Wow. There's a shocking amount of haters in here. I'd expect to see those kinds of comments over on the LS1 boards.
Any car can be modified to outperform a stock car. And do you guys really think the GT500s are gonna be stock for long?? Just like some of you did, the people that have deposits on their GT500 might already have aftermarket parts picked out already and waiting. I'm sure the first thing to be changed will be the pulley. Keep in mind this thing is reliably making power that our GT's engine would be on the edge of its life to do the same.
By show of hands, how many guys have blown their GT engines pushing 500+ HP w/ a supercharger? Reading forums and talking with one of the local tuner shops, with the GT running that kind of power under forced induction, it's not a matter of if your engine will die, but when.
I think you're mistaking "not a fan" and "disappointed" with hate. We're not hating the car, we just don't think Ford delivered what folks were hoping for in the new Cobra. There's no doubt it has a powerful engine and is a great platform (for future power upgrades). But as delivered, for the money it disappoints. Compare this to the base GT, everyone acknowledges that Ford hit it out of the park, but with the Cobra some of us feel like, with a homer in the bag and the 06s and 07s putting men on base, they decided to bunt.
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The new GT500 is way over priced. At 38500(with no dealer markup) it would be ok. Then you could mod it up and beat vetts, but priced the same as vetts and still a mustang........what was ford thinking.
The new GT500 is way over priced. At 38500(with no dealer markup) it would be ok. Then you could mod it up and beat vetts, but priced the same as vetts and still a mustang........what was ford thinking.
yeah, the first thing you wanna do with a Shelby GT500 is swap out the motor and put a GT 24V all aluminum block in it.
I think you're mistaking "not a fan" and "disappointed" with hate. We're not hating the car, we just don't think Ford delivered what folks were hoping for in the new Cobra
Agreed. Plus, considering this may be the last Carroll Shelby model, I was really hoping it would be much better than what came out. I'm assuming others were too.
Yes - I certainly didn't start this thread as a hater of the GT500. I just really expected more from Ford. If I spent 40k + markups and then I had to start adding aftermarket parts to make it perform - why buy it in the first place? Folks on this forum have proven you don't need 500+ HP to dip into the 12's - and you can do it for a lot less than the Shelby will cost. So if you add it up this way:
If you really wanted to duplicate it add the 6spd, stripes, front end and spoiler and change the wheels - but the car really looks the same as a modded GT. I think most people expected more - just like the differences between the C6 and the new Z06 - before dealer markup on the Z06 you're looking at about $20k in price difference - well justified when you consider the drivetrain changes, body modifications, suspension/brakes and frame upgrades. It seems like most people agree Ford could have done more. Not hating, just pointing out some opinions.
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I wouldn't pass judgement on the GT500 just yet. C&D gets some pretty screwy numbers some times. I'm interested to see how well the GT500s will respond to mods, since that is what the new mustang crowd seems to be all about anyway. I imagine that 5.4 has a couple hundred more horsepower hiding in it without too much work and cash(relatively speaking).
The C6 to GT500 comparison is kind of strange anyway. They're pretty different animals. The vettes a two seater sports car, the mustang is an all out musclecar monster and each fills its niche pretty well.
I do have to admit, I am a little dissapointed with the styling of the GT500. I think the stock GT looks much better, but that's entirely opinion. I'm also dissapointed with the weight, but heavy cars seems to be the trend these days.
The GT500 really disapointed me. I definatly am not sitting here wanting one. A GT with a supercharger can be right with or faster than a gt-500. And I have seen NA guys here run 12.8.
While I would rather have my GT than a corvette C6. (I test drove both, the corvette was faster and sharper but didnt push the right buttons for me). I would rather have a standard C6 over a gt500 every time out of 10. To me, for the money the GT is spot on perfect. The GT500 misses the mark in terms of performance and weight.
My 05 stang is running 12.71's in the 1/4 mile n/a with no forced induction. She been dyno at 312rwhp, its all about setup.
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All I can say is I hope more people think like ya'll do, because then maybe I can get a Shelby for sticker price after all! If I could get it at sticker or under I would do it. But not with a big fat markup on top of that.
All I can say is I hope more people think like ya'll do, because then maybe I can get a Shelby for sticker price after all! If I could get it at sticker or under I would do it. But not with a big fat markup on top of that.
You'll be getting an iron block with a technically inferior Roots-type blower that is nothing like the Lysholm screw-type on the Ford GT. A tuner Mustang GT running its standard aluminum block and a centrifugal or twinscrew added to it will blow a GT500 door's off.
I proud to say I left my Shelby stock for at least 3 weeks!!!
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Wow. There's a shocking amount of haters in here. I'd expect to see those kinds of comments over on the LS1 boards.
Any car can be modified to outperform a stock car. And do you guys really think the GT500s are gonna be stock for long?? Just like some of you did, the people that have deposits on their GT500 might already have aftermarket parts picked out already and waiting. I'm sure the first thing to be changed will be the pulley. Keep in mind this thing is reliably making power that our GT's engine would be on the edge of its life to do the same.
By show of hands, how many guys have blown their GT engines pushing 500+ HP w/ a supercharger? Reading forums and talking with one of the local tuner shops, with the GT running that kind of power under forced induction, it's not a matter of if your engine will die, but when.
Though not a disappointment to me (just pricing) I know I have a GT that will keep up with a GT500 in relation to speed. Now on to the suspension and brakes and I have a C6/GT500 killer!
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The GT500 really disapointed me. I definatly am not sitting here wanting one. A GT with a supercharger can be right with or faster than a gt-500. And I have seen NA guys here run 12.8.
While I would rather have my GT than a corvette C6. (I test drove both, the corvette was faster and sharper but didnt push the right buttons for me). I would rather have a standard C6 over a gt500 every time out of 10. To me, for the money the GT is spot on perfect. The GT500 misses the mark in terms of performance and weight.
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The GT-500 will do the 1/4 way faster than 12.8 , if you read mm@ff march 07 issue bone stock they ran a 12.38. My 07 GT-500 ran a 12.41 the first time it went down the 1/4 with the traction control on. Those guys at car and driver dont know how to drive. Ive spanked many c6's and with only a simple pulley and tune, bye bye zo6 . Plus how many GT-500'S do you see driving around vs vette.
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The potential of the 5.4 4v in the GT500 is just now starting to be tapped by companies like Evolution. Remember while not having the aluminum block out of the GT supercar, it does share the same heads...the best heads Ford has ever put out. This car will flow. I've seen the #'s tuners are putting out with a simple CAI/tune combo, it's sick. Stock they come with forged internals as well. The pistons are close to what's in the GT supercar and are receiving high reviews. The rods, while forged, may be the weak link, although people are now putting 750+rwhp to it already. The crank and block itself are stout pieces as well. Overpriced? Maybe. If they sold at the low 40's they are a very tempting buy. It's the markup that was outlandish on them, but that's not the cars fault.
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The GT-500 will do the 1/4 way faster than 12.8 , if you read mm@ff march 07 issue bone stock they ran a 12.38. My 07 GT-500 ran a 12.41 the first time it went down the 1/4 with the traction control on. Those guys at car and driver dont know how to drive. Ive spanked many c6's and with only a simple pulley and tune, bye bye zo6 . Plus how many GT-500'S do you see driving around vs vette.
Congrats on reviving a 2 year old thread! Welcome to the forums!
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I've got the Heritage GT-40 and the GT500. Have ran both against many cars but love the 500! If you don't like a 500 you have never owned one! Yes my is highly modified, putting down about 860rwhp on street tune with 22lbs of boost and 900rwhp plus on race tune.
The great thing about the car is what it can do. I've run against Vette's/ Vipers/ M5's really you name it. The car at 60mph will nail the rev limiter in 3rd instantly breaking the tires loose. Ford racing just installed the new version of the trans today that's used in the SS and that thing rocks! At high speeds it handles like a dream.
We were testing the blow off valve. 1st 2nd 3rd. If you turn it up you can hear the boost.
This is playing but if you want to hook up and go fast it will. Ran a 6.76 at 116 in the 1/8 on street 315/18's Had to pedal the car most of the way down the track. That was at about 800rwhp last year. Haven't got to run it this year but it's fast.
The Vette is probably a better performance bargain unless you can get a GT500 for sticker then it is close.
If you can stand having a car that has only two seats then go for the vette..... only having two seats is annoying to me. Also consider the safety factor, I'm willing to bet the mustang would fair much better in a crash test...the vette has "composite body panels" I think. But I guess you wouldn't buy either one if safety was a big factor.
MSRP for a basic Corvette will buy a loaded Shelby GT500, which " everybody else ", on the road, doesn't have.
True to a point. Still, it's an uncommon version of a common vehicle. As many on the board have pointed out a V6, GT and GT-500 are all still Mustangs. On the flip side, I've heard some complaining that the Z06 doesn't stand out enough from the C6 (I agree!).
Total production of Corvettes from 1997 until 2007 was about 360k units (C5/C6 a total of 11 model years). Production of S197 Mustangs from 2005 to 2007 (3 model years) has got to be around 450k-460k units. A good rule of thumb is about 4 or 5 Mustangs for every 1 Corvette.
It's better to buy a car because you enjoy it, instead of the number that are produced.
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RE: GT500 compared to Corvette C6 - 
I'd expect to see those kinds of comments over on the LS1 boards. 
If I could get it at sticker or under I would do it. But not with a big fat markup on top of that.
