Just kinda supporting CK here.... I personally have seen 2 new Z06's in one day around where I live, and trust me I don't live in the richest part of Texas....I don't really see a problem with him seein 4 Z06s in one day, even in the same place... I reckon that CK sees his fair share of fast cars.... and from what i've seen, not that I have seen a whole lot, but the guys with the Z06's seem to have bought them for more than just a collectors item....I mean i know that is what they are mostly, but those guys will run them occasionally. But sorry for the babbleing, and I do have to agree with most people....I don't really worry about smoking the c6's....the problem isn't smoking them, but trying to find one to run you....they just won't race..... you can't smoke somethin that won't race you...jmo....Anyways I'll quit babbling now.....Night fellas, and ladies Cory
So what do you guys think it would take to smoke a C6 vette, without going the forced induction route? I think it should be our civic duty as mustang enthusiasts to aspire to be the top dog in the struggle for american muscle dominance. ( sorry if that was too much-gettin a little lit!)
It would take an awful lot to beat one. To smoke one would be impossible without some type of power adder I believe. I honestly think it would take about 500+ horsepower and complete suspension overhaul to beat the coupe and about 600+hp with the suspension to beat the Z06. We would basically have to build a Corvette(a car that sits low, has top of the line suspension and has a lot of meat for traction). The reason for so much power is because of the weight difference AND the way those things hook compared to ours. If we added the power to beat one, the suspension and traction issues would surface. In other words, order your crate engine and suspension upgrades now.
I only disagree with some of your guesses on numbers. Before I went down for the rebuild, I was putting down 526 rwhp on the stock motor with a vortech h/o kit at 14 psi. I WALKED all 4 of the new Z06's I raced at the track. Traction was always THEIR problem, not mine. The actually pulled hard after 3rd gear, but the race was over at the 60'. They have a HARD time getting traction off the line - even with DR's. Of course my car is/was built to hook like mad but it didn't take much to get it that way.
What do you do in the 1/4?
I ran 11.60's on the stock motor for almost a year.
I WALKED all 4 of the new Z06's I raced at the track.
Not doubting you in the least, but you saw 4 ZO6 vettes in one day in one place? Was it a meet or something?
I have seen one so far and am surprised at how few I see considering the high end machinery that normally roams the streets around here.
Where in the world in my post did I state that I raced all 4 in 1 day or at 1 track???? Come on - I'm probably the least BS race story provider on this site. I never saw more than 1 at a time. 3 were at Perris raceway on 3 seperate occasions, and 1 was at fontanna - all within the last 6 months. For you doubters of stock motor power, here is a quick clip of me beating a car MUCH faster than the Z06. (Don't forget this is on the STOCK motor with vortech s/c)
I WALKED all 4 of the new Z06's I raced at the track.
Not doubting you in the least, but you saw 4 ZO6 vettes in one day in one place? Was it a meet or something?
I have seen one so far and am surprised at how few I see considering the high end machinery that normally roams the streets around here.
Where in the world in my post did I state that I raced all 4 in 1 day or at 1 track???? Come on - I'm probably the least BS race story provider on this site. I never saw more than 1 at a time. 3 were at Perris raceway on 3 seperate occasions, and 1 was at fontanna - all within the last 6 months. For you doubters of stock motor power, here is a quick clip of me beating a car MUCH faster than the Z06. (Don't forget this is on the STOCK motor with vortech s/c) http://homepage.mac.com/chevykiller/iMovieTheater7.html
(click on 'RACING' tab at top for more track footage)
Hmmm let me do some simple math here.....you say you ran 11.6 on the stock motor and walked on 4 new Z06...the z06 is capable of 11.5 in the 1/4. Then you beat a car that was MUCH faster than the Z06...So that must mean you have a 10 second car right? I'm not calling BS on you i'm just asking for clarification if you don't mind...
This is my last post on this site but I will answer you...
I beat the car in the video ONLY because I caught him sleeping which was the point of the video i.e. how important the launch is when racing. He should (and HAS on several occasions) spanked me.
I don't care what you READ the Z06 is capabale of - what it DOES is a different story. I'll bet the farm you can't get your own vette to run what's its' capable of. Certainly not on street tires.
And for the record, the next time I drive my stang, it will be in the 9's.
I think that a properly supercharged GT would do it in a straight line. Putting down 475-500hp at the tires with a weight of no more than 3550Lbs. Most vettes struggle to see low 12's. At englishtown I saw a few stockers running mid to high 12s.
But you still have the issues that the vette is a supirior car in alot of other ways. But I still say the mustang is more fun to drive than a normal C6.
Forget about the GT500. I would rather start with a GT. Too much weight for what they added!
The Gt-500 is the collectors car and nice for fun. But I still say that the modified GT's are where the performance lies.
