If he would of stated his story a little different, it would not be totally impossible for him to pull a 1/2 car on the vette, since he said he launched better than the vette and also assuming they went to 0-60 or so. I think where is story starts to get crazy is when he used the word vanquished, that didnt happen.
My previous post explains using the term "vanquished".
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With all this said, I will say it one more time. A 350 hp 3200lb car will beat a 300hp 3700lb car EVERYTIME.As long as both drivers are equal, though the vette driver would need to launch BAD and probaly not be a very good driver for the Gt to have a chance.
Totally agree about driver experience. Also, one must take into consideration any weight difference between the drivers. These are the 2 crucial factors that enabled me to win the race.
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Bottom line anyone with any sense knows in most cases the VETTE will WIN
Yep, my win is definitely in the minority, but it was a win nevertheless.
What makes me luagh is how people claim other drivers don't have experience. Let me use a automatic Vette, and I will put a monkey in there and watch it hit at least 13.4 in the quarter. Lets say you weigh 100lbs so now your stang is 3800lbs with 300hp. Lets say the Vette driver was 400lbs. So now you have weight advantage right?....Wrong! the Vette still scales in at only 3600lbs. 350hp/360lbs torque Vs 300hp/330lbs torque makes me pull the flag again on you. They guy in the Vette couldn't have weighed more the 350LBS and you weigh more than 100lbs so stop telling your stories and come clean
I have heard different weights on these cars, saleen says my car is 3550lbs--not so sure if that is correct. Dont think they weight 3800 but there are around 3650 or so i would think, regardless still allot less than a vette
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Thats my point, he said he "vanquished" a C5 Vette in his stock GT. Then he went and found some articles to support his BS. It seems to me that he read a few magazines looked at some horrible drivers track slip and came in here and said he vanquished a Vette. Then he tried to pull every card there was to some how make his story make sense--"Also, I'm an experienced racer. Finally, that C5 had everything going against it - it was an auto with a 2.73 gear, it was a slightly heavier convertible, and a plump and inexperienced driver was behind the wheel" Even with all these factors the Vette still has more HP still lighter and more aerodynamic. Didn't you guys read the other post in here about the 5 speed who got beat by a stock, automatic, convertable Vette? So many people come in here and post BS stories and then get sensitive when you call them on their crap.
Ski-"I've had only one race so far against an auto C5 with my manual 05 Mustang GT(pure stock at the time). I jumped him off the line, and I was able to maintain a 1/2 car length lead"
Ski a couple of posts later..-"No BS. I vanquished a C5 auto"
Which one is it Ski? I guess as long as the magazines say so, it can really happen huh?
I knew when I posted the results of my victory over a C5 Vette that some people would not believe it, because on paper the Vette should have won. But on paper the U.S. should have also won the Vietnam war. However, neither one happened the way it should have on paper, because of the details and specifics involved.
All you had to do in your initial response was to ask the right questions about the race, and I would have immediately and gladly posted all of the details and specifics regarding it, along with supporting data from other sites(the latter archived last summer immediately after the race in anticipation of forum confrontations like this one). But since you chose to boorishly blast away with generalizations, and fire off the BS flag with no questions asked, then I chose to gradually trickle out the details, specifics, and data over a few posts until you had no ammunition to fire back with, other than additional generalizations, conjecture, "I think...", and "I still think...". Also, I purposely used the term 'vanquished' just to get your skivvies in more of a bunch after your inital response.
Well you accomplished that!!! LOL
Finally, the post in this forum regarding a stock 05 or 06 Mustang GT getting beat by a 2001 C5 Vette does not state that the Vette is an auto. Plus, that Vette driver is experienced.
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I don't know about you all, but my 05 GT only weighs 3630 with me in it and a full tank of gas. If you guys are driving around 3800 lb GT's, I indeed feel sorry for you. I've checked this many times on many different sites, and the curb weight on an 05/06 Mustang GT is 3483 lbs.
And secondly, when did this turn into the Mustang vs. Corvette thread? The mustang must be getting pretty good to constantly be compared to the likes of the Corvette in some form or another.
3483lbs wow I did not know that, I was always under the impression it was heavy. Guess my saleen is 3550, that would make since it has the body kit.
That means the GT500 is 500 more lbs. WOW heavy indeed!!!
I think the supercharger and extra body weight from the saleen kit probably will add a bit of weight over the stock GT. But no one......not S281SC or GT owners, should be driving off the lots with cars that weigh over 3600 lbs.......assuming they're stock.
I don't know about you all, but my 05 GT only weighs 3630 with me in it and a full tank of gas. If you guys are driving around 3800 lb GT's, I indeed feel sorry for you. I've checked this many times on many different sites, and the curb weight on an 05/06 Mustang GT is 3483 lbs.
And secondly, when did this turn into the Mustang vs. Corvette thread? The mustang must be getting pretty good to constantly be compared to the likes of the Corvette in some form or another.
It not Mustang vs Corvette. It BS vs the truth. Subtract the Vette and insert the SRT8 charger and we would still challenge that. I think it the Vette that everyone wants to beat not the mustang.
The amount of feedback is out of this world. I feel like a kid arriving to class each day. This debate is getting better every day!! I am learning more and more about my 06 Gt and Mustangs in general. FYI Still waiting on wing and louver install, the dealer kicked it back to Monday........6/12
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How about the new Hemi Charger? Anybody spank one of these?
Yes i beat the SRT-8 from a 20 roll...they are heavy... All anyone has done on this post is bicker back and forth...is everyone riding a "cotton" pony...
I have raced many of these cars.. and here is what i got.
#1 yes you can eat it. #2 yes you can barbequ it. #3 yes you can pick yourteeth with it #4 yes you can smoke it #4 Idont know... i think NO #5 yes you can fart them #6 umm... its a close race... from a stop he jumps but from a roll its a drivers race. #7 200,2001 i dont think so but under i think yeah #8 yes you can Sh!t them \( even the lt1 z28 i have a video and i will post it soon) #9 havent raced them transams #10 porshces are german g@y frogs... they all look the same, But i have raced a 2002 carrera 4 and smoked it.
Numbers 5 and 10 are complete . How dare you tell this guy that stock for stock you beat a 3200lb 2002 Carrera 4S? 3.6-liter, 320-horsepower normally aspirated 911 Carrera engine with all-wheel drive chassis, body design and feature content of the 911 Turbo.
I guess you think he can beat the base 350hp Vette which weighs about 3200lbs also. It just doesnt add up.
My big brother owns a 2002 carrera 4 (auto) and i raced him with 2 extra passengers... and I smoked that german car....
and about #5 i have raced almost every mustang i see on the street... i eat them all... yes i do...
you better have a nice mod list, cause i pulled away from my buddy in a 911 in his mach, and he will pull away from an S-197, or is your car in in the high 12s?
as to those 0-60 and quarter mile times, haha thats funny, an edge SN-95 GT was capable on average of 14 flat
I havent tested my car yet at a track... but I raced my bro and I won.. saudi's believe it or not
I think the stock Gt 9 out of 10 times will handle a stock r/t charger they usually low 14's, now at the track I have seen the srt8 run a couple of times mid to high 13's. So you could say a srt8 and gt are a drivers race,but I think the race with equal drivers the srt8 come out on top, I have heard those thing run low 13's
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How about the new Hemi Charger? Anybody spank one of these?
Yes i beat the SRT-8 from a 20 roll...they are heavy... All anyone has done on this post is bicker back and forth...is everyone riding a "cotton" pony...
I don't see how that happened... Especialy from a roll. Yes they are heavy but 425hp and 0-60 in 4.7 gives it a advantage. You must have beat a charger with a SRT8 body kit.
Yeah more cases than not, a stock gt will not take a srt8 let alone from a roll, they are heavy, the time I saw gts beat a srt8 was because the gt had great 60' times and the srt8 spun allot out of the hole,
People not familiar with srt8 mistaken the daytona as the srt8 because of the body mods...........I bet it was a daytona r/t
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What makes me luagh is how people claim other drivers don't have experience. Let me use a automatic Vette, and I will put a monkey in there and watch it hit at least 13.4 in the quarter. Lets say you weigh 100lbs so now your stang is 3800lbs with 300hp. Lets say the Vette driver was 400lbs. So now you have weight advantage right?....Wrong! the Vette still scales in at only 3600lbs. 350hp/360lbs torque Vs 300hp/330lbs torque makes me pull the flag again on you. They guy in the Vette couldn't have weighed more the 350LBS and you weigh more than 100lbs so stop telling your stories and come clean
Please refer back to the R&T and dragtimes links in my previous posts. These show that there are instances when a human could not drive an 01 Vette any faster than 13.55 in the 1/4, auto or manual. In fact, one of them was considerably slower at 14.1 in a manual. On the other hand, all of my online/offline research has yielded no evidence whatever indicating that a monkey has driven an 01 auto Vette at 13.4 sec. in the 1/4.
Let's rerun the numbers. My car weighs 3500 lb. dry, the tank was 1/8 full at the time of the race, I weigh 150 lb., thus my total weight was 3660 lb. The Vette weighs 3210 lb. dry, and the portly driver weighed at least 300 lb. Assuming his gas tank was full, then his total weight was 3630 lb. Total difference => 30 lb. If his tank were half full, then the total difference would still have been only 90 lb. And even though he also has 30 lb-ft more torque and 50 more hp, in addition to that slight weight advantage, I have a major gear advantage. Also, remember that I jumped him off the line, I mean a huge jump.
While I always enjoy a friendly and intelligent discussion regarding cars and racing, I'm bowing out of this one because it appears that we're both at an impasse, and we may end up discussing this matter adinfinitum, which is already keeping me from fulfilling more important duties. And even though I have no definite proof to back up my claim, I feel that I have provided sufficient supportive data that lends credence to it happening, even though in a perfect world the Vette should have won.
Man u guys have no faith...dont try to tell me that it was an R/T with an SRT-8 body kit...i know the difference...I ran him twice, first race he took me by a quarter panel because he got the jump and the second race i beat him by a quarter car length on an even jump...some of you have no faith in your cars...I know numbers talk but experience is the best teacher
Brother its not about faith.........I dont doubt you but I have said it a thousand times, If you come in here and say Car A beat Car B, but the magaizne says Car B beat's Car A, be ready for questions or a little Flaming. Now that's not a knock against the people calling BS its just the way it is.
Remember this I think we can all agree that a Bone Stock 05/06 GT at the very best will run a 13.5 1/4---and the best , you got to remember that it is very possible for a SRT8 or any car for that matter to run a slower time than what some magazine run's.(I think they say 13.3 for a srt8) But we can all agree that a 05/06 Gt will not run 13.3---though a SRT-8 could run slower than a 13.5...
I think this has been a great thread, though I dont think anyone knows there car better than the owner, so with that said I dont think anyone here doubts there cars
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RE: What can we beat?? - 
flag again on you. They guy in the Vette couldn't have weighed more the 350LBS and you weigh more than 100lbs so stop telling your stories and come clean
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