*%$@# Jave apps..! The link below is a dud. The package being referenced on the Ford Racing Parts website is the M-2006-FR1.
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ORIGINAL: mlcavassa
In the opinion of this group, would a Ford Racing "Performance Package" (consisting of CAI, Pro-Cal tune programmer, muffler kit and oil filter; http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=9398) be considered "aftermarket components"..?? These parts are, afterall, Ford's. Does anyone believe that, in the eyes of their local Ford service manager, a mod using Ford parts would be viewed more favorably when it came time to assign blame if or when a stock powertain component were to fail? Thoughts..?
From what I was informed by my dealer, if you buy the Ford Racing packs and you have your dealer install them it retains all factory warranty on the installed parts including the parts that come in the pack. In which case, if you bought the pack with the CAI in it and then you dealer installed it and for some reason it was faulty, your warranty replaces it. This is what I was informed by the dealer which I bought my car from, so I cannot say that your dealer will know this or feel the same way. It will depend on what types of cars your dealership mainly sells, if they sell lots of cobras, saleens, gts, etc, theyre not going to mind you modding your Mustang some, but if you have a dealer that mainly deals compacts and minivans, they might not be too hott with it, ya know? Just have to get a feel for your dealership and learn where they stand.
Thanks for the feedback. As far as my dealer is concerned, I'm pretty sure they'd be OK with - at a minimum, the Ford Racing kits as they are the only Ford Racing parts dealer in the state (Landmark Ford, Portland OR). And, as it happens, they do indeed sell lots of Saleens, Cobras and GTs <sigh>, and are the main sponsor of the only official Mustang Club of America chapter in Oregon, so their pain threshold for a few mods here and there may be higher than most. I'm going to swing by the service department in the morning and see how they/he/she feel about a C&L CAI, Brenspeed tune and Mac mufflers. I'm assuming they'll be OK with the rally stripes..! Thanks again!
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From what I was informed by my dealer, if you buy the Ford Racing packs and you have your dealer install them it retains all factory warranty on the installed parts including the parts that come in the pack. In which case, if you bought the pack with the CAI in it and then you dealer installed it and for some reason it was faulty, your warranty replaces it. This is what I was informed by the dealer which I bought my car from, so I cannot say that your dealer will know this or feel the same way. It will depend on what types of cars your dealership mainly sells, if they sell lots of cobras, saleens, gts, etc, theyre not going to mind you modding your Mustang some, but if you have a dealer that mainly deals compacts and minivans, they might not be too hott with it, ya know? Just have to get a feel for your dealership and learn where they stand.
Can the city of Santa Fe sue the railroad or Hyundai? Can the Colorado Avalanche the sue Chevy? Can the city of Malibu sue Chevy or Mattel?
Serious question now... If I go in for my 5K mile service, and the dealer doesn't mention my mods, should I be OK? If they void my warranty at some point, will they pay me baack for the extended warranty I bought?
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A lot depends on the service manager. My dealer sells a lot of 'Stangs (Saleens, Rousch, Renold,etc) and GT500s. My service manager said he didn't care about mods and as long as the warranty was in effect, he would honor it. I specifically ask him about adding a C&L CAI with Predator tune. I guess I'm just lucky.
guarantee that if you go into a dealership quotin' "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act " that the service manager and everybody else is gonna tell you to go f*** yourself.
good info to have in your back pocket, but I'd recommend sweet talkin' your service manager or whohever first. My guy treated me right even though I had s/c and full exhaust put on.
put if you want to go Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act route then your gonna have to get a lawyer and i can't see how your gonna do anything but recover cost (but probly not the legal fees which will dwarf the cost of the repair in the first place)
in my view, don't mod your car unless you can afford or accept the consequences
You can sue for attorney's fees, and warranty repairs under magnuson-moss warranty act so the suit will cover all damages and the attorney's fees unless your attorney is screwing you.
"It also makes it economically viable to bring warranty suits by providing the award of attorney's fees."
However, you are dead on by saying the service manager and everyone else will say what you said they will say. They'll take it a step further and tell you stuff like "these types of things aren't covered under x,y,z laws and yadda yadda yadda".
