How about some posts from people who could have bought G35s but bought mustangs instead???
a little background on me so everyone knows where i am coming from. i graduated college 2 years ago. got a damn good job and finally traded in my '01 Jeep Wrangler(that was a very loyal vehicle for me since i was 18) on a '06 Mustang GT Convertible. My family owns some of the nicest cars i have ever been in, including Mercedes, Porsche and the fastest AND most luxurious being the new Maserati Quattroporte. So i know luxury. My GT cost about the same as a G35 like fu**head up there said. I looked at them. I like them. Id buy my girlfriend one. But i wanted a MUSCLE CAR!!!! Not an import tuner.
Heres my thoughts on the matter. the 300hp V8 in my car is at its HP floor. i mean, the damn thing gets 25mpg doing 80 on the highway - its not working very hard. Your V6, on the other hand, IS working hard to get that SAME 300hp. sooo... engine wise, which would you rather own? Ford built these engines to be modded - thats why they sent out mustangs to all the performance houses before they were released. So Ford built us a decently quick, very efficient 300hp engine that if we wanted modd into a beast, we could. Can you say the same about your G35s engine? i think not.
And to be honest there is an option i would like in my mustang that to my knowledge isnt available - a navigation system. But thats it, that is the ONLY thing that a G35 has over my vehicle, IMO.
anyone else notice that the guys who are calling us poor STUPID white trash cant spell worth a damn? oops
still waiting on what those dum**sses drive too. the fact they wont claim anything just SCREAMS im 15, i drive my moms maxima to school every morning. lol
all joking aside - the G35s are nice cars. Sexy even. I can afford one, but i CHOSE my Mustang. Because its an american muscle car. And until i have $125,000 to throw at my daily driver - im going to stick with my mustang thanks.
that is all
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They are trying to compare v-8 muscle to import v-6. Just to set the record straight this weekend i called up my uncle Mark(the architech) who drives 6/speed G-35 coupe and my good friend josh who runs a 2005 350z we went out to the mile long strip behind my fathers shop and lined them up. Here is some background info on the drivers, My uncle used to race on a semi pro level, my buddy josh is an avid drag racer (1000hp Supra). I ran my uncles g- 35 from a stop not a roll. Beat the car by 3 car lengths at least. Raced my friend josh's Z next and what was the outcome you ask?? Same DAMN THING!!! My friend thinks you guys are idiots for thinking your stock G or Z couls beat a GT!!! My uncle says the same!!! Do i hate the cars HELL NO i almost bought a Z when i sold my Turbo SER SPEC-V which BTW will blow our cars away!!!! But my dream car was a Mustang so SUCK MY BALLZ!!!!
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They are trying to compare v-8 muscle to import v-6. Just to set the record straight this weekend i called up my uncle Mark(the architech) who drives 6/speed G-35 coupe and my good friend josh who runs a 2005 350z we went out to the mile long strip behind my fathers shop and lined them up. Here is some background info on the drivers, My uncle used to race on a semi pro level, my buddy josh is an avid drag racer (1000hp Supra). I ran my uncles g- 35 from a stop not a roll. Beat the car by 3 car lengths at least. Raced my friend josh's Z next and what was the outcome you ask?? Same DAMN THING!!! My friend thinks you guys are idiots for thinking your stock G or Z couls beat a GT!!! My uncle says the same!!! Do i hate the cars HELL NO i almost bought a Z when i sold my Turbo SER SPEC-V which BTW will blow our cars away!!!! But my dream car was a Mustang so SUCK MY BALLZ!!!!
Stock 5.0 will put down 425-450rwhp with turbo kit for another $4,500
get a clue before you start mouthing off.
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You guys are too funny. If you knew the things that people say about you in other forums. You are pretty much laughed at on every forum I go to.
