well its about time, i got a crack at one tonight, took him from a dig and from a roll. From a dig put about 5 cars on him to about 80. From a roll about 3 cars at about 90, tried a fly by too but i just let him go, he got the point.....im happy i got a chance at one of these there pretty rare around here

nice man how much power are you making

look at his sig...

my bad i didnt even read it. man you should have beaten him you out power and trq him all around they arnt that fast. and you cant be that much heavier than him

i did beat him:D read the post carefully

i know that is what i was saying that he never had a chance. i was complimenting you on the kill, not bashing you

my mistake , thanks man for the congrats.......those things are pretty quick, on par or better than a stock GT with a few mods they are deadly

my friend just got one and he wants to race me think he can take me

Nice kill. I'm really surprised you beat him, and by how much you beat him. Those things usually run low 14's stock, and auto GT's usually run mid 14's stock. And from a roll those things are usually deadly, but nice kill none the less.

How did you beat a SRT-4 with under 260whp?

I belive you took him from a dig but from a roll I don't think so. Both cars have about the same whp but the SRT-4 weighs much less and has top end and more high rpm pull vs a GT.

yeah i'm not feeling the roll one either because if you beat him by that much i need to see proof or BS!

i dont doubt that he could beat an older, stock srt4...

one problem with the SRT4 is the regular lack of the good driver mod...much like the cobalt ss people...

bad drivers buy cheap cars.

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yeah i'm not feeling the roll one either because if you beat him by that much i need to see proof or BS!


what the? lol

I believe it, he's got 4.10s and a few accompanying modifications. That and he's tuned.

These cars are drivers races in stock form, who knows what the SRT4 had done to it... might not have had anything.


I just can't believe I saw a Mustang guy calling BS on a Mustang beating an SRT4... lol

I'm not saying I dont believe it, I'm just saying from experience and me owning a GT with an automatic, I cant believe he won from a roll. I've raced a couple SRT 4's from rolls and got beat by about 4 cars up til about 90 from 40. I've never had the priviledge of racing one from a dig. I just think it would take more than a few bolt ons and a tune to beat one by 3 or 4 cars from a roll. From a dig I think he could probably beat one by a couple of cars. An SRT 4 being a 14.0-14.2 second car, I think with his mods and tune he could be low 14's too.

maybe he wasnt a good driver? idk just passing along the story........he makes 230hp? so what would that be at the wheels?.....im putting 249 to the wheels and i have the 4.10's i would be pretty pissed if i didnt win:D

ORIGINAL: stanggang1892

maybe he wasnt a good driver? idk just passing along the story........he makes 230hp? so what would that be at the wheels?.....im putting 249 to the wheels and i have the 4.10's i would be pretty pissed if i didnt win:D


Yeah your right about the numbers, and I believe stock, GT's put down about 230-235, and SRT 4's put down about 210 or alittle more, and SRT 4's can beat GT's. Hell, I've raced a 92 5.0 GT in my Celica GTS and I beat him. He has what, 225hp, compared to my 180, but I only weigh 2500lbs in my Celica. Yeah hp does make a difference in races, but when a car weighs over 3,000lbs and another weighs 2500 or so, that makes more of a difference. Aint it, every 100lbs is like .1 seconds?

ORIGINAL: yellowcobra

yeah i'm not feeling the roll one either because if you beat him by that much i need to see proof or BS!


What proof do you need to see? THe guy wasted a srt4 in a nicley modified gt....srt4s are quick but they aint that fast.

ORIGINAL: Mach1

ORIGINAL: yellowcobra

yeah i'm not feeling the roll one either because if you beat him by that much i need to see proof or BS!


What proof do you need to see? THe guy wasted a srt4 in a nicley modified gt....srt4s are quick but they aint that fast.


Your right too, but an automatic GT with a few bolt on's beating an SRT 4 from a roll, and by like 3 cars, thats a bad driver mod. Not taken anything away from the GT, since I own one myself, but hey, a win is a win.

SRT-4's actually put down 220-230HP at the wheels, the 2004+ will be on the higher end of that scale since they had the better ECM.

To bad 249 RWHP is considered a nicely modded Mustang.

cody! long time no post! how ya been?

ORIGINAL: codyss

To bad 249 RWHP is considered a nicely modded Mustang.



A) I hate you.

B) how many times has your car been raped by a stock mustang gt

C) cobaltaleres are gay. GAY GAY GAY

i will always remember the night last summer when i was leaving denny's at 3am to go home. an srt4 pulls up, and my friend jumps out of my car and waves a $5 bill at them trying to race. they comment on "just a GT" and agree. we pull out on the road and he bltches out of running for a nickel bill but will still run. from a 40 roll i put about 4-5 car lengths on him by 120. then he asks to go from a dig and said he missed a gear, so we stop at a green light (3am, remember?) and i honk 3 times and we take off. i pulled over a car length in the first 60', and had 6 cars on him by 110 where i just put a thumbs up out the window and kept going home. the race was a joke. of course i ran a 13 flat with that same setup a month later, so i had a distinct advantage lol.

btw, cavabalts are indeed homo-erotic

I thought SRT-4's are 240 BHP. That means that they would put down around 200-210 FWHP assuming a 15% drivetrain loss.

If a stock GT would race a stock SRT-4 from a dig which will hardly ever happen, the GT would rape it. 4cylinder front wheel drivers are pussies and wont race from a stop cause they have no torque and cant launch hard cause they will spin the little wheels off.

No front wheel drive car will race me from a stop cause all they have to do is look at my nitrous pressure gauge and big 10.5" slicks out back.

1- Guess what headturningV8 I don't give a ****!!!!!!

2- Zero, Zip, None

3 - A) Cobalt and Cavalier share 0 parts
B) My what ever you want to call it would kill your GT with ease

the 1973 and 1974 mustang shared no parts...but theyre still all mustangs...;)

nothing was stopping this new slug from being called the cavalier, shy of the fact that GM is grasping ANYTHING that might keep them out of bankruptcy court...and trying to shed the "cavaliers are girls cars" image was one move..too bad it didnt work.

you mean they even use different screws and non-copper-core wire? what do they use in place of abs plastic? carpet? hardened steel frame? im joking obviously

yeah they are pretty rare around here too as well as the Cobalt SS. i did happen to meet up to one on the highway thursday and lets just say it wasn't good for him. but i happen to like these cars so it is what it is.

DILO2001GT, What are your mods?

As for Cavalier and Cobalts who cares what there called it's a $22,000 car that handles like a Vette, brakes like a Vette and runs low 14's @ 99mph bone stock. Throw $650 at it for Stage 2 and you know have a $21,650 that runs mid 13's @ 104mph + and still gets 28MPG cruising at 70mph and has 100% of it's warranty intact.

Anyone can argue a SRT-4 will be faster for less mony but all of the money in the world won't change the fact that it's still a Dodge Neon and has four doors.

The only thing I hate is the FWD launches...............

a couple bolt ons and nitrous

ORIGINAL: codyss

1- Guess what headturningV8 I don't give a ****!!!!!!

2- Zero, Zip, None

3 - A) Cobalt and Cavalier share 0 parts
B) My what ever you want to call it would kill your GT with ease




be carefull.... lol.. theres a lot of fast gts out there..

oh and i have witnessed the ss and redline turning 93-95mph traps not 99. this at sea level.

geez guys i didnt want to turn this into a war....we all know that an Srt4 or the cobalt can be made fast with money as is the case with any car, but at the end of the day the SRT4 is still a neon and the Cobalt is still a warmed over cavy (although i would take one ANY DAY over an SRT4) Heres the way i look at it, i got my car for 16,500, its a Mustang which is a car rich in history and nostalga. It has a V8 engine that when modded can be made insanely fast with the right amount of $ and kno how. Plus the girls love it! On the other hand the dude i raced i went to HS with. He got the car used for 18K. No matter how u cut it its always going to be a Neon and its always going to be 4 cylinders short of a real engine. (there i said it 4cyls are kitty cars and i kno u can make them fast bla bla bla but put that same $$ into a V8 and its game over) . And the kid cant get laid to save his life. Just my .02

I was speaking to headturningV8, I know GT's can be made fast and I know some are here.

i kno u were cody i wasnt directing it at u, i was just on my soapbox there for a min

Thats OK, I wasn't trying to give you a hard time either.

