hows it going guys? i was just wondering what kind of mods i could do that cost 300 or less to my car...i already have the AFE intake in mind and i wanna get a Magnaflow thats describes on my sig....so could u guys give me some tips on what else i could do? oh, and is that exhaust i have in mind a good pick for my car or is there something better? and whats the difference between axleback and catback when referring to an exhaust?

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

hows it going guys? i was just wondering what kind of mods i could do that cost 300 or less to my car...i already have the AFE intake in mind and i wanna get a Magnaflow thats describes on my sig....so could u guys give me some tips on what else i could do? oh, and is that exhaust i have in mind a good pick for my car or is there something better? and whats the difference between axleback and catback when referring to an exhaust?


Welcome! I have an MRT Axleback exhaust that I love. Go here to listen to other members v6 sound clips http://www.mustangforums.com/m_1183819/tm.htm

exhaust axle back is exaclty what it says, its a muffler replacement from your axle back..

a catback system, is from your catalytic converters back

ORIGINAL: toosober


ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

hows it going guys? i was just wondering what kind of mods i could do that cost 300 or less to my car...i already have the AFE intake in mind and i wanna get a Magnaflow thats describes on my sig....so could u guys give me some tips on what else i could do? oh, and is that exhaust i have in mind a good pick for my car or is there something better? and whats the difference between axleback and catback when referring to an exhaust?


Welcome! I have an MRT Axleback exhaust that I love. Go here to listen to other members v6 sound clips http://www.mustangforums.com/m_1183819/tm.htm






wow, that sounds really nice...so then i should go with the axleback right guys?

If you are looking for under $300, u may have to go with just axleback, but that keeps your existing Y-pipe which is restrictive...if you got true duals with an x or h-pipe, then you may get better sound but you will have to cut your rear bumper or get a GT takeoff to replace your existing...all in all that will cost more than $300, but you maybe more happier with the results! Ride around your town and talk to your local muffler shops...you may be able to get duals and all work done for $300...mine cost $456 out the door, for true Super 40's with H-pipe (see my sig)

I would save the $300 until you have nearly 600 and get a Tuner/CAI combo from one of the following:

-Evolution
-Bamachips (offers both C&L or TI, I was happy with my TI when I had it)
-Alternative Auto
-Brenspeed

You will be amazed at the difference after this upgrade. Trust me.

ok, well...between the exhaust and the intake...what should i get first?

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I would save the $300 until you have nearly 600 and get a Tuner/CAI combo from one of the following:

-Evolution
-Bamachips (offers both C&L or TI, I was happy with my TI when I had it)
-Alternative Auto
-Brenspeed

You will be amazed at the difference after this upgrade. Trust me.

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ok, well...between the exhaust and the intake...what should i get first?


I would get the exhaust, a MRT or nice single axle back. I wouldn't get a CAI unless you get a tuner with some tunes bundled with it.

+1....get the exhaust, I don't think you get much of an HP gain, but u do get a nice sound & look !
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ok, well...between the exhaust and the intake...what should i get first?


I would get the exhaust, a MRT or nice single axle back. I wouldn't get a CAI unless you get a tuner with some tunes bundled with it.

ok, sounds good. so what are some small mods that wont take much out of my pocket that i can do to gain some hp and torque?

ORIGINAL: ricanpassion

+1....get the exhaust, I don't think you get much of an HP gain, but u do get a nice sound & look !
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ok, well...between the exhaust and the intake...what should i get first?


I would get the exhaust, a MRT or nice single axle back. I wouldn't get a CAI unless you get a tuner with some tunes bundled with it.




He will probably get 7 to 10 HP gain on the exhaust, depending on which one he gets.