The Mustang has always been know to be the poor man's muscle car. No imagination, no class, no quality. You get a bunch of horsepower with a P.O.S. interior so that Ford can keep the price down. Can't corner worth a damn. You'd het left by and G or Z driver in autocross.
It's funny that you're so excited about beating a stock G with your modded GT. Meanwhile, the G driver can't hear you laugh over his bose stereo system and is too busy playing with his navigation to bother to notice you drive off in your BDU's.
It's commonly known that Mustangs are praised by hicks and G.I.'s that can't afford there domestic P.O.S. payment to begin with.
Have fun with your sup'd up Escorts and I hope you don't run in to a modded G or even a stock G with a driver that knows what he's doing
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haha sheesh. why ever bother comparing the two or talking about whos faster? The G35 and the Ford Mustang are two very different cars in two very different classes.
The mustang was built to have a big cheap engine with lots of power for drag racing, stop light runs, and killer car crashes. You ever try to take it around a corner, the damn thing gets as much body roll as a fat lady on roller skates goin down a hill. Who the $hit cares if it can beat a G in a stop light dash when in reality the G35 is a better car in virutally every other aspect?
Built to handle, the G might be relitavly slower on the dash, but watch that ass slide around a corner on track days while you get left in the tire smoke...
dont make the mistake of comparing two cars in two different calibers, its like comparing water to wine.
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Let me break it down for you jdback19n since you doing most of the blabbering, and the rest of the baby stangers. First of all lets talk about the fact that you are excited about betting a G35. feels good doesn't it. Not often that you can say that you beat a real nissan skyline. WOW. There are toyota celicas with four cylinders doing 6 sec. So your very impressive. Be proud of yourself. You also talk about "I have an 06 msutang that has almost close power rating to a G, but I have four perforomance upgrades, and I'm winning." Your probably racing 5at's most of the time because they are more common, and if you haven't figured it out yet, when you add upgrades to a car it goes faster. That's really what happens. Now lets talk about the quality issue. Just because your car is faster does not mean that it is of better quality. If that was the case i would go buy an 85 ford escort make it run 8's. But does that mean that the escort is better quality than a BMW M5. Not likely. As far as g35's being a "overpriced slow poke." Once again if you are gauging cars by speed-price, then if i go and buy a 1990 honda civic for $800, and put $10,000 into it so that it is running 9 sec, does that make it better quality than your car. Its faster. It must be made better. Just wait till your piece of **** breaks down, the enginge needs replaced at 110,000 and your value goes down by 50% in 3 years. Have you actually raced your car outside of dragging or straight line? Because in races a straight away is only one section of the race course. The rest of the course actually involves turns. Are you still there or did introducing turns just give you a migraine. Stock vs. stock, the G35 would woop the **** out of a mustang on any course. How the hell is a flat nose considered aerodynamic? Thats amazing. It's almost as bad as the Chargers. And the G would also beat a mustang on straights. Granted that the mustang has slighty faster times on speed 0-60 and quarter their full spectrum is garbage. The mustangs are designed now to develope 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. Thats all that ford was concerned about. thats so that they can get idiots like you to buy them. Once the mustangs get over about 80 or 90 they can just call it quits. Its like all performance shuts down and the car tells you thats all it has. There garbage. They're not race cars by far. Not even sports cars. Maybe you can call them performance straight line, but only for a short distance vehicles. Why is it that you think that fords dont flourish any where else in the world. Because they are PIECES OF ****. Nissan is probably the best selling car company in the WORLD. Or is it Honda, or Toyota? Anyway its not ford. Thats because poeple of the world want quality cars like Nissan. And only stupid americans like yourself would buy a ford mustang. But anyone with highere than a third grade reading level would buy the G35 over the mustang. Thats the reason why you see khaki wearing, mouisterized hand, inteligant poeple driving them. The are smart and make a lot of money. How did they make that much money. By making wise decisions and investing in quality products and companies. Funny how the don't spend their money in the ford company. Or the mustang. Because we leave that car for the truely special poeple. That's you. So feel really proud of yourself for people that go to college to educate themselves make wise decisions and "DON'T CHOSSE A FORD MUSTANG" So you f__ked up with your car selection. Doesn't make you a bad person. Look at the bright sude, in a few years the might make a kit that you can drop a G35 body onto your mustang chassi. Like the lamborghini body fiero's. Feel free the post back and say thanks. I don't hate you.
