Im sorry but i love the shelby gt 500 but the new skyline while murder the shelby in every single cateogory.. Thats it plain and simple... Just wait till there out and then well have this topic again only itll be a little bit different. Do some research as far as "potential over stock" when you talk about a car. The skyline will make 700hp on the stock motor no problem.. Oh and out hadling the mustang will be a joke.. Like a 79 caddy trying to hang with a lotus.. Maybe not that bad but close.. lol
Im sorry but i love the shelby gt 500 but the new skyline while murder the shelby in every single cateogory.. Thats it plain and simple... Just wait till there out and then well have this topic again only itll be a little bit different. Do some research as far as "potential over stock" when you talk about a car. The skyline will make 700hp on the stock motor no problem.. Oh and out hadling the mustang will be a joke.. Like a 79 caddy trying to hang with a lotus.. Maybe not that bad but close.. lol
there are a few cars out there that will handle that sort of power. the GT500 and terminator are a couple, and the supra is another. but when we get into this "omg the skyline *fwap fwap fwap fwap*"-fest people tend to forget a few things. the old ones ran in the 13's stock boys, no more. the new one is projected to be quite a beast, but I dont care what company the car comes from, u get what u pay for. if its a beast ur going to pay the price. and u will pay to mod. the fast skylines and supras out there (especially supras) cost a butt load to get fast AND streetable. and lets not forget the price of the car. i dont know what a skyline runs around here, but the 98 supra still bluebooks around 30k. u can get a nearly 10 year newer GT for that. hell, if i had invested just that into my TA i would be in the 10's, Code3 doesnt have a whole lot more than that invested including the cost of the vehicle and hes almost in the 11's NA in a 2v. so by the time u get one of these other cars and end up modding it u spend a small fortune. people will say this has nothing to do with anything, but it does. alot of us will say we would love to own a ferrari, but for the money id rather build up *blank*, same thing applies here, for the money alotted u can have a much faster car (well, if u go far enough with money all bets are off, u could be passed by a yugo with 300k in it....) and feel good about it. this new skyline will be backed by NISMO, but it wont be cheap. lesson: you get what u pay for, regardless of country of origin.
and to put things in perspective, the infinity G35 is sold in japan under the name Skyline, they ditched the straight 6 a few years back and just started making these cars with the same platform as the Z
True that. I believe that the new Skyline will MSRP in the 60K range (from what I've read). So, for that much money.........it better DAMN well be badass from stem to stern.
And I agree on the modibility issue as well. Once you start talkin mods, all bets are off. Then you leave yourself open for that whole argument of someone being able to build a faster car with less money than it costs to buy a new Skyline. So it's better just not to go there. I have no doubts that it will be a great performing car........but I think holding it up to god status before it even hits the showroom floors is a bit overzealous.
I think you'll find that the majority of domestic V8 muscle fans have respect for the imports that are intended as performance cars. Skylines, STI's, Evo's, 350Z's, Supras, RX-7's...............these are cars that were built to be performers. No true performance car enthusiast could dismiss these models. Most of the "ricer" namecalling done around here is aimed at young guys who take non-performance models like Civics, Accords, Sentras, etc.........and then do a few unimpressive mods that don't really make them fast (but still carry an attitude that they could beat anything on 4 wheels). Sure there are some awesome tuners out there that can turn out 10 sec. Civics and such........but let's face it. These guys don't even come close to qualifying as "ricers" if you ever sat down and talked shop with one. They are car guys like you and me.
That's my take on it........at least.
I could not possibly agree with this more. I am an American car guy and happen to prefer American cars, particularly Mustangs. That having been said that doesn't mean I don't absolutely DROOL over true import performance cars, I would LOVE to own a Supra or Skyline someday. Unfortunately real Japanese performance enthusiasts are given a bad name by the thousands of kids out there who buy a bone stock Civic, put a 4" fart cannon on it, and then zip in and out of traffic dangerously to prove how bada$$ they THINK they are.
Back to the original subject of the thread, will the new GTR be able to beat the GT500? Stock for stock, probably yeah. Can any car beat any other car once modding is brought into the equation? Probably yeah. Will I ever be able to afford either car such that this debate affects me in any way whatsoever? Probably not. LOL
deff spent like 20 mins reading everyone post and came to this answer. One we all hate people that own hondas with big butt holes, wings, and alot of gay stickers. Nissian made the new skyline to be fast but how many are they bringing over to the us? Cause i know ford made the GT500 so that more people could afford it and ford also had insurance in mind cause the new GT500 weight a god damn ton. so as far as the new new GTR being god like let us make the GT500 out of carbon fiber and run a smaller pulley for more boost and iam willing to bet well be right with you i know this is modding but lets get the cars as equal as possible if your going to be serious about it. iam sure some ricer is going to say he would put a turbo'ed 8 in the skyline but iam talkin about make it a fair race if ford really wanted to iam sure they could put a 700-800 horsepower engine in a 2200 pound car so could nissan so lets just leave it at ford is lookin ford sales and reliability you got to remember for wasn't doing to good but thankfully they have bounce back some what so lets just leave it at they are two totally different cars. PS +1 lazer i am 19 and iam already lookin into buyin a house within the next 2-3 years so is the convo really have anything to do with most of the people here no. but who cares we all want one of those cars someday.
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My only other comment is a searched for gt 500's on auto trader and i didnt see one for under 60k and some where all the way up to 80. Also i guess you guys dont undertand a turbo car compared to a supercharged car.. On a turbo motor thats built right i dont have to change anything.. I can turn a knob and gain up 15psi or more.. I dont have to change a pulley, get a good ecm program and spend hours on the dyno. Just my 2 cents.. I love all cars.. All cars that have time and great engineering in them. I drive a 89 coupe with a 351w for god sakes but i would take a skyline any day of the week. Doesnt get much hotter than a R34 in my book..
My only other comment is a searched for gt 500's on auto trader and i didnt see one for under 60k and some where all the way up to 80. Also i guess you guys dont undertand a turbo car compared to a supercharged car.. On a turbo motor thats built right i dont have to change anything.. I can turn a knob and gain up 15psi or more.. I dont have to change a pulley, get a good ecm program and spend hours on the dyno. Just my 2 cents.. I love all cars.. All cars that have time and great engineering in them. I drive a 89 coupe with a 351w for god sakes but i would take a skyline any day of the week. Doesnt get much hotter than a R34 in my book..
I'm not soiling myself in anticipation of the GT-R's arrival, but even "I" would take one.........if someone were willing to hand me the keys. And as I and other's have said, putting the GT500 side by side with the GT-R is a really lopsided comparison. Put it against something in its MSRP range.........like the C6 Z06 (a car that is much more engineered towards handling than the Shelby).
And while the new GT500's are commanding asking prices of 75K or more.......that's not really the issue. The MSRP on a new GT500 is 41K (some 20K less than the GT-R). What someone is willing (and stupid enough) to pay in outrageous markups doesn't factor into the production costs equation. Demand on the GT-R's when they see release could reach above 100K for all we know. So, despite its warts, the point is that the GT500 is (technically) the cheapest way to park a 500hp production car in your garage, period. But the shortcuts Ford took to get it that cheap mean that it won't be up to the quality and handling specs of the new GT-R, that's just the way it is.
i was reading road and track and the shelby GT500 as you all know v8 supercharged 500 hp, when i came across the GTR and i noticed the specs claiming a v6 turboed pushin out 450 hp. how is v6 GTR pumpin out so close to the shelby and why isnt the shelby putting more hp out?????
hay guys its not v6 its a v8 twin turbo...i think its 4.2l not sure but it is a v8 not v6..and there will be a 3.7l v6 new 350z coming out with 330 hp and 270tq
hay guys its not v6 its a v8 twin turbo...i think its 4.2l not sure but it is a v8 not v6..and there will be a 3.7l v6 new 350z coming out with 330 hp and 270tq
NO it isn't............... it's a V6.
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I wanna be a nonconformist just like everyone else......
Give me a GT500 Super Snake. 725 horses out of the box, no need to turn up the boost or anything. Just start the car, and go. Although it will never be sold for MSRP, the MSRP is 41 for the GT500 and 12 for the Super Snake from Shelby. That's $53,000 for a stock 725 hp machine. Cool. Yes, I'm sure it would roll by the GTR, and it will cost less.
As far as the prices, that's just what I got from here, the Nissan site, and the Ford site. Say what you will, Super Snake every day.
My only other comment is a searched for gt 500's on auto trader and i didnt see one for under 60k and some where all the way up to 80. Also i guess you guys dont undertand a turbo car compared to a supercharged car.. On a turbo motor thats built right i dont have to change anything.. I can turn a knob and gain up 15psi or more.. I dont have to change a pulley, get a good ecm program and spend hours on the dyno. Just my 2 cents.. I love all cars.. All cars that have time and great engineering in them. I drive a 89 coupe with a 351w for god sakes but i would take a skyline any day of the week. Doesnt get much hotter than a R34 in my book..
wait, are you telling me you dont have to retune your fuel and ignition maps when you change boost pressure? thats silly talk, lol at best you will be running lean and not making much of an increase in hp/tq, at worst, she'll start tossing internals like its mardi gras
Ford has an "Ace" up its sleeve in the Super Snake, which will be the car they want you to compare to the latest Viper, Vette, GT-R etc. The GT500 gets compared unfairly due to stealership mark ups. It was a 40k msrp car + the gas guzzler tax. People got bent over bad on that first run, especially since they improved it a year later with a KR, and now a Super Snake.
The GTR and Super Snake both sound awesome, BUT performance is speculation at this point, and both will rape your wallet if you want one no doubt. So no clear winners at this point.
Sorry all u mustang lovers, but the Nissan GT-R will be competing in the porsche 911 turbo/corvette Z06 league, which happens to be a much higher performance level than that of a Ford GT500. Now I know u guys love your mustangs, but let's be honest in saying that it is insulting for any performance car enthusiast to have to hear about a Ford GT500 being compared to other sports cars that are way out of its league.
^ I agree with all the electronic crap. I think the mustang is pretty simple but I love nissans. I hope to buy a used GTR a year or two after it comes out but only if all is well.
It's not even about leagues considering the two cars aren't even in the same class or built for the same purpose. I think that was the jist of what 3/4 of us have been trying to point out over the last 3 pages.
I can promise u there won't be very many ppl cross-shopping the GT-R with the GT500.
my thing is you buy a car for what it is not what it is not...the skyline is a great car, it deserves its props. lots of modability and plenty of performance. The mustang is in the same class as the camaro cheap power/fun. People did the same thing with the gt500 and gt-r as what happened with the camaro and 03' cobras. There are too many differences to compare them and built for different reasons. gt-r has a track racing heratige, mustang is a stoplight and 1/4 mile car really. Like many people have said before compare the Z06 to the gt-r its built with more of the same thought in mind or hell if u want compare the FC500GT mustang that was made for the track. Either way its a never ending debate over who is faster but when it comes down to it. I love supras, rx-7's, mustangs, camaros, vettes, evo, sti, etc b/c im a car enthusiast. i drive a mustang b/c i like the way it looks and i chose it over another f-body b/c i don't race anymore and the mustang engine sounds way better then the LS1 does even though it has 80 less ponies. Like a said u buy a car for what it is not what it isn't. The gt-r im sure will be a beast but bench racing is retarted, how many people that are like "omg its gonna rule the US streets" are actually gonna be driving one....very few im sure.
The gt-r im sure will be a beast but bench racing is retarted, how many people that are like "omg its gonna rule the US streets" are actually gonna be driving one....very few im sure.
I can promise u this much........NO ONE who uses the phrase "omg its gonna rule the US streets" will be pimping a new GT-R anytime in the next 20 years. And while we're at it......NO one car rules the streets in the US. You can go spend 600K on the finest Italian sports car, and I don't even have to leave my state to find someone with a street car that will best it in acceleration or cornering.......or both. Fast factory cars get flogged by cheap home built hot rods all the time.
No one around here goes around saying about the new GT500: "OMG it rules the US streets"......
Now before I get flamed for this post, please realize.........I'm not bashing the upcoming GT-R, nor defending the GT500 or any other muscle/pony car. I'm just taking shots at all the ppl who like to drool and boast over a car that isn't even a reality yet. In the automaker indrustry, you can't count your ducks until they're hatched and dynoed.
I believe at the 60k price point this car alienates most of the tuner crowd who don't like to "start off" with a car that expensive. In addition the look of the car isn't very distinctive as its very similar to the 350z so it won't be much of a pull up to the country club car. And finally, I believe it will have a hard time finding a place among the track crowd. With multiple AWD cars already available, it's not bringing anything to the table that fans will be willing to spend that much cash on.
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there are a few cars out there that will handle that sort of power. the GT500 and terminator are a couple, and the supra is another. but when we get into this "omg the skyline *fwap fwap fwap fwap*"-fest people tend to forget a few things. the old ones ran in the 13's stock boys, no more. the new one is projected to be quite a beast, but I dont care what company the car comes from, u get what u pay for. if its a beast ur going to pay the price. and u will pay to mod. the fast skylines and supras out there (especially supras) cost a butt load to get fast AND streetable. and lets not forget the price of the car. i dont know what a skyline runs around here, but the 98 supra still bluebooks around 30k. u can get a nearly 10 year newer GT for that. hell, if i had invested just that into my TA i would be in the 10's, Code3 doesnt have a whole lot more than that invested including the cost of the vehicle and hes almost in the 11's NA in a 2v. so by the time u get one of these other cars and end up modding it u spend a small fortune. people will say this has nothing to do with anything, but it does. alot of us will say we would love to own a ferrari, but for the money id rather build up *blank*, same thing applies here, for the money alotted u can have a much faster car (well, if u go far enough with money all bets are off, u could be passed by a yugo with 300k in it....) and feel good about it. 
And as I and other's have said, putting the GT500 side by side with the GT-R is a really lopsided comparison. Put it against something in its MSRP range.........like the C6 Z06 (a car that is much more engineered towards handling than the Shelby). 