I love eating SRT-4's more than anyone here.

i actually enjoyed driving the cobalt ss, it was very fun and responsive. it was 23k bucks for a 14 sec car, but mustangs where the same price when they were brand new also. but i dont consider the cobalt ss as a girl car though

Congrats on the win

cobalts suck and mustangs suck

ORIGINAL: phillip

i actually enjoyed driving the cobalt ss, it was very fun and responsive. it was 23k bucks for a 14 sec car, but mustangs where the same price when they were brand new also. but i dont consider the cobalt ss as a girl car though


In 2005 the base Mustang GT Deluxe was around $25, in 2004 a GT Deluxe was around $24. If you find a Cobalt SS/SC that hasn't been dealer whored with options the MSRP is $22,000.

ORIGINAL: codyss

DILO2001GT, What are your mods?

As for Cavalier and Cobalts who cares what there called it's a $22,000 car that handles like a Vette, brakes like a Vette and runs low 14's @ 99mph bone stock. Throw $650 at it for Stage 2 and you know have a $21,650 that runs mid 13's @ 104mph + and still gets 28MPG cruising at 70mph and has 100% of it's warranty intact.

Anyone can argue a SRT-4 will be faster for less mony but all of the money in the world won't change the fact that it's still a Dodge Neon and has four doors.

The only thing I hate is the FWD launches...............


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ... omg i gotta stop , that was too funny

Cobalts are so gay and so slow. they run high to mid 14s on a good day. A saturn redline would roll ur cavabolt up and smoke it. ur cr is nothing like a vette except that they came from the same manufacturer.

did u also say ur car will beat mine ???? i challenge you. turn up the boost or something , because i SMOKE cavabolt ss's all day

You telling me that you little 4 cylinder will eat up stanggang1892 and DILO2001GT ?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I would love to see that. I dought that a STOCK cobalt SS will run a low 14 at 99 mph. Front wheel drives suck!
BTW: Isn't this a mustang forum? why dont you go on a cobalt forum?

What are you two dumb@sses laughing at?

WLingle92lx can you read?

HeadturningV8 you better be running 13.5 @ 105 or better or I will really embarass you.

By the way do you even know that the Redline and Cobalt SS share the same engine, chassis & trans?

Thats what I thought, so shut the **** up................................

Did you ever run your car at the track?

I've only had the pleasure of racing one SRT-4 and it was on the freeway acouple weeks ago like a day after I put the AEM brute force intake, DiabloSport Tuner and NX kit on my GTO... I figured the guy was modded so I sprayed him:( it was pretty sad, I think my calculation was off by the time I hit 155mph he was to far back to count the lenths[sm=laughat.gif] I slowed down to race him without spraying but he wouldn't pull up next to me???[:o] I also raced one of those cobalt SS the supercharged one but that was with the STI I set the torque 90/10 to the rear (50/50 power distribution to the diffs makes it a slug from a roll) needless to say I had at least 5 cars on him by 140mph but he did put up a decent fight till about 115mph (launched at 80mph)

A) Who the **** races to 155mph

B) Your STi must have been modded, from my experience when stock STi's were a close race
from a roll.

What year is your GTO? If it was an 04 the SRT-4 would have given you a good run from a roll.

am i the only one whoe enjoys all these cars? lol

i don't like to bash cars and enjoy seeing more sport cars on the road. it makes it more fun and broadens the aftremarket world to produce more parts/new-better parts to compete with each other.

i also don't believe that people should hate cars cause of the drivers. its always the age. every time i talk to someone thats really young regardless of it being a mustang or srt or cobalt they seem to think they are the sh!t. i have talked to older people at the track with cobalts and srt's and they are all really cool and alot of them have said that they have owned a few stangs over the years.

ORIGINAL: codyss

What are you two dumb@sses laughing at?

WLingle92lx can you read?

HeadturningV8 you better be running 13.5 @ 105 or better or I will really embarass you.

By the way do you even know that the Redline and Cobalt SS share the same engine, chassis & trans?

Thats what I thought, so shut the **** up................................





STFU you homo. I need a slip to even consider believing you running a 13.5 , i might even need a video.
U embarass yourself everyday by getting inside that P.O.S and thinking you're cool. I ddint know both those gay ass cars shared the same worthless motor and same worthless trans and chasis. I dont really pay much attention to shyt cars.

missy elliot: "step to me, get burnt like toast"

can i get in on a race? piiick meeee pick meeee!

Me too:D

JK!

Take it easy on the guy. It just what he prefers. You drive a Mustang, he drives a Cobalt. I would mind having a cobalt but it just not one of those cars that I would race.

ORIGINAL: codyss

A) Who the **** races to 155mph

B) Your STi must have been modded, from my experience when stock STi's were a close race
from a roll.

What year is your GTO? If it was an 04 the SRT-4 would have given you a good run from a roll.


My is an 04 what do you mean

Who races to 155mph? people who have cars that could get there fast enough thats who!!! it only takes my GTO about 3/4-1 mile to go from 80mph to 155mph

As for the STI its bone stock (other then a turbo timer) everyone trys to make it seem like these cars are slugs from a roll but its just that most owners are tooooo stupid to know how to use the DCCD the STI come equiped with....

ORIGINAL: eindow

ORIGINAL: codyss

A) Who the **** races to 155mph

B) Your STi must have been modded, from my experience when stock STi's were a close race
from a roll.

What year is your GTO? If it was an 04 the SRT-4 would have given you a good run from a roll.


My is an 04 what do you mean

Who races to 155mph? people who have cars that could get there fast enough thats who!!! it only takes my GTO about 3/4-1 mile to go from 80mph to 155mph

As for the STI its bone stock (other then a turbo timer) everyone trys to make it seem like these cars are slugs from a roll but its just that most owners are tooooo stupid to know how to use the DCCD the STI come equiped with....

Nah, what's REALLY stupid is when you set the DCCD to LOCK and do a 7krpm clutch dump while launching! You will get the most glorious launch ever known to man, but you will also have history's shortest lifespan of a differential :D

ORIGINAL: WRXtranceformed

ORIGINAL: eindow

ORIGINAL: codyss

A) Who the **** races to 155mph

B) Your STi must have been modded, from my experience when stock STi's were a close race
from a roll.

What year is your GTO? If it was an 04 the SRT-4 would have given you a good run from a roll.


My is an 04 what do you mean

Who races to 155mph? people who have cars that could get there fast enough thats who!!! it only takes my GTO about 3/4-1 mile to go from 80mph to 155mph

As for the STI its bone stock (other then a turbo timer) everyone trys to make it seem like these cars are slugs from a roll but its just that most owners are tooooo stupid to know how to use the DCCD the STI come equiped with....

Nah, what's REALLY stupid is when you set the DCCD to LOCK and do a 7krpm clutch dump while launching! You will get the most glorious launch ever known to man, but you will also have history's shortest lifespan of a differential :D


It is fun doing it though[sm=badbadbad.gif] isn't it[:-]

If my transmission, axles, and or diff start to break and I have the cash to upgrade them, I'll try it and catch it on tape =p

So WRXTrans have you raced your car from a roll before and if you have I'm sure you set the torque 90/10 to the rear right???

Yeah I've played around with the DCCD from both a roll and a stop, but I honestly don't notice that much of a difference. My car pulled hard as **** either way.

ORIGINAL: Hash06

my friend just got one and he wants to race me think he can take me


yes he will take you. Get a PI swap and it may be a different story.