HAHAHA that has to be the most retarded biased opinion/statement ive ever heard.....Why are you here ? Go away dude
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This is getting old... Both cars are very nice cars meant for 2 different things. Obviously when Nissian designed the G they didnt plan to match it up against the Mustang and the same goes vice versa. Obviously an import will never be cheaper than a domestic car why???? because it is imported. To find a import that is equally comparable to a domestic in every single aspect is impossible when it comes to price...and why does price matter anyways? Does ever person in the world buy a car based on the "bang for buck"? Yes if its more affordable than it's a plus but that is not the only reason why all of us buy the cars we buy. You're just plainly pointing out the point that some people have a different budget... you might as well make a thread comparing who has the most money because it's obvious to me that if I had the cash... I wouldn't own what I own and neither would half the people here. And another thing... it's silly to bring in information about cars that you don't have...fine you tested and compared two differen't cars yourself that's different, but reading about it on some website or magazine...come on man imagine how much longer this would make this thread if you bring up **** like that everytime you try to make a point. keep it simple and base it on your own experiences or on what you have because that is WHAT YOU HAVE. and you bought WHAT YOU HAVE for a reason and did what ever specific mod you did to your car for a reason. I'm not saying my route was the best bang for the buck...but it's rare imo to run into a realtively completely stock civic on the outside that is quick on the streets. I may not have a 7 sec 1/4 mile car but I'll toast 75% of the cars that I run into that try to even bother to race.
Let me break it down for you jdback19n since you doing most of the blabbering, and the rest of the baby stangers. First of all lets talk about the fact that you are excited about betting a G35. feels good doesn't it. Not often that you can say that you beat a real nissan skyline. WOW. There are toyota celicas with four cylinders doing 6 sec. So your very impressive. Be proud of yourself. You also talk about "I have an 06 msutang that has almost close power rating to a G, but I have four perforomance upgrades, and I'm winning." Your probably racing 5at's most of the time because they are more common, and if you haven't figured it out yet, when you add upgrades to a car it goes faster. That's really what happens.celicv Now lets talk about the quality issue. Just because your car is faster does not mean that it is of better quality. If that was the case i would go buy an 85 ford escort make it run 8's. But does that mean that the escort is better quality than a BMW M5. Not likely. As far as g35's being a "overpriced slow poke." Once again if you are gauging cars by speed-price, then if i go and buy a 1990 honda civic for $800, and put $10,000 into it so that it is running 9 sec, does that make it better quality than your car. Its faster. It must be made better. Just wait till your piece of **** breaks down, the enginge needs replaced at 110,000 and your value goes down by 50% in 3 years. Have you actually raced your car outside of dragging or straight line? Because in races a straight away is only one section of the race course. The rest of the course actually involves turns. Are you still there or did introducing turns just give you a migraine. Stock vs. stock, the G35 would woop the **** out of a mustang on any course. How the hell is a flat nose considered aerodynamic? Thats amazing. It's almost as bad as the Chargers. And the G would also beat a mustang on straights. Granted that the mustang has slighty faster times on speed 0-60 and quarter their full spectrum is garbage. The mustangs are designed now to develope 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. Thats all that ford was concerned about. thats so that they can get idiots like you to buy them. Once the mustangs get over about 80 or 90 they can just call it quits. Its like all performance shuts down and the car tells you thats all it has. There garbage. They're not race cars by far. Not even sports cars. Maybe you can call them performance straight line, but only for a short distance vehicles. Why is it that you think that fords dont flourish any where else in the world. Because they are PIECES OF ****. Nissan is probably the best selling car company in the WORLD. Or is it Honda, or Toyota? Anyway its not ford. Thats because poeple of the world want quality cars like Nissan. And only stupid americans like yourself would buy a ford mustang. But anyone with highere than a third grade reading level would buy the G35 over the mustang. Thats the reason why you see khaki wearing, mouisterized hand, inteligant poeple driving them. The are smart and make a lot of money. How did they make that much money. By making wise decisions and investing in quality products and companies. Funny how the don't spend their money in the ford company. Or the mustang. Because we leave that car for the truely special poeple. That's you. So feel really proud of yourself for people that go to college to educate themselves make wise decisions and "DON'T CHOSSE A FORD MUSTANG" So you f__ked up with your car selection. Doesn't make you a bad person. Look at the bright sude, in a few years the might make a kit that you can drop a G35 body onto your mustang chassi. Like the lamborghini body fiero's. Feel free the post back and say thanks. I don't hate you.
