that motor is not making 380hp, sorry to break it to you. Believeing the people trying to sell you the parts is the last people you believe. 15 years of building motors for everyone from AA/Automatic nhra racers to pro-street guys, I can guarantee that package isnt making 380.
If I get this 351 then could I send it to you and pay you to rebuild it?
I unlike most starving engine builders would recommend you find a local person, not only for shipping reasons, but face to face contact goes a long way when taking on this endeavour. Something goes wrong your gonna be paying a TON of money in shipping a block across the country multiple times. I have 5 clients that kep me busy running thier respective IHRA and NHRA classes. Use someone local to you.
I always thought that the 289 was a windsor. it might not have been built at the windsor plant, but it's the same design, and everything like the windsors.
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I always thought that the 289 was a windsor. it might not have been built at the windsor plant, but it's the same design, and everything like the windsors.
.............classified in the Windsor family by who?
Come on, do you really think I thought the 289 is a Cleveland in the terms "Windsor" and "Cleveland" are used today?
I just wanted to point out that "none" of the 289`s were built in Windsor. ("none" meaning that there were a few)
(this is why I wrote the smarta$$ thing)
lol your gonna have people saying they own a 289 cleveland and there gonna get laughed at.
LOL. As you predicted, myshifter, my post about our engines heritage could lead to some confusion........
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I always thought that the 289 was a windsor. it might not have been built at the windsor plant, but it's the same design, and everything like the windsors.
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.............classified in the Windsor family by who?
Come on, do you really think I thought the 289 is a Cleveland in the terms "Windsor" and "Cleveland" are used today?
I just wanted to point out that "none" of the 289`s were built in Windsor. ("none" meaning that there were a few)
(this is why I wrote the smarta$$ thing)
lol your gonna have people saying they own a 289 cleveland and there gonna get laughed at.
LOL. As you predicted, myshifter, my post about our engines heritage could lead to some confusion........
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I always thought that the 289 was a windsor. it might not have been built at the windsor plant, but it's the same design, and everything like the windsors.
So what do I do now? I found a 351w for $200 but it'll probably need rebuilt before I put it in the car considering it's got 110,000 miles on it. Another friend of mine I just talked to wants me to keep the 289 and just stroke it to 347 but IDK what that'll cost me or any of the details on it. My cousin wants me to just stick with the 289. What do I do?
Pics of the 351 should be coming up tomorrow
err... can you even stroke a 289 to a 347? lol ive never heard of that. the only strokers i have found for that engine are for 305. the 305 can be pushed to 331, 347, or even 355 (not a good idea)
if you want to supercharge it later, take a serious look at your stroke. the more you stroke it, the harder it will be to put a power adder on.
im getting a fox soon... i want to stroke the 305 to a 347, but i found out that... well its not the best idea... so im going with a 331 stroker shortblock from DSS racing
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i know a guy, used to work with him actually, who has a 91 5.0 pushing evey bit of 638HP at the rear wheels thru a tremec T-5. so a 400 hp 289/302 is not a far cry. now, granted, the guy didn't build the motor himself as far as i know and it IS N/A, no N2O, no turbo(s), not S/C.
ON EDIT: i can tdo no more to prove the power numbers than tell you i have seen the dyno sheet along with about a dozen other guys and been thrown into the back seat when he opened this beast up!
your missing a ton of details on that motor, its not a pump gas motor for one, compression is at a minimum 12:1, its not a 302 or 306 and its running atleast a yates head. Far cry from what this is building. Its not a stock production block either, maybe a mexican block or a boss block, but at over 700hp at the crank the block like all production ford 302's will split in half over the 600hp mark. Your missing ALOT of details. 700 at the crank from a 302 is over 2hp per inch. I can name 3 engine builders in the country that are known for doing that.
yeah you are right on that. i am missing the exact specs on that motor, but i know what i know and it's runing on pump gas at 638 to the rear wheels.
and most of the blocks can handle that power BUT, not for an extended period of time. he knew and said to every body, i wouldn't be suprised if the block split in a matter of weeks if not months. if i bump into him any time soon, i'll make sure to grab more info, but i know for a fact he was running pump gas.
You may be knowledgeable on motors but that does not make you a know it all, you're off base here. So, if putting aftermarket parts on a motor like a 289 is not going to produce close to 350hp or more, tell me how the hell the link I post is getting 400 out of a small block ford???? They are not trying to sell any parts...........................