ORIGINAL: WRXtranceformed

Yeah I've played around with the DCCD from both a roll and a stop, but I honestly don't notice that much of a difference. My car pulled hard as **** either way.


I noticed the difference by running the same car twice from a roll (my boy 04 gt) with DCCD on auto I put 2 cars on him from 80-140mph but the it set to 90/10 I put about 3 1/2 cars on him, you could really feel the difference once you go past 130mph... Truth be told I expected these cars to be alot slower from a roll but once you drive one it changes your whole perspective...

ORIGINAL: eindow


ORIGINAL: WRXtranceformed

Yeah I've played around with the DCCD from both a roll and a stop, but I honestly don't notice that much of a difference. My car pulled hard as **** either way.


I noticed the difference by running the same car twice from a roll (my boy 04 gt) with DCCD on auto I put 2 cars on him from 80-140mph but the it set to 90/10 I put about 3 1/2 cars on him, you could really feel the difference once you go past 130mph... Truth be told I expected these cars to be alot slower from a roll but once you drive one it changes your whole perspective...


Gotcha. I've never experimented with it at that high of speeds. Honestly, I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've gone faster than 100mph on a public road in both my old stage 4 WRX and my "newer" STI.

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ORIGINAL: eindow


ORIGINAL: WRXtranceformed

Yeah I've played around with the DCCD from both a roll and a stop, but I honestly don't notice that much of a difference. My car pulled hard as **** either way.


I noticed the difference by running the same car twice from a roll (my boy 04 gt) with DCCD on auto I put 2 cars on him from 80-140mph but the it set to 90/10 I put about 3 1/2 cars on him, you could really feel the difference once you go past 130mph... Truth be told I expected these cars to be alot slower from a roll but once you drive one it changes your whole perspective...


Gotcha. I've never experimented with it at that high of speeds. Honestly, I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've gone faster than 100mph on a public road in both my old stage 4 WRX and my "newer" STI.


Well now you know bro, hopefully it will come in handy for you someday...:D

headturningV8, Lay off the crack pipe.

By the way you refer to my car I can tell your a jack ass from the word go.

My car has weighs 2900lbs and has 255WHP yours don't........................

ORIGINAL: codyss

headturningV8, Lay off the crack pipe.

By the way you refer to my car I can tell your a jack ass from the word go.

My car has weighs 2900lbs and has 255WHP yours don't........................



Are you kidding me?? seriously am i getting punk'd or somthing? where are the cameras at?

your car is deffinitly not running 13's , you dont make 255 whp, ive beaten every fagbolt ss ive raced badly (and redline) and you are a queer claiming stg 2 blah blah blah my car is this and that. just shut up w/ some dignity , all ur doing is spouting off w/ BS to act like a MAN , man

GMPP Stage 2, what's that a supercharger upgrade? If it is he could be making 255WHP.

yeah , but i also said he CLAIMED IT. did you know i had a LS1 in my car? and a vortech SC , i run 12's

are you being serious or are you just trying to prove a point that you could claim you have anything. I can't detect sarcasm from reading text.

sarcasim like a mofo

Im gunna need some pics(of HIS CAR) , a reciept , n e thing - to make that claim legit


wanna hear more sarcasim?? I love cobalts ss's. they're so cool. I like them because they're comparable to corvettes, right cody?

I will admit that they are in no way shape or form comparable to corvettes performance wise, but they are not horrible cars.

saw my first ever cavabolt ss on the road yesterday...driven by some 40yr old fat bltch...

i have raced 2 cobalt SS's and destroyed them badly. One time a guy and his GF were next to me and his GF said "my boyfriends gonna smoke you" hahaha [sm=badbadbad.gif] the other one called me a "dumbestic" hmmm where are chevys made?:eek: seems like the majority of them are driven by high school kids aroud here but idk with that upgrade GM package Cody has he might be able to do some damage as we all have seen with the stage 1-3 SRT4

upgrade package=pulley ;)...i so *could* believe a 13.5. i would like to see proof of it though.

headturningV8 The more you talk the dumber you look.

A) You refer to cars you dislike using homosexual references is there something we don't know?

B) You didn't even know that Redline is to Cobalt as Camaro is to Firebird.

You obviously have access to the internet so look around and find out the facts about Cobalt SS/SC's and what they can do with 260WHP.

Then look in the mirror and you will see a complete Dumb@ss.;)

I don't doubt your 13.5 1/4 mile time if you have a pulley upgrade with supporting mods. I just want to see the dyno result that indicates you have 255 WHP because the stock horsepower to the CRANK is a little under 200 on the cobalt. And that is WITH the supercharger.

^^^^ yeah, what he said

In 4th gear which is a .98 OD ratio a 100% stock Cobalt SS/SC will easily have more than 200WHP. The lowest I have seen so far was 215WHP and that was on a car that had only 900 miles on it.

Please read up before you claim a SS/SC has less than 200WHP!!!!!!

As for Stage 2 it includes:
- 3" pulley which ups boost from 12psi to 15psi
- Full ECM Re-Flash
- Larger Injectors 42 lbs/hr

Nice couple of runs man. :) Sorry your thread has been highjacked. Still an amusing read though.

Hey headturningV8 you called a car gay then quoted Missy Elliot. [&:] j/k

If certain posters would only educate themselves before typing away.........

ORIGINAL: breyton

Nice couple of runs man. :) Sorry your thread has been highjacked. Still an amusing read though.

Hey headturningV8 you called a car gay then quoted Missy Elliot. [&:] j/k



I dunno missy is a gangstar, i bet she could whoop codys ass, lol




cody, thanks for ur GM knowledge , now where the dyno sheet (proof)

ORIGINAL: codyss

How did you beat a SRT-4 with under 260whp?

I belive you took him from a dig but from a roll I don't think so. Both cars have about the same whp but the SRT-4 weighs much less and has top end and more high rpm pull vs a GT.



srt-4s do not make as much whp as a mustang GT stock, let alone what he has now :eek:. they are much lighter, so they should take a GT in the quarter by a little, but its not hard to make that up. and 4.10 gears help alot

Interesting, my stock 2003 SRT4 put down 227whp and 258wtq. The part thats hard to believe is how many cars you pulled on him, stock in the 1/8th mile I ran an 9.01 @ 82.13 and finished out to a 13.906 @ 101 I noticed you ran 8.89 @ 80 so I think that might be why people might be arguing is considering the car lengths. The only reason it doesn't sound too fishy to me is because of your 4.10 gears.

Good Kill, from an SRT owner!

Fine...... then im just going to go out on a limb and say that the mustang is by far the best designed sports car of our time, in each generation. we have u SRT-4s and cobalts who put down way more hp than advertised, god forbid we mention the almighty ls1 :eek:. If a 2900 lbs car with as much hp and tq as a 3300lbs mustang only pulls .1 greater in the quarter we have a serious problem. I wont be so bold as to say that all the drivers of these cars just suck, so hey, we wont place fault on anything with these cars. it must just be that the mustang is far superior to be able to haul an extra 400 lbs of ass down that track with the same amount of power with the same times. and lets not forget our chevy v8 friends either. i wont say that they dont have the 350 hp their owners claim, but if thats true the 13.6 average times seem pretty piss poor (and I did alot of research at the advise of JD, and this IS a pretty standard number, with anything significantly lower standing all alone, and therefore, untrustworthy). A mustang dynoing at 290 whp (thats a 60 whp increase over stock) will do well better than that.
on a side note, Ford must be the only company competent enough to accurately rate their vehicles, since everyone else out there claims that they are underrated enough to dyno at or above their advertised bhp.

[/rant]

ORIGINAL: codyss

In 4th gear which is a .98 OD ratio a 100% stock Cobalt SS/SC will easily have more than 200WHP. The lowest I have seen so far was 215WHP and that was on a car that had only 900 miles on it.