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ok, well...between the exhaust and the intake...what should i get first?



ah, the age-old question... i think it comes down to what's more important to you.

i agree with rygen about the exhaust/tuner combo. i went with the C&L CAI and the SCT XCal2 from Bamachips for $650. It makes a very noticeable difference in performance and allows you to tweak the computer to your liking (things like speed/rev limiters, fuel octane level, tire size, etc.) even the best exhaust system is going to give you only a few more ponies at the rear wheels, but the CAI/tuner combo is a boost you can really feel. the other benefit is that this upgrade is easy to install yourself.

then again, getting a nice rumble is a big priority in my book as well. going axleback is quicker, easier, and cheaper, but like ricanpassion said, you'll still have the restrictive y-pipe. i went with catback duals (with an h-pipe) because i just had to have the symmetry of two stainless tips sticking out of the back... it is a big project, though, i gotta say, especially because you have to cut your bumper or buy a GT takeoff.

all in all, if you want the most performance for your money, save up for a tuner/CAI combo. if you want a simple, cheap upgrade that will give you a little performance boost and help your pony sound more like classic american muscle (and you like the single-exhaust look), get an axleback exhaust.

good luck!
-Tim

I do have to point out I went from a Y pipe dual kit to an X pipe. I did a before and after dyno comparrison and the gain was 2HP, which is arguable on a dynojet dyno. So for NA, duals are more a look/sound preference in my opinion. On FI, that is a whole other story. Either way, exhaust mods are in the must have category for a stang in my book, single or dual.

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ok, sounds good. so what are some small mods that wont take much out of my pocket that i can do to gain some hp and torque?


$40 K&N drop-in air filter. You'll notice a marginal increase in performance and it goes well with a single exhaust, and doesn't require a tune. And it's probably among the cheapest meaningful mods you can do. Not to mention, instead of waiting by the mailbox for days, you can go to Murray's or Auto Zone, or whatever they have by you, and pick it up right there, and drop it in right in the lot. :)

u guys help out a lot. thanks, this is my first mustang and im proud to say its mine cuz im paying for it. now i was wondering about what my ANGEL can do? i get **** and made fun of cuz its not a gt...and i dont care, i love my car no matter what. i know that the v6 are kinda in the gt's shadow but i was wondering how the mustang v6 compares to all other compact sports cars....would it still have an advantage being a mustang anyways? i just wanna know what kind of cars i CAN and CAN'T take being a stock 2005 V6.

Our cars, with CAI/Tuner, a good tune, LSD, gears, good tires, lcas can break into the 14's on the 1/4 mile with a good driver. Take that, and compare it to this list to see how it stacks up to the competition:

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

The new six is a respectable performer at the track.

Well said...so V6MustangKnight keep your head up & proud...and with time & some TLC you have your sixer acting, sounding & looking and maybe beating up on V8's!
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

Our cars, with CAI/Tuner, a good tune, LSD, gears, good tires, lcas can break into the 14's on the 1/4 mile with a good driver. Take that, and compare it to this list to see how it stacks up to the competition:

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

The new six is a respectable performer at the track.

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight
would it still have an advantage being a mustang anyways?


Performance aside, that's a question that answers itself. :D

Exhaust, Tuner and CAI, LSD and gears, $1200 (at least). Beating some dumb**** that just laughed at your V6 by two lengths. Priceless.

thanks alot peeps! :D i appreciate all the little help u guys gave me on my car :) oh! and i think tomorrow i'm getting my exhaust mod! woohoo!! things gonna sound bomb! :D

ORIGINAL: ricanpassion

+1....get the exhaust, I don't think you get much of an HP gain, but u do get a nice sound & look !




Its been proven that there is as much or almost as much whp gain from a single exhaust vs. duals. It's not the y pipe, or the piping at all, that's restrictive, it's the muffler itself. Duals do look great, but doing duals is more for the "look" on the 6 unless you go turbo.

ok, i wasnt planning on going dual anyways....i wanna prove that a single exhaust looks just as good;)

AMEN Brother!
ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ok, i wasnt planning on going dual anyways....i wanna prove that a single exhaust looks just as good;)

so now i am curious about places where i can just mess around and run a 1/4 mile without getting in trouble, but im not sure where those kind of places are around Orange County, California

Heres a website that can tell you a couple of dragstrips in california.

http://www.gtoalley.com/drag.html

that sounds pretty cool, but im still not sure how it works... can i race my own car? just curious about how i would to about testing my car on the track...can anyone explain how i would do that?

Yeah you just have to go when theres an open day, like street drags night or something and you can run your car I think its like $15. Just go to your local tracks website and they should have information, if not just call them.

ok great. thanks :D so does anyone know what's the most power i can get out of a V6 with mods?
ORIGINAL: Justin_R

Yeah you just have to go when theres an open day, like street drags night or something and you can run your car I think its like $15. Just go to your local tracks website and they should have information, if not just call them.

