Ok Tonight Im racing a bonestock 2004 Honda S2000. Were racing for $200. Who do u think will win. My 92 LX has C&L tru flo intake pipe, and 76mm mass air, 65mm throttle body, long tubes, no cats, mac cat back, 3:73's king cobra clutch, tremmec 3550. I think I should take them easily. They have a very short power band and I dont think this kid can drive.

Them....if you have those mods and he said he's "stock" but still wants to race you for $, you're in for an ass beating.

Disclaimer: may be dumbass ricer, but they usually won't run for that much $.

they are supposed to be high 13 second cars, but a friend of a friend brought his new s2000 to the track the other day and in 4 runs the best he could muster was a 14.4

your gonna own his ass if you can drive

ORIGINAL: 95LT1

Them....if you have those mods and he said he's "stock" but still wants to race you for $, you're in for an ass beating.

Disclaimer: may be dumbass ricer, but they usually won't run for that much $.


on that note - you never know now :D nothing like alittle anticipation racing over $$$

prolly just a cocky tard though

The car is bone stock he just got it and is a cocky asshole. Every1 hates him. He talked **** about my car when he had a bone stock 4cyl Accord finally i smoked his ass on camera by 20 lenths. I can drive and Im pretty sure I can take him. I heard they can only run good with an amazing driver.

If he just bought it he may not have the launch technique down yet. The new s2000 does have a broader power band but bogging it shouldn't be that hard and give you an easy win unless your planning to ran over 100 mph. Have you ever ran your car at the track? If so what has it ran?

Joe

Never had it at the track but I have beaten sum nice cars in my time. A few 99+ Gt's, A worked Turbo Golf, Hung in there with a modified lightning.. THe kid is a terrible driver and Were goin from a roll..I think I will easily take him

from a roll its gonna be tougher! If you roll it hes gonna be in his powerband from the start, and your gonna have a tough race

But with this idoit I gaurentee hes gonna be in the wrong gear lol.. Its tough to race from a stop around here. A funny story with this kid. One night we were out in his 4cyl accord racing my other friends 4cyl corrola. He was gettin beat. I said ill show u how to shift this piece of ****. I won lol. He cant drive and especially the kid racing is not the owner. Hes jut puttin up the cash so the owner said he could drive. The driver is a joke. The driver is the one with the accord the s2000 owner is one of his best friends

Well go whup some bootay, I know punks like that who think they are all fast and can whup up on any V8 just cause they have an S2000. So far I havent seen one run better than a 14.5. I really hope your car can run better than that. Either way, head out there and see if he coughs up the $$$. Usually they dont.

Make sure you come and tell us what happend!!!!

I defiantly want to know!!!

Talking about cocky ricers. I had a kid run me for 120 bones. The sad part was, he drove a ESCORT. I felt bad taking the poor bastards money.......

Yes, tell us how you did. BTW you should have ran him from a stop. You have to rev those things to 7k+ to get anything out of them.

ORIGINAL: 95LT1

Them....if you have those mods and he said he's "stock" but still wants to race you for $, you're in for an ass beating.

Disclaimer: may be dumbass ricer, but they usually won't run for that much $.


Uh.... Ricers don't normally buy a 30,000+ dollar sport compact and then race for money....


back to the topic:

I think he'll get ya, 5.0 LXs are quick, but not mid to low 14s.

Edit: I saw that he said it was an 04 model, they have a 2.2 I4 with about 170 somethin ft lbs torque now, along with a lower rpm powerband to work with. I really don't think you have much of a chance. However I could be wrong and he could suck. Soooo.... it all depends on how you two shift.

ORIGINAL: Monty

Make sure you come and tell us what happend!!!!

I defiantly want to know!!!

Talking about cocky ricers. I had a kid run me for 120 bones. The sad part was, he drove a ESCORT. I felt bad taking the poor bastards money.......


Bah. Escorts can be fast. A guy in florida ran an 11.22 on his stock axles with 545 hp. :D:D

ORIGINAL: 2000Si

ORIGINAL: Monty

Make sure you come and tell us what happend!!!!

I defiantly want to know!!!

Talking about cocky ricers. I had a kid run me for 120 bones. The sad part was, he drove a ESCORT. I felt bad taking the poor bastards money.......


Bah. Escorts can be fast. A guy in florida ran an 11.22 on his stock axles with 545 hp. :D:D

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!.....You dont understand.........I almost died laughing when i saw his car....like a late 80's model.

He sure could talk though...... he had me worreid!!!!!! Untill a sec after we said go!

i think he will take u off the start and then u will put a good 4 cars at the end win so go out their and take his money... good luck

Money Is Stollen... It was rape... We went from a 20 roll i was in 2nd gear. He beeped it out and jumped on me.. at the End of second we were even...power shifter to 3rd put a car on him and pulled 2 cars in 3rd. power shifted to 4th pulled another 2 and it was over. Got my money and the race on camera...He was Demoralized

ORIGINAL: 94cobrachris

i think he will take u off the start and then u will put a good 4 cars at the end win so go out their and take his money... good luck


You think a stock S2000 power plant has more torque to beat a modded 5.0 off the line?

I don't know, i've barely seen an S2k launch, especially an 04 model....but I do know they're mid to low 14s and I don't know of those mods have his LX 5.0 into the low 14s yet.

id def. say my car is atleast low 14's. 2900lbs, long tube headers, no cats, mac cat back, intake, throttle body, mass air, 3:73's and pro-5.0

eh. Instead of speculating...go to the track and run it. Because I honestly don't know.

ORIGINAL: 2000Si

ORIGINAL: 95LT1
Disclaimer: may be dumbass ricer, but they usually won't run for that much $.