Please read up before you claim a SS/SC has less than 200WHP!!!!!!

As for Stage 2 it includes:
- 3" pulley which ups boost from 12psi to 15psi
- Full ECM Re-Flash
- Larger Injectors 42 lbs/hr



Dude... Chevrolet claims that the Cobalt has 205 Horsepower and that is for the 2006 model, which would be at the CRANK. (I think I read somewhere that the first cobalt ss supercharged had 190 HP) Unless they seriously under rated it, which I doubt, how can it go through a 15% power loss and have 215 horsepower at the WHEELS?

cant we all just get along??????

so1o2k3, Do you belive everything that GM says, does the LS1 really have only 325HP?

For one last time please read this closely:
GM rated the Cobalt at 205HP at 5600rpm which it is but it's HP contiues to grow from there. The stock redline was 6500rpm and by then it is making 215-220WHP.

The Stage 2 Re-Flash raises the redline to 7000rpm, power peaks right around 6800rpm now and the next shift drops it right into the powerband each time.

As for you headturningV8 I haven't dynoed mine since adding Stage 2 but I am pretty sure I will have the same results as the other 50 Cobalt SS/SC's with Stage 2.

ORIGINAL: headturningV8


ORIGINAL: breyton

Nice couple of runs man. :) Sorry your thread has been highjacked. Still an amusing read though.

Hey headturningV8 you called a car gay then quoted Missy Elliot. [&:] j/k



I dunno missy is a gangstar, i bet she could whoop codys ass, lol



I do believe Missy owns a Lamborghini so she could indeed whoop codyss.

Well actually I have whooped on my share of Diablos, they beat me from a dig but from a roll I kill them.



























Just kidding

nice kill brother
im so sick of being told the srt4 is king of the streets

I have never heard the SRT being called the "King of the Streets".

i just wish ford would get with the program and release a turbo 4cyl of their own (like an RS focus or something) [sm=smiley6.gif] otherwise i might just consider an SRT-4 or cobalt SS as my next DD/winter beater (can't believe i just said that [:o])

Welcome to the club HC, I knew you would turn to the dark side eventually! And stick with the SRT, lol!

i didn't say i was switching for sure [sm=smiley36.gif] ...ford just may have something out by the time i decide i want to part with the ZX3 and get something else. or i just might go with my original plan i had for it before i got the stang and stick a T3/T4 in it[8D] ...but as long as i'm not done modding the notch (if ever), i doubt that will happen.

ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE

i just wish ford would get with the program and release a turbo 4cyl of their own (like an RS focus or something) [sm=smiley6.gif] otherwise i might just consider an SRT-4 or cobalt SS as my next DD/winter beater (can't believe i just said that [:o])


Go with an 02+ RSX Type S or 00+ Celica GTS.

I cant either. :D

No imports. Keep it domestic!!

ORIGINAL: STANMAN

No imports. Keep it domestic!!


Why? I own an 01 GT and a Toyota Celica GTS, and must say that the Celica is much much more fun to drive. And after a few mods can beat pre 05 GT's. I dont know if the Stang would be funner to drive if it was a 5spd, but the 6spd in the Celica is awesome.

if i were to get an import i'd probably go with an STI or EVO... but honestly i really don't plan on switching anytime soon, even though the focus lacks in the balls department, i'm still having a good time carving the corners with it, and it does what i expected it to do when i bought it, wich is be a fun little cheap econobox.

ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE

if i were to get an import i'd probably go with an STI or EVO... but honestly i really don't plan on switching anytime soon, even though the focus lacks in the balls department, i'm still having a good time carving the corners with it, and it does what i expected it to do when i bought it, wich is be a fun little cheap econobox.


I guess if you plan on spending $20,000 or more than these 2 would be for you. A Celica GTS or RSX Type S can be had for under $14,000.

well you see i'm not "planning on spending" anything at all ...so i'm just talking out of my ass and farting out some posts:D

ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE

well you see i'm not "planning on spending" anything at all ...so i'm just talking out of my ass and farting out some posts:D


LOL. I know you said you didnt plan on it, but you kept going on about what you would get, so I figured you were serious.

ORIGINAL: 01SilverGT


ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE

if i were to get an import i'd probably go with an STI or EVO... but honestly i really don't plan on switching anytime soon, even though the focus lacks in the balls department, i'm still having a good time carving the corners with it, and it does what i expected it to do when i bought it, wich is be a fun little cheap econobox.


I guess if you plan on spending $20,000 or more than these 2 would be for you. A Celica GTS or RSX Type S can be had for under $14,000.

You can get a used EVO for ~$20,000, which is leaps and bounds more of a car than a Celica or RSX. I picked up my STI for $21,000.

ORIGINAL: WRXtranceformed

ORIGINAL: 01SilverGT


ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE

if i were to get an import i'd probably go with an STI or EVO... but honestly i really don't plan on switching anytime soon, even though the focus lacks in the balls department, i'm still having a good time carving the corners with it, and it does what i expected it to do when i bought it, wich is be a fun little cheap econobox.


I guess if you plan on spending $20,000 or more than these 2 would be for you. A Celica GTS or RSX Type S can be had for under $14,000.

You can get a used EVO for ~$20,000, which is leaps and bounds more of a car than a Celica or RSX. I picked up my STI for $21,000.


I'm sorry you have to have a 4 banger with a turbo to take down the v8 beasts. Wonder how much money it would take the base model lancer to run 13's, probably alot, and I'm talking N/A. For only about $1500.00 I could get a Celica GTS into the 13's. And then come the ported heads and cams, that would be low 13's, and then DR's, ohhh my god do we have 12's, yes we do.

lol where the hell did that come from [&:]

ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE

lol where the hell did that come from [&:]


WRXtranceformed was talking about the EVO and STI being the **** and the Celica aint nothing, so I was just puttin in my $.02 on that matter. LOL

When it comes to performance 4 cylinders the Celica GTS isn't even on the same page as STi's, SS/SC's or SRT-4's.

Put $1,500 in any of those and you will be in the 12's without head work.

ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE

i just wish ford would get with the program and release a turbo 4cyl of their own (like an RS focus or something) [sm=smiley6.gif] otherwise i might just consider an SRT-4 or cobalt SS as my next DD/winter beater (can't believe i just said that [:o])


I know what you mean. Ford is really dropping the ball. They need to do something about their current selection of cars. The new Focus has been out for a while in Europe and has gotten really good reviews. If you check out Ford's UK website you can take a look. The same chassis is used in the Volvo S40 and Mazda 3. I've driven the 3 and it's a fun little car. Ford claims the new Focus is too expensive and upscale for our market. [&:]

ORIGINAL: codyss

When it comes to performance 4 cylinders the Celica GTS isn't even on the same page as STi's, SS/SC's or SRT-4's.




why did u add the SS/SC into that list? they're slow...remember?


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A stock SS/SC is a drivers race for your car from a dig and will win from a roll so what does that make your car then?

By the way whats so head turning about you car?

It can't be that its rare since you have 1 of 300,000 silver GT's and it isn't because it's super fast or that it looks different.........

You think your being funny but in the real world your just a little bitch.

ORIGINAL: codyss

A stock SS/SC is a drivers race for your car from a dig and will win from a roll so what does that make your car then?

By the way whats so head turning about you car?

It can't be that its rare since you have 1 of 300,000 silver GT's and it isn't because it's super fast or that it looks different.........

You think your being funny but in the real world your just a little bitch.


you drive a cavabolt and your maturity level reflects the resulting inferiority complex.

ORIGINAL: 01SilverGT
I'm sorry you have to have a 4 banger with a turbo to take down the v8 beasts. Wonder how much money it would take the base model lancer to run 13's, probably alot, and I'm talking N/A. For only about $1500.00 I could get a Celica GTS into the 13's. And then come the ported heads and cams, that would be low 13's, and then DR's, ohhh my god do we have 12's, yes we do.