CAI, Exhaust and tuner, roughly 30 RWHP. RPM outlet says their pulley system adds 16 RWHP. Supercharger is the best way to go. You'll be pulling around 300 RWHP with a SC or TC.

so then after all that i should be able to beat a stock GT? :)

No a stock Gt is running about 250+RWHP stock. So when you get there or higher than you can probably take down a Gt but until then stick with eating ricers and older Gts. :)

i thought GTs were at 300? i'm lost, why would it be 250?

GT's are around 300 flywheel horsepower but RWHP which means horsepower to the rear wheels is around 250+, V6's are 210 to the flywheel and around 150-180 RWHP stock.

now i am depressed....:( haha, so then whats more important? flywheel horsies or rearwheel horsies?

What do you think? Rear wheel horsepower! LOL! Just messin with ya. But our stangs have a pretty good amount of torque for V6's

so when does the flywheel horsies important if all we really care about is the rearwheel horsies?

When dealers are trying to sell the cars. What sounds better 300 or 250? Steamline the driveline and you'll get more of the horsies to the wheels!!:)

what do u mean streamline the driveline? sorry, im slow when it comes to most car terms...

ORIGINAL: pat6674u

When dealers are trying to sell the cars. What sounds better 300 or 250? Steamline the driveline and you'll get more of the horsies to the wheels!!:)

Dont know? But I see your sig and it states that you definetely want to beat a Gt bad, in that case just save up some dough and get your self some type of F/I and youll be whooping not only stock Gts but lightly modified Gts.

You can get a Posi-trace Lok (Lsd), Pulleys, gears, a lighter drive shaft, lighter wheels. Do your best to lighten the car. Or you can increase the bhp by adding modifications to the engine, such as a CAI, new tune and exhaust. Powers-adders such as T/c or S/C axdd the most hp though

ok, now what exactly is a T/C or an S/C?

ORIGINAL: pat6674u

You can get a Posi-trace Lok (Lsd), Pulleys, gears, a lighter drive shaft, lighter wheels. Do your best to lighten the car. Or you can increase the bhp by adding modifications to the engine, such as a CAI, new tune and exhaust. Powers-adders such as T/c or S/C axdd the most hp though

Turbocharger and Supercharger.

oh, haha...ok, i feel stupid now....lol, i should have known that...i'm not a turbo kind of guy...i'd rather go with a supercharger :D unless there is no real difference between them?

I'm going to go with an axle-back exhaust as well. I hear all this talk about a "restrictive Y pipe"...I take it that is different from a "straight through" axleback exhaust? I saw a posting on magnaflow's site that said axleback typically sees higher performance gains than dual exhaust...is this the case for both Y-pipe and "straight-through" or are they the same? maybe I'm just totally confused here....help! :D

The Y is the shape of the exhaust tubing under the car. I think Rygen said they dynoed a true dual (H or X?) and there was like a 2 RWHP gain. Not much performance but plenty of sound when you change exhaust.

ORIGINAL: Tungsten

I'm going to go with an axle-back exhaust as well. I hear all this talk about a "restrictive Y pipe"...I take it that is different from a "straight through" axleback exhaust? I saw a posting on magnaflow's site that said axleback typically sees higher performance gains than dual exhaust...is this the case for both Y-pipe and "straight-through" or are they the same? maybe I'm just totally confused here....help! :D


well, i would think if the air is going straight back it would get air out faster...so i would think u could gain something there, but i dont know. i hear there is no real difference between dual or single exhaust so thats why i'm gonna stick to my single exhaust :)

I thought a Y-pipe was the pipe that took the exhaust from both manifolds-down - and combined the two pipes it into the one pipe to go to the muffler.

If you want to do the most for the least, start with a Drop-in K&N air filter, then put on the axle back exhaust.. I bet a pair of short headers would be cheaper than a cai & tuner, but the gains from all of those listed there will not be as high as the cai & tuner alone. If you plan on going the S/C route you can keep the headers. If you put on a turbo.. the headers are going to come off of the car. For me, that's waaaay down the line.

My first two, if any modifications will be a shorty antenna, and a drop in k&n... after the first of next year, I will probably do the axle back exhaust. I figure by then prices will come down.