Uh.... Ricers don't normally buy a 30,000+ dollar sport compact and then race for money....


ORIGINAL: 92 StangBang

Money Is Stollen... It was rape... We went from a 20 roll i was in 2nd gear. He beeped it out and jumped on me.. at the End of second we were even...power shifter to 3rd put a car on him and pulled 2 cars in 3rd. power shifted to 4th pulled another 2 and it was over. Got my money and the race on camera...He was Demoralized



This one does.

2900 lbs 3.73's and a 5 speed with a really near stock 5.0 equals and honest 13.9 if you can get it moving to the tune of a 2.0 60 ft. Trust me I have seen it.

ya thats what I think. With Slicks faster and i will get it to the track. I forgot its got a custom burned chip from mustang magic...opppsss

I really think you've got a 13 second car

I think 2000Si should go to his little ricer boards and stop comming here with all the info that he reads on the internet...not from any experiance.

ORIGINAL: 92 StangBang

I think 2000Si should go to his little ricer boards and stop comming here with all the info that he reads on the internet...not from any experiance.


Experience? You said...

ORIGINAL: 92 StangBang
We went from a 20 roll i was in 2nd gear. He beeped it out and jumped on me.. at the End of second we were even...power shifter to 3rd put a car on him and pulled 2 cars in 3rd. power shifted to 4th pulled another 2 and it was over. Got my money and the race on camera...He was Demoralized


He jumped on you? Yet you pulled on him by over 4 cars? Until I see the Video I'm not going to believe you.

From a stop I could see it as the S2K takes a PRO driver to get it's full potential.

They run 14 flat in the 1/4 mile but from a roll they aren't a joke. The worst part of a S2K in the 1/4 is the launch. From around 2nd/3rd they aren't a joke though.

Unless the driver couldn't drive for **** I call BS on this. Not saying it isn't possible however until I see proof I am holding the BS flag.

I raced a few S2K's in my time. Even raced a Vortech SCed one. I know and have seen what they're capable of.

I could be wrong and he could have been a ****ty driver but this story isn't the most believable to me.

ORIGINAL: 92 StangBang

I think 2000Si should go to his little ricer boards and stop comming here with all the info that he reads on the internet...not from any experiance.

Ok you want my personal experience?

Two years ago I personally watched a 93 5.0 LX with slightly more done to you get ass rapped pretty badly by an S2000 with nothing more than exhaust and cams. Since then that 5.0 was totalled and I haven't seen the S2000 around anymore either. but thats my personal experience.

Now onto your other statement. "ricer" board, you're the idiot kid, who street races by the way, that is coming on the internet to see if you can beat a "ricer" car instead of going to the fugging track to figure out what the hell you run so that YOU can actually have some legal experience.

Whats so wrong with reading things off the internet? So if I say I saw a 3000GT pull on a Trans Am it can't happen because I didn't personally see it with my own two eyes in person? Please. what happens is what happens. Hell, why should I believe any of your stories you've told in this thread? This is on the internet...and unlike you, I don't believe everything I read.

LOL 2000si is correct. You shouldnt street race but it is fun i gotta admit . But at the same time though 2000si Dude you gotta stop thinking Fox body mustangs cant run low 14 stock. My GT 91 runs 14.6 STOCK . To the tires with a 90k or better engine and a wore out 2nd gear and i shift like a old lady with a spin in 1st and 2nd. And my LX seems even quckier to me cause it is so light. I know some mustangs dont even hit 15s cause i have seen it at the track myself,but alot of it does deal with driver and gears. Like my 91 has 3.08 stock .Im not busting on ya cause i think ur aight but serious most mustang runs somewhere in the 14s and even some break into the high 13s. Especially the LX. MY LX weights 2860 and any mods i do it to it will mean fast results. I think the kid might of beaten this dude but who cares really lol.. Just good reading and i dont take what i read to serious. And i bet if he does weight 2900 pounds then his LX would probally run high 13s with his mods. hehehe but who knows.

2000Si said that 5.0LXs are quick, but not low 14 cars???!!
Total BS, with the mods he has he should easily be able to break 14s. You are correct in saying that it really depends on how the two drive, but to say that its a sure win for the S2k is rediculous. If it was a machine driving each car the same, my 200$ is on the stang, and not just because I'm bias, I like S2Ks a lot, but in this match up, the heavier car with more power just might edge out the lighter higher revving import.

We went from a 20 roll i was in 2nd gear. He beeped it out and jumped on me.. at the End of second we were even...power shifter to 3rd put a car on him and pulled 2 cars in 3rd. power shifted to 4th pulled another 2 and it was over.

"You think a stock S2000 power plant has more torque to beat a modded 5.0 off the line?"


see just like i said he jumped off the start,pulled 2 cars in third and 2 in 4th so i think that ads up to 4 just what the results were just what i predicted never said it had more torque,just its a light car makes up for its torque lossbut it was still another win for the stangs good work ....are u splitting the cash with us .... lol jk good job

stinger: 14.6 IS NOT low 14s...

95: With the mods he has, 14s are possible, yes. I'm not denying that, but there is a BIG difference in running a 14.3 over running a 14.8.

Edit for 95 also: I'd like to see this guys dyno sheets, because last I knew 5.0s had 225 hp and 300 ft lbs torque. The S2k has him beat on HP (240) and weight, but it's also light on the torque (170ish). I know the 04 S2k got a 2.2 with slightly higher torque over the 00-03 models, (which have 240 hp/169 ft lbs) but I'm too lazy to go to honda.com and actually look exactly how much torque it got.