I'm sorry you have to have twice the displacement AND a blower on your V8 to hang with my boosted 4 banger ;)

A "Lancer" is not an EVO. The Lancer is not designed to be a sports car, even the OZ Rally Edition like my younger brother has. They are econoboxes designed for commuting. My friend put $1800 into his EVO MR and ran a 12.2 on a slipping clutch. He raced a redneck asshole coworker in a Camaro who forced him to shut him up at the strip.

I'm just curious, and I'm not saying it's not possible, but I would like to see a timeslip of a N/A Celica in the 12s. Without like $10,000 invested into it.

ORIGINAL: codyss

When it comes to performance 4 cylinders the Celica GTS isn't even on the same page as STi's, SS/SC's or SRT-4's.

Put $1,500 in any of those and you will be in the 12's without head work.


first of all, i like how u put the ss/sc in the same class as these other cars :eek:. I happened to race a new STi with 1500 put in it and its hitting 13.3. parts for those cars aint cheap anyway. most of the "fast" STis and srt-4s are still in the 12s. and a couple months ago an srt-4 hit 10s on video and everyone got all kinds of excited :eek:.


and welcome back cody, i forsee this thread being locked soon :D

ORIGINAL: WRXtranceformed

ORIGINAL: 01SilverGT
I'm sorry you have to have a 4 banger with a turbo to take down the v8 beasts. Wonder how much money it would take the base model lancer to run 13's, probably alot, and I'm talking N/A. For only about $1500.00 I could get a Celica GTS into the 13's. And then come the ported heads and cams, that would be low 13's, and then DR's, ohhh my god do we have 12's, yes we do.

I'm sorry you have to have twice the displacement AND a blower on your V8 to hang with my boosted 4 banger ;)

A "Lancer" is not an EVO. The Lancer is not designed to be a sports car, even the OZ Rally Edition like my younger brother has. They are econoboxes designed for commuting. My friend put $1800 into his EVO MR and ran a 12.2 on a slipping clutch. He raced a redneck asshole coworker in a Camaro who forced him to shut him up at the strip.

I'm just curious, and I'm not saying it's not possible, but I would like to see a timeslip of a N/A Celica in the 12s. Without like $10,000 invested into it.

I'm not sayin its already been done. But I talk to plenty of guys on a Celica forum and they have ran 13.5-13.6 with exhaust, intake, a tune, and some DR's. And they just got done finishing cams for the Celica, so I think with cams and ported heads, they would be real close to 12's.

ORIGINAL: codyss

When it comes to performance 4 cylinders the Celica GTS isn't even on the same page as STi's, SS/SC's or SRT-4's.

Put $1,500 in any of those and you will be in the 12's without head work.


You are so full of yourself when you post stuff about your Cobalt being on par with STI's and SRT 4's. Your car is a mid to high 14 second car, face the F*CKING facts bro. I know of a few guys that have ran 14.6-14.7 in a stock Celica GTS, which is what you run stock yourself. You may know alittle about Cobalts, not even Cavaliers, but you must not know anything about Celicas or other imports and most definately not Mustangs, if you think a stock SS/SC Cobalt can beat a 99-04 GT. Just plain jane stupid and ignorant.

When a full interior street car can hit 10's and not be a trailer queen, people should get "all kinds of excited", it's a pretty rare thing!

And although every Lancer is not an EVO, every EVO is a Lancer. The Evo is Mitsu's SRT-4, a hopped up version of it's cheapest econobox. Only the $18000 price difference between an SRT-4 and an Evo is a little hard to swallow if you ask me. If you put that $18000 into an SRT, you would have the 10 second street car that everyone was oohing and aaahing about.

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You are so full of yourself when you post stuff about your Cobalt being on par with STI's and SRT 4's. Your car is a mid to high 14 second car, face the F*CKING facts bro. I know of a few guys that have ran 14.6-14.7 in a stock Celica GTS, which is what you run stock yourself. You may know alittle about Cobalts, not even Cavaliers, but you must not know anything about Celicas or other imports and most definately not Mustangs, if you think a stock SS/SC Cobalt can beat a 99-04 GT. Just plain jane stupid and ignorant.
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You and some of the others are the ignorant ones, your complete lack of knowledge and Fast and the Furious complex have you blinded. Not to mention it seems that no one can read anything besides whats on Mustang Forums.

HERE IT IS IS PLAIN ENGLISH BUDDY

2003 SRT-4 = 215-220WHP
2004-2005 SRT-4 = 220-230WHP
2005-2006 COBALT SS/SC = 218-225WHP
1999-2004 MUSTANG GT = 225-230WHP

I know more about Musatangs then you ever will 01SilverGT, and Celicas don't run 14.6-14.7

And like Mustang GT's and any other car when it isn't driven right the best performance won't be seen. Sorry bro but calling the Cobalt SS/SC a high 14 second car is pure brainlessness at it's best.

If stupid people like you wouldn't fill forums with trash like this I wouldn't have to " boast " about my car.

Cody , whats it like over there in fantasy land?

a 99-04 will raaaaaaaaaaaaape a stock super slow supercharged queerbalt.

the day i lose to one ill shave my head

I bet you wouldn't be willing to say the same about an SRT-4. You would be bald as soon as I could get to "a little town called none of your damn business". If you lived close to me, I would come and race you just to shut you up for crying out loud!!!

You better start carring a clippers in your car ya big tit baby.

stan , why are u even talking , no1's talkin 2 you. what are u gunna race me in ? the neon w/ 50k into it? let me borrow 50k... ill put that econobox to shame.

cody, you're dreaming is crossing over into reality and u dont even realize it. Cobalts are slow. Every clown ive asked that owns 1 has either run high 14's or worse (ive talked to 5 ppl)

oh yeah , and u asked why my car turns head (my head isnt up my ass on this one) the first week i got my car an old spanish lady made the motion for me to roll down my window " thats a really cool car you have".

about two months ago im sitting at a light and a lady whipped out a camera and got out her window to take a picture of my car. NO LIE. and i dunno if its just mustang gts that make people look , but every time i look at another fast car, sure enough they're already lookin at mine.

cody: "my mom always told i couldnt handle the V8, its too much car for me"

ORIGINAL: headturningV8


stan , why are u even talking , no1's talkin 2 you. what are u gunna race me in ? the neon w/ 50k into it? let me borrow 50k... ill put that econobox to shame.

cody, you're dreaming is crossing over into reality and u dont even realize it. Cobalts are slow. Every clown ive asked that owns 1 has either run high 14's or worse (ive talked to 5 ppl)

oh yeah , and u asked why my car turns head (my head isnt up my ass on this one) the first week i got my car an old spanish lady made the motion for me to roll down my window " thats a really cool car you have".

about two months ago im sitting at a light and a lady whipped out a camera and got out her window to take a picture of my car. NO LIE. and i dunno if its just mustang gts that make people look , but every time i look at another fast car, sure enough they're already lookin at mine.


Well, now you are talking to me, right? I have less into my Neon than the price of a premium GT. And what am I going to race you in? My Mustang or my Neon. I would rather it be the Neon though, so agian, you would just be quiet, and you would have to tell the story to all your internet friends (with your attitude towards everything I find it hard to believe you have friends in real life) how you got smoked by a Neon. You're diatribe towards anything that isn't a Mustang is annoying. I don't like Evo's or WRX's either, but you won't hear me have diarrea of the mouth about them like you do with ANYTHING that's not a Mustang. People like you are why the general car public thinks that people who own Mustangs are **sholes. Grow up.

I think this is where you need to stop posting headturningV8.

Go look at my pictures in the link below, not only would my Cobalt own your GT but so would the last 4 cars I had. Look at my 2003 GT then look at yours sure alot of people looked at mine to but it still wasn't anything special.

