I have never seen a chevy engine in a ford, and you would have to do some modifying to get it to fit. personally i like all domestic cars, and i hate imports wich are the real problem and i think we should be against them instead of our fellow car manufacturers
YOU FORD FU CKS ARE UNBELIVABLE. HOW ABOUT WE COMPARE THE FORD SMALL BLOCK AND THE CHEVY SMALL BLOCK!
EVER WONDERED WHY JUST ABOUT EVERY 40'S FORD HOT ROD YOU SEE HAS A GM ENGINE. I'M SURE USER NAME 1975SSNOVA WILL AGREE WITH ME!
I have never seen a chevy engine in a ford, and you would have to do some modifying to get it to fit. personally i like all domestic cars, and i hate imports wich are the real problem and i think we should be against them instead of our fellow car manufacturers
People put the small block Chevy's in hot rods all the time. They are much cheaper and easier to mod than comparable engines for that time period. Take a look at a Summit Racing catalogue...why do you think they have so many smal block chevy parts in it?
I just read the Maro is scheduled to come out in '09 and I hope it's good because I wouldn't mind buying one. Price range will probably be like the 'Stangs but the challenger is gonna own them all for about 40-45k
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You know what, all their doing is trying to screw with your mind and tell you all these different dates that are a big a$$ lie. Bob Lutz doesn't know what the hell is goin on and from what I heard they didnt have the bankroll just yet and they were still trying to work out all the plant details up in Canada. Something with a contract they signed a long time ago, I'm not sure, All I know is that I used to have a Camaro, and I loved it, but you know what, Chevy screwed themselves. They didnt want to stand behind their products and went all ridiculous with their stupid ugly compact pieces of crap. An Aveo??? Are you serious I'd rather drive lawn mower, how much more queer can you get. Quality is not there anymore. I was excited about hearing the news about the new Camaro, and was all over the Camaro boards but i'm sorry GM blows and they dont care about their heritage or performance cars. They still put supercharged V6's in their Monte Carlo's and Grand Prixs. Yea that's what I want a $35000 ugly a$$ superchraged v6 so i can be real cool and race Mustangs.....Forget It GM is done the Corvette is barely hanging in there and that's all they got goin for them. But that's just my opinion. My GT is my first ford, and you know what......I'm never goin back to GM...Nothing can compare. My Camaro wasn't half the car my mustang is, Once i go ford I don't go back !
i wouldnt knock on the GM performance division. they are the ones who are out powering your 3v v8 with 2 valve pushrod engines. fact is GM produces more Horsepower and probably always will. also i wouldnt knock the GM performance division because if you watch a little speed channel youd know they built a cobalt for a time attack event and took first all around even had the fastest time of the day. IT BEAT A ****ING SKYLINE AND AN EVO. most of the parts on it were stock. so what was that?
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first off the gt500 doesn't come close to the z06 when they compared the gt500 to the corvette it wasn't even the z06 it was the regular c6 corvette and im pretty sure the c6 was just as fast so the z06 is not even on the same level and how are u gonna compare a modded supercharged car to a stock n/a car it makes no sense especially when they both go for aroung the same price, and for all of you that say that a ford gt40 will crap on a z06 look again the z06 does the 1/4 in 12 flat while the gt does it in 12.2 and if u want to compare top speed the gt goes about 205 to the corvettes 198 and ya and look at the price tag u can get the corvette z06 for about 65-70 while your paying 100,000 plus for the gt ya i see gm coming out on top of this argument. And dont even compare a regular gt to a z28 becuase there is no comparison and that is a fact.
Hello you guys, didnt ya hear that the z06 dipped into the 10s with dot slicks and a good driver. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A MUSTANG ANYTHING TO A CORVETTE????? they dominate the racetracks and still you oval guys dont give respect where its deserved. I got on here to see what ford guys talk about but I now see that there is mostly bs thrown around and around with a few guys being the exception. Guess I am just used to Pennoks Fiero Forum where it is almost completely civilized and people even respect the occasional jap car when due. I guess I am even sorry I joined so soon, shouldve realized its mostly a bunch of kids bickering. Oh ya, I hope the new Camaro stomps the livin crap out of the Stangs, and good luck beatin the Challanger in the retro area. That thing is like a rebirth. Another thing, LONG LIVE GM LONG LIVE GM LONG LIVE GM LONG LIVE GM
So your response for combating ignorance is to use stupidity? Hmmm...........+1 for you!