Now before you go calling the motor a torqueless wonder just realize that the horsepower output is insanely high because of the rpms and compression ratio. If it put out 180 hp and 169 ft lbs it would look quite a bit more normal.

Still, nothing beats an American V8 for torque production... I cannot, and will not argue that point.

I told you this kid couldnt drive. S2k's need a good driver with skill to pull the numbers you are talking about. This is an idiot kid with no clue about cars. But I really wasnt impressed with the car. Im sure with the right driver its fast but i did get him by 4 cars. And Ive seen cars with less mods than mine run 13's so I beleive my car is an easy 13 second car. Gears alone are worth about .5 second on there own.

The redline on the S2K is nearly 9000 rpm, isnt it? Yes it makes 240 hp but at a high RPM and only for a short amount of time. The way a 5.0 can stomp its butt is because the 225 it makes is closer to 4500 rpm, it stays there longer making the engine work more in each gear. If you dont keep that Honda in its tight narrow powerband, you will get spanked. Its all about shift points, weight, and not doing anything stupid with the Honda. Still they need alot of perfection to get low 14's.

In a 14-15 second race 4 car lengths isnt that much time. A second would be about the most difference you can get. I am very confident he can and did beat the S2K. I dont need a video, I feel those cars are over rated and for normal people they are slow but pretty.

00-03 S2ks redline at 9000 rpm

04-up S2ks redline at 8000 rpm

An 04 S2k has a tighter powerband and he will be in that power band sooner than you think.

these conversations wouldnt take place if people just went and goot timeslips. how would it sound if someone said...

can my 15.1 second stock 88 gt beat this "riced out" 14.5 second civic? get some numbers...benchracing=suck.

Mysterious def. knows what hes talkin about lol. I did spank that thing by 4 car lenths. That thing is like a dam 2 stroke on the pipe with that powerband, its like an on-off switch

ORIGINAL: 92 StangBang

Mysterious def. knows what hes talkin about lol. I did spank that thing by 4 car lenths. That thing is like a dam 2 stroke on the pipe with that powerband, its like an on-off switch



You're a import hater I can tell.

I still say BS on the 4 car lengths.

Yes it takes a pro driver to get the max performance of those cars HOWEVER it doesn't take an idiot to race from a roll.

ORIGINAL: 2000Si

00-03 S2ks redline at 9000 rpm

04-up S2ks redline at 8000 rpm

An 04 S2k has a tighter powerband and he will be in that power band sooner than you think.


A friends of mine's neighbor has an 04 s2000, he has an aftermarket midpipe and catback and I was at the track with him (by chance) and watched him make about 5 runs - his best was a 14.6 - not that good considering he just dropped like 600 bucks on it. Most of his runs were in the high 14's. I don't think hes that good of a driver - but who knows. Just FYI

If the kid had any common sense he would of challenge you to a autocross or open track contest, and used his S2k to it full advantage. It always ends up being 1/4 mile times that seem to be the end all of car wars. I have a stock 5.0 ragtop with gears best time was 14:30's at 97 and I know I would not want a S2k behind me on a curvy road.

i beleave u beat him bye 4 car lenghs thats just what i said u would do good kill.. man

ORIGINAL: 92 StangBang

I told you this kid couldnt drive. S2k's need a good driver with skill to pull the numbers you are talking about. This is an idiot kid with no clue about cars. But I really wasnt impressed with the car. Im sure with the right driver its fast but i did get him by 4 cars. And Ive seen cars with less mods than mine run 13's so I beleive my car is an easy 13 second car. Gears alone are worth about .5 second on there own.


Gears are not worth .5 seconds on a stock or nearly stock 5.0.

Why dont you just post the vid? End all of the speculation and namecalling.

ORIGINAL: jpc

If the kid had any common sense he would of challenge you to a autocross or open track contest, and used his S2k to it full advantage. It always ends up being 1/4 mile times that seem to be the end all of car wars. I have a stock 5.0 ragtop with gears best time was 14:30's at 97 and I know I would not want a S2k behind me on a curvy road.


I like this guy. he's made the most important point within these 3 pages of BS and speculation.

The S2k IS NOT A DRAG CAR. It's meant to take on Other roadsters like the 350Z drop top, BMW Z roadster, etc. It's got a near perfect 50/50 weight distribution and will own the corners.

I really just want to see em post the vid

I want this guy to go to a dyno, get a few pulls in, post the slip... then go to the track, post that vid along with a timeslip.

and then race this guy at the track instead of out on the street where you don't know if you're actually running a 1/4.

The S2K is a car that is basically tuned as far as it will go unless FI is added.

I remember a test where we put on a Comptech Intake etc and actually LOST horsepower. Mind you Comptech makes some excellent stuff.

There's a Vortech SCed S2K here that I am sure would be willing to race you for 200$ since he must be a ricer too because he owns an import. :)

ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m

The S2K is a car that is basically tuned as far as it will go unless FI is added.

I remember a test where we put on a Comptech Intake etc and actually LOST horsepower. Mind you Comptech makes some excellent stuff.

There's a Vortech SCed S2K here that I am sure would be willing to race you for 200$ since he must be a ricer too because he owns an import. :)



I would hook up with him in SC when I get back later this year. hehe. Ricer or not, after my tour of kuwait City I will be willing to run nearly anyone...lol.

ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m

The S2K is a car that is basically tuned as far as it will go unless FI is added.

I remember a test where we put on a Comptech Intake etc and actually LOST horsepower. Mind you Comptech makes some excellent stuff.