Whats really funny about you and some other people is the fact that you seem to know so much about my car, but yet you still have no clue. A Non-Supercharged 171HP (145WHP) SS was made also, it runs 15.2 @ 92mph.

yeah...thats one fast cavalier...you in the 13s yet?

anyway, headturningV8, as much of a tremendous douchebag as cody may be, you are making yourself sound like a dumbass, making comments about stans "50k srt4", and slody's cavabalt...when you talk about things which you obviously know nothing about, it only makes you sound stupid, youll learn that as you grow up. youve never had your stock GT to a track, yet you go on and on about how youd thrash his slowbalt....however, cody HAS been to the track, and has run a 14.2, if i recall correctly, and for a newbie like yourself, in a stock new edge GT, you would have a difficult time running those times, and there are PLENTY of new edge GTs here who arent running 14.2s...

you really need to learn to stand down HTV8...and i was just getting to the point where your posts didnt seem THAT stupid to me.

I still think an N/A Celica in the 12s is way more ridiculous to me than a Cobalt in the 13s :D

almost raced a WRX last night... the guy was going pretty fast so i thought he'd be into it, i accelerated up to 100 and gave him the ricer fly-by :D ...i slowed down so we could line em' up but he just did a fly-by too and kept going[&:], i didn't feel like having a maximum top speed kinda race so i just let him go.

ORIGINAL: STANMAN


ORIGINAL: headturningV8


stan , why are u even talking , no1's talkin 2 you. what are u gunna race me in ? the neon w/ 50k into it? let me borrow 50k... ill put that econobox to shame.

cody, you're dreaming is crossing over into reality and u dont even realize it. Cobalts are slow. Every clown ive asked that owns 1 has either run high 14's or worse (ive talked to 5 ppl)

oh yeah , and u asked why my car turns head (my head isnt up my ass on this one) the first week i got my car an old spanish lady made the motion for me to roll down my window " thats a really cool car you have".

about two months ago im sitting at a light and a lady whipped out a camera and got out her window to take a picture of my car. NO LIE. and i dunno if its just mustang gts that make people look , but every time i look at another fast car, sure enough they're already lookin at mine.


Well, now you are talking to me, right? I have less into my Neon than the price of a premium GT. And what am I going to race you in? My Mustang or my Neon. I would rather it be the Neon though, so agian, you would just be quiet, and you would have to tell the story to all your internet friends (with your attitude towards everything I find it hard to believe you have friends in real life) how you got smoked by a Neon. You're diatribe towards anything that isn't a Mustang is annoying. I don't like Evo's or WRX's either, but you won't hear me have diarrea of the mouth about them like you do with ANYTHING that's not a Mustang. People like you are why the general car public thinks that people who own Mustangs are **sholes. Grow up.




You sir are a clown. My best friend drives an 03' WRX, a few of my boys have 04 and 05 SRT-4's and another w/ a 500+hp 98 cobra on spray.A nice little mix of cars to roll out w/. The only cars i dog are one that i know i can take, especially when the guy is claimin 13s and putting his P.O.S in the same catagory as an SRT-4 and an STi for god sakes. Just because i dont like SRT-4s doesnt mean you have to get all whinny and start shyt becuz u put a lot of money into one and love it to death. Im sure this isnt the first occurance.

Cody, no sh*t, im aware they make non s/c slowbalts. EVEN the supercharged ones are slow. Im glad you pulled off a 14.2 - thats what my car runs stock. I have intake and exhaust also. I know these arent amazing mods, but im gunna go out on a limb and say id take u by more than a car 1/2 w/ ease. Its a matter of torque of the line w/ a RWD car.

Its all good RIDE, ill take it

ORIGINAL: codyss



You are so full of yourself when you post stuff about your Cobalt being on par with STI's and SRT 4's. Your car is a mid to high 14 second car, face the F*CKING facts bro. I know of a few guys that have ran 14.6-14.7 in a stock Celica GTS, which is what you run stock yourself. You may know alittle about Cobalts, not even Cavaliers, but you must not know anything about Celicas or other imports and most definately not Mustangs, if you think a stock SS/SC Cobalt can beat a 99-04 GT. Just plain jane stupid and ignorant.



You and some of the others are the ignorant ones, your complete lack of knowledge and Fast and the Furious complex have you blinded. Not to mention it seems that no one can read anything besides whats on Mustang Forums.

HERE IT IS IS PLAIN ENGLISH BUDDY

2003 SRT-4 = 215-220WHP
2004-2005 SRT-4 = 220-230WHP
2005-2006 COBALT SS/SC = 218-225WHP
1999-2004 MUSTANG GT = 225-230WHP

I know more about Musatangs then you ever will 01SilverGT, and Celicas don't run 14.6-14.7

And like Mustang GT's and any other car when it isn't driven right the best performance won't be seen. Sorry bro but calling the Cobalt SS/SC a high 14 second car is pure brainlessness at it's best.

If stupid people like you wouldn't fill forums with trash like this I wouldn't have to " boast " about my car.


listen, in ur numbers there u claim each of those cars to be making the same whp (give or take a negligible ammount), and each of those cars is 500 lbs less than a mustang. quite honestly, if those cars arent out there raping mustangs left and right (and the cobalts arent, srt-4s do better in all years tho) then something is seriously wrong. aside from that, i believe mustangs dyno at those numbers on mustang dynos. are all those numbers from mustang dynos?

I am not a clown. I am a 2nd shift supervisor at a Tier 1 automotive supplier. What does my occupation have to do with anything???

And the way I read your group of "boys". One drives a ricer, 2 have domestic cars that are quicker than yours, and one has a car that needs the bottle, and we all know only babies need bottles. But 500HP is pretty nice, regardless of how you get it. I mean I have to turn my boost up to get 500HP out of my 4 banger, so who am I to talk?

So, where do you really live, maybe me and you can be "boyz". You can expound your deluge of knowledge on anything with an engine in it for me, and I can teach you how to act like a human being. One hand washes the other brother!

ORIGINAL: codyss



You are so full of yourself when you post stuff about your Cobalt being on par with STI's and SRT 4's. Your car is a mid to high 14 second car, face the F*CKING facts bro. I know of a few guys that have ran 14.6-14.7 in a stock Celica GTS, which is what you run stock yourself. You may know alittle about Cobalts, not even Cavaliers, but you must not know anything about Celicas or other imports and most definately not Mustangs, if you think a stock SS/SC Cobalt can beat a 99-04 GT. Just plain jane stupid and ignorant.
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You and some of the others are the ignorant ones, your complete lack of knowledge and Fast and the Furious complex have you blinded. Not to mention it seems that no one can read anything besides whats on Mustang Forums.

HERE IT IS IS PLAIN ENGLISH BUDDY

2003 SRT-4 = 215-220WHP
2004-2005 SRT-4 = 220-230WHP
2005-2006 COBALT SS/SC = 218-225WHP
1999-2004 MUSTANG GT = 225-230WHP

I know more about Musatangs then you ever will 01SilverGT, and Celicas don't run 14.6-14.7
And like Mustang GT's and any other car when it isn't driven right the best performance won't be seen. Sorry bro but calling the Cobalt SS/SC a high 14 second car is pure brainlessness at it's best.
If stupid people like you wouldn't fill forums with trash like this I wouldn't have to " boast " about my car.
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First off, you DONT know more about Mustangs than I do, you just think you know more every car there is. And I'm not saying everyone can run a 14.6-14.7 in a stock Celica GTS, theres just been some that have done it. To every Cobalt SS/SC that has runs faster than a 14.5 stock, than there is a Celica GTS runnin faster than 14.7 stock. Just like with 99-04 Mustang GT's, most are 14.1-14.5, but some have gotten them into the 13's stock. Like I said, the Cobalt SS/SC is a mid(14.5) to high(14.9) second car.

