You guys are killin it! All the info,specs and real life stories about u vs what ever totally rock. Keep going at it. This is the class I want to be in.
FYI- First race today (real race at light) Not sure what car it was but it looked like an Evo (I know it wasnt) but it has the same look. Every time I see these cars they always have the big wing and coffee can muffler on it so I think they come that way. If I had to guess it was some type of Suberu or Toyota or something. You guys may know what car out there has that same look as an Evo. What ever it was I don't know what they were thinking.
#1. 3 people in car, just me in mine. #2. Just got my cast off my hand so I was looking to get loose. #3. A couple of Beyonce's in the car to my right just smilen, these very smart guys in there Evo wantabe to my left at the light. (might have let them go if they were not revin like crazy and trying to give me the ice grill). and it went like this.
10 sec before green my rpm's are hitting 3000 I can see people at the crosswalk looking as the my Macs drown out what ever they were saying A look over at the 3 soon to viewers of my chrome pipes show that they have a noticeable different look on there face. Could the growl of my car have opened there eyes that perhaps they have picked the wrong car with the wrong guy on the wrong day???
Green......
T/C off, stomp,, woahhhh, 2nd gear came very quick to me almost to quick, I did not even see the car beside me at this point, did not know till today that we could chirp from 2nd to 3rd, have not had a reason to try. (had my car 5 months) 3rd gear I am so far infront of them that if it were not for seeing them pulling away from the other cars at the light I would have sworn they were in park. No need to burn any more gas at this point, cruise until 1 mile ahead next light. Guess who finally pulls up to me at light?? Turn radio down to hear if I could hear anything like more reving. Looked over through my tint. Passenger and back seat dude are totally craking up laughing, could hear front passenger saying, 'dont even look over there anymore man god dayummm"
I can't wait to see what a turbo and CAI will bring me......Could not help but think how much my insurance would go up if I get caught racing..................few and far between....
Most 05/06 mustangs do a 0-60 in low 5's (I've seen 5.1-5.4) and the 1/4 mile in mid to high 13's (13.5-13.8)
#1 350z-close race, should do a high 13 and a low 5 0-60.
#2 V6 honda accord newer model (the vtec v6 coups are light and quick)- kill it; 0-60 in 6 range.
#3 Nissan Maxima any- kill it; weights more and has less horsepower
#4 Mitsu 3000gt-non-turbo= kill; the vr4 are fast and very quick of the line. they migh weight 3800 pds but do get 315 ft pds of tq at 2500rpm and can hit 13's in the 1/4
#4 any vet less z06 03,02,00,99- most vettes dont race, maybe a z06..but
#5 any older Mustang thats not a cobra be it 2004, 1999 2000, etc-mach1s are faster w/ a 32v dohc v8.
#6 evo 8- close; off the line i would say evo (0-60 5.0 sec, 1/4 is 13.5) but a roll on a dif story. The evos are short geard and awd; so up top you could take one(stock)
#7 any older cobra 2000,2001, 1997 1999- the cobra type R and the 00-02 cobras push 320hp
#8 camaro any year-lt1s, yes. ls1 could be a close race; but im going w/ the ls1's
#9 trans am any year same as camaro
#10 porshe, 944,928 or any 911 thats not a turbo new 911's are fast. dont bother
Mitsu GT VR4 - Driver's race C5 Vette, auto - Close, but the Vette should win. C5 Vette, manual - Stay away C6 Vette, manual - Stay away
Any C5 vette stay away.... The autos help eliminate any potential driver error....
Driver error with the auto C5's is not eliminated. An inexperienced driver can be bog down the launch with T/C on, or can excessively spin the tires with T/C off. Also, auto C5's have a taller gear than manuals, pure stock manuals are rated 0-60 in 4.8 and the 1/4 in 13.3, and so pure stock autos will be a tad slower, which will be close to a manual 05/06 Mustang GT. I've had only one race so far against an auto C5 with my manual 05 Mustang GT(pure stock at the time). I jumped him off the line, and I was able to maintain a 1/2 car length lead.
Actualy the F-bodies with LS1's can do 13.3 in the 1/4. The Vettes are more so around the 13s or high 12s stock. That is no where near a stock GT capabilities. To honest, with my expieriences the Vettes perform better with the T/C off. There is not significant wheel spin when you launch hard. I think your story, auto or not is BS.
Road and track? Give me a break. You have not beat any Vette at all. Just to be honest, I have never seen a C5 corvette run a 13.6 in the 1/4. I still think your story is BS.
Mitsu GT VR4 - Driver's race C5 Vette, auto - Close, but the Vette should win. C5 Vette, manual - Stay away C6 Vette, manual - Stay away
Any C5 vette stay away.... The autos help eliminate any potential driver error....
Driver error with the auto C5's is not eliminated. An inexperienced driver can be bog down the launch with T/C on, or can excessively spin the tires with T/C off. Also, auto C5's have a taller gear than manuals, pure stock manuals are rated 0-60 in 4.8 and the 1/4 in 13.3, and so pure stock autos will be a tad slower, which will be close to a manual 05/06 Mustang GT. I've had only one race so far against an auto C5 with my manual 05 Mustang GT(pure stock at the time). I jumped him off the line, and I was able to maintain a 1/2 car length lead.
Actualy the F-bodies with LS1's can do 13.3 in the 1/4. The Vettes are more so around the 13s or high 12s stock. That is no where near a stock GT capabilities. To honest, with my expieriences the Vettes perform better with the T/C off. There is not significant wheel spin when you launch hard. I think your story, auto or not is BS.
Road and track? Give me a break. You have not beat any Vette at all. Just to be honest, I have never seen a C5 corvette run a 13.6 in the 1/4. I still think your story is BS.
Well just because no one has seen a vette run 13.6 doesnt mean it hasnt happen..........But common sense says if you 9out of 10 time the vette will beat the stock mustang
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Most 05/06 mustangs do a 0-60 in low 5's (I've seen 5.1-5.4) and the 1/4 mile in mid to high 13's (13.5-13.8)
#1 350z-close race, should do a high 13 and a low 5 0-60.
#2 V6 honda accord newer model (the vtec v6 coups are light and quick)- kill it; 0-60 in 6 range.
#3 Nissan Maxima any- kill it; weights more and has less horsepower
#4 Mitsu 3000gt-non-turbo= kill; the vr4 are fast and very quick of the line. they migh weight 3800 pds but do get 315 ft pds of tq at 2500rpm and can hit 13's in the 1/4
#4 any vet less z06 03,02,00,99- most vettes dont race, maybe a z06..but
#5 any older Mustang thats not a cobra be it 2004, 1999 2000, etc-mach1s are faster w/ a 32v dohc v8.
#6 evo 8- close; off the line i would say evo (0-60 5.0 sec, 1/4 is 13.5) but a roll on a dif story. The evos are short geard and awd; so up top you could take one(stock)
#7 any older cobra 2000,2001, 1997 1999- the cobra type R and the 00-02 cobras push 320hp
#8 camaro any year-lt1s, yes. ls1 could be a close race; but im going w/ the ls1's
#9 trans am any year same as camaro
#10 porshe, 944,928 or any 911 thats not a turbo new 911's are fast. dont bother
there was no 02 cobra, and there was no 00 cobra, there was 99,01,03,04 99 and 01 are essentially what the mach 1 is, and all ive seen the S-197s do is 13.6 or above, LS1 maros/T/As are good for low 13s high 12s very rarely and with H/C/I and DRs are in the 11s, their autos are the same times, usually a tad bit faster
Mitsu GT VR4 - Driver's race C5 Vette, auto - Close, but the Vette should win. C5 Vette, manual - Stay away C6 Vette, manual - Stay away
Any C5 vette stay away.... The autos help eliminate any potential driver error....
Driver error with the auto C5's is not eliminated. An inexperienced driver can be bog down the launch with T/C on, or can excessively spin the tires with T/C off. Also, auto C5's have a taller gear than manuals, pure stock manuals are rated 0-60 in 4.8 and the 1/4 in 13.3, and so pure stock autos will be a tad slower, which will be close to a manual 05/06 Mustang GT. I've had only one race so far against an auto C5 with my manual 05 Mustang GT(pure stock at the time). I jumped him off the line, and I was able to maintain a 1/2 car length lead.
Actualy the F-bodies with LS1's can do 13.3 in the 1/4. The Vettes are more so around the 13s or high 12s stock. That is no where near a stock GT capabilities. To honest, with my expieriences the Vettes perform better with the T/C off. There is not significant wheel spin when you launch hard. I think your story, auto or not is BS.
Road and track? Give me a break. You have not beat any Vette at all. Just to be honest, I have never seen a C5 corvette run a 13.6 in the 1/4. I still think your story is BS.
Well just because no one has seen a vette run 13.6 doesnt mean it hasnt happen..........But common sense says if you 9out of 10 time the vette will beat the stock mustang
Exactly! And my comment "C5 Vette, auto - Close, but the Vette should win" in my 1st post in this thread says the same thing, more or less. However, since we now agree that it's definitely not impossible for a stock 05/06 Mustang GT to outrun a stock C5 Vette, I'll run the risk of boring everyone by elaborating a little. Last year R&T tested a manual 05 Mustang GT that was broken in with a few thousand miles on it, as compared to the normally tight out-of-the-box vehicle. It ran 0-60 in 4.9 sec. and the 1/4 in 13.5 sec. My manual Stang had approx. 6K miles on it when I raced that C5 Vette. Also, I'm an experienced racer. Finally, that C5 had everything going against it - it was an auto with a 2.73 gear, it was a slightly heavier convertible, and a plump and inexperienced driver was behind the wheel. But instead of asking about the details of a race, some members find it a lot easier to just jump into the fray, blurt out their generalized thoughts, and raise the BS flag. So be it. That's their rightful choice. But because life is too short and I'm too old to fight, I much prefer to simply present the facts, and mow them down at the knees.
Oh I belive it's possible for anything and its not that crazy to hear a 2000 vette auto to be taken by a 05/06 GT, I think In most cases the vette would win,but when I was stock in my saleen with 330hp and 3.73 gears I did jump on a 2000 vette also a auto, we did shut down around 80 or so and I had him by a car is that crazy and unbeliveable NO............
All I got to say is I have heard allot more stories in here that were BS and no one said anything,
BUt be prepaired to have people flame if the "Magazine's" say Car A can out run Car B------then you come in here and say Car B won, they tend to flame..............
Keep racing and be SAFE!!!
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Oh I belive it's possible for anything and its not that crazy to hear a 2000 vette auto to be taken by a 05/06 GT, I think In most cases the vette would win,but when I was stock in my saleen with 330hp and 3.73 gears I did jump on a 2000 vette also a auto, we did shut down around 80 or so and I had him by a car is that crazy and unbeliveable NO............
All I got to say is I have heard allot more stories in here that were BS and no one said anything,
BUt be prepaired to have people flame if the "Magazine's" say Car A can out run Car B------then you come in here and say Car B won, they tend to flame.............. Keep racing and be SAFE!!!
Thats my point, he said he "vanquished" a C5 Vette in his stock GT. Then he went and found some articles to support his BS. It seems to me that he read a few magazines looked at some horrible drivers track slip and came in here and said he vanquished a Vette. Then he tried to pull every card there was to some how make his story make sense--"Also, I'm an experienced racer. Finally, that C5 had everything going against it - it was an auto with a 2.73 gear, it was a slightly heavier convertible, and a plump and inexperienced driver was behind the wheel" Even with all these factors the Vette still has more HP still lighter and more aerodynamic. Didn't you guys read the other post in here about the 5 speed who got beat by a stock, automatic, convertable Vette? So many people come in here and post BS stories and then get sensitive when you call them on their crap.
Ski-"I've had only one race so far against an auto C5 with my manual 05 Mustang GT(pure stock at the time). I jumped him off the line, and I was able to maintain a 1/2 car length lead"
Ski a couple of posts later..-"No BS. I vanquished a C5 auto"
Which one is it Ski? I guess as long as the magazines say so, it can really happen huh?
If he would of stated his story a little different, it would not be totally impossible for him to pull a 1/2 car on the vette, since he said he launched better than the vette and also assuming they went to 0-60 or so. I think where is story starts to get crazy is when he used the word vanquished, that didnt happen.
People tend to read to much into magazine story. BUT if you think the time that a magazine ran with a vette is BS ( Which I know was BS time, no way they ran a 13.6) you got to belive every other car they run in the magazine is BS.(ie 13.9 in a 05/06 GT)
With all this said, I will say it one more time. A 350 hp 3200lb car will beat a 300hp 3700lb car EVERYTIME.As long as both drivers are equal, though the vette driver would need to launch BAD and probaly not be a very good driver for the Gt to have a chance. Though I think we can all agree the best a 05/06 Gt stock will run is 13.5 giving I said that I think we can all agree the worst a 2000 vette auto with 2.73 gears would be 13.3 or so (though possible a higher time)
Bottom line anyone with any sense knows in most cases the VETTE will WIN
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I have raced many of these cars.. and here is what i got.
#1 yes you can eat it. #2 yes you can barbequ it. #3 yes you can pick yourteeth with it #4 yes you can smoke it #4 Idont know... i think NO #5 yes you can fart them #6 umm... its a close race... from a stop he jumps but from a roll its a drivers race. #7 200,2001 i dont think so but under i think yeah #8 yes you can Sh!t them \( even the lt1 z28 i have a video and i will post it soon) #9 havent raced them transams #10 porshces are german g@y frogs... they all look the same, But i have raced a 2002 carrera 4 and smoked it.
Numbers 5 and 10 are complete . How dare you tell this guy that stock for stock you beat a 3200lb 2002 Carrera 4S? 3.6-liter, 320-horsepower normally aspirated 911 Carrera engine with all-wheel drive chassis, body design and feature content of the 911 Turbo.
I guess you think he can beat the base 350hp Vette which weighs about 3200lbs also. It just doesnt add up.
My big brother owns a 2002 carrera 4 (auto) and i raced him with 2 extra passengers... and I smoked that german car....
and about #5 i have raced almost every mustang i see on the street... i eat them all... yes i do...
Thats my point, he said he "vanquished" a C5 Vette in his stock GT. Then he went and found some articles to support his BS. It seems to me that he read a few magazines looked at some horrible drivers track slip and came in here and said he vanquished a Vette. Then he tried to pull every card there was to some how make his story make sense--"Also, I'm an experienced racer. Finally, that C5 had everything going against it - it was an auto with a 2.73 gear, it was a slightly heavier convertible, and a plump and inexperienced driver was behind the wheel" Even with all these factors the Vette still has more HP still lighter and more aerodynamic. Didn't you guys read the other post in here about the 5 speed who got beat by a stock, automatic, convertable Vette? So many people come in here and post BS stories and then get sensitive when you call them on their crap.
Ski-"I've had only one race so far against an auto C5 with my manual 05 Mustang GT(pure stock at the time). I jumped him off the line, and I was able to maintain a 1/2 car length lead"
Ski a couple of posts later..-"No BS. I vanquished a C5 auto"
Which one is it Ski? I guess as long as the magazines say so, it can really happen huh?
I knew when I posted the results of my victory over a C5 Vette that some people would not believe it, because on paper the Vette should have won. But on paper the U.S. should have also won the Vietnam war. However, neither one happened the way it should have on paper, because of the details and specifics involved.
All you had to do in your initial response was to ask the right questions about the race, and I would have immediately and gladly posted all of the details and specifics regarding it, along with supporting data from other sites(the latter archived last summer immediately after the race in anticipation of forum confrontations like this one). But since you chose to boorishly blast away with generalizations, and fire off the BS flag with no questions asked, then I chose to gradually trickle out the details, specifics, and data over a few posts until you had no ammunition to fire back with, other than additional generalizations, conjecture, "I think...", and "I still think...". Also, I purposely used the term 'vanquished' just to get your skivvies in more of a bunch after your inital response.
Finally, the post in this forum regarding a stock 05 or 06 Mustang GT getting beat by a 2001 C5 Vette does not state that the Vette is an auto. Plus, that Vette driver is experienced.
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I have raced many of these cars.. and here is what i got.
#1 yes you can eat it. #2 yes you can barbequ it. #3 yes you can pick yourteeth with it #4 yes you can smoke it #4 Idont know... i think NO #5 yes you can fart them #6 umm... its a close race... from a stop he jumps but from a roll its a drivers race. #7 200,2001 i dont think so but under i think yeah #8 yes you can Sh!t them \( even the lt1 z28 i have a video and i will post it soon) #9 havent raced them transams #10 porshces are german g@y frogs... they all look the same, But i have raced a 2002 carrera 4 and smoked it.
Numbers 5 and 10 are complete . How dare you tell this guy that stock for stock you beat a 3200lb 2002 Carrera 4S? 3.6-liter, 320-horsepower normally aspirated 911 Carrera engine with all-wheel drive chassis, body design and feature content of the 911 Turbo.
I guess you think he can beat the base 350hp Vette which weighs about 3200lbs also. It just doesnt add up.
My big brother owns a 2002 carrera 4 (auto) and i raced him with 2 extra passengers... and I smoked that german car....
and about #5 i have raced almost every mustang i see on the street... i eat them all... yes i do...
you better have a nice mod list, cause i pulled away from my buddy in a 911 in his mach, and he will pull away from an S-197, or is your car in in the high 12s?
as to those 0-60 and quarter mile times, haha thats funny, an edge SN-95 GT was capable on average of 14 flat
If he would of stated his story a little different, it would not be totally impossible for him to pull a 1/2 car on the vette, since he said he launched better than the vette and also assuming they went to 0-60 or so. I think where is story starts to get crazy is when he used the word vanquished, that didnt happen.
My previous post explains using the term "vanquished".
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With all this said, I will say it one more time. A 350 hp 3200lb car will beat a 300hp 3700lb car EVERYTIME.As long as both drivers are equal, though the vette driver would need to launch BAD and probaly not be a very good driver for the Gt to have a chance.
Totally agree about driver experience. Also, one must take into consideration any weight difference between the drivers. These are the 2 crucial factors that enabled me to win the race.
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Bottom line anyone with any sense knows in most cases the VETTE will WIN
Yep, my win is definitely in the minority, but it was a win nevertheless.
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Even with all these factors the Vette still has more HP still lighter and more aerodynamic. Didn't you guys read the other post in here about the 5 speed who got beat by a stock, automatic, convertable Vette? So many people come in 