Seriously, delinquent fanboys come in all shapes and sizes.....I would think you'd know this by now. You honestly think that only Ford/Mustang guys can be uninformed, overly biased punks? Well, then you haven't met some of the GM guys I work with.
You want some give and take chatter, go to Street/Strip section. There are plenty of ppl on this site that know about and respect cars other than Fords and Mustangs.......myself being one of them. Just don't expect me to respect to your ride and then be shining happy when you turn around and smack talk my car just 'cuz it's a mustang (and I know you guys do it). I'd be willing to bet there isn't much positive talk about the new Mustang on your forums, so don't bitch about guys on this site not feeling any love for the new Camaro concept. FWIW, more than half the GM guys I mentioned above think the new Camaro is gonna flop too......so be careful what you assume of ppl's allegiances. If you don't wanna hear that....just stick to your forums and stop worrying about what us poor lil "Mustang folk" think of your cars. Thank you.
Actually, Lots of guys on PFF have an 05 mustang. Its there family car, since Fieros only have 2 seats and all. There are very few people that trash talk on our forum because we have a ratings system, too many bad ratings and your gone. Takes care of all the trash. You guys should take a look at the forum and see what you think. Thanks, Drew
P.S. My dad is a GM guy but he bought an 05 Mustang. Times have changed, Its not ford vs chevy, its domestics vs imports and we need to remember, if either company goes down the toilet, we are prolly skrewed as a country.
Actually, Lots of guys on PFF have an 05 mustang. Its there family car, since Fieros only have 2 seats and all. There are very few people that trash talk on our forum because we have a ratings system, too many bad ratings and your gone. Takes care of all the trash. You guys should take a look at the forum and see what you think. Thanks, Drew
P.S. My dad is a GM guy but he bought an 05 Mustang. Times have changed, Its not ford vs chevy, its domestics vs imports and we need to remember, if either company goes down the toilet, we are prolly skrewed as a country.
I agree with everything you just said. Just don't allow yourself to dip down to the level of the ****talkers. I know it's hard, but you know how some ppl are........and you can't ever change their minds. And as I said, if you want in on some interesting inter-brand car talk.......head to our Street/Strip section. The moderators in there keep things level, some of them owning GM performance cars themselves.
I wish we had a bad post reporting system on this board, but it hasn't happened yet. Trash talk really doesn't accomplish anything and I don't care for it myself.........even if its coming from a fellow mustang fan.
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Just to let people know, the new Camaro is projected to top out performance wise around the $40k mark. Once that car hits, the GT500 will stop selling at such a markup and will be in the same price catagory. $ for $, the GT500 will be able to smoke the camaro in power and performance.
Remember that this was the problem with the last gen Camaro. The Average Z-28/TransAm, was just above $30k, which was, at the time, Cobra territory. Unfortunately, stupid magazine editors never compared the Cobra with the F-body cars, they allways used the GT, which at the time was about $22k - $25k equally equiped.
People never got it right, the high end F-body was never really designed to compete with the GT, it was designed to compete with the Cobra.
Here is something to think about, these are in no ways facts to my knowledge as to what is going to happen, but These were taken from a survey From Hot Rod, Now They are going to use a t-56 with pretty similuar ratios I would imagine, but The rears they are talking about 4:10's, 4 different engine options/car they are....Z/28 PACKAGE 300hp 5.3L V8..dont really see this one but oh well, SS350 PACKAGE 400hp 6.0L LS2, this sounds reasonable, SS427 PACKAGE 500HP LS7. I can see this as well since they did this back in 69, they had 2 back then L78 i believe was one and ZL1 was the other, 2 different 427's.....And Finally, Not too sure about this one but, a ZL1 PACKAGE 600HP Supercharged LS9.....This could possible happen for only one thing I can think of, Blue Devil...GM announced it would build the 100K Corvette with the Stingray name plate featuring a 600hp Supercharged V8....