As far as appearance modifications, I see some cool stripes, some smoked headlight lenses, a rear decklip blackout, and a chin spoiler in my future.

-pete

I think I see where my confusion was lying...I thought the Y pipe was the other way around, splitting into dual exhaust....DOH!

So let me see if I understand this correctly....

X-pipe = Dual exhaust
Y-Pipe = Stock Exhaust
H-Pip = ???

There's so many pieces for Exhaust it confuses the hell out of me. I want to stick with an axleback exhaust but I want it to be as efficient and performance oriented as possible. What would be the best setup?

Thanks for the help as always :D

~Mike

From what I understand from reading on here, it's going to be pretty much your decision, they will all give modest hp gains, but the sounds are all a little different for the axleback - there's a post at the top on here with sound clips of each exhaust setup - listen to them and get the one you like best.

H-pipe and X-pipe both are dual setups, just not true dual straight out the back exhaust systems, the pipe connects both exhaust pipes, otherwise you would have exhaust that sounded like you had a pissed off bumblebee under your hood.. The connection allows the six cyliders to kinda resonate, giving you the deeper sound, probably acutually ends up releasing some back pressure too, but I am not sure. I am guessing again, that the x or H is the shape of the pipe and how it connects to the exhaust pipes..

Ie. Y <---- 2 into one ..... X <--- two into two - where both exhaust pipes coming off the engine intersect with eachother --- H <---- pipe joining each side together.. I could be way off though.

ORIGINAL: pat6674u

The Y is the shape of the exhaust tubing under the car. I think Rygen said they dynoed a true dual (H or X?) and there was like a 2 RWHP gain. Not much performance but plenty of sound when you change exhaust.


I had my car dynoed before and after from a Y pipe configuration to a X, 2HP gain, which is arguable on a dyno (environment conditions, engine heat, etc.).

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

oh, haha...ok, i feel stupid now....lol, i should have known that...i'm not a turbo kind of guy...i'd rather go with a supercharger :D unless there is no real difference between them?


The power curve is different between the two, and then complicate that by comparing a centri SC (Vortech, Procharger) to a roots SC (Xcharger) and it can get confusing real quick. Roots SC make power at 2K rpm, so you feel it right off the line...sounds pretty sick!

If you want to beat a stock GT for cheap, Nitrous works, though it is not for everyone. I was beating stock and bolt on GT's (no suspension mods) at the track when I used to have it, in fact I havent lost to one yet. But there is no replacement for displacment, if a GT goes all out, we are toast.

Second most economical is a SC, cost less than a TC, generally makes power at higer RPM's, curve isn't as broad, but then just up the boost, throw in a nice IC and your kicking ass and taking names. You can get a SC without intercooler and match GT power.

For simplicity I think the Explorer express (xcharger) is the easiset to install, and has a proven reliability record. Here is a list of power adders that Jimp (a.k.a. BlackLX4.0) maintains on a regular basis for our cars:

http://american-speed.com/**********/forums/showthread.php?t=167

Hope this helps.

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ok great. thanks :D so does anyone know what's the most power i can get out of a V6 with mods?
ORIGINAL: Justin_R

Yeah you just have to go when theres an open day, like street drags night or something and you can run your car I think its like $15. Just go to your local tracks website and they should have information, if not just call them.




213rwhp is the highest I have seen on the manuals....or did someone post 215???? And that is close to what 04GT's put down stock with no mods.

ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

oh, haha...ok, i feel stupid now....lol, i should have known that...i'm not a turbo kind of guy...i'd rather go with a supercharger :D unless there is no real difference between them?


The power curve is different between the two, and then complicate that by comparing a centri SC (Vortech, Procharger) to a roots SC (Xcharger) and it can get confusing real quick. Roots SC make power at 2K rpm, so you feel it right off the line...sounds pretty sick!

If you want to beat a stock GT for cheap, Nitrous works, though it is not for everyone. I was beating stock and bolt on GT's (no suspension mods) at the track when I used to have it, in fact I havent lost to one yet. But there is no replacement for displacment, if a GT goes all out, we are toast.