My opinion on the GT500 is the same as yours.BTW , I've owned 2, C5 Vettes(one was a 2004 Zo6...405hp).An unmodified C5 with3:15 gears and 350 hp, is an easy target for a mild modded Mustang V8,if the driver in the Stang is a better driver. A S/c'd Mustang(I now have a 2006 Stage 3 Roush Mustang GT) ,will beat a C6,but not a C6 Zo6.It might be FUN to try on a trackday .I am using my seat of the pants observations, since I owned the 405 hp Vette and the Roush (with a few mods =425 hp.) Next ,IMO,a lot of those Vette guys are just like Mustang owners with mods,so expect some racing goodies under their hoods,as well. I think the car I have now is a real beast (I mean blast)and I prefer it to the C5's.I think more C6 Zo6's are on the road now as Dealers are catching up with their orders.I have heard that the C6's overall initially had some build quality problems.I think they are like any GM product.Some of the units are built properly and some are Lemons.Hence I moved over to FORD.
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So what do you guys think it would take to smoke a C6 vette, without going the forced induction route? I think it should be our civic duty as mustang enthusiasts to aspire to be the top dog in the struggle for american muscle dominance. ( sorry if that was too much-gettin a little lit!)
It would take an awful lot to beat one. To smoke one would be impossible without some type of power adder I believe. I honestly think it would take about 500+ horsepower and complete suspension overhaul to beat the coupe and about 600+hp with the suspension to beat the Z06. We would basically have to build a Corvette(a car that sits low, has top of the line suspension and has a lot of meat for traction). The reason for so much power is because of the weight difference AND the way those things hook compared to ours. If we added the power to beat one, the suspension and traction issues would surface. In other words, order your crate engine and suspension upgrades now.
I only disagree with some of your guesses on numbers. Before I went down for the rebuild, I was putting down 526 rwhp on the stock motor with a vortech h/o kit at 14 psi. I WALKED all 4 of the new Z06's I raced at the track. Traction was always THEIR problem, not mine. The actually pulled hard after 3rd gear, but the race was over at the 60'. They have a HARD time getting traction off the line - even with DR's. Of course my car is/was built to hook like mad but it didn't take much to get it that way.
I'm happy to be wrong in this case. I've always heard that vettes hook better than our stangs stock. We have to put more power to the ground to make up for the weight difference, yet we don't have the suspension that they have.
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chevykiller, dude, how in the h#ll do you pull off launches like that? (sorry for off topic post). that's unreal.
i ain't putting down power like you (i'm supposedly ~470rwhp) but I got drag radials and enough power to get a decent launch but I STILL can't get below 2 sec 60'. how fuggin embarrassing.
are you on slicks or dr's in that video? what are your rpms at launch? did you heat 'em up before--in the water or dry?
sorry for all q's, I'm just convinced launch is THE most important thing at the strip and I just ain't gettin it.
03 Corvette C5 "no mods" What would I have to do in upgrades to hang with or beat without overkill. Anyone in or around Weston, Fl wanting to settle the score with cocky friend of mine?
I live in Ca, so not sure on when we'll meet.
Thanks
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these 2 cars arent even in the same class. We have a muscle car and the vette is a sports car. i mean my brother has a c6 and it is a totally different style of a car
I totally agree, and wouldn't trade for anything. Love this car, and think it looks alot better. Just getting tired of his ****, and he can't seem to understand the difference in price,weight, and hp.
Just out of curiosity, how safe is the Zex Mustang GT Nitrious System ?
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"2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 4.2 12.5" (professionally Driven) Got that offline.... I have beaten 2 of them already and you can see what my basic mods are in my signature.....There nice but Mustangs can still take them if you do the right things...
"2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 4.2 12.5" (professionally Driven) Got that offline.... I have beaten 2 of them already and you can see what my basic mods are in my signature.....There nice but Mustangs can still take them if you do the right things...
Way to go man!! keep up the good work!! now this is what i'm talking about...
I'm amazed that no one posted any official 1/4 times for the C6 (so far)..
FACT: C6 1/4: 12.7sec (Car & Driver)
FACT: Mustang GT 1/4: 13.5sec (Motor Trend)
FACT: Many GTs can clock high 12s N/A with a few bolt-ons
FACT: Mustangs are well known for there traction and drag racin ability for decades, they are built for that.
FACT: Corvettes are best known as supercars (there price were and still 40k and above) they are built for (Autobahn high speed driving), this is why magazines always put them in comparisons with 911 Porsches.
Just remember, the guys like me driving the C6 who will play are modded most of the time. My CAI and Long tubes/high flow cats stock exhust( sleeper) really surprises modded cars. But they are not set up for the 1/4 mile, traction is limited- but from a roll, we got ya. I wouldn't give up taking corners at about 1g (so much fun) to run the 1/4 mile faster. I just try to race from the roll. On my way to carlisle tonight for this weekends show.. The GT will be sitting home.
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