"With the latest supercar horsepower tango pouring out of Europe, GM can't stand to see the already potent 500hp Corvette Z06 gazed down upon as a second rate supercar. Instead GM is developing an alleged supercharged 600hp Z06 with carbon fiber components dubbed the "Blue Devil" as reported by Autoweek in a recent interview with General Motors vice chairman Bob Lutz. With a curb weight hovering around 2900 lbs. and a price tag starting at $100,000 the European competition should be breaking into a cold sweat as the Blue Devil seen here making laps around Germany's Nurbürgring passes by"
And another thing to think about for those that say the engines are crap....Back in Dec I Hydrostatic locked my engine in a Bad storm, I had a friend of mine who races and builds mustangs help with the swap of a new engine, when we were going through the block...and Ive know this this fact already, His comment was that this engine...LS1 was like nothing he was used to seeing...IE the components in it were race style components......And for those of you who actually do work on your cars know whats its like to run with race components versus Street Components, Its give and take, Performance for durabliity, And if you baby any car your gonna have it last longer than those of use that Flogg the living hell out of them. I didnt buy my Camaro to baby it. I bought it to have fun and race. And being in Europe now....Well lets just say I get to hit the 170mph "GOV" mind you often on the Auto strada and I couldnt feel safer, granted my car is not stock either. Im fine with 500 ponies for now until someone beats me then Ill go back into performance, but for now im working on safety, and handling. And if I can We recently got a soldier here from germany, with a GT...kinda like a Elenor edition, its pretty sweet looking, Ill see if I cannot get a Pic for you guys.
PS....Have fun with your Speed Limits..LOL, I know Im enjoying not having them
I think it's sweet that the Euro-exotic car makers are sweatin the lil ole American vette so much. And they should get the sweating out of the way now cuz I think the SS/Blue Devil/Sting Ray Corvette is gonna leave them sniffing exhaust fumes on the road courses.
BTW, must be nice to have freeways that are devoid of speed limits. The only non-speed limited roadways there seems to be in the U.S. are only a 1/4 mile long.
As I use to work for ford, and I was a part of ford racing, I know what Ford is capable of behind the curtains of all your stangs. I now work for chevy, and am actually looking foward to the new Camaro. The new Camaro is not coming with the LS2 that you saw in the GTO's, however it will weigh in near the 3900-4000lb mark. The new Z28 from what I've been working with in Chevy is going to have the LS3 with L92 cylinder heads. There has also been talk about making a supercharged Z28 that will have a roots-style blower.
As I have worked for both Ford and Chevy, I know their capabilities, and they are both great producers. GM in general has made quite a few cars I would love to see your stangs match =). I had a GM Typhoon and Cyclone (if you new kids don't know what that is, look it up.) I sold the typhoon a friend completely stock. He has that AWD turbo'd v6 pushing over 600 HP, wooping up on z06 corvettes, vipers, and plenty of other high dollar cars. I would love to see your stangs race his typhoon. Without a rolling start on the quarter you would get destroyed by an AWD launch.
Ford and GM/Chevy are both great companies with great cars, and I have much respect for them both, but honestly, I think stock wise the new Z28 will destroy the GT's. You also have to put into play how good of a driver you are =). I'm sure half of the people on here aren't nearly as good as they think they are, but I'm sure a handfull of you are great drivers.
But don't get cocky on your raw power, because if you can't handle it, you have no chance.
-Ty-
< Message edited by PureMuscleLover -- 4/30/2007 3:09:49 PM >
It's starting to become very apparent how lopsided the next generation pony wars are gonna be. The new Camaro and Challenger are obviously taking the high road..........IRS, luxury ameneties, big NA motors........all with big price tags. The Mustang base models will remain less frilly, lower powered, lighter, and cheaper. This will make direct comparisons very difficult. Unfortunately for GM and DCX, they will be alienating quite a few hot rodders out there who are fond of taking relatively cheaper models and modding them up into powerhouses. For the Camaro-faithful hotrodders, it looks like their future road to cheap strip glory will involve buying the V6 models and dropping crate motors into them.
And ya know, I've started to realize in the last year or two that Ford seemingly never intended the GT model to compete with the Z28's/SS's/TA's. It was a simple base model V8 powered mustang for those who didn't want to be caught in a wimpy V6......but weren't all that concerned with HP competition. Of course, for those of us who DO care about how we stack up against the competition in our GT's, they insured a rich aftermarket (especially with the current mustangs) so that we could turn our 87 octane burning 300hp ponies into something far more sinister.
And I don't see anything changing in the future where the GT model is concerned. It will remain the base set V8 model, and Ford will bring in the SE models (such as the Boss, Mach 1, and Cobra) to go head to head with the higher powered competition........as it has in the past 10 years.
As for everyone making big waves by comparing the Mustang to the Corvette.........WTF? A low weight, high powered 2 seater sportscar compared to a heavier, 4 seater performance coupe?.........yea, that's a level headed argument. No offense to the GM supporters, but stick to putting your support behind the future GTO's and Camaro's......and stop resorting to the Corvette to make yourself feel better about GM's current competition against the Mustang. The future's wide open, but for now.......GM doesn't have anything in the Mustang's price/performance segment that competes. And that is why the Camaro is being resurrected.
You're right, I agree people should never compare the mustang with the vette. It's too different of a car to put in the same category. I myself have 3 corvette's and love them, and I spank mustangs daily in my ZR1, but I don't go around bashing mustangs and saying GM is better because I can take stangs in my ZR1 vette. As I said in my previous post, it's usually dependent on the driver, I have been driving since I was 5, racing stock cars and such. My family is a huge car family, and I've been tinkering on cars since around 10 years old. I love mustangs, especially the old fast backs and the fox bodies, the new ones are nice as well, so I feel all you stang lovers out there too, but I also feel you GM lovers. But all in all, it depends on 1. the driver, 2. how much damn money you put in the car. 3. whether it's strip or street =)
There is plenty that can come into play when you compare cars, it's not all just raw hp, like most of these kids are claiming.
I guess one of the reasons for the recent onslaught of Mustang/Vette comparisons has been the emergence of the new GT500. But even with 500hp, the new Shelby really isn't meant to be a Vette killer......and I sincerely pity the Ford rep(s) that ever came out in public making that claim. Sorry, but a 3900lb pony car vs. a 2900-3100lb sportster isn't gonna be a pretty comparison performance wise...........unless the HP gap is huge.
And besides which, I think it does a disservice to both cars to pit them against each other. The Corvette and the Mustang are America's enduring automotive icons. Try talking cars with ppl anywhere in the world and then bring up American cars, and the name Corvette or Mustang is SURE to come up. I've known a number of ppl who have owned mustangs and vettes at the same time, and enjoyed them both. They go together like a nice slice of American pie
I had a fox body stang that I LOVED even though they were heavy as a bitch, that's nothing a nice crate engine can't help. Lol, this is when I only had my 2 vettes, the ZR1, and the one in the garage in my pics =P. And yes, I loved owning them both, and driving them both. As I said I'm a big supporter of both GM and Ford, and have loved driving both for years. Unfortunately some dick hit my fox body and totaled it...I kept it and salvaged its parts...which are now hopefully going to another new fox body in the near future.
Lol, as you all being mustang lovers I was going to say, if anyone wants a hopped up 95 Z28 Camaro, I'm selling one =) 385 HP at the wheels, and new paint. =P
I agree with you completely ThisBlood147, atleast some people have some intelect in this forum. =)
< Message edited by PureMuscleLover -- 5/1/2007 12:11:48 AM >
Your comparing a true sports car (corvette) to a sporty coupe (mustang). Of course I would expect the Corvette to be a faster car. The Mustang is more to be compared with Camero's, Monte Carlo's, GTO's. Different class of vehicle. Really shouldnt ever come up.
You want something to compare to the Z06 then you talk Ford GT or a Viper.. Those 3 are in the racing type class.
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And they should get the sweating out of the way now cuz I think the SS/Blue Devil/Sting Ray Corvette is gonna leave them sniffing exhaust fumes on the road courses. 
