tale signs that I can look for to confirm if this was really a t-code or c-code?
Also, legally, when I get ready to sale this in several years, what can I sale it as?
It ticks me off to think that I probably have an orginal t-code car, but I'm not really that discouraged. I will continue to push on in my efforts to restore the vehicle!
Thanks,
Kris
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:48:40 PM
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ACADIST
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I know the'67 had it stamped into the sheet metal under the drivers fender, must remove the fender to see it.
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:49:14 PM
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Clu7ch
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you'd have to get the oppinions of the other members but i do know you can have another buck tag made up by someone. but the vin is the vin. you can check the engine for casting numbers and decipher them using the links in the FAQ's page maybe that would help but you still run the chance of the motor being replaced. good luck with everything, hope all works out for you!
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:49:24 PM
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if you dont mind me askin a newbie question what is the diffrence betweent a t and a c code car and how do i find out which one i have?
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:53:32 PM
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Shoot. By the sounds of it....... The car is a 66 C code. it's possible that the apron was replaced with another one. I remember hearing that Ford even made mistakes with the Apron vin numbers....if i remember correctly.
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:54:51 PM
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wil33562
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Well, I knew when I purchased the car that the engine was not original, because it was a 302 and not a 289.
Should I even be worried about this since the engine is now a 302 and not even original any way?
Basically, I'm just wondering if I fully restore the car with the existing 302, are people going to frown upon it because it was originally a t-code car and not an original V8?
t-code = 6 cylinder
c-code = 8 cylinder
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:55:12 PM
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Clu7ch
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yeah, that is quite possible too.
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:57:10 PM
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wil33562
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I hope that is the case. Is the VIN on the front apron part of the fender or is it more of the inner-structure of the engine compartment?
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Shoot. By the sounds of it....... The car is a 66 C code. it's possible that the apron was replaced with another one. I remember hearing that Ford even made mistakes with the Apron vin numbers....if i remember correctly.
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 8:58:31 PM
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Clu7ch
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Well, I knew when I purchased the car that the engine was not original, because it was a 302 and not a 289.
Should I even be worried about this since the engine is now a 302 and not even original any way?
Basically, I'm just wondering if I fully restore the car with the existing 302, are people going to frown upon it because it was originally a t-code car and not an original V8?
t-code = 6 cylinder
c-code = 8 cylinder
well, just the fact that the motor has been changed to a 302 makes it no longer "numbers matching". the more important thing is, do you care what people think of YOUR car? are you restoring this to sell or for your own use? personally, i believe it's your car, if you want to paint it bright pink and put little flowers all over it, go for it! who's to tell you you can't. everyone has different tastes. now, if you want to resto it and make a few beans selling it, it would pay off to get everything to match up. and relplace the mismatched tag!
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 9:01:33 PM
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Well, you see where it is right? That is the apron. They have to be cut off... i believe to be changed. It's very possible, that the car was in a wreck, and the apron was replaced with a junkyard apron. I know my car was wrecked, because my driver side apron looks screwed up, but thank god, they didn't replace it, just fixed it alittle bit. I really wouldn't worry. I dont think somebody would go through so much trouble replacing everything to make it a 66. It doesn't make sense.
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 9:05:14 PM
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wil33562
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Well, hopefully, I will never have to sale this car once I get it all fixed up. But I want to make myself aware that the possibily is always there to sale it.
I just don't want to invest 15k or more in this car and then have people come back and only want to give me 3-4k since it could be a t-code. Maybe people don't frown upon that to much!
Your right, it is my car to do as I please and I'm happy with it!
THanks,
Kris
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 9:07:05 PM
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wil33562
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Well, you see where it is right? That is the apron. They have to be cut off... i believe to be changed. It's very possible, that the car was in a wreck, and the apron was replaced with a junkyard apron. I know my car was wrecked, because my driver side apron looks screwed up, but thank god, they didn't replace it, just fixed it alittle bit. I really wouldn't worry. I dont think somebody would go through so much trouble replacing everything to make it a 66. It doesn't make sense.
I wouldn't think someone would go through that much trouble either. What are all of the differences between a 65 and 66?
Thanks,
Kris
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 9:11:52 PM
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6mustang6
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A 65 grille is a black honey comb grille. it has little squares, while the 66 has vertical chrome lines. the 65 grille has grille bars, while the 66 doesn't. The caps on a 65 have a black insert in the middle, while the 66's are all metal, with an embelm. On the side of a 66, the side chrome behind the door has 3 fingers extending from it, while the 65 does not. You already mentioned the guage cluster..... There aren't too many more differences. oh, and 66's all had padded sun visors
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RE: newbie mistake VIN problems - 6/27/2006 9:12:09 PM
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Clu7ch
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If I remember right there is a VIN stamped on the apron under the passenger fender. You have to take the fender off to see it. You might be able to see it from the wheel well but you would have to read it backwards. There is a good chance the apron was replaced with a used one. The problem is the door tag VIN is not a legal VIN. It even says "not for title or registration" on the tag. A good body man would be able to tell if the apron was replaced.
yup. that's where it is. it's very possible it was replaced. i am begining to believe mine was too cause i really can't see the numbers from the top or bottom.
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