There's a Vortech SCed S2K here that I am sure would be willing to race you for 200$ since he must be a ricer too because he owns an import. :)


I read something like that on Hondaswap as well. Someone actually did a test on Honda spark plug wires vs (can't remember the name, but a very reputable company) wires, and the spark actually burned the fuel cleaner and hotter on the stock wires, with 80k miles on them or so.... this is vs brand new wires from the other company.

Ok on the video.. ITs on my regular camcorder..not digital. It takes a plain video tape. And when I take it to the track ill show u..

yay.

Well...I am just going to throw my 2 cents in.

2004 Honda S2000
2.2L I-4
240HP 162TQ
2835 Pounds

2004 Honda Accord V6
3.0L V6
240HP 212TQ
3285 Pounds

In my car (04 V6 Accord), stock, I ran a 14.4. I raced an S2000 stock vs stock, and it raped me, smaller engine, lighter car, much higher redline. This same guy went, and ran a 13.7 in his stock at the track I go to. I got in it and pulled a 13.8 as well. So probably it's that the guy that was cocky that wanted to race you just thought he was all badass, got nervous, and toasted himself. If it was me driving that S2000, I'd be starting in first gear at 20, not second gear.

So I highly doubt that stock for stock, S2000 vs 92 5.0 LX, that the Mustang would beat him unless the S2k shifted way early or just didn't know what he's doing. Just my two cents for it.

13.7 stock..hmmmm sounds a little iffy..and stock for stock I beleive an s2k would win. But not with my mods.

That's awesome. So we're supposed to believe your story, yet you don't believe his? Stunning.

What difference does it make if the vid camera is digital or not? Just motion capture it. Somebody you know has to have a vid card that can do it.

Actually all that is needed is an adapter to input from Camera to PC. Doesn't actually have to be "Digital". I sell electronics and **** (Well used to about a couple months ago) and that's one thing people always asked was if they could take their VHS tapes etc and convert them onto PC.

92StangBang.....of course stock for stock he'd win. And you say with your mods you doubt he'd win, well no kidding, mods do that to cars, they make them faster. So yeah, if you got the mods and are pushing mid 13's, and the best you can push out of an S2k is 13.7, then ya 13.5 > 13.7. But stock for stock he'd tool you.

ORIGINAL: 2000Si

That's awesome. So we're supposed to believe your story, yet you don't believe his? Stunning.



DO NOT TAKE MY "STUNNING" WORD DAMMIT! haha jplay.

200SI...U possibly drive the slowest car here. Yet u have more to say than any1 else. I will look into putting it on i think i have a friend that can do it. And i know stock for stock he would win but even stoner said im pushin mid 13's....

I wonder where the 13 sec slip came from with an Accord. Must be some sort of happy track or tail wind. I wont say he didnt run it, but I have yet to see an Accord run that good, or even near the 14's. So whatever ya did to it, cool.

ORIGINAL: 92 StangBang

200SI...U possibly drive the slowest car here. Yet u have more to say than any1 else. I will look into putting it on i think i have a friend that can do it. And i know stock for stock he would win but even stoner said im pushin mid 13's....


um ok, who gives a **** about how slow my ride is? That is nowhere near the point of this topic. If you're going to sit there and diss on the S2000, then get off your lazy ass and go run it, then post the video of you whopping his ass.

Im not dissing the s2k just saying my car is faster. Im not saying it a bad car. For what it is its a pretty amazing car.

But you have NO clue if your car is faster or not, isn't that what this whole thread is about?

Go to the track and find out for sure before you possibly make inaccurate statements such as that.

Hold on a minute, 92StangBang, I didn't say you ARE or WERE pushing 13.5, I'm just giving a comparison.

And by the way, you guys have never seen a 13 or 14 second Accord? Odd...there are lots of them around, especially with the new generation V6's. Doesn't take too many mods to get the new Accord V6's down to 13 seconds. Slap a comptech S/C on my car and I'll be mid-low 13's probably. The only problem I have with my car, soon I'll have too much power for FWD, even right now on most roads if I WOT in first gear, my tires start spinning.

lol If I wot in 1st or 2nd gear I'll destroy my tires and Ive got dr's

and just what do you mean by "not many" mods to get an accord into the 13's. lol not many other than a supercharger or nitrous. typical bolt-ons wont do it

ORIGINAL: stoner

Doesn't take too many mods to get the new Accord V6's down to 13 seconds. Slap a comptech S/C on my car and I'll be mid-low 13's probably.


Haha, I should put that in my sig.

Nope havent seen any 13 sec accords, but then I dont live in South California where I guess the 4 cylinders all run tens or nines...

ORIGINAL: stoner

Well...I am just going to throw my 2 cents in.

2004 Honda S2000
2.2L I-4
240HP 162TQ
2835 Pounds

2004 Honda Accord V6
3.0L V6
240HP 212TQ
3285 Pounds

In my car (04 V6 Accord), stock, I ran a 14.4. I raced an S2000 stock vs stock, and it raped me, smaller engine, lighter car, much higher redline. This same guy went, and ran a 13.7 in his stock at the track I go to. I got in it and pulled a 13.8 as well. So probably it's that the guy that was cocky that wanted to race you just thought he was all badass, got nervous, and toasted himself. If it was me driving that S2000, I'd be starting in first gear at 20, not second gear.

So I highly doubt that stock for stock, S2000 vs 92 5.0 LX, that the Mustang would beat him unless the S2k shifted way early or just didn't know what he's doing. Just my two cents for it.


Your $.02? This from the kid that said he put 8-9 car lengths on an 03 GT 5-speed...

You're the last guy that ANYONE should be listening to. Even the guys on your Honda forum were making fun of you. I'm still not buying that you ran a 14.4 stock. Considering a 2004 Acura TL with 270 HP, and 238 pound-feet of torque on tap, runs a meger 14.78 @ 94.40. Pretty much the same car as the Accord isn't it? Yet has more power?


