RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 12:12:03 PM
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Clu7ch
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Oh, great. Now we get to hear classic American muscle wind up like sewing machine with Yuban-can exhaust. Puhleaze!
Japan still can't compete with the big boys. Their miserable attempt to break into Top Fuel Funny cars illustrates this. So, instead people try to justify this by going after 40-50 year-old technology with the modern rice-age. That mentality is about as intelligent as comparing a Ford focus to a '68 Corolla. What's the point?
These Too Fast, Too Stupid films serve no purpose.
wow, i didn;t even notice the fartcannon hanging out back there! hey little guy, what are you doing hanging around witht he big boys? don't you know you're gonna get hurt?
there's an intrepid up the street from me with dual fart cans on it that looks cooler than that! the only exhaust this machine needs is 3 inch straight pipes. NO cats NO mufflers, attached to a massively ginormous V8 like a stroked 460 (whatever the final CI-ags would be on that!)
it's a shame enough you see them on the newer mustangs. i kinda feel like jumping off a bridge now. i dunno, maybe it's just me?
EDIT: the important thing is, above all else, it's still a MUSTANG!!!!!! and they can never take that away!
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so your so desperate for attention you follow someone from one forum to another. Talk about pathetic.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 12:27:10 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I am not a devotee of the Skyline, but the RB26Dett engine is 2.6 liter, dual overhead cam, 24 valve, twin turbo charged, and
intercooled producing 276 hp @ 6800rpm, capable of handling over 600 hp without
internal modifications. Can a ford engine produce over 600 hp without enternal mods? Nissan finally got the GTR to where it can be exported to the United States. It will be interesting to see whether or not it is the same GTR as they sell in Japan.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 12:50:50 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I am not a devotee of the Skyline, but the RB26Dett engine is 2.6 liter, dual overhead cam, 24 valve, twin turbo charged, and
intercooled producing 276 hp @ 6800rpm, capable of handling over 600 hp without
internal modifications. Can a ford engine produce over 600 hp without enternal mods? Nissan finally got the GTR to where it can be exported to the United States. It will be interesting to see whether or not it is the same GTR as they sell in Japan.
Look, Shelby built a 427 Cobra with twin intercoolers boasting over 800hp in the 60s. He gave that car to Bill Cosby (anyone remember the Coz' comedy bit on the Cobra?). How much HP would a twin turbo 4.6l Cobra engine produce?
What are the torque #s for that RB-thing? What is the cost? I can get more HP and torque out of my 289 than that hamste/wheel contraption and I don't have to mortage the homestead in the process.
Screw Nissan, Honda, and Toyota (I do own Honda's btw). I'lll take Ford muscle anyday.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:06:08 PM
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Oh, me too. I don't own any foreign cars.  The point is though, that for such a small engine, the Japanese have managed to produce a lot of horses from it.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:06:58 PM
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Hey Glen we had an engine like that too.. Buick 3.8L V6 in a GNX.. Anything will make more power by throwin more boost at it. The smaller it is, the more rpm it needs to make power. 276@6800 isnt that impressive, you will need alot of gear to get it moving because there isnt much torque down low. Thats the problem with the tiny engines, you need too much RPM to get the power out. High RPM causes wear and stress on every part in the engine. AN engine built to run 9000 rpm and make 500hp@9000 wont live as long as a 500hp engine that makes its peak at 5500. The lower rpm engine will also need less gear and be alot more tractable on the street.
If your car has to fit some race class with a ci limit, then sure build a small engine. If its on the street or grudge night at the drags, you better bring a big stick.
The mustang with the 6 could do the drifting crap, so they built one with a 430+ ci Windsor. It was built to go sideways so it wouldnt ET very well. The skyline engine was able to get it in the 13's.
Currently in the skunk works here, there are plans for an all aluminum V8 with 425cfm heads that will make 900- 1200hp on pump gas. Sure it wont get great mileage but that isnt the point. :)
My point is the kids who think these engines and cars are so impressive dont know much about cars, engines, and racing. Sure some guys want to go fast with a small engine or whatever, I can understand that because I like to go fast with Pontiacs and Clevelands when I could do it with a chevy like everyone else, I just prefer my engines over the chevy and anything from across the left pond. If these kids knew how easy it is to get power out of V8s and how cheap it really is, they woudnt be playin around with 2L hondas.