When my motor is done and I get the car on a dyno, you can eat you're words.
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that motor is not making 380hp, sorry to break it to you. Believeing the people trying to sell you the parts is the last people you believe. 15 years of building motors for everyone from AA/Automatic nhra racers to pro-street guys, I can guarantee that package isnt making 380.
err... can you even stroke a 289 to a 347? lol ive never heard of that. the only strokers i have found for that engine are for 305. the 305 can be pushed to 331, 347, or even 355 (not a good idea)
if you want to supercharge it later, take a serious look at your stroke. the more you stroke it, the harder it will be to put a power adder on.
im getting a fox soon... i want to stroke the 305 to a 347, but i found out that... well its not the best idea... so im going with a 331 stroker shortblock from DSS racing
The 289 has a 4" bore, same as the 302 but with a 2.87" stroke. So there isnt much reason why it couldnt be stroked to a 347 as long as the block is clearanced for the increased stroke.
The HP debate is interesting, but something a few of us have learned over the years is that we dont race dynos, dynos read differently from day to day and shop to shop, and the best way to feel inadequate about your automotive skills is to strap your fresh engine to a dyno.
The builders who are making crazy power dont just assemble the parts. If it were that easy everyone could do it. Subtle and seemingly small or insignificant changes are where alot of power is found. Add in coatings and dyno tweaks and what the average guy in his garage can build compared to someone like John Kaase, become vastly different in power production.
Sure one engine may dyno this number, but there is no guarantee you can duplicate it. Its a great place to start but its in the small details after the big parts are assembled.
err... can you even stroke a 289 to a 347? lol ive never heard of that. the only strokers i have found for that engine are for 305. the 305 can be pushed to 331, 347, or even 355 (not a good idea)
if you want to supercharge it later, take a serious look at your stroke. the more you stroke it, the harder it will be to put a power adder on.
im getting a fox soon... i want to stroke the 305 to a 347, but i found out that... well its not the best idea... so im going with a 331 stroker shortblock from DSS racing
The HP debate is interesting, but something a few of us have learned over the years is that we dont race dynos, dynos read differently from day to day and shop to shop, and the best way to feel inadequate about your automotive skills is to strap your fresh engine to a dyno.
especially cheezy desktop dynos, there is one simulation thats decent, the rest are playtoys. Not too mention that hydraulic cam he is intending on using. That motor aint making 380
I can see this is going nowhere, everyone is an authority.. whatever
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err... can you even stroke a 289 to a 347? lol ive never heard of that. the only strokers i have found for that engine are for 305. the 305 can be pushed to 331, 347, or even 355 (not a good idea)
if you want to supercharge it later, take a serious look at your stroke. the more you stroke it, the harder it will be to put a power adder on.
im getting a fox soon... i want to stroke the 305 to a 347, but i found out that... well its not the best idea... so im going with a 331 stroker shortblock from DSS racing
The HP debate is interesting, but something a few of us have learned over the years is that we dont race dynos, dynos read differently from day to day and shop to shop, and the best way to feel inadequate about your automotive skills is to strap your fresh engine to a dyno.
especially cheezy desktop dynos, there is one simulation thats decent, the rest are playtoys. Not too mention that hydraulic cam he is intending on using. That motor aint making 380
I can see this is going nowhere, everyone is an authority.. whatever
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err... can you even stroke a 289 to a 347? lol ive never heard of that. the only strokers i have found for that engine are for 305. the 305 can be pushed to 331, 347, or even 355 (not a good idea)
if you want to supercharge it later, take a serious look at your stroke. the more you stroke it, the harder it will be to put a power adder on.
im getting a fox soon... i want to stroke the 305 to a 347, but i found out that... well its not the best idea... so im going with a 331 stroker shortblock from DSS racing
The HP debate is interesting, but something a few of us have learned over the years is that we dont race dynos, dynos read differently from day to day and shop to shop, and the best way to feel inadequate about your automotive skills is to strap your fresh engine to a dyno.
especially cheezy desktop dynos, there is one simulation thats decent, the rest are playtoys. Not too mention that hydraulic cam he is intending on using. That motor aint making 380
well when you have built 100's of different combinations, its pretty easy to tell what the outcome is gonna be
I can see this is going nowhere, everyone is an authority.. whatever
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err... can you even stroke a 289 to a 347? lol ive never heard of that. the only strokers i have found for that engine are for 305. the 305 can be pushed to 331, 347, or even 355 (not a good idea)
if you want to supercharge it later, take a serious look at your stroke. the more you stroke it, the harder it will be to put a power adder on.