ORIGINAL: WRXtranceformed

I still think an N/A Celica in the 12s is way more ridiculous to me than a Cobalt in the 13s :D


I was talking to some guys on the Celica forums, and the ones that have ran 13.6-13.8 with intake, exhaust, and DR's, said with a tune and P&P heads and cams they might be able to muster a 12 second run, but they might need alittle weight reduction. They said 13.2-13.5 would be achievable, but that extra .3 seconds would be hard to get out of a Celica GTS.

o every Cobalt SS/SC that has runs faster than a 14.5 stock, than there is a Celica GTS runnin faster than 14.7 stock. Just like with 99-04 Mustang GT's, most are 14.1-14.5, but some have gotten them into the 13's stock. Like I said, the Cobalt SS/SC is a mid(14.5) to high(14.9) second car.

this is the point that i have never seen cody address....

perhaps a cavabolt can breeze lower than a 14.5,,, but as rare as that is, there is a new edge GT running a 13.9-13.8 or so...

yet the SS is faster or as fast as a 99-04 GT :eek:

i just think its funny that cody STILL has yet to post a timeslip of his results of a 13 second run. i now believe it when i hear cobalt ss's are underrated, because there have been many cases where they have been. but like most said, a cavabalt has genreally done high 14s -low 15s. RARELY getting a low to mid 14. like once ina blue moon. i agree though, its funny how since like 3 cobalts got mid 14 times, every cobalt ss in the world can, but the same rule doesnt go for the GT's.

just a funny observation:

I was just browsing some other forums a little while back and came across an ion redline forum. They were having a debate much like this and every bit as heated. the difference? they were discussing the redline vs celica GTS. i dont know exactly what that means, but since the cobalt and redline have the same everything other than name, it makes me think the truth of the matter is that the cobalt sits comfortably between a stock GT and stock GTS (ford and toyota respectively ;)) and then theres that video footage of a stock GT pullings bus lengths on a lightly modded SS/SC. and the videos of the two SS/SCs racing at the track pulling high 14s low 15s.

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260

just a funny observation:

I was just browsing some other forums a little while back and came across an ion redline forum. They were having a debate much like this and every bit as heated. the difference? they were discussing the redline vs celica GTS. i dont know exactly what that means, but since the cobalt and redline have the same everything other than name, it makes me think the truth of the matter is that the cobalt sits comfortably between a stock GT and stock GTS (ford and toyota respectively ;)) and then theres that video footage of a stock GT pullings bus lengths on a lightly modded SS/SC. and the videos of the two SS/SCs racing at the track pulling high 14s low 15s.


I have the same belief here. These cars stock with average driver would run: Mustang GT - 14.3
Cobalt SS/SC - 14.8 Celica GTS - 15.0. These are average drivers, but a great driver would pull the Stang into the 13's, the Cobalt around 14.5 and the Celica about 14.8 or so.
Good observation by the way "SpecterGT". ;)

The only reason a Cobalt SS/SC might have trouble with a stock GT is due to traction.

Unlike the SRT-4 the SS/SC goes into boost right after launching, if the wheels start spinning it just boosts more making a come back hard.

Line up a stock GT beside a SS/SC at any roll speed an the GT will loose badly.

Go to Cobaltss.net and see what people are running stock and with the satge kits.

Look at trap sppeds headturningV8 that will tell you more than ET when it comes to power and potential. Even the poorly driven high 14 low 15second SS/SC's trap at 96-97mph, thats on par with a properly driven GT running a 14.0..................

cobalts are slow, stop comparing your car to an SRT-4 ,

naaa , id rather leave u at the line

This arguement needs to end sometime.

Look I'll finish this arguement once and for all.

- Cobalt SS's are decent cars. And are american so they deserve more repsect than imorts

- SRT-4's. Same as the Cobalt SS but fell that they were a little more creative being they went turbo instead. However, still a glorified Neon.

- Mustang GT (96-up) Great cars. Lack some points that others would like but still a great starting platform for a sweet car.
and..........................



Turbo 5.0's (especially Foxes) OWN ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope that clears things up for everyone. :D:D:D:D:D:D

ORIGINAL: codyss

The only reason a Cobalt SS/SC might have trouble with a stock GT is due to traction.

Unlike the SRT-4 the SS/SC goes into boost right after launching, if the wheels start spinning it just boosts more making a come back hard.

Line up a stock GT beside a SS/SC at any roll speed an the GT will loose badly.

Go to Cobaltss.net and see what people are running stock and with the satge kits.

Look at trap sppeds headturningV8 that will tell you more than ET when it comes to power and potential. Even the poorly driven high 14 low 15second SS/SC's trap at 96-97mph, thats on par with a properly driven GT running a 14.0..................


ive seen video of a ss/sc losing to a gt from a roll. and theres no excuses that can be made on a roll race. the cars do not perform as well as you say.

I hope no one gets offended by me bringing some facts into this discussion, but since everyone's throwing numbers around...

These numbers are taken from one reputable source (Motor Trend) for consistency.

2005 Cobalt SS (2/05 issue) $24,000-205hp-6.0 seconds 0-60, 14.5 @ 98.2 mph in the 1/4 mile, 69.0 mph in the slalom

2004 Dodge SRT-4 (12/03 issue) $21,960-230hp-5.5 seconds 0-60, 14.0 @ 102.7 mph in the 1/4 mile, 68.3 mph in the slalom

2005 Mustang GT (1/05 issue) $28,590-300hp-5.1 seconds 0-60, 13.5 @ 103.6 mph in the 1/4 mile, 65.4 mph in the slalom

1999 Mustang GT (12/99 issue) $23,665-260hp-5.4 seconds 0-60. 14.0 @ 100.2 mph in the 1/4 mile, 66.8 mph in the slalom


Not sure how the '99 GT managed to beat the '05 through the slalom unless they've changed the format over the years...

Alot of magazine numbers are flawed for the Cobalt SS due to this fact, in stock form 2nd gear ends at 63mph most drivers get worried and shift early resulting in a higher 0-60.

It's the same with there 1/4 mile times vs 0-100 times they shift to soon.

I didn't come here to shove BS down peoples throats or to lie, I just wanted the truth to be told.

90% of the Cobalt and Redline videos on Streetfire or else where are driven by dumbasses. They are tricky to drive and a unskilled driver will produce terrible performance.

My GT was much easier to drive than my SS/SC.

cobalts are gay (and slow)

Too many of the Mustang guys on here, think their cars are untouchable... I've owned 7 Mustangs, and I still have one now that I dump money into on a regular basis:D, but it's just a Mustang... My 00GT bone stock ran a 13.9, it's a quick car for being stock, but it's nothing special... My buddy has an 05 ACR SRT-4 and he ran a 13.6 bone stock, I think that's impressive regardless of motor size or any other excuses you guys will pull out your ass... Face it, Mustangs aren't the king of the hill anymore... 87-93 Mustangs were the fastest, affordable car at the time, but the LT-1 Camaro's came out and ruined that, they handled ALOT better too... Older stock Mustangs just can't compete with the new technology of today, that includes the 99-04... The 05-06 Mustangs are running decent times for being stock, they stepped up the game quite a bit, but there are alot of faster cars on the road today... The Chevy Cobalt SS's are impressive cars, them might not be the fastest things bone stock, but they respond to mods ALOT better then the 99-04 Mustangs... The Chevy Ecotec motors are bad ass, and have put down some serious times and HP numbers... They also set a land speed record with one... Let some air out of your heads, Mustangs are just another production car like all the others on the road...


Check this out: http://www.year2032.com/ecotec.htm


I know anything can be made fast with the right amount of money, but for a 4 cylinder, that's plain badass...

A) Please stop blowing GM

B) not all SRT4 owners can put down 13 second passes, or drive their car properly for that matter

C) whenever FORD puts out a fast vehicle, theres DODGE AND GM right behind them to one up them , FORD seems to be the platform they have to step up to huh?


cobalts are gay (i think i said that already...)

