i was reading road and track and the shelby GT500 as you all know v8 supercharged 500 hp, when i came across the GTR and i noticed the specs claiming a v6 turboed pushin out 450 hp. how is v6 GTR pumpin out so close to the shelby and why isnt the shelby putting more hp out?????

you cant really compare those thats freakin skyline and a mustang....although hp might be the same they are totally different categories. And as far a the v6 pushing out 450 thats not unbelievable. The 350z pushes like 289 or something like that. Seeing as how its a GTR add all the high quality nissan and nismo stuff for performance and throw on a turbo and there you go. But regardless you cant compare. A mustang will always be a muscle car and a nissan will always be an import. Imports try to do all this electronic stuff to make a car faster while muscle cars just beef the engine up and usually have huge amounts of TQ because we throw big engines into massive cars.

yea i totally understand but i was just thinking about it and wondering what was up.

Tell ya what......check out what rpms the GTR makes its max power at and then compare that to the rpm level that the GT500 makes its max power at. That's the difference between a 400+hp V6 and a 400+hp V8........it's called Torque. hehe. Plus, you have to figure that the Nissan is a turbocharged car....vs. the GT500 which is a supercharged car. There will be differences there too, and if Ford had made the GT500 a turbocharged 5.4 V8 powered car instead of supercharged........you'd be looking at a 700 to 900hp monster;)

Well something that you have to realize is that the gtr is built and enginered for fast acceleration and the gt500 is mostly power and top speed so of course the gtr is going to be turbocharged. if it was super charged it would only push like 300-350 so mustang hands down

yeah
the other thing to remember is that from what ive read the GTR is twin
turbo. another thing is that this is based of the design of the car that help the lap record of
Nubring (spelling) over the italian and german supercars.
that car is like the "holy grail" of rice-wanna-be-tuners.
but it still doesnt have a v8.....

Don't be surprised if you are surprised ... by the performance of the Nissan GTR Skyline. We haven't had a Japanese-made car of this caliber imported into the US, yet. It is one fast mother.

Agreed. The older Skylines were monsters, and from what I've read, the new one will be no different. While I would never take one over a Mustang, they are nice cars.

what i want to know is how a RX8 1.3 liter engine makes close to 240 hp and my 04 mustang 3.9 liter makes only 193! HOW DAMN IT! DAMN THEM IMPORT MAKERS! ok now im juss hating

because your v6 isnt near as high strung as the rx8's engine
is, also its a completley diffrent engine (rotory)(spelling)
that engine can rev to the point where any mustang engine would be
throwing up its internals...

ORIGINAL: 2001 mustang v6

i was reading road and track and the shelby GT500 as you all know v8 supercharged 500 hp, when i came across the GTR and i noticed the specs claiming a v6 turboed pushin out 450 hp. how is v6 GTR pumpin out so close to the shelby and why isnt the shelby putting more hp out?????


The GT 500 will still be faster stock to stock.

Also realise that the GTR will come out running right on the ragged edge, and the GT 500 will come out a pully swap and tune away from 550+ WHP.

GT 500 > Rice

Does anybody know the curb weight of the Nissan GTR?

the last production r34 skyline was about 3676lbs, so i'm guessing the new one will be close to that fiqure. but it will be a track monster with the new awd system imployed. the gt500 will be close numbers wise but the skyline might have the edge. now the z06 would make a good "compare" article. (or even the ford gt)

I personally don't look forward to the GTR hitting production. Even tho NONE of the ricers will EVER come CLOSE to owning one......you know that they're all gonna be pullin out the "yea........but the new Skyline would whip your ASS" routine whenever they get stomped by American muscle. It's like the Ricer Holy Grail, the GTR is.

The GTR is a heavy, comlicated machine. I honestly think it's AWD system, 4 Wheel Steering, and all it's other electronics are excessive.

The Shelby GT500 has much more room to grow with F/I, but it would help to cut some weight.

ORIGINAL: zarins04stang

what i want to know is how a RX8 1.3 liter engine makes close to 240 hp and my 04 mustang 3.9 liter makes only 193! HOW DAMN IT! DAMN THEM IMPORT MAKERS! ok now im juss hating


Dont worry they make less TQ, also the autos have less power

i thought the gtr was twin turboed ?

ORIGINAL: zarins04stang

what i want to know is how a RX8 1.3 liter engine makes close to 240 hp and my 04 mustang 3.9 liter makes only 193! HOW DAMN IT! DAMN THEM IMPORT MAKERS! ok now im juss hating


If you really want to know the answer to this question, I highly suggest you check out Mazda's RX8 site and see how the rotary engine works. It's completely different than your piston driven V6. So much less rotating mass, and very few moving parts. The rotary engine really is quite amazing. But, then again, it's still a ricer.

a couple of things i would like to say. The rotary engine may be nice and all, but its obviously not that much superior to regular piston cars, if they were, there would b a lot more rotary engine cars out there, and the other thing is the gt500 is like 45,000, where the gtr is gonna be atleast 70,000 thats all that is said about that.

In 2008 the next generation GTR will be coming to your shore and unless your driving in a straight line you will be looking at the back of this car.

local://upfiles/43347/C04AE422AEC04B67B55E803CF0A98418.jpg

I'm sorry to admit, but I'd take a new GTR over any fully built super duper mustang any day....call me crazy, but even over a Z06. I sat in an R34 which was only modded "mildly" and it was insane! The handling, the sound, the look, speed, it's just crazy. The AWD system in the Skyline is legendary. I know this new GTR is going to be great. Nissan wouldn't destroy the Skyline name with a crappy car.

I was reading one of the big car magazines (dont remember which one) and they asked the question what will the GTR have to beat when it comes to america? They came up with the answer of the Porsche 911 Turbo, having the skyline beat the Z06 and the GT500. While I find this hard to believe, if it is true we will never hear the end of it.

i hate having to put all of yall pony heads down, but the new 2008 GTR is 480hp with the turbos set at 10psi(from the factory), btw it has a boost controler in it so that the owner can turn it up the second that they get off of the lot... they've only got it set to 10psi so that can sell it in the U.S. its going to be capable of around 22-26psi stock, nissan isn'tdumb like most of yall think they've builtthis car so that without changing any of the stock parts on this car it can handle anywhere from 770-860hp (720-815whp)<-STOCK (of course with the right tune), hahaha,sooooo, with all that said, us "RICERS"(those of us lucky & welthy enough to own one) WILL be walking all over your sorry "shelby GT500" so i say "BRING IT ON"

one more thing i realize that the majority of yall are bias to the "musle" cars, but if yall are going to have a thread about something like this PLEASE do your research on both of the cars that the thread is refering to before you go and run your mouths about a car that yall know little to nothing about at all, other then the fact that its an "import... and give respect where its deserved, because i respect that a mustang built the right way "could" beat my turbo teg, but that hasn't happened yet.... but the day that it does belive me, im not just gonna walk off saying "oh, he got lucky", "its still a POS mustang", ya get what im trying to say??? im gonna sit there and be like "DAMN thats one fast son of a b!#*h". so yeah thats all IMO of course...

Thanks for reading all the way through this long ass post and not being all like "F!#k THOSE RICERS", because not all of us are "ricers" most of us are carenthusiest's (yes, mostly imports) like you and your mustangs...belive me we(import lovers)as a group hate it just as much if not more so then you do, to see a riced out civic or 240sx with the 10 foot tall wing on the back, its like if somebody just took a baseball bat to your car and your forced to watch, and you have no say in it...

PS ^^^^ it sucks!!

thanks,
-Jordan

GStypeR

one more thing i realize that the majority of yall are bias to the "musle" cars, but if yall are going to have a thread about something like this PLEASE do your research on both of the cars that the thread is refering to before you go and run your mouths about a car that yall know little to nothing about at all,


Welcome to the forum. I respect your opinion, as even though this is your first post and you are here to defend the GTR, and have not started blasting away with 4 letter words, and I appreciate that, I must point out a flaw in your presentation.

The same as the Camaro club, the GTR, IS NOT OUT YET. there are no hardcore numbers or times anywhere, because it's not on the road. You basically have stated your opinion on what you THINK will be.

That being said, what do you think the price of the GTR will be? if it comes like you say it will, we're talking 60 - 80k easy. At first, there will be dealer markups, but when that passes, it will be 20 - 40k more than a GT500. IF things stay like you say.

More than likely it will not be like you say.I am not going to speculate on whatit might ormight not be, let's just wait. No use arguing and throwing words around, on the internet of all places. But if you wish to make argument:

take that 20 grand you saved buying the GT500 and it would rape the GTR. I mean really. Or you could get a GT, yes, a Ford GT that would destory it regardless.

Now the 20 grand into a GT500 and the Ford GT are proven machines. The camaro and gtr are not. When they hit the streets, we shall see. Until then, just relax. :)

just passing on the information to yall

"The new Nissan GTR will come weighing in at 1390kg or 3058 pounds(unless Evo Spec not weighed at this point in time, mostly Carbon Fiber). The engine for the Nissan GTR had been decided once the car had finished testing. A VQ32DETT generating an 480ps @ 7,200rpm, 58.0kg/m @ 5,200rpm. The newly redesigned Nissan GTR's VQ32DETT powerplant will be capable of 1.86-2bar (27-29psi) from the factory, tuned down for the overconfident U.S. market,to a .69bar (10psi)factory tune,The transmission was chosen as well, a standard6 speed manual transmission,and an optional7 speed Getrag sequential transmission, which is sure to be overpowering. The Nissan GTR will be a 2 door coupe, with 4 bucket seats(Recaro), and will be availible in both left and right hand drive applications (buyers choice)."

Thanks for reading and not bashing
-Jordan
cough cough my turbo gsr teg could take it cough.. lol, jk, NO WAY IN HELL!!

Still pretty pointless. The GT500 and the Skyline GTR are about as much in the same category as the Mustang GT and WRX STI.......two totally different approaches to performance for two totally different types of enthusiasts. Sorry, but tis true.

Well, I heard Japanese automakers have this thing where theycan't build a street car past some like 300hp. Looking at their top cars,Nsx, TT supra, 350Z, Sti. I would be surprised if they came out with 400hp. But, like dude said earlier. Rumors are rumors. And I don't see anything wrong with recent RB26

ORIGINAL: zarins04stang

what i want to know is how a RX8 1.3 liter engine makes close to 240 hp and my 04 mustang 3.9 liter makes only 193! HOW DAMN IT! DAMN THEM IMPORT MAKERS! ok now im juss hating



Well does it make you happier to know that Ford owns Mazda?

http://www.my350z.com/photogallery/data/599/medium/DSCF0405.jpg (http://www.my350z.com/photogallery/showphoto.php?photo=1430&size=big&cat=599)

That is pic of what the real GT-R will look like. Obviously, it is pretty much in the final stages of development, if they are testing the car on American publis roads. That photo was taken at a gas station in Arizona. When it comes in early-mid 2008 it's expected to start somewhere in the mid $60k's. Drivetrain will be a twin turbod3.8l V6 expected to be codenamedVQ38HRTT. Power output is expected to be at least 450hp, with 475-485 more likely, and hinted at by people on the inside. Torque is expected to still be well into the 400's. Max engine is likely to be 7800-ish rpm. Of course it will be AWD. No word yet on whether it feature Nissan's four-wheel-steering technology. A true 6-speed manual will be standard, and there is talk of a paddle-shift sequential tran being offered. Brakes will be Brembos at least 14", althoughnoone knows if ceramic ones will be offered. As w/ previous GT-R's, the tuning potential will be practically limitless. The RB26DETT that powered the previous models could easily support 600 hp on stock internals, and the new engine will be no different. Aftermarket support will also be huge. Suspension was co-developed w/ Lotus at the Nurburgring. Pretty much all the info I can give you guys. But like everyone else has said, the GT-R and GT500 will be vastly different machines. I'd personally take the GT-R any day, even over a Z06 or Viper. To each his own.

ORIGINAL: chris94stang

Well something that you have to realize is that the gtr is built and enginered for fast acceleration and the gt500 is mostly power and top speed so of course the gtr is going to be turbocharged. if it was super charged it would only push like 300-350 so mustang hands down


Okay, considering the 350Z's engine, the VQ35HR makes 306hp normally aspirated, and the GT-R's engine will be larger displacement than that, I'm sure it'd have more than350 hp if were supercharged. Silly newb.[&:]

Just looking at the very last picture with the bra, it looks like a very slightly remodeled 350z.[&:] If it has 450 hp, they should have called it the 450 z, yes? I hope Nissan doesn't start the whole 1000 models that look the same like GM did, wait a sec.... [:-]


- C

When I lived in Japan while in the service, I owned an R34. I got it stock and it was an impressive car. With some minor fuel and boost control, it was a freaking monster. That being said, its a completely different type of animal from a Mustang. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to hand grenades. Yeah, they both have the same general shape but they serve VERY different purposes. The new R35 should be an interesting beast and I hope to get to drive one, but only to compare it to the R34 for personal curiosity. Theres a reason I ordered a Mustang.

Plus, I really hope they take care of some of the inherent problems with the VQ series engines. A good friend is a Nissan Mechanic and he sees about 1 of them a month come in for a rebuild.

ORIGINAL: myredgt

Just looking at the very last picture with the bra, it looks like a very slightly remodeled 350z.[&:] If it has 450 hp, they should have called it the 450 z, yes? I hope Nissan doesn't start the whole 1000 models that look the same like GM did, wait a sec.... [:-]


- C




Because the car has nothing to do w/ the Z car lineage. It is the successor to the SkylineR-34 GT-R. The 350Z will be replaced w/ the 370Z in 2008. It will use the same engine powering the new Infiniti G35 coupe: VQ37HR, 330hp, 279tq.

ORIGINAL: GT Bob

When I lived in Japan while in the service, I owned an R34. I got it stock and it was an impressive car. With some minor fuel and boost control, it was a freaking monster. That being said, its a completely different type of animal from a Mustang. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to hand grenades. Yeah, they both have the same general shape but they serve VERY different purposes. The new R35 should be an interesting beast and I hope to get to drive one, but only to compare it to the R34 for personal curiosity. Theres a reason I ordered a Mustang.

Plus, I really hope they take care of some of the inherent problems with the VQ series engines. A good friend is a Nissan Mechanic and he sees about 1 of them a month come in for a rebuild.



Can you shed some light on these inherent problems the VQ engine series has for me?? I'm NOT calling you a liar, just wondering. The VQ's have always been known for their reliability and good power characteristics, as well as efficiency and flexibility. I own a 350Z. I know 2 people w/ G35's, someone w/ a Murano, and numerous people w/ Altimas andMaximas. None of them have ever had any problems w/ the engines in their cars, and mine has run flawlessly since I bought it. But if you know something I don't, I'm all ears, especially since I'm gonna be modding mine.

Now, I am only going on what I was told but from what he says, alot of them have issues with the balancing in them. He sees alot of Z's come in in the 60K+ range that have just torn themselves apart. I'm not sure if its inherent to all of the VQ's or not (My wife had an Altima with a VQ25DEthat ran flawlessly as well) or just locally to the 350Z. From what I remember, he even said that its not ALL of them, but there was no pattern to the ones who did come in. One was owned by an older gentleman in his late 60's and used it to go to the golf course twice a week, another by a woman who used it as a "grocery getter", another by younger kid to commute to work. Couldn't even contribute it to a single type of driver or not.

It was mostly a passing conversation he and I had when I started shopping for a new car and I mentioned to him that I was seriously considering a 350Z.I should probably thank him because it was after that that I test drove a Mustang. :)

alright, this is to the "ricer" dude that just decided to bash everything about us. the skyline is a legendary car. i would never call the skyline a ricer, in fact, when i think of a ricer, i think of a retarded little honda civic or something along the 4-cylinder lines. this is a 6-cylinder car with an OUTSTANDING reputation worldwide. now as a devout mustang/muscle car fan, there are only a few import cars that i will respect. the supra, nsx, and the skyline...im sure i missed a few, but you get the point. on top of that, to be paying as much money as the skyline is going to cost, it better be able to compete with the gt500 or z06, id be pissed if it didnt. and it wont be something new to be getting walked on by an import. supras have been doing that for years now. but like many have said, the mustang and skyline are bought for different reasons, different approaches to racing. i like both approaches...when it comes to the skyline, not the civic...you dont see mustang owner slapping on an exhaust tip and revving as loud as he can. thats a ricer, not the skyline.

I think you'll find that the majority of domestic V8 muscle fans have respect for the imports that are intended as performance cars. Skylines, STI's, Evo's, 350Z's, Supras, RX-7's...............these are cars that were built to be performers. No true performance car enthusiast could dismiss these models. Most of the "ricer" namecalling done around here is aimed at young guys who take non-performance models like Civics, Accords, Sentras, etc.........and then do a few unimpressive mods that don't really make them fast (but still carry an attitude that they could beat anything on 4 wheels). Sure there are some awesome tuners out there that can turn out 10 sec. Civics and such........but let's face it. These guys don't even come close to qualifying as "ricers" if you ever sat down and talked shop with one. They are car guys like you and me.

That's my take on it........at least.

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147

Tell ya what......check out what rpms the GTR makes its max power at and then compare that to the rpm level that the GT500 makes its max power at. That's the difference between a 400+hp V6 and a 400+hp V8........it's called Torque. hehe. Plus, you have to figure that the Nissan is a turbocharged car....vs. the GT500 which is a supercharged car. There will be differences there too, and if Ford had made the GT500 a turbocharged 5.4 V8 powered car instead of supercharged........you'd be looking at a 700 to 900hp monster;)


it all just depends on boost level. and basically, ford just DECIDED not to make the gt500 any more powerful, but the powertrain is capable of a whole lot more. but then again, so is the skyline. when u get to cars of this level it doesnt matter what it makes from the factory. terminators, supras, skylines, and (i think) the GT500 all have forged internals, so most boost wins

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147

I think you'll find that the majority of domestic V8 muscle fans have respect for the imports that are intended as performance cars. Skylines, STI's, Evo's, 350Z's, Supras, RX-7's...............these are cars that were built to be performers. No true performance car enthusiast could dismiss these models. Most of the "ricer" namecalling done around here is aimed at young guys who take non-performance models like Civics, Accords, Sentras, etc.........and then do a few unimpressive mods that don't really make them fast (but still carry an attitude that they could beat anything on 4 wheels). Sure there are some awesome tuners out there that can turn out 10 sec. Civics and such........but let's face it. These guys don't even come close to qualifying as "ricers" if you ever sat down and talked shop with one. They are car guys like you and me.

That's my take on it........at least.


110% agree with you.

ORIGINAL: chris94stang

Well something that you have to realize is that the gtr is built and enginered for fast acceleration and the gt500 is mostly power and top speed so of course the gtr is going to be turbocharged. if it was super charged it would only push like 300-350 so mustang hands down


You sir... don't know what you are talking about.
GT500: Torque beast, high 0-60, good quarter. Top end? Not so much. The GT500 (actually any musclecar)is meant to be played with in between 0 and 120 mph.

Superchargers deliver instant power, at any RPM, there is no lag. So you'll be first off the line most of the time.
Turbochargers deliver power from about 2kup (depending on the engine and turbo), which grows with the increase in exhaust flow (aka, per RPM).

The last GTR was a god car, 4x4, insane quarter miles and handeling. I wonder if the "mainstream" one will deliver... I for one will be laughing when they end up in the shop. I don't like the electronic gismo's our mustangs have, but that is no where near the ammount of crap that the GTR will have. And when something goes wrong... good luck!

Im sorry but i love the shelby gt 500 but the new skyline while murder the shelby in every single cateogory.. Thats it plain and simple... Just wait till there out and then well have this topic again only itll be a little bit different. Do some research as far as "potential over stock" when you talk about a car. The skyline will make 700hp on the stock motor no problem.. Oh and out hadling the mustang will be a joke.. Like a 79 caddy trying to hang with a lotus.. Maybe not that bad but close.. lol

ORIGINAL: meanfox

Im sorry but i love the shelby gt 500 but the new skyline while murder the shelby in every single cateogory.. Thats it plain and simple... Just wait till there out and then well have this topic again only itll be a little bit different. Do some research as far as "potential over stock" when you talk about a car. The skyline will make 700hp on the stock motor no problem.. Oh and out hadling the mustang will be a joke.. Like a 79 caddy trying to hang with a lotus.. Maybe not that bad but close.. lol


:eek: there are a few cars out there that will handle that sort of power. the GT500 and terminator are a couple, and the supra is another. but when we get into this "omg the skyline *fwap fwap fwap fwap*"-fest people tend to forget a few things. the old ones ran in the 13's stock boys, no more. the new one is projected to be quite a beast, but I dont care what company the car comes from, u get what u pay for. if its a beast ur going to pay the price. and u will pay to mod. the fast skylines and supras out there (especially supras) cost a butt load to get fast AND streetable. and lets not forget the price of the car. i dont know what a skyline runs around here, but the 98 supra still bluebooks around 30k. u can get a nearly 10 year newer GT for that. hell, if i had invested just that into my TA i would be in the 10's, Code3 doesnt have a whole lot more than that invested including the cost of the vehicle and hes almost in the 11's NA in a 2v. so by the time u get one of these other cars and end up modding it u spend a small fortune. people will say this has nothing to do with anything, but it does. alot of us will say we would love to own a ferrari, but for the money id rather build up *blank*, same thing applies here, for the money alotted u can have a much faster car (well, if u go far enough with money all bets are off, u could be passed by a yugo with 300k in it....) and feel good about it.
this new skyline will be backed by NISMO, but it wont be cheap. lesson: you get what u pay for, regardless of country of origin.

and to put things in perspective, the infinity G35 is sold in japan under the name Skyline, they ditched the straight 6 a few years back and just started making these cars with the same platform as the Z

True that. I believe that the new Skyline will MSRP in the 60K range (from what I've read). So, for that much money.........it better DAMN well be badass from stem to stern.[>:]

And I agree on the modibility issue as well. Once you start talkin mods, all bets are off. Then you leave yourself open for that whole argument of someone being able to build a faster car with less money than it costs to buy a new Skyline. So it's better just not to go there. I have no doubts that it will be a great performing car........but I think holding it up to god status before it even hits the showroom floors is a bit overzealous.

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147

I think you'll find that the majority of domestic V8 muscle fans have respect for the imports that are intended as performance cars. Skylines, STI's, Evo's, 350Z's, Supras, RX-7's...............these are cars that were built to be performers. No true performance car enthusiast could dismiss these models. Most of the "ricer" namecalling done around here is aimed at young guys who take non-performance models like Civics, Accords, Sentras, etc.........and then do a few unimpressive mods that don't really make them fast (but still carry an attitude that they could beat anything on 4 wheels). Sure there are some awesome tuners out there that can turn out 10 sec. Civics and such........but let's face it. These guys don't even come close to qualifying as "ricers" if you ever sat down and talked shop with one. They are car guys like you and me.

That's my take on it........at least.


I could not possibly agree with this more. I am an American car guy and happen to prefer American cars, particularly Mustangs. That having been said that doesn't mean I don't absolutely DROOL over true import performance cars, I would LOVE to own a Supra or Skyline someday. Unfortunately real Japanese performance enthusiasts are given a bad name by the thousands of kids out there who buy a bone stock Civic, put a 4" fart cannon on it, and then zip in and out of traffic dangerously to prove how bada$$ they THINK they are.

Back to the original subject of the thread, will the new GTR be able to beat the GT500? Stock for stock, probably yeah. Can any car beat any other car once modding is brought into the equation? Probably yeah. Will I ever be able to afford either carsuch that this debate affects me in any way whatsoever? Probably not. LOL :D

deff spent like 20 mins reading everyone post and came to this answer. One we all hate people that own hondas with big butt holes, wings, and alot of gay stickers. Nissian made the new skyline to be fast but how many are they bringing over to the us? Cause i know ford made the GT500 so that morepeople could afford it and ford also had insurance in mind cause the new GT500 weight a god damn ton. so as far as the new new GTR being god like let us make the GT500 out of carbon fiber and run a smaller pulley for more boost and iam willing to bet well be right with you i know this is modding but lets get the cars as equal as possible if your going to be serious about it. iam sure some ricer is going to say he would put a turbo'ed 8 in the skyline but iam talkin about make it a fair race if ford really wanted to iam sure they could put a 700-800 horsepower engine in a 2200 pound car so could nissan so lets just leave it at ford is lookin ford sales and reliability you got to remember for wasn't doing to good but thankfully they have bounce back some what so lets just leave it at they are two totally different cars.
PS +1 lazer i am 19 and iam already lookin into buyin a house within the next 2-3 years so is the convo really have anything to do with most of the people here no. but who cares we all want one of those cars someday.

My only other comment is a searched for gt 500's on auto trader and i didnt see one for under 60k and some where all the way up to 80. Also i guess you guys dont undertand a turbo car compared to a supercharged car.. On a turbo motor thats built right i dont have to change anything.. I can turn a knob and gain up 15psi or more.. I dont have to change a pulley, get a good ecm program and spend hours on the dyno. Just my 2 cents.. I love all cars.. All cars that have time and great engineering in them. I drive a 89 coupe with a 351w for god sakes but i would take a skyline any day of the week. Doesnt get much hotter than a R34 in my book..

ORIGINAL: meanfox

My only other comment is a searched for gt 500's on auto trader and i didnt see one for under 60k and some where all the way up to 80. Also i guess you guys dont undertand a turbo car compared to a supercharged car.. On a turbo motor thats built right i dont have to change anything.. I can turn a knob and gain up 15psi or more.. I dont have to change a pulley, get a good ecm program and spend hours on the dyno. Just my 2 cents.. I love all cars.. All cars that have time and great engineering in them. I drive a 89 coupe with a 351w for god sakes but i would take a skyline any day of the week. Doesnt get much hotter than a R34 in my book..

I'm not soiling myself in anticipation of the GT-R's arrival, but even "I" would take one.........if someone were willing to hand me the keys.;) And as I and other's have said,putting the GT500side by side withthe GT-R is a really lopsided comparison. Put it against something in its MSRP range.........like the C6 Z06 (a car that is much more engineered towards handling than the Shelby).

And while the new GT500's are commanding asking prices of 75K or more.......that's not really the issue. The MSRP on a new GT500 is 41K (some 20K less than the GT-R). What someone is willing (and stupid enough) to payin outrageous markups doesn't factor into the production costs equation. Demand on the GT-R's when they see release could reach above 100K for all we know. So, despite its warts, the point is that the GT500 is (technically) the cheapest way to park a 500hp production car in your garage, period. But the shortcuts Ford took to get it that cheap mean that it won't be up to the quality and handling specs of the new GT-R, that's just the way it is.

ORIGINAL: 2001 mustang v6

i was reading road and track and the shelby GT500 as you all know v8 supercharged 500 hp, when i came across the GTR and i noticed the specs claiming a v6 turboed pushin out 450 hp. how is v6 GTR pumpin out so close to the shelby and why isnt the shelby putting more hp out?????


Because that's the way it's engineered. PERIOD

hay guys its not v6 its a v8 twin turbo...i think its 4.2l not sure but it is a v8 not v6..and there will be a 3.7l v6 new 350z coming out with 330 hp and 270tq

ORIGINAL: ill_Smoke_u

hay guys its not v6 its a v8 twin turbo...i think its 4.2l not sure but it is a v8 not v6..and there will be a 3.7l v6 new 350z coming out with 330 hp and 270tq



NO it isn't............... it's a V6.

Give me a GT500 Super Snake. 725 horses out of the box, no need to turn up the boost or anything. Just start the car, and go. Although it will never be sold for MSRP, the MSRP is 41 for the GT500 and 12 for the Super Snake from Shelby. That's $53,000 for a stock 725 hp machine. Cool. Yes, I'm sure it would roll by the GTR, and it will cost less. [8D]

As far as the prices, that's just what I got from here, the Nissan site, and the Ford site. Say what you will, Super Snake every day. :)

- C

ORIGINAL: meanfox

My only other comment is a searched for gt 500's on auto trader and i didnt see one for under 60k and some where all the way up to 80. Also i guess you guys dont undertand a turbo car compared to a supercharged car.. On a turbo motor thats built right i dont have to change anything.. I can turn a knob and gain up 15psi or more.. I dont have to change a pulley, get a good ecm program and spend hours on the dyno. Just my 2 cents.. I love all cars.. All cars that have time and great engineering in them. I drive a 89 coupe with a 351w for god sakes but i would take a skyline any day of the week. Doesnt get much hotter than a R34 in my book..


wait, are you telling me you dont have to retune your fuel and ignition maps when you change boost pressure? thats silly talk, lol
at best you will be running lean and not making much of an increase in hp/tq, at worst, she'll start tossing internals like its mardi gras

Ford has an "Ace" up its sleeve in the Super Snake, which will bethe car they want you to compare to the latest Viper, Vette, GT-R etc. The GT500 gets compared unfairly due to stealership mark ups. It was a 40k msrp car +the gasguzzler tax. People got bent over bad on that first run, especially since they improved it a year later with a KR, and now a Super Snake.

The GTR and Super Snake both sound awesome,BUTperformanceis speculation at this point, and both will rape your wallet if you want one no doubt. So no clear winners at this point.

Sorry all u mustang lovers, but the Nissan GT-R will be competing in the porsche 911 turbo/corvette Z06 league, which happens to be a much higher performance level than that of a Ford GT500. Now I know u guys love your mustangs, but let's be honest in saying that it is insulting for anyperformance car enthusiast to have to hear about a Ford GT500 being compared to other sports cars that are way out of its league.

^ I agree with all the electronic crap. I think the mustang is pretty simplebut I love nissans. I hope to buy a used GTR a year or two after it comes out but only if all is well.

How is it "Way" out of its league?

It's not even about leagues considering the two cars aren't even in the same class or built for the same purpose. I think that was the jist of what 3/4 of us have been trying to point out over the last 3 pages.:eek:

I can promise u there won't be very many ppl cross-shopping the GT-R with the GT500.

my thing is you buy a car for what it is not what it is not...the skyline is a great car, it deserves its props. lots of modability and plenty of performance. The mustang is in the same class as the camaro cheap power/fun. People did the same thing with the gt500 and gt-r as what happened with the camaro and 03' cobras. There are too many differences to compare them and built for different reasons. gt-r has a track racing heratige, mustang is a stoplight and 1/4 mile car really. Like many people have said before compare the Z06 to the gt-r its built with more of the same thought in mind or hell if u want compare the FC500GT mustang that was made for the track. Either way its a never ending debate over who is faster but when it comes down to it. I love supras, rx-7's, mustangs, camaros, vettes, evo, sti, etc b/c im a car enthusiast. i drive a mustang b/c i like the way it looks and i chose it over another f-body b/c i don't race anymore and the mustang engine sounds way better then the LS1 does even though it has 80 less ponies. Like a said u buy a car for what it is not what it isn't. The gt-r im sure will be a beast but bench racing is retarted, how many people that are like "omg its gonna rule the US streets" are actually gonna be driving one....very few im sure.

ORIGINAL: riceetr2525

The gt-r im sure will be a beast but bench racing is retarted, how many people that are like "omg its gonna rule the US streets" are actually gonna be driving one....very few im sure.

I can promise u this much........NO ONE who uses the phrase "omg its gonna rule the US streets" will be pimping a new GT-R anytime in the next 20 years. And while we're at it......NO one car rules the streets in the US. You can go spend 600K on the finest Italian sports car, and I don't even have to leave my state to find someone with a street car that will best it in acceleration or cornering.......or both. Fast factory cars get flogged by cheap home built hot rods all the time.

No one around here goes around saying about the new GT500:
"OMG it rules the US streets"......:eek:

Now before I get flamed for this post, please realize.........I'm not bashing the upcoming GT-R, nor defending the GT500 or any other muscle/pony car. I'm just taking shots at all the ppl who like to drool and boast over a car that isn't even a reality yet. In the automaker indrustry, you can't count your ducks until they're hatched and dynoed.;)

I believe at the 60k price point this car alienates most of the tuner crowd who don't like to "start off" with a car that expensive. In addition the look of the car isn't very distinctive as its very similar to the 350z so it won't be much of a pull up to the country club car. And finally, I believe it will have a hard time finding a place among the track crowd. With multiple AWD cars already available, it's not bringing anything to the table that fans will be willing to spend that much cash on.

Nice car but doomed from the get go.

E.

ORIGINAL: Sap

I believe at the 60k price point this car alienates most of the tuner crowd who don't like to "start off" with a car that expensive. In addition the look of the car isn't very distinctive as its very similar to the 350z so it won't be much of a pull up to the country club car. And finally, I believe it will have a hard time finding a place among the track crowd. With multiple AWD cars already available, it's not bringing anything to the table that fans will be willing to spend that much cash on.

Nice car but doomed from the get go.

E.





I'm gonna have to disagree w/ you on this one. First off, the upcoming GT-R doesn't look very much like a 350Z. The headlights are kinda somewhat similar-ish, but that's about it. And the people who buy this car are not the type of people who go to country clubs. It will be people who are into the Japanese tuning scene who have moved up from 3000GT's, RX7's, Evo's, 350Z's, etc and are interested in something that offers more performance and potential straight from the factory. Yeah, there will be the occasional car enthusiast who just likes them and buys one, and of course, the high roller who just buys one because he likes how it looks, whatever, but there is a target audience this car is intended for, and I assure you, they won't have trouble selling them. If people will pay $70K + for R34 GT-R's and $80K + for new NSX's before they stopped making them, I'm sure the GT-R will sell. Those two cars didn't have nowhere near the factoryperformance the GT-R will. As for the track crowd, it seems to me,most people are aware of the fact that the most effective way to have a good track car, is to buy something'cheap' and strip/mod it. For example, a Porsche 944, Nisssan 240SX w/ motor swap, Honda hatches w/ motor swaps, Miata's, car along those lines. Most people buying C6 Z06's, Vipers, Ferrari'setc, don't track them. And the new GT-R isn't just a track-only special like say a Lotus Elise. It could very easily be used as a daily driver, if one wanted, due to it's AWD, full interior, etc. All in all, I don't think Nissan will have any trouble selling GT-R's. Whether or not dealers will after ridiculous markups, is yet to be seen.......

I agree.

At which you simply reply a Corvette Z06, Dodge Viper or Ford GT would stomp a skyline! But since you don't own a skyline and I dont own one of those (actually I do own a viper but for the story we will assume I don't) what is your point?

Hey guys im new to forums and i would like to end this discussion first off i dont hate or look down domestics actually i was a mustang owner and now i own a nissan gtr but its a 93 besides that the post was about the shelby gt 500vs GTR08 its simple actually the shelbys will be less produced seeing as its a reserved i will agree that it will be a raw horsepower vechicle and if its from shelby it will have some perks from the exterior and interior and brains but all in all unless where you live its a 1/4 mile or 1/8 mile everywhere the weight of the car is funny especially for a rwd ive been driving for a long time and ive learned wether you solo race (track) or 1/4 mile its all about momentum, weight, and driveterrain i mean no **** you can smoke a fwd overly dressed gay honda but if you put a rwd on a track with aawd car its gonna have some trouble if the Mitsu evo9 can out run a lambo LP640 in a track you better believe that gtr will be on your ass the engine that nissan will use isnt the reliable RB26DETT itll be a variant from the Z a VQ that said its still near 500 and any true import enthusiast can pull the new engine out for the crazy potent RB26DETT whats so important about the RB ? think of it as the 427 its a engine that can pull over 1000whp and still be driven home nismo made their tuned down version called the Nismo GT-R Z tune wich pushes 500 whp 80% of the body is carbon fiber and the pipes including exhuast manifold are titanium if you put a shelby and gtr on a 1/4 mile the gt will get it off the line but the shelby might eventually pass it it all depends on the driver for either car but on a race track the Shelby will have oversteer problems which can be seen from the Viper cough cough ever steped hard on the pedal of your viper and have that tail come out too hard? its fun sure but it will lose track time. i think both cars are sweet if Nissan uses the ATTESA system for the awd of the GTR it maybe alittle heavier but i heard that the new AWD system nissan designed will be on it wich allows you to configure the central differential wich means you can adjust the car entirely depending on what car is at your side you also have the option of changing your damper setting and boost psi (bar in jpn) all from the drivers seat i think for the money it isnt a bad car, take this post as information and not hate please oh you can bet im buying this car anyone can who has a job :)

sending out respect :)

this may not be a gtr but d*** is it a fast evo its pushin 700 hp but yea its a mod

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=20898

its a good vid even though its decently off topic

and honsetly the new gtr looks like its american cousin the infinity G35 coupe

Actually Suikoden your correct the Infiniti trademark is a "luxury branch" of nissan of usa and the g35 coupe and sedan are known as Skylines in good old japan the difference of the japanese and american cars in this case is only the badge it carrys the engine is the same etc etc etc nice vid on that evo by the way the 08GTR is gonna look way different than the G35s running around now though carbon fiber bodie peanels etc the stance and the body lines are way sexier if you agree

i know it will look difrent from the g35 i think we'll all know what it is when we see one rollin down the street but compared to a concept pic on page 2 or maybe 1 it does resemble the g35

http://www.mustangforums.com/thumb.aspx?size=150&imgpath=upfiles/43347/C04AE422AEC04B67B55E803CF0A98418.jpg

Simply beautiful......No disrespect to all the american muscle guys here, but I've always dreamed of owning an R32, and while the GT500 is a gorgeous car and is definitely something to brag about (I saw one when I first moved out here to Cali and I started screaming like a little girl at an Nsync concert), I would still prefer the new Skyline. Although, driving a near stock v6 makes me want either one really.....but oh well, hopefully I can get a good job when I graduate and sign my life away to Nissan as I'm sure the markup will be horrendous for the new GT-R. Oh, and does anyone know if the new GT-R will have the 4 wheel turning, and is it true that you can get RHD on it? I searched online and talked to a buddy who works for a dealership and he didn't know....

Yeah, the 4-wheel steering will at least be available, prob not standard. And no, they won't sell a RHD version in the States.


I'd give my left nut, along w/ my Z for the new GT-R......[&:]

Well, I'll just add my input along with the import guys on this subject.

*ahem*

Spiderpig, Spiderpig, does whatever a Spiderpig does, Lookout! Here comes the Spiderpig!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XQ_GWKvDE0


- C

ps. If the GTRSX or whatever is so much more awesome, why would you still be nervous and intimidated when sitting at the red light next to a 500 horsepower muscle car? ;)

*edit*

http://www.car-list.com/newcars/2008/image/2008_nissan_gt-r.jpg

That's pretty fugly, looks like a crying catfish. [:'(]

It could be the fastest car ever created, or the best in cornering, which it will be neither, but it's still fugly.

Is there really a point to this mine is bigger than yours?

If you want a Skyline buy it! I know it will be fatser than my GT and the Slower than a Z06 or Viper which will be slower than a F70 Ferrari.

I really seriously doubt the GTR will be anything close to the price of a $24,000 Mustang GT. I suspect its natural competition will be the $50,000 C7 Vette (3200 lb and 500 bhp).