im getting a fox soon... i want to stroke the 305 to a 347, but i found out that... well its not the best idea... so im going with a 331 stroker shortblock from DSS racing
The HP debate is interesting, but something a few of us have learned over the years is that we dont race dynos, dynos read differently from day to day and shop to shop, and the best way to feel inadequate about your automotive skills is to strap your fresh engine to a dyno.
especially cheezy desktop dynos, there is one simulation thats decent, the rest are playtoys. Not too mention that hydraulic cam he is intending on using. That motor aint making 380
well when you have built 100's of different combinations, its pretty easy to tell what the outcome is gonna be
I can see this is going nowhere, everyone is an authority.. whatever
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err... can you even stroke a 289 to a 347? lol ive never heard of that. the only strokers i have found for that engine are for 305. the 305 can be pushed to 331, 347, or even 355 (not a good idea)
if you want to supercharge it later, take a serious look at your stroke. the more you stroke it, the harder it will be to put a power adder on.
im getting a fox soon... i want to stroke the 305 to a 347, but i found out that... well its not the best idea... so im going with a 331 stroker shortblock from DSS racing
The HP debate is interesting, but something a few of us have learned over the years is that we dont race dynos, dynos read differently from day to day and shop to shop, and the best way to feel inadequate about your automotive skills is to strap your fresh engine to a dyno.
especially cheezy desktop dynos, there is one simulation thats decent, the rest are playtoys. Not too mention that hydraulic cam he is intending on using. That motor aint making 380
well when you have built 100's of different combinations, its pretty easy to tell what the outcome is gonna be
now your taking it way out of context. Good Luck on that 380
Slick I hope you do make good power with that combo. As for being an authority, well 25 years experience, ASE Master Tech Certification, and a good bit of edumecation might just give some insights into vehicles.
Never said you were wrong, and also didnt say shifter is wrong. Just that in the real world things come out differently even when two engines are built with the same parts. That being said, knowing that a combination of parts works well is a good foundation for a buildup. Getting the big parts to match up well is one of the toughest parts to building an engine. Starting from scratch and learning all on your own by trial and error is expensive and time consuming, pickin up where somene else left off is a very intelligent approach.
The desktop dynos show what the ultimate possibility of a certain combination would be under perfect conditions. Most are inflated on the bottom and quite optimistic in general. Just what we have seen from building engines that were figured out on a program like that. If you want to use one of those effectively, just look at the torque curve rather than the numbers. The torque curve is usefull, it will show where something doesnt match up and where the deficiencies are. The numbers arent worthless, just inflated. Tha variables involved are beyond the capabilities of most PC's and back yard wrenches.
Get it built, strap it to a chassis dyno and let us know what it does. I want to know what it puts out real world, because it seems to be a nice mild combination that would work well in a daily driven sztreet strip ride.
Thats just what I thought, I will let you know the outcome. Here is the chart from the desktop dyno
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Slick I hope you do make good power with that combo. As for being an authority, well 25 years experience, ASE Master Tech Certification, and a good bit of edumecation might just give some insights into vehicles.
Never said you were wrong, and also didnt say shifter is wrong. Just that in the real world things come out differently even when two engines are built with the same parts. That being said, knowing that a combination of parts works well is a good foundation for a buildup. Getting the big parts to match up well is one of the toughest parts to building an engine. Starting from scratch and learning all on your own by trial and error is expensive and time consuming, pickin up where somene else left off is a very intelligent approach.
The desktop dynos show what the ultimate possibility of a certain combination would be under perfect conditions. Most are inflated on the bottom and quite optimistic in general. Just what we have seen from building engines that were figured out on a program like that. If you want to use one of those effectively, just look at the torque curve rather than the numbers. The torque curve is usefull, it will show where something doesnt match up and where the deficiencies are. The numbers arent worthless, just inflated. Tha variables involved are beyond the capabilities of most PC's and back yard wrenches.
Get it built, strap it to a chassis dyno and let us know what it does. I want to know what it puts out real world, because it seems to be a nice mild combination that would work well in a daily driven sztreet strip ride.
right like I said the desktop dyno is 100% useless. If you think taking a 289 slapping on a ede head and hydraulic cam is gonna make 380 your gonna be sad. Why do you have a problem taking advice from someone that has been there and done that 15 years ago? I dont really understand the problem.
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