Actually, mustangkill, have you ever raced your car outside of dragging or a strait line?
personally I dont give a ****. We have drag cars, you have luxury cars. Unless you pay for my gas to drive down to socal to race on a track, youre not going to beat with your luxury car. seriously, where are you going to race outside a strait line?
You see, most of us here are average Americans. We wake up in the morning, get up, actually work for a living, then come home. We spend time with our friends and family. because we spend time with our friends and family, we don't have enough time to go on import forums and trash talk. and since we work for a living, we can actually own the cars we back up.
then you go to talk about quality. well first off, you get what you pay for. of course the G35 is better quality. Its more expensive. So whats your point? See we americans dont judge quality simply by the details of the interior, or how many neon lights we can stic on it. We actually look at other things like engine build and material quality. see, my car came with aluminum rims and its a GT. a 350z comes with alloy POS wheels. Dont get me started on what the cobra has in terms of material build. but thats because its more. Im glad youre finally being educated on how the standard of living and economics work.
then you go on about reliability.
Ok, my mom owns a 2004 530i. Shes had it for only 2 years and its alrealy had to go in more than my 2002 mustang, which Ive had for 2 years more. My dad owns a 2001 volvo c70. he hates it. Ive never seen a car need so much maintenance. My mom used to own a toyota avalon. There was a big problem with the suspension. It made so much noise and was so rough that she eventaully gave the car away. and you know what didn't need any maintenance? my 1986 F150. FORD built tough mother ****ER. Thats why I bought a mustang. I could have had anything else in my price range. but seriously, for people who dont go on forums all day backing up cars they dont have, the mustang is an ideal car for me. youre not going to convince me or anyone in my family that your Nissan is better in any way except for handling, and I dont really give a crap.
Ok ok, aerodynamics. HMMM... lets see. lets make a car fugly and aerodynamic so we can kill ourselves in high speed races on the freeway, or make a car beautiful and iconic. I guess its a matter of opinion, but the consumer statistics do say that the mustang is the prefered choice.
oh and you were making fun of us by saying "I have an 06 msutang that has almost close power rating to a G, but I have four perforomance upgrades, and I'm winning."
but at the same time you were saying how taking a 4 cylinder celica and getting it into the 9's, and that would prove how much better your "import efficient" engines are. doesnt that contradict the statement you just said?
i think you need to re-think your reasoning.
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ORIGINAL projectsleepalot: Obviously an import will never be cheaper than a domestic car why???? because it is imported.
that isnt totally true....that is a big reason foreign auto makers are building them in the States...to eliminate the taxes and shipping and such paid if they were made elsewhere.
this debate has at least for the moment calmed down a bit
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ORIGINAL projectsleepalot: You're just plainly pointing out the point that some people have a different budget... you might as well make a thread comparing who has the most money because it's obvious to me that if I had the cash... I wouldn't own what I own and neither would half the people here.