ORIGINAL: headturningV8


A) Please stop blowing GM

Hahahaha, Stop blowing Mustangs... I love them too, but they are far from special...

B) not all SRT4 owners can put down 13 second passes, or drive their car properly for that matter

Same thing goes for Mustang guys... I've seen alot of posts on here from guys with alot of bolt-on's still running 14's

C) whenever FORD puts out a fast vehicle, theres DODGE AND GM right behind them to one up them , FORD seems to be the platform they have to step up to huh?

Possibly, but every time they do, they step right over them...


cobalts are gay (i think i said that already...)



I'm not a Ford hater, I'm actually far from it, but you need to stop acting like Mustangs are the best platforms that can't be touched... Take your car to the track, put down some times, and then come and talk to me... Try getting some experience other then typing about how much you know about cars...[sm=sleeping.gif]Poser...

ORIGINAL: headturningV8


C) whenever FORD puts out a fast vehicle, theres DODGE AND GM right behind them to one up them , FORD seems to be the platform they have to step up to huh?


cobalts are gay (i think i said that already...)


Looks outside....wonders just what Ford made in '97 that would outrun said car outside....then thinks about the Vette in '96 that had the same motor...wonders what Ford made in '96 to outrun said car.

I agree on the second part.

Wait....they actually make fast Neon's nowadays? I thought you just bought those cars b/c you were broke and needed a car to last you 200k and then you tossed it at the scrap yard? Wtf happened? Cobalt....[sm=smiley36.gif] The college girls dream.

/End Thread... I win...

I love Ford, but there aint no doubt in my mind, GM knows what they are doing when it comes to making cars.

"93BlackNotch", you are so correct on the "Ecotec" engine. I get on "J-body.org" sometimes, which is Cavalier, Sunfires, cars with the "Ecotec" engine, and one guy with an 04 Cavy with just bolt on's, no power adder of any kind, and he ran a 13.08 in the 1/4, and others with basic turbos and S/C's were runnin in the 11's. People can say what they want about the GM motors, but they are badass.

Be it a SRT-4 or Cobalt SS at least it isn't RICE.

ORIGINAL: 01SilverGT

I love Ford, but there aint no doubt in my mind, GM knows what they are doing when it comes to making cars.

"93BlackNotch", you are so correct on the "Ecotec" engine. I get on "J-body.org" sometimes, which is Cavalier, Sunfires, cars with the "Ecotec" engine, and one guy with an 04 Cavy with just bolt on's, no power adder of any kind, and he ran a 13.08 in the 1/4, and others with basic turbos and S/C's were runnin in the 11's. People can say what they want about the GM motors, but they are badass.



Thank you, atleast we have a few people on here with half a brain... You have to give respect to the SRT-4 guys too, most of them are getting it done... I'll give respect to anybody that puts money into performance... Atleast they aren't out stealing our cars for their next hit...lol

Either way, everybody know's everything and Mustangs are the best bang for the buck car on the market....:eek:

white srt4 at rockingham nc puts down regular 13.0s with mild mods, my 92 lx i just picked up bone stock just tuned up 2.73 5spd hatch car went 14.52 at 97.23 stock

i am installing 3.55, underdrives, electric fan, bbk 1 5/8 long tube cat free h pipe, cobra intake, 30lbs, 76 cl mass air, 180 stat, smog elem, egr delete, i dunno which heads yet or cam or rockers, taking suggestions, stock block till it watermelons, big vortech to come, possible turbo?

ORIGINAL: 98LS1

Wait....they actually make fast Neon's nowadays?

I thought you just bought those cars b/c you were broke and needed a car to last you 200k and then you tossed it at the scrap yard?


1) its NOT a Neon...its an SRT-4...get it right

2) umm.........ive never seen one make it over 100k. MUCH LESS 200K. they blow headgaskets like crazy..unless they fixed it..??

They actually did for the 3rd gen Neon. It was the 2nd gens that blew them like crazy.

ORIGINAL: WOTdaddy

i am installing 3.55, underdrives, electric fan, bbk 1 5/8 long tube cat free h pipe, cobra intake, 30lbs, 76 cl mass air, 180 stat, smog elem, egr delete, i dunno which heads yet or cam or rockers, taking suggestions, stock block till it watermelons, big vortech to come, possible turbo?



Dude, 30# injectors are way too big for your application.... You'd actually be fine with the 19's until you do a H/C/I swap, and even then you can get by on 19's.... It's better to have smaller injectors spraying a hard wide pattern, then big injectors barley pushing the fuel into the cylinder(The fuel will burn more efficently)... I doubt you'll hurt the block on a simple H/C/I combo... FI is usually the cause of split blocks... I'd do AFR heads, with a custom grind cam for your car... Don't forget to put an upper and lower on the car too... I like the Holly Systemax or the Edelbrock RPM II... Good Luck

P.S. I'd do a set of 3.73's instead of 3.55's... Those cars love 3.73's:D

ORIGINAL: STANMAN

They actually did for the 3rd gen Neon. It was the 2nd gens that blew them like crazy.


wow. good for them then;) we always talked about the head gaskets when it came to the SRT-4's. i said they probably fixed it, so they wouldnt have the problem with their high performance car. guess i was right

ORIGINAL: 93BlackNotch


ORIGINAL: headturningV8


A) Please stop blowing GM

Hahahaha, Stop blowing Mustangs... I love them too, but they are far from special...

B) not all SRT4 owners can put down 13 second passes, or drive their car properly for that matter

Same thing goes for Mustang guys... I've seen alot of posts on here from guys with alot of bolt-on's still running 14's

C) whenever FORD puts out a fast vehicle, theres DODGE AND GM right behind them to one up them , FORD seems to be the platform they have to step up to huh?

Possibly, but every time they do, they step right over them...


cobalts are gay (i think i said that already...)



I'm not a Ford hater, I'm actually far from it, but you need to stop acting like Mustangs are the best platforms that can't be touched... Take your car to the track, put down some times, and then come and talk to me... Try getting some experience other then typing about how much you know about cars...[sm=sleeping.gif]Poser...


LOL now thats a good post...

;)

ORIGINAL: codyss



You are so full of yourself when you post stuff about your Cobalt being on par with STI's and SRT 4's. Your car is a mid to high 14 second car, face the F*CKING facts bro. I know of a few guys that have ran 14.6-14.7 in a stock Celica GTS, which is what you run stock yourself. You may know alittle about Cobalts, not even Cavaliers, but you must not know anything about Celicas or other imports and most definately not Mustangs, if you think a stock SS/SC Cobalt can beat a 99-04 GT. Just plain jane stupid and ignorant.
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You and some of the others are the ignorant ones, your complete lack of knowledge and Fast and the Furious complex have you blinded. Not to mention it seems that no one can read anything besides whats on Mustang Forums.

HERE IT IS IS PLAIN ENGLISH BUDDY

2003 SRT-4 = 215-220WHP
2004-2005 SRT-4 = 220-230WHP
2005-2006 COBALT SS/SC = 218-225WHP
1999-2004 MUSTANG GT = 225-230WHP

I know more about Musatangs then you ever will 01SilverGT, and Celicas don't run 14.6-14.7

And like Mustang GT's and any other car when it isn't driven right the best performance won't be seen. Sorry bro but calling the Cobalt SS/SC a high 14 second car is pure brainlessness at it's best.

If stupid people like you wouldn't fill forums with trash like this I wouldn't have to " boast " about my car.
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LOL please just shut up dude, my best friend drives a new cobalt ss/sc, all i had in my gt was 4.10s, cai, slp lts, o/r x pipe, slp lm2s, and xcal tuner, oh and BTW it wasnt even close:D

these forums on srt-4's and cobalt ss's are figgin' ridiculous. everytime i see someone post on beating one everyone go into an uproar, and quite frankly its guaaay. when i first saw this post go up i knