I'm sorry to admit, but I'd take a new GTR over any fully built super duper mustang any day....call me crazy, but even over a Z06. I sat in an R34 which was only modded "mildly" and it was insane! The handling, the sound, the look, speed, it's just crazy. The AWD system in the Skyline is legendary. I know this new GTR is going to be great. Nissan wouldn't destroy the Skyline name with a crappy car.
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I was reading one of the big car magazines (dont remember which one) and they asked the question what will the GTR have to beat when it comes to america? They came up with the answer of the Porsche 911 Turbo, having the skyline beat the Z06 and the GT500. While I find this hard to believe, if it is true we will never hear the end of it.
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i hate having to put all of yall pony heads down, but the new 2008 GTR is 480hp with the turbos set at 10psi(from the factory), btw it has a boost controler in it so that the owner can turn it up the second that they get off of the lot... they've only got it set to 10psi so that can sell it in the U.S. its going to be capable of around 22-26psi stock, nissan isn't dumb like most of yall think they've built this car so that without changing any of the stock parts on this car it can handle anywhere from 770-860hp (720-815whp)<-STOCK (of course with the right tune), hahaha, sooooo, with all that said, us "RICERS"(those of us lucky & welthy enough to own one) WILL be walking all over your sorry "shelby GT500" so i say "BRING IT ON"
one more thing i realize that the majority of yall are bias to the "musle" cars, but if yall are going to have a thread about something like this PLEASE do your research on both of the cars that the thread is refering to before you go and run your mouths about a car that yall know little to nothing about at all, other then the fact that its an "import... and give respect where its deserved, because i respect that a mustang built the right way "could" beat my turbo teg, but that hasn't happened yet.... but the day that it does belive me, im not just gonna walk off saying "oh, he got lucky", "its still a POS mustang", ya get what im trying to say??? im gonna sit there and be like "DAMN thats one fast son of a b!#*h". so yeah thats all IMO of course...
Thanks for reading all the way through this long ass post and not being all like "F!#k THOSE RICERS", because not all of us are "ricers" most of us are car enthusiest's (yes, mostly imports) like you and your mustangs...belive me we(import lovers) as a group hate it just as much if not more so then you do, to see a riced out civic or 240sx with the 10 foot tall wing on the back, its like if somebody just took a baseball bat to your car and your forced to watch, and you have no say in it...
one more thing i realize that the majority of yall are bias to the "musle" cars, but if yall are going to have a thread about something like this PLEASE do your research on both of the cars that the thread is refering to before you go and run your mouths about a car that yall know little to nothing about at all,
Welcome to the forum. I respect your opinion, as even though this is your first post and you are here to defend the GTR, and have not started blasting away with 4 letter words, and I appreciate that, I must point out a flaw in your presentation.
The same as the Camaro club, the GTR, IS NOT OUT YET. there are no hardcore numbers or times anywhere, because it's not on the road. You basically have stated your opinion on what you THINK will be.
That being said, what do you think the price of the GTR will be? if it comes like you say it will, we're talking 60 - 80k easy. At first, there will be dealer markups, but when that passes, it will be 20 - 40k more than a GT500. IF things stay like you say.
More than likely it will not be like you say. I am not going to speculate on what it might or might not be, let's just wait. No use arguing and throwing words around, on the internet of all places. But if you wish to make argument:
take that 20 grand you saved buying the GT500 and it would rape the GTR. I mean really. Or you could get a GT, yes, a Ford GT that would destory it regardless.
Now the 20 grand into a GT500 and the Ford GT are proven machines. The camaro and gtr are not. When they hit the streets, we shall see. Until then, just relax.
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"The new Nissan GTR will come weighing in at 1390kg or 3058 pounds(unless Evo Spec not weighed at this point in time, mostly Carbon Fiber). The engine for the Nissan GTR had been decided once the car had finished testing. A VQ32DETT generating an 480ps @ 7,200rpm, 58.0kg/m @ 5,200rpm. The newly redesigned Nissan GTR's VQ32DETT powerplant will be capable of 1.86-2bar (27-29psi) from the factory, tuned down for the overconfident U.S. market, to a .69bar (10psi) factory tune, The transmission was chosen as well, a standard 6 speed manual transmission, and an optional 7 speed Getrag sequential transmission, which is sure to be overpowering. The Nissan GTR will be a 2 door coupe, with 4 bucket seats(Recaro), and will be availible in both left and right hand drive applications (buyers choice)."
Thanks for reading and not bashing -Jordan cough cough my turbo gsr teg could take it cough.. lol, jk, NO WAY IN HELL!!
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Still pretty pointless. The GT500 and the Skyline GTR are about as much in the same category as the Mustang GT and WRX STI.......two totally different approaches to performance for two totally different types of enthusiasts. Sorry, but tis true.
Well, I heard Japanese automakers have this thing where they can't build a street car past some like 300hp. Looking at their top cars, Nsx, TT supra, 350Z, Sti. I would be surprised if they came out with 400hp. But, like dude said earlier. Rumors are rumors. And I don't see anything wrong with recent RB26
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what i want to know is how a RX8 1.3 liter engine makes close to 240 hp and my 04 mustang 3.9 liter makes only 193! HOW DAMN IT! DAMN THEM IMPORT MAKERS! ok now im juss hating
Well does it make you happier to know that Ford owns Mazda?
That is pic of what the real GT-R will look like. Obviously, it is pretty much in the final stages of development, if they are testing the car on American publis roads. That photo was taken at a gas station in Arizona. When it comes in early-mid 2008 it's expected to start somewhere in the mid $60k's. Drivetrain will be a twin turbod 3.8l V6 expected to be codenamed VQ38HRTT. Power output is expected to be at least 450hp, with 475-485 more likely, and hinted at by people on the inside. Torque is expected to still be well into the 400's. Max engine is likely to be 7800-ish rpm. Of course it will be AWD. No word yet on whether it feature Nissan's four-wheel-steering technology. A true 6-speed manual will be standard, and there is talk of a paddle-shift sequential tran being offered. Brakes will be Brembos at least 14", although noone knows if ceramic ones will be offered. As w/ previous GT-R's, the tuning potential will be practically limitless. The RB26DETT that powered the previous models could easily support 600 hp on stock internals, and the new engine will be no different. Aftermarket support will also be huge. Suspension was co-developed w/ Lotus at the Nurburgring. Pretty much all the info I can give you guys. But like everyone else has said, the GT-R and GT500 will be vastly different machines. I'd personally take the GT-R any day, even over a Z06 or Viper. To each his own.
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I wanna be a nonconformist just like everyone else......
Well something that you have to realize is that the gtr is built and enginered for fast acceleration and the gt500 is mostly power and top speed so of course the gtr is going to be turbocharged. if it was super charged it would only push like 300-350 so mustang hands down
Okay, considering the 350Z's engine, the VQ35HR makes 306hp normally aspirated, and the GT-R's engine will be larger displacement than that, I'm sure it'd have more than 350 hp if were supercharged. Silly newb.
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I wanna be a nonconformist just like everyone else......
Just looking at the very last picture with the bra, it looks like a very slightly remodeled 350z. If it has 450 hp, they should have called it the 450 z, yes? I hope Nissan doesn't start the whole 1000 models that look the same like GM did, wait a sec....
When I lived in Japan while in the service, I owned an R34. I got it stock and it was an impressive car. With some minor fuel and boost control, it was a freaking monster. That being said, its a completely different type of animal from a Mustang. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to hand grenades. Yeah, they both have the same general shape but they serve VERY different purposes. The new R35 should be an interesting beast and I hope to get to drive one, but only to compare it to the R34 for personal curiosity. Theres a reason I ordered a Mustang.
Plus, I really hope they take care of some of the inherent problems with the VQ series engines. A good friend is a Nissan Mechanic and he sees about 1 of them a month come in for a rebuild.
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Just looking at the very last picture with the bra, it looks like a very slightly remodeled 350z. If it has 450 hp, they should have called it the 450 z, yes? I hope Nissan doesn't start the whole 1000 models that look the same like GM did, wait a sec....
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Because the car has nothing to do w/ the Z car lineage. It is the successor to the Skyline R-34 GT-R. The 350Z will be replaced w/ the 370Z in 2008. It will use the same engine powering the new Infiniti G35 coupe: VQ37HR, 330hp, 279tq.
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I wanna be a nonconformist just like everyone else......
When I lived in Japan while in the service, I owned an R34. I got it stock and it was an impressive car. With some minor fuel and boost control, it was a freaking monster. That being said, its a completely different type of animal from a Mustang. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to hand grenades. Yeah, they both have the same general shape but they serve VERY different purposes. The new R35 should be an interesting beast and I hope to get to drive one, but only to compare it to the R34 for personal curiosity. Theres a reason I ordered a Mustang.
Plus, I really hope they take care of some of the inherent problems with the VQ series engines. A good friend is a Nissan Mechanic and he sees about 1 of them a month come in for a rebuild.
Can you shed some light on these inherent problems the VQ engine series has for me?? I'm NOT calling you a liar, just wondering. The VQ's have always been known for their reliability and good power characteristics, as well as efficiency and flexibility. I own a 350Z. I know 2 people w/ G35's, someone w/ a Murano, and numerous people w/ Altimas and Maximas. None of them have ever had any problems w/ the engines in their cars, and mine has run flawlessly since I bought it. But if you know something I don't, I'm all ears, especially since I'm gonna be modding mine.
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Now, I am only going on what I was told but from what he says, alot of them have issues with the balancing in them. He sees alot of Z's come in in the 60K+ range that have just torn themselves apart. I'm not sure if its inherent to all of the VQ's or not (My wife had an Altima with a VQ25DE that ran flawlessly as well) or just locally to the 350Z. From what I remember, he even said that its not ALL of them, but there was no pattern to the ones who did come in. One was owned by an older gentleman in his late 60's and used it to go to the golf course twice a week, another by a woman who used it as a "grocery getter", another by younger kid to commute to work. Couldn't even contribute it to a single type of driver or not.
It was mostly a passing conversation he and I had when I started shopping for a new car and I mentioned to him that I was seriously considering a 350Z. I should probably thank him because it was after that that I test drove a Mustang. :)
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alright, this is to the "ricer" dude that just decided to bash everything about us. the skyline is a legendary car. i would never call the skyline a ricer, in fact, when i think of a ricer, i think of a retarded little honda civic or something along the 4-cylinder lines. this is a 6-cylinder car with an OUTSTANDING reputation worldwide. now as a devout mustang/muscle car fan, there are only a few import cars that i will respect. the supra, nsx, and the skyline...im sure i missed a few, but you get the point. on top of that, to be paying as much money as the skyline is going to cost, it better be able to compete with the gt500 or z06, id be pissed if it didnt. and it wont be something new to be getting walked on by an import. supras have been doing that for years now. but like many have said, the mustang and skyline are bought for different reasons, different approaches to racing. i like both approaches...when it comes to the skyline, not the civic...you dont see mustang owner slapping on an exhaust tip and revving as loud as he can. thats a ricer, not the skyline.
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I think you'll find that the majority of domestic V8 muscle fans have respect for the imports that are intended as performance cars. Skylines, STI's, Evo's, 350Z's, Supras, RX-7's...............these are cars that were built to be performers. No true performance car enthusiast could dismiss these models. Most of the "ricer" namecalling done around here is aimed at young guys who take non-performance models like Civics, Accords, Sentras, etc.........and then do a few unimpressive mods that don't really make them fast (but still carry an attitude that they could beat anything on 4 wheels). Sure there are some awesome tuners out there that can turn out 10 sec. Civics and such........but let's face it. These guys don't even come close to qualifying as "ricers" if you ever sat down and talked shop with one. They are car guys like you and me.
Tell ya what......check out what rpms the GTR makes its max power at and then compare that to the rpm level that the GT500 makes its max power at. That's the difference between a 400+hp V6 and a 400+hp V8........it's called Torque. hehe. Plus, you have to figure that the Nissan is a turbocharged car....vs. the GT500 which is a supercharged car. There will be differences there too, and if Ford had made the GT500 a turbocharged 5.4 V8 powered car instead of supercharged........you'd be looking at a 700 to 900hp monster
it all just depends on boost level. and basically, ford just DECIDED not to make the gt500 any more powerful, but the powertrain is capable of a whole lot more. but then again, so is the skyline. when u get to cars of this level it doesnt matter what it makes from the factory. terminators, supras, skylines, and (i think) the GT500 all have forged internals, so most boost wins
I think you'll find that the majority of domestic V8 muscle fans have respect for the imports that are intended as performance cars. Skylines, STI's, Evo's, 350Z's, Supras, RX-7's...............these are cars that were built to be performers. No true performance car enthusiast could dismiss these models. Most of the "ricer" namecalling done around here is aimed at young guys who take non-performance models like Civics, Accords, Sentras, etc.........and then do a few unimpressive mods that don't really make them fast (but still carry an attitude that they could beat anything on 4 wheels). Sure there are some awesome tuners out there that can turn out 10 sec. Civics and such........but let's face it. These guys don't even come close to qualifying as "ricers" if you ever sat down and talked shop with one. They are car guys like you and me.
That's my take on it........at least.
110% agree with you.
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Well something that you have to realize is that the gtr is built and enginered for fast acceleration and the gt500 is mostly power and top speed so of course the gtr is going to be turbocharged. if it was super charged it would only push like 300-350 so mustang hands down
You sir... don't know what you are talking about. GT500: Torque beast, high 0-60, good quarter. Top end? Not so much. The GT500 (actually any musclecar) is meant to be played with in between 0 and 120 mph.
Superchargers deliver instant power, at any RPM, there is no lag. So you'll be first off the line most of the time. Turbochargers deliver power from about 2k up (depending on the engine and turbo), which grows with the increase in exhaust flow (aka, per RPM).
The last GTR was a god car, 4x4, insane quarter miles and handeling. I wonder if the "mainstream" one will deliver... I for one will be laughing when they end up in the shop. I don't like the electronic gismo's our mustangs have, but that is no where near the ammount of crap that the GTR will have. And when something goes wrong... good luck!
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