I got in it and pulled a 13.8

Since we're all magazine racing here...Motor Trend says that the '04 S2000 "1/4 mile, sec @ mph 14.19 @ 99.90 " (The newer more powerful one right?) You got in this guys car that you've never driven before, completely stock, and ran a 13.8? Almost a full 4 tenths of a second faster than Motor Trend did, (Who had a couple of weeks to play with it) your first run. With a slower less powerful '03.

Wow, you really are a good driver. I'm going to keep looking for what they say the Accord runs. I've got a crisp new $20 that says it starts with a 15.XXXXX.

"With a five-speed automatic sending power to its front wheels, the EX V-6 needed 7.0 seconds to reach 60 mph and covered the quarter-mile in 15.5 seconds at 92 mph."

Oh Son...

OH SNAP

TEll ya what, I have a mildly built 3900lb 70 GTO that has run a best of 13.50@105, if your Accord can hang with it or any Accord that is stock or even slightly modded, then I will believe you. Just stop in to SAMS CLUB in North Charleston SC on the first or third saturday night about6 pm and we can go find out. OK? BTW that was with 2.93 gears, it has 3.42's now so it might be quicker..

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7011&page_number=1

They also enhance performance. With a five-speed automatic sending power to its front wheels, the EX V-6 four-door needed 7.0 seconds to reach 60 mph and covered the quarter-mile in 15.5 seconds at 92 mph. The six-speed two-door hit 60 in 5.9 seconds and hustled through the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds at 98 mph. Although the coupe did weigh 140 pounds less than the sedan, that's still a pretty strong testimonial for the efficiencies of a standard transmission. We should also add that the Accord manages to deliver the engine's substantial output to the drive wheels with only the barest hint of torque steer.

8th paragraph down. I have the 04 V6 6 speed coupe, not 4 door auto sedan. Speaking of which, another guy on V6performance.net runs a 14.5 in his auto sedan with just CAI as well. So...next time you post something from C&D, make sure you copy the right track times for the right car.

Also, that wasn't my first time driving or running that car. Second time on the track with it, and we swap cars sometimes just to drive something different.

I bet at one time it would have been fun testing cars for C&D.....now look what they have to do.

Whats really sad about the way C&D test cars is they a "standard" launch they use for all cars i.e. bring the rpms up to say 2500 and dump the clutch. What happens when they do this with a Viper? Big smoke show and a slow time. Now try it with a 00 GT stang we all know that the car might bog. They never slip the clutch, or roll into the gas like a "good" driver will. They say it the only fair way to compare cars. I think the actuall details are printed in the back of the magazine. This is why I NEVER trust the times from magzines like C&G, MotorTrend, they really can't drive for ****.

Well it dont matter the kid said he spanked the Honda so that is over. But what isnt over is i wanna see some film on a stock honda running 13 anything? And i dont mean a S/C or Nitro i mean a legit off the show room floor 13s. Im sure the mags has these time slips but i wanna see some real world runs with Joe Nobody running at the track. Last night i seen a Bmw 325 spitting out 15.5s but no where have i ever seen a Honda run 13s STOCK. Does anyone have film of this? Im not discing honda owners ,im just new to the Honda power house cars. So please honda owners leave a link so i can check this out. I have seen a Nissan hit 12s with some juice but would be cool to see a 13 sec honda. thanks Stinger--->:D Oh P.S. ill even settel for 14s.

I would like to see any Honda other than an S2K run a 14 stone stock. I just havent seen it, and substantial power is less than 250hp? Sounds like some guy trying to make the car sound better than it is.

A "balanced car" means it doesnt have enough power to turn the tires over and it takes corners okay. Meaning its medeocre in every respect. ie "Balanced" I perfer cars from the BFI Institute of Technology. BRUTE FORCE AND IGNORANCE!!! lol...

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

I would like to see any Honda other than an S2K run a 14 stone stock. I just havent seen it, and substantial power is less than 250hp? Sounds like some guy trying to make the car sound better than it is.

A "balanced car" means it doesnt have enough power to turn the tires over and it takes corners okay. Meaning its medeocre in every respect. ie "Balanced" I perfer cars from the BFI Institute of Technology. BRUTE FORCE AND IGNORANCE!!! lol...


Any Honda other than the S2k? ok the NSX runs mid to high 13s stone stock. C30 3.0 V6, 276 hp 6 sp manual.

"Substantial Power less than 250 hp" I agree, that is pretty substantial coming from a 2.0L Inline 4 powerplant, what isn't substantial is the 260 massive ponies ford squeezes out of the 281 cubic inches of V8 in the GTs.

Long straight gears, powerband is from 3000-7000rpm on the V6. Like 2000Si said, 260HP from a V8 vs 240HP from a V6, or the S2000 with 240HP from an I-4 F/I. Yeah, they are getting stronger and faster, sure maybe they are faster than 13.5 right now, but they are getting there, especially with spoon (which I hate). Well....there is a video of me running a 14.5 vs an RSX-S. He got me off the line, but I beat him by .15 seconds. He took out his passenger seat and spare, I didn't take anything about but my sub box (75.5lbs) and I had a passenger, but only weighs 140. So it kinda slowed me down with the weight.
http://pictures.forthacks.com/rsxvsv6accord.wmv

That was in 70F degree weather + 75% humidity (Florida). And yes, I sound like a retard in the video, but I was stoned (bad mix, racing + weed).

wow...i actually wasted like 15 ****in minutes reading this whole worthless thread?


anywho...i would think an S2000 would be hella fun to drive, and the way i would launch those bitches is just to rev it up to right before vtec kicks in and ease off the clutch and it would take off like nobody would expect. or not...but it works with mine before the boost comes in real hard (4kish). g'day all.

(i figured why not post something worthless...everyone else is, not to mention i think im entitled to that after taking so god damn long to read the whole pointless thing)

ORIGINAL: stoner

Long straight gears, powerband is from 3000-7000rpm on the V6. Like 2000Si said, 260HP from a V8 vs 240HP from a V6, or the S2000 with 240HP from an I-4 F/I.

I hope you mean Fuel Injection because the S2k 2.0 (now 2.2 motor) is 240 hp... N/A.

Er, meant to say non-F/I.

Anyways, C&D said 14.5 for my car, I got a 14.4 stock out of it. So if that's still unbelieveable, even after the video of having a passenger running a 14.5 against an RSX-S, then I don't know what else there is to show that my car can run low 14's nearly stock.

Ah **** it, its not even worth arguing.

Si, dont ya remember I am used to slightly different cars? Like an LS1 is a small underpowered car, untill you add a few things of course. Anyway, I havent seen an NSX run that good yet, most owners are posers. Well anyway its moot cause I wont be seeing any Honda run anything, unless its around the 7th Ring in Kuwait City... If I see them racing again, I will get some pics for ya, they are nuts!

Good luck over there man, are you already over?

My brother in law is going back to Afghan for a year....we had an impromptu going away party tonight. I'm a miss him. Be careful over there.

I've goota chime in a little... First of all yes the S2000 has a whopping 240hp to the GT's 260, but GT's are more of a torque monster than a high revving I4 with little torque, HP is only half the equation TQ is equally as important Ford could easily have made the GT have 302 hp and 260 ft/lb with a redline around 7K but that's not what they did is it, all they would have had to do is reverse the bore & Stroke. And I have a hard time comparing a 90k+ car to any ford but the 05 Ford GT which would absolutely humiliate the NSX, wow 90K for mid 13s... c'mon guys sound it out O-V-E-R-P-R-I-C-E-D. Accords are what most would call PEPPY not fast by any means. BTW 2000Si your usual arguement is that honda's cost less so therefore can be modded with the additional money one would save from buying a Mustang GT... What is the base price on a V-6 accord?
$28254 is what I got for a new Accord comparably equiped to my 03 GT.
I paid $24100 before rebate which brought it to 21100 and Base price for an S2K is 33300 I could have my GT running circles around that thing with an extra 12K to spend. *Drool* Bottom line is all cars have something that makes them unique and sought after... to each his own, I could think of about 10 other cars to buy rather than an S2K for roughly the same price ie. 350Z, STI, EVO, Used C5 vette, M3, TT Supra, COBRA, Mach 1 and so on and so forth but like I said to each his own.

BTW Ferrari gets 400hp out of a 3.8L V8...

I'm going to agree with ShadowG03. I was going to Purchace a SRT_4 which is quicker than any honda produced except for the Acura NSX. Instead I purchased a 2003 GT brand new at 18600 dollars. Which beat the srt-4 price by 3000 dollars. The SRT-4 will beat anything in it's price range is what they publish. Not really as long as Ford has rebates we rule. Oh by the way a 8995 cavilier will run neck and neck with si,svt focus,and many other sports compacts in the quartermile. It gets the ecotech 140 hp motor which will turn mid 15's stock. no contest. As for reliablity my friend has a 2001 cavilier and 2001 3.2 TL. He's on his third transmission on his TL and no problems with his cavileir(which has more miles due to service to the TL).

Joe
2003 Gt

People still buy new cars? Jus kiddin. Not in Kuwait yet Si. Soon. I prefer to buy an old POS and drop a huge engine in it and go waaaay fast for way cheap! like tens for less than $10K, When I get back I will post slips and a price list of what everything cost. Cant see losing money on a new car, just cant see it...

ORIGINAL: ShadowG03

Accords are what most would call PEPPY not fast by any means. BTW 2000Si your usual arguement is that honda's cost less so therefore can be modded with the additional money one would save from buying a Mustang GT... What is the base price on a V-6 accord?
$28254 is what I got for a new Accord comparably equiped to my 03 GT.
I paid $24100 before rebate which brought it to 21100 and Base price for an S2K is 33300 I could have my GT running circles around that thing with an extra 12K to spend. *Drool* Bottom line is all cars have something that makes them unique and sought after... to each his own, I could think of about 10 other cars to buy rather than an S2K for roughly the same price ie. 350Z, STI, EVO, Used C5 vette, M3, TT Supra, COBRA, Mach 1 and so on and so forth but like I said to each his own.


Um.... yeah... exactly why are you comparing a 4 door FWD family sedan with a 2 door RWD pony car anyway? Apples and oranges. You said it yourself, the bottom line is all cars haveh something that makes them unique. People don't want Accords so they can have a RWD V8 to do donuts in parking lots with.

and with the money you save on a GT over an S2k, yeah you will have it running circles around the S2k, but (if I haven't said this before) the S2k isn't a drag car. Stock for stock the S2k will outhandle the GT in every aspect. That is what it was designed to do. You say you bought your GT used or got a rebate or whatever, well have you thought that not everyone buys brand new S2ks... you can pick up a 2000 model for probably around 20k right now easy, so there goes your cost analysis right out the window.

I guess my point is, if you're going to compare cars... compare cars that are meant to be compared...

S2k - Beemer Z3
Mustang GT/SVT - Camaro Z28/SS
Z06 - SRT10

Damn when you were saying not to compare GT's and S2k's. I thought you were gonna say something like. "A S2k is a hoe getter.....and a GT's NOT!"

That could explain the extra 12k;)

No I compared the accord 2 door V6 to my GT and I totally agree the S2K isn't a drag car but I meant if I put the extra cash into my GT suspension I could run "Circles" around the S2K and you can also pick up a used 99 GT for around 10K roughly. I like the S2K but to tell you the truth, the only people I've seen who have them are middle aged yuppie dudes who think there gonna pull some college skirt with it or mid thirties women who think its cute. But what I was trying to say was that you can always use the cost analysis unless you're talking about the exact same car... and don't BS 2000si you have used the cost thing before. If you're talking about price range comparisons here we go.

SVT-350Z-S2K-STi-EVO-SS-WS6----- vette etc.
GT-Z28-Accord-Intergra type R etc

Class 350Z drop top-S2K-Z3- Mazda speed Miata which is damn close to an s2k.

I always thought the s2000 was a chick car...

cars meant to be compared? Everything is comparable as long as it runs and has 4 wheels! I can compare a stock civic to John Force's Funny car, one is really fast and the other doesnt make enuff power to spin the blower. I can compare apples and oranges, what law says I cant? I like oranges cause the peel comes off and they are soft enuff for me to eat with my dentures at my advanced age!

Why not compare whatever lines up with me to my car? Just cause one of my cars can suck the headlights out of a stock Cobra doesnt mean you cant compare them, its like my car is faster but doesnt have AC PS PB or swaybars. Hell it cant even defrost the windshield. So it isnt what car you compare, it what you want from the car that matters, right?

Well i agree with Si No Honda is a Drag Car just wish the Ricers would wake up to this and take off those annoying coffee cans. The Honda S2000s i think fall in more with sports cars then with the muscle cars of america. Im sure its fun to get some more hp out of a honda and i bet alot of guys do but so what there are 10 more mustangs in its wake.Im glad you pointed those facts out 2000si.Thats what puts you above most car guys. Good point!

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

cars meant to be compared? Everything is comparable as long as it runs and has 4 wheels! I can compare a stock civic to John Force's Funny car, one is really fast and the other doesnt make enuff power to spin the blower. I can compare apples and oranges, what law says I cant? I like oranges cause the peel comes off and they are soft enuff for me to eat with my dentures at my advanced age!

Why not compare whatever lines up with me to my car? Just cause one of my cars can suck the headlights out of a stock Cobra doesnt mean you cant compare them, its like my car is faster but doesnt have AC PS PB or swaybars. Hell it cant even defrost the windshield. So it isnt what car you compare, it what you want from the car that matters, right?


Ok then. heh...in SCC like 2 years ago they compared the 2000 Cobra R and the 2000 Lotus Elise with a 195 hp Integra Type R motor in it.

The Elise whipped the Cobra in cornering... braking...accelerating...and on the track. Too bad with the swap they cost about the same... roughly 55 grand.

Lotus is now using a toyota motor. Light weight is why the car is why it's so fast. I don't trust s2000 anyway because of honda be notorious for weak drivetrains. torque in those cars = disaster. Why trust a car with 40,000 miles and 3 years old anyway too. When you can buy one new is only way to go on a car like that unless you can really find it cheep and leave room for repairs. That goes for any cars. Like some one said before it's better to have built your own race car and just drive new one around to have something to drive. I have a 340 TA motor in a valient that once finished could easily run circles around any new car under 40,000 dollars. s2000 is not a drag car and never ment to be. It's free reving little powerhouse just like a Formula car that just deserves a good track but often never the case because people don't have the resources.
Joe

ORIGINAL: GT03

I don't trust s2000 anyway because of honda be notorious for weak drivetrains. torque in those cars = disaster.

I don't know where you heard that from, but where ever it was, I wouldn't trust them anymore.

Hondas are notorious for bad drive trains. It is their weak link. First off as an engineer I decided to make this clear. Naming some cars with bad drive trains. Dodge stealth, 3000 Gt vr4 the drive train were not capabile of matching it's torque load. 5000-7000 rpm clutch drops equal disaster in a transmission first off. Honda was alway notorious of bad drive trains. Late 80 hondas tranny problems. New 3.5 liter motors in the MDX and Pilot and other hondas have been recalled. The 3.2 TL lacks oil opening for cooling in the transmission that has caused my friend to be on his third transmission in a 2001 3.2 tl. I heard of drive train drop in s2000. I believe the rear end was weak link on the first version of s2000. This was also a problem on mid 90's F body camaros and firebirds. Parts were design in cars to withstand only certain amount of abuse. Some companys will not spend the extra money to make a more sturdy transmission so someone goes into a car and fools around with what the car was only capabile of being design to withstand. These are stock parts. These were made to be as affortably cars as possible.

Joe

I've seen guys with builds running 10s on a turbo honda with no tranny problems, I've seen turbo RSX-S's pull on S2ks with no problems.

SUV drivetrains fine, but not many people add power to those. The only problem with my drivetrain is sometimes the shifter acts up.

I'm not agaist Honda. I just know there is issues that all car companies face. AOD ford transmission isn't best transmission in the world. Hondas are reliable but stress and fitig takes effect on metals. It's just the nature of the beast. I wouldn't want to make my car 11 second car without knowing the consequences. It's just like playing a subwoofer. Say It's taken abuse of 125 db for 2 hours at a time for one week. If this speaker is at full excursion it's only going to be good up till heat allows that weaken coil to open up. This is true on all machines. People take a new car and modify a motor without takening into account that other parts that make the car run will also be affected. Cooling, clutch, suspension, and list goes on. I'd buy Honda and be happy with it. I buy a used one and find the best possible drivetrain possible and have a good old time not worring so much I'm going to tear up a half shaft. Just stock they're fun cars.

Joe

Well, Honda cars are getting more beefy, that is a proven fact. And I like how you guys say you've never seen a stock Honda in the 13s or 14s alone. Most people with the same car as mine (AV6 6 speed) are getting mid 14's stock. I'm going to the track Friday, but I know it's not going to be a good night since it'll probably be humid and hot, but I don't have much better to do.

Sure S2000 and the new Accords aren't meant to be drag cars, while the Camaro and Mustang were. And the biggest reason I bought an Accord over a Mustang, is due to the fact that here in Orlando, everybody and their twin brother has a Mustang or 5 sitting in the driveway. Plus the looks of the new AV6 is what really got me to looking, plus it's not "slow" but it isn't fast. But what sucks about these J30A4 engines, you can't change the headers out, hence making turbo hard to install unless it's custom (gay)... But supercharger is still in the question.

Also on another post on page 4, I like how someone said that I was wrong in saying it doesn't take much to get the new Accord into the 13s at the track. Well if 14.4 I ran stock, 14.2 with CAI, I can't wait to get the Borla J-Pipe, exhaust, and UD pulleys. With those three extra things, I'm thinking I'll be in the high 13s, what do you think? I would have more mods done to my car, but since this is the second year my car has been around (this engine anyways), there aren't many mods available yet. Hondata isn't even going to release a chip for the V6's for a long time (possibly never?). But the new JDM Accords (Japan) are AWD with a beefier engine. I can't wait for those to come over here.

On the side of Mustangs, one of the colocation people here (I work at an ISP) has a NICE Saleen. He's up here 3-4 times a week, so maybe tomorrow he'll be up here so I can snap some pictures for you guys, he's running 10.7 at the track on street tires. Anybody know what they run stock? I'm not sure of the year, but it looks pretty brand spankin' new. I'll get a list of mods when he gets done.

I believe your car would hit 13 second quartermile with a good set of drag radials. Post your mph sometime . I know FWD isn't right set up for drag racing since the weight is transfered away from the drive axles. I had a car call a Dodge spirit RT and this car would probably out run my mustang on the highway. When I ran it stock it was running 96 mph. I open up the exhaust and added about 4 psi of boost. The boost bleed cost me 9 dollars because I made an adjustable pressure relief valve out of parts from grainger. Since it was a 2 bar map sensor it would only allow boost to 14.7 psi. Gains were suppost to be in the 50 hp range. Kind of slick for under 300 dollars. Good luck into the thirteens.

Joe

Im not trying to be a punk or pain but if you have video of a stock honda running these 14 or 15s i would like to see them and please dont download somemodded out si or vtec just a stock hondas with street tires. Or give me a link and ill go check it out i just wanna see one thanks. :D

I want to actually watch one totaly stock run faster than a 10.0 in the 1/8 mile. I havent seen it yet from anything short of the S2K. I didnt say you were wrong, I mean if your car runs that great. Nice. okay cool. I havent seen it yet, thats all. If you have a bunch of parts on it, then its not stock either, lol... Just so ya know, nothing I drive is stock anymore, and hasnt been for some time.....

My friend recorded me when I was stock, it's on his camera and I'll have him upload me the video sometime.
The video I linked previously, was just with CAI, ran a 14.5 with passenger, subs, and 3/4 tank gas, and spare/tools. Wasn't planning on going to the track that night.

GT03, stock 14.468 @ 96.85. CAI 14.235 @ 98.97. I would do slicks but the tranny will rip apart probably. I'm going to buy some new tires once these stock ones are dead (10,800 miles on the car as of this morning). I drive hard on them, so they probably won't make it past 17,000.

On the 14.235 run, my 1/8th was 9.211 @ 79.49.

Car # 0313

Stock 14.468 vs (unknown, don't remember).
r/t .516
60' 2.233
330 6.180
1/8 9.394
mph 76.79
1000 12.140
1/4 14.468
mph 96.85

CAI 14.235 vs Friend's POS Eagle something (slow)
r/t .677
60' 2.203
330 6.088
1/8 9.211
mph 79.49
1000 11.938
1/4 14.235
mph 98.97

CAI 14.259 vs 95 Integra GSR
r/t .438 (we both jumped, he had a .261)
60' 2.188
330 6.080
1/8 9.244
mph 78.03
1000 11.954
1/4 14.259
mph 97.63

I'll post a link to video's soon and try to scan these slips. Not sure if we have a scanner at work. If I can consistantly get in the 2.1 60's, I might be able to hit 14.1 as is in cold weather. Pointless to go to the track for a few months due to heat and humidity. I'll be doing exhaust and J-Pipe very soon, but won't go to the track until after it cools off (November probably). Plus I need motor mounts soon, wheelhop is insane on the track due to the pro-traction stuff they prep the track with, it has a negative result on my launches (as it probably does with most other FWD).

ORIGINAL: Stinger

Im not trying to be a punk or pain but if you have video of a stock honda running these 14 or 15s i would like to see them and please dont download somemodded out si or vtec just a stock hondas with street tires. Or give me a link and ill go check it out i just wanna see one thanks. :D


How about a stock 94 GSR with just a ricer muffler on it? I wonder if GSRGuy has seen this, he runs a 14.93.

2000Si, did you see the post about my friend with the 95 GSR with just CAI running 14.6? I'll see if I can find his timeslip.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=132558

He didn't scan it, but there it is. 14.697@93.51 bald tires, nothing taken out but spare, and CAI only.

I wanted a GSR...then I found the Si. Close e-friggin-nuff for me.