There is only one way to bring up consumer protection law at a dealer, and it's through your attorney. Save yourself the elevated blood pressure and let him handle it. You take your car in for the warranty work. If they tell you where to go, you get an attorney if you feel you are getting screwed. During the initial consultation (which should be free) he'll tell you if you have a case, or if you will be eating the repairs. If you are 100% honest with the attorney, you'll probably get an accurate answer.
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Any of you know if changing your own oil voids your warranty? My dealer told me not to pay for the oil change program or whatever it is because I can do my own oil changes. But someone told me that what he meant was by a lube shop or something not in my driveway and if I did it myself and never proved that I did an oil change it will void my warranty.
Any of you know if changing your own oil voids your warranty? My dealer told me not to pay for the oil change program or whatever it is because I can do my own oil changes. But someone told me that what he meant was by a lube shop or something not in my driveway and if I did it myself and never proved that I did an oil change it will void my warranty.
Keep your receipts when you buy the oil and write down in the manual when you change it. Other than that I dont think theres anything you can do.. but I dont think they can void your warranty for oil changes since pretty much everyone can do it. Its not like its complicated or anything. Id ask your dealership tech though to be sure your dealership isnt anal about stuff like that.
As was stated above, as long as you keep a log, or data base, along with ALL of your receipts, you should be fine. Back in 1970 when I purchased my Chevelle, it was back to the dealer only once for an oil change; and that was at the initial 1200 mile oil change and "check up". After that, I changed the oil and filter myself every 2000 miles using Valvoline, the same brand the Chevy dealer used on the initial change. In those days, the drive train was warranted for 50,000 miles, but the original 350 ran for over 345,000 miles. As long as you use the recommended oil, change it at the recommended intervals and keep proper records (just in case!), you should have no problems with the warranty. As an aside, when I tore the original 350 down after all those miles, there was absolutely no sludge anywhere in the engine! A tribute to regular oil AND filter changes. Cheaper to change the oil than fry an engine!
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ORIGINAL: MalibuJerry350
As was stated above, as long as you keep a log, or data base, along with ALL of your receipts, you should be fine. Back in 1970 when I purchased my Chevelle, it was back to the dealer only once for an oil change; and that was at the initial 1200 mile oil change and "check up". After that, I changed the oil and filter myself every 2000 miles using Valvoline, the same brand the Chevy dealer used on the initial change. In those days, the drive train was warranted for 50,000 miles, but the original 350 ran for over 345,000 miles. As long as you use the recommended oil, change it at the recommended intervals and keep proper records (just in case!), you should have no problems with the warranty. As an aside, when I tore the original 350 down after all those miles, there was absolutely no sludge anywhere in the engine! A tribute to regular oil AND filter changes. Cheaper to change the oil than fry an engine!
I love it when people post examples of American cars lasting so long, like yours did. 350,000 miles for ANY engine is an incredible accomplishment, both for the manufacturer and the owner. Yes it's a testament to regular oil changes, but it's also a testament to the quality of the product and especially the long-term care given by the owner. Kudos to you!
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I think the premise to the entire conversation is that a warrany is only to protect the buyer from manufacturer defects. The manufacturer will protect itself from bogus claims if they can, in any way attribute the type of failure to a modification (parts, installation, materials, et cetera) the claim will likely not be paid. Granted they have to prove that the modification is directly related to the failure, but something as simple as a pcm calibration will keep virtually any base engine failure from being covered. Basically, a broken valvespring is one of the only failures that we (the manufacturer) cannot attribute to modifications. Lowering springs will keep ball joints, shocks and tie rod ends from being covered, recals will keep base engine failures from coverage, dirty or aftermarket intake systems will keep engine failures from being covered if fod (foreign object debris) ingestion is the source of failure and so on. Basically just beware that if your modification can in any way be related to the failed component/system, it is arguably the source and therefore should not be considered the manufacturers responsibility (remember, warranty is for defects from the maker - not any failure that occurs in the first 3/36.
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