I have to disagree with this thread...
if i had any amount of money, that I was going to spend only on a car.. you can bet your life that it would be a Mustang of some sort...
i think that is a big difference between a Mustang/Camaro/TA/Corvette owner when compared to alot of import owners... alot of the import/tuner owners buy what they do because it is what they can afford after they go shopping around.....
i would bet that about 80-90% of the 'Stang owners on here have been in love with them since they were little. I know for sure that I have..while at the same time, I dont imagine there are a whole lot of kids or adults for that matter, that grow up dreaming of Civics, Evo's/Sti's, G35's and such...
i know this doesnt really pertain to the whole which is better argument, but i was just trying to put that forth since you said what you said..
(one more thing, 99% of your races are straight lines, so why brag about turning better?)
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Well mustangkill i never said i hate G-35's i have respect for all fast cars especially fast luxury cars. The only reason i started "Blabbering" is because you DIPSH$%s were saying i had a POS SLOW A$$ MUSTANG AND HIS STOCK G COULD BEAT ME!!! I never said i hated the car cause they are badass and as i previously stated i almost bought a 350Z but i bought a mustang instead because its my dream car since a kid is to be apart of the mustang legend!! And for you to stereotype people that drive mustangs as idiot rednecks with no college education then GO FU$% YOURSELF!!! I never said G-35 owners were snobby A$$ bitches did i?? I have a BA in RTV production so again LICK MY BALLZ!!! Your just some stupid A$$ kid that lives in his parents basement and jerks off to import tuner mags!!! And thinks he knows everything about imports and muscle cars and lives and breaths rice!!!! So instead of hating because you drive a CIVIC SI WITH A TURBONATOR show some respect for fast cars in general cause i do!!!
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thats what im talking about man. frankly i like just about any nice lookin, powerful automobile. i dont recall dreaming about cruising in a stick shift anything but american muscle. going to cruisin car shows. goin with my dad and now i take my kids. they are great cars. no doubt about it.
first let me start by saying im a G35 coupe owner. I im not here to bash mustangs....alot of my friends have them my fiance wants one and im looking forward to working on it. im here to learn more about them. im a car enthusists so i have respect for all cars. i have a 6MT and i have beat GT's before by the same token i've been waxed also. anythg can beat anythg on anygiven day. if you think about it some of the fastest cars on the strip are imports and in the import based sport of drifting the 2 points leaders are american cars (Viper and GTO) so who cares. All G35 owners are not anal pricks please don't judge us all the same. I love my car and plan to do alot of things to it, im lookin to hit 400 whp, but i also want to own a Saleen. if the G35 owners want to call me a trader than so be it but i just like cars. if any of you go see the new fast and the furious you get the best of both worlds. A mustang body with a nissan RB26DETT engine!!!!! This needs to DIE....Both cars are capable of incredible things.
and please dont call us ricers, i cant stand the sound of a bad honda, i would like to think we are a step above!!!! i know i know their exhaust sounds horrible.
I know what you said in this post is genuine, because your fellow forum members at 6mt forums currently have a flame thread going on right now against ricers. We do have similar interests>LOL.
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and please dont call us ricers, i cant stand the sound of a bad honda, i would like to think we are a step above!!!! i know i know their exhaust sounds horrible.
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72MachOne99GT... That's true, more imports have been trying to manufacture more in the US, I know Honda recently has built a factory here in the US, but for the most part imports still remain a little more pricy. Bang for the buck american cars do cost less.
As for budget cases I guess I was over generalizing a little. I dunno how many people on the mustang forums would still buy a mustang if they had money for more expensive cars. Most of the people I'm around buy what they buy (like you said) because that's what they can afford. My bro for ex. would have never gotten the g35 if he didn't have to take over the mortgage on the house. He's beening eyeing a used m3. But I dunno... maybe the mustang crowd would still have one even if they had a big budget... i mean it is a legendary car in a way, it's not like owning a civic is all that if you catch my drift. Same goes for the 350Z. It's a sports finatics kinda car. They kinda fall into a different category. In my case, I got a civic because it was cheap, reliable, and it had plenty of engines and parts on the market avaliable. Maybe if I had more knowledge in muscle I would have done otherwise but I didn't so I did what I did. I bought a car that I knew about and that if I had problems the people around me knew how to take care of me. Plus in a way it was a little cheaper because I actually knew mechanics and tuners that hooked me up for next to nothing. I'm sure I could have built a killer mustang with equivalent if not better speed for the amount of cash I dropped. Maybe in a couple years when I get more cash I'll pick me up a 67 fastback and do some real damage. I always had a thing for those cars. My buddy's dad owns one and I would definitely sell one of my cars for that but I'm moving out soon so money is a big factor.
As for racing... 99% are in a straight line I agree. But for the most part I built my car for both... $1500 suspension + $1600 forged wheels weighing in at 8.5 lbs each (w/o tire) + Bridgestone s03 tires. I have my bigger brakes laying in my garage ready to put in once I have the time and the basic struts and a 23mm rear sway once I pick up some aftermarket rear lca's that have the holes to mount them. as for the straight away... 220whp in a aprx 2300 lbs car... definitely a 13 sec car... enough said for a daily driven civic owner.
Original: C6 VETTE I know what you said in this post is genuine, because your fellow forum members at 6mt forums currently have a flame thread going on right now against ricers. We do have similar interests>LOL.
It's funny to me how they can even mention ricers. I've been seeing more and more riced G35s by the day. And to race and brag about beating high school kids in their rsx's or civics is just plain pathetic. I'ma start serving some more G's on the street next time I see some. :)
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You guys are too funny. If you knew the things that people say about you in other forums. You are pretty much laughed at on every forum I go to.
The Mustang has always been know to be the poor man's muscle car. No imagination, no class, no quality. You get a bunch of horsepower with a P.O.S. interior so that Ford can keep the price down. Can't corner worth a damn. You'd het left by and G or Z driver in autocross.
It's funny that you're so excited about beating a stock G with your modded GT. Meanwhile, the G driver can't hear you laugh over his bose stereo system and is too busy playing with his navigation to bother to notice you drive off in your BDU's.
It's commonly known that Mustangs are praised by hicks and G.I.'s that can't afford there domestic P.O.S. payment to begin with.
Have fun with your sup'd up Escorts and I hope you don't run in to a modded G or even a stock G with a driver that knows what he's doing
Excuse me mr. "mine's about yay big" but are u insulting our men and women in uniform. Lemme tell u something u make fun of my car all u want all i kno is i'll get a ****load more p00n and way more looks in my badass gt then in some hond or G or Z as you put it. If you wanna talk **** about cars that's one thing, but you leave the our soldiers out of this. You are one big sack of ****. Ok if you think theyre admired by hicks and G.I.'s let's see who admires your ****ty imports...uhhhh NO ONE! The only people who like your ****boxes are ****ing poor ass punks who beg mommy and daddy to buy them this girly man's sporty car so all the girlies will look at you and go oooo he must be hung like secretariat. Guess what your about as well hung as your sister you donkey ****ing **** sniffer now get out and dont ever come back.
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If the mods do not remove his account for what he said about our troops then I am gone from this forum. You can talk about our cars all you want but there is a line that you should not cross. Be glad that nooone knows where you really live because you would get the living s*** beat out of you(if not worse) for that and that is exactly what you need from the sounds of it.
THIS IS GOING OUT TO THE MODS: IF HE ISN'T GONE THEN I AM!!!! AND I WILL MAKE GO ON OTHER MUSTANG FORUMS TO TELL THEM ABOUT THIS ALSO IF NOTHING IS DONE!!!!
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Deleting my post. It has been addressed. Thanks MikeHawke!!!
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