So thier cars are lighter, big deal. I am building a street car that will be around 2400-2600lbs and its gettin that aluminum engine I mentioned earlier. Can you say low 8's or high 7's? Sure the engine will cost me around $12k-$15k to build, but that is about how much that amount of HP will cost for any V8. The body will look stock, and it wont look like a race car. Its gonna be real close to the ultimate sleeper.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:11:08 PM
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Oh, me too. I don't own any foreign cars. The point is though, that for such a small engine, the Japanese have managed to produce a lot of horses from it.
FWD for most, and AWD for the skyline
i bet if they had RWD and ONLY RWD in all imports, it would be half the power
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:14:10 PM
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Huh? What does AWD or RWD have to do with the power of the engine?
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:17:46 PM
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The point is though, that for such a small engine, the Japanese have managed to produce a lot of horses from it.
Understood. But why all the hubbub over a 2.6 turbo? Honda makes the 2.0l S2000 engine - normally aspirated - producing 240 hp / 153 ft·lb of torque at 7,500 rpm.
As noted, there is squat for torque in any of these cars. Try getting off the line in that rice-fed '67 Mustang against a 289 2v.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:20:20 PM
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Huh? What does AWD or RWD have to do with the power of the engine?
i thought since the power doesnt have to travel as far to the rear, FWD cars get mroe power with a smaller engine then do RWD get with a smaller engine. i heard this somewhere or i mightve dreamt it
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:25:01 PM
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Huh? What does AWD or RWD have to do with the power of the engine?
i thought since the power doesnt have to travel as far to the rear, FWD cars get mroe power with a smaller engine then do RWD get with a smaller engine. i heard this somewhere or i mightve dreamt it
The Gtr is a rear wheel drive car until the front drive is needed. They have 293 torque lb. ft. at 4400 RPM and go 0-60 in 5.2 seconds. They are quick.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:28:29 PM
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The Gtr is a rear wheel drive car until the front drive is needed. They have 293 torque lb. ft. at 4400 RPM and go 0-60 in 5.2 seconds. They are quick.
i stand corrected then
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:28:37 PM
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Huh? What does AWD or RWD have to do with the power of the engine?
i thought since the power doesnt have to travel as far to the rear, FWD cars get mroe power with a smaller engine then do RWD get with a smaller engine. i heard this somewhere or i mightve dreamt it
slight improvements are achieved by FWD, but on low hp vehicles such as these, it does make a difference. The biggest gain they get in performance is the light weight of all the parts that move. If they dont have to handle torque, they can be built much lighter. Its also why high HP hondas need new halfshafts and they waste transmissions regularly. They are always broke it seems. I dont mind alittle more heft if I dont have to rebuild it every week, month or year.
The drivetrain doesnt affect the engines output, only what the wheels see.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:31:00 PM
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Well I have always blamed this series of movies for the increase in street racing. This line of films has preaty much killed the scene for street racing, cops now are harsher, kids are getting killed trying to drag race in thier moms ford escort. Now we are going to have people trying to drift in honda's and lets not forget about mom's escort lol. so like the first movie that killed the cool street racing scene, this third movie is going to kill the drifting scene.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:48:34 PM
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well we can hope it kills the drifting scene.. Who in their right minds would want to make a car handle worse and slide around? I mean do they think they have a sprint car or something? WORLD OF OUTLAWS HONDA!.. yeah right.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 1:49:58 PM
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I miss the charger in the first one :( And the Chevelle and Camaro in the 2nd one. lol i'll just go watch bullit.
It was actually a camaro and a cuda, not a chevelle.
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 7:00:56 PM
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Clu7ch
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I miss the charger in the first one :( And the Chevelle and Camaro in the 2nd one. lol i'll just go watch bullit.
It was actually a camaro and a cuda, not a chevelle.
i thought it was a challenger, nope forget that. i just remembered the hood, it was a "hemi" cuda
and Glen, as per them bringing the japanese skyline over here, nope. it's getting the same motor as the G35 (which is technically the "american" skyline), but twin turbo'd and will look like ass compared to the rest of them, unless they have changed the concept. here's the pic they have been throwing around.
this is the bodystyle that actually looks cool
[image]http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.motorcities.com/media/image/640/05F7N060203070D/1999-Nissan-Skyline-GTR34-D.jpeg[/image]
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RE: Fast and furious tokyo drift - 6/14/2006 10:53:04 PM
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Actually it was a Challenger, just modified a little. Remember that scene where Paul says " we can't beat these guys strait up." he mentions it's a challenger
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