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like i said, i'm not completely sure. mine doesn't have it there and everything has been painted over. reason why i'm not worried about throwing whatever i feel like in. all i know is i was told it was on the fender but not the fedner itself, the apron piece the fender blots into. weather or not it's in plain sight i don't know.
I really don't know where to go from here. SHould I be happy, mad, sad, etc!
I have a car that according to the title which matches the door plate is a clean and clear 66 c-code coupe. However, the legal VIN's on the front say it is a 65 t-code.
All of the suspension such as the springs, drums, rear end is a V8 suspension. The front fenders have the holes where a 289 emblem would go. The interior has the 66 visors and the 66 guages. The grille is a 66. The gas cap is a 65. The moldings behind the doors are a 65.
The current motor in it is by far not original. It is a 302.
So to me, it looks like some PO took a lot of time to make the car look like a 66 c-code. I really don't know what has happened with it, because legally from a title standpoint I have a 66 -C. But legally by the legal VINs on the car I have a 65 -T.
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Are there any other places to check for a VIN other than the door plate, left front apron, and right front apron?
What I'm most worried about is if this car could have been stolen and some how retitled with just the door plate.
The person I bought the car from was an older man in his mid-late 60's and had owned the car since 1993. He said he hadn't done much with the car except rebuild the 302 just several months before I purchased it from him.
Its a C code 66. The title is the title. Door or fender indications can be changed. There is no formal (legal) VIN marker on 65-66. The fact that the apron was swapped a dozen or more years ago will effect the value of the car. Not so much because of originality issues (not on a common standard 65-66 coupe), but because it indicates major collision damage in the past.
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Specializing in front disk brake swaps for those models of cars introduced in the 1960's that I may not mention or the company that made them will sue me.
IS the title original???? or is that a stupid question? i have never dealt with titles yet.
The title that I received when I purchased the vehicle was a bonafied clear/clean Arkansas State issued title in 1993 to the PO. After I purchased the car I took his title along with the bill of sale to my local DMV to register, transfer the title, and tag. Last week I received my State of Arkansas issued clear title.
I'm pretty sure when you register a vehicle and transfer a title that the DMV runs a check to make sure the vehicle is not stolen. Of course they run that on the VIN that was on the previous title. They don't actually come out to your car and visually look at the apron VIN.
So that means it can still be a 65 T-code then. We know it was changed before 93.
Yep! That's what I'm thinking. It was definately done prior to 93.
I just can't imagine why someone would go through all of the trouble changing the interior gauges, visors, and possibly dash pad along with the grille and fenders to make it appear to be a 66. And then not go through and put 66 side moldings and a 66 gas cap on it.
I would say because of the quarter chrome and the 65 T code the car started life as a 65. If the aprons had been changed there will be evidence of that. In 71 my dad bought a 67 mustang for my mom. He was told the car had been wrecked and it was easy to spot because it had a 68 front clip on it. The problem was that they had also changed the front aprons and radiator support. That was the car I was going to restore until I started looking at how bad the rust was. I decided to start with a different car for my project and scrap the original car. When tearing it apart is when I noticed that both front VIN's were from the 68 and the title and door tag were from the original 67. The clenched it for me. I knew that I was not going to put all that money in a car and go to the trouble to fix all the rust if the title didn't match the VIN. It hurt to scrap a car that I had learned to drive on that had been in the family so long but I had to do it.
The Chassis I bought to start my project was also a 67. The owner had lost the title so to get a new one I had to get the VIN verified. I had to pay them to come to the house because the car didn't run. I specifically asked about the door tag VIN and they said they will never use that for verification because it is not permanently attached to the chassis. The only VIN they will use is on the apron. I'm not sure how this affects your situation but I thought you might want to know what I have learned through first had experience. I also transferred title on a 59 Ford Truck from California to Colorado. I had to have the VIN verified to get that done also. I really believe that car is a 65 but to confirm this you might take it to a good mustang shop and see if they can confirm that.
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just think of it this way, when you get it insured, tell them its a t-code inline 6
that might get you in trouble honestly though.
yeah, but you can have it done up just about anyway. if you can convince the DMV it is a t-code and had a I6 in it, than they will make you up a title (for a cost, of course) and you will be able to register it as a t-code.
just think of it this way, when you get it insured, tell them its a t-code inline 6
that might get you in trouble honestly though.
yeah, but you can have it done up just about anyway. if you can convince the DMV it is a t-code and had a I6 in it, than they will make you up a title (for a cost, of course) and you will be able to register it as a t-code.
yea i know, but it would probably be a little bit cheaper then a v8. to my knowledge, my insurance ONLY knows i hav a v8, and not a 351c. i shouldve said i had a t-code 6cyl *with 2 extra cylinders*
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well, the other downfall is, just the fact that it is a mustang regular insurance will put it into a sports car catagory. i had a 86 and 89 4 banger mustang and each one my insurance was garbage solely for the fact that it was a mustang. it's kinda beat, but being that it was a 4 cyl instead of a V8 helpoed tho.
...They don't actually come out to your car and visually look at the apron VIN.
As I said before, there is no legal VIN indicator on 65-66, so noone is going to be interested in the numbers on the apron! The door and apron VINs were a serial number used by Ford for production control and warranty validation. Federal mandated VIN tags located just below the windshield came in 67 or 68.
The obvious question is does the VIN number on your title match any of those on the car? I'm betting it matches the one on the door. Doesn't this suggest that the this was the original VIN?
Specializing in front disk brake swaps for those models of cars introduced in the 1960's that I may not mention or the company that made them will sue me.
...They don't actually come out to your car and visually look at the apron VIN.
As I said before, there is no legal VIN indicator on 65-66, so noone is going to be interested in the numbers on the apron! The door and apron VINs were a serial number used by Ford for production control and warranty validation. Federal mandated VIN tags located just below the windshield came in 67 or 68.
The obvious question is does the VIN number on your title match any of those on the car? I'm betting it matches the one on the door. Doesn't this suggest that the this was the original VIN?
Yes, the VIN on the title matches the VIN in the door plate.
One question about the guage cluster: If you had a 65 dash and wanted to put a 66 guage cluster in, didn't you have to modify or cut the openings for the guage cluster for it to fit right?
If so, I will take out the guage cluster this weekend and see if it has been modified.
If you take out the gauge cluster, look for a notched out/rounded out area above the steering column to accomodate the speedo part of the cluster. A '65 non-GT won't have it.
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