Second most economical is a SC, cost less than a TC, generally makes power at higer RPM's, curve isn't as broad, but then just up the boost, throw in a nice IC and your kicking ass and taking names. You can get a SC without intercooler and match GT power.

For simplicity I think the Explorer express (xcharger) is the easiset to install, and has a proven reliability record. Here is a list of power adders that Jimp (a.k.a. BlackLX4.0) maintains on a regular basis for our cars:

http://american-speed.com/**********/forums/showthread.php?t=167

Hope this helps.




is it possible to use more then one of those on ur car??? or would it be too unstable and too harsh for my engine to handle?

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

oh, haha...ok, i feel stupid now....lol, i should have known that...i'm not a turbo kind of guy...i'd rather go with a supercharger :D unless there is no real difference between them?


The power curve is different between the two, and then complicate that by comparing a centri SC (Vortech, Procharger) to a roots SC (Xcharger) and it can get confusing real quick. Roots SC make power at 2K rpm, so you feel it right off the line...sounds pretty sick!

If you want to beat a stock GT for cheap, Nitrous works, though it is not for everyone. I was beating stock and bolt on GT's (no suspension mods) at the track when I used to have it, in fact I havent lost to one yet. But there is no replacement for displacment, if a GT goes all out, we are toast.

Second most economical is a SC, cost less than a TC, generally makes power at higer RPM's, curve isn't as broad, but then just up the boost, throw in a nice IC and your kicking ass and taking names. You can get a SC without intercooler and match GT power.

For simplicity I think the Explorer express (xcharger) is the easiset to install, and has a proven reliability record. Here is a list of power adders that Jimp (a.k.a. BlackLX4.0) maintains on a regular basis for our cars:

http://american-speed.com/**********/forums/showthread.php?t=167

Hope this helps.




is it possible to use more then one of those on ur car??? or would it be too unstable and too harsh for my engine to handle?


What, a turbo or nitrous. I have the first production Powerhouse Pipeline turbo for our cars installed. I had the Zex nitrous kit wtih racers kit prior.

yay! i'm getting my magnaflow tomorrow!! :) i'm happy! next.....CAI w/ tuner :D...well, thats if i can save up :(

Congrats on your first mod! You will really like it!

I just bought my mustang a little over a week ago. I owned a 94 V6 before but never had the money to really do anything to it. Now I have graduated college and I dont have a wife and kids to worry about or anything so this will be my baby and I plan on doing alot to her. I know a decent bit about cars and I would like to be seeing somewhere around 250-300 rwhp on a naturally aspirated V6 in about a year to a year and a half. I have a pretty good idea of what I want to do but I am just not sure about what is the best brands to go with and which ones have more HP gains over the competition. I want a deep Borla sounding duel exhaust but I havent found any sound clips for a V6 that really caught my ear. I REALLY liked the side exhaust on the bash performance GT that sombody posted on the V6 forum, but I just dont know how it would sound on the 4.0L. I am thinking duels with either an X or H pipe and cat forward headers will be my first step with a CAI and tuning to follow, but like I said I am just not sure on the brands. ANY advice would be appriciated!!!!

ORIGINAL: Justin_R

Congrats on your first mod! You will really like it!


i know!! and i put a K&N Drop-In Filter today! :D does that count as a mod? i know its not as good as an intake but its something...

oh! and the magnaflow mod on my sig...what will that do for me? anyone know what the performance stats it will do for my car?

ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

oh! and the magnaflow mod on my sig...what will that do for me? anyone know what the performance stats it will do for my car?


The Magnaflow should free up about 10 rwhp... the K&N drop-in might add 1 or 2... and, yeah... counts as a mod. It was my first mod too....oh, seems like so long ago... LOL!

ORIGINAL: hamidlmt


ORIGINAL: V6MustangKnight

oh! and the magnaflow mod on my sig...what will that do for me? anyone know what the performance stats it will do for my car?


The Magnaflow should free up about 10 rwhp... the K&N drop-in might add 1 or 2... and, yeah... counts as a mod. It was my first mod too....oh, seems like so long ago... LOL!



YES! I'm becoming a MOD junkie!!! WOOOOO:D

what would be another small mod under 300 that would give me some rwhp?

ok, so i was wondering since i have an automatic....i dont have advantages over manuals but the new cars let me shift but i hear its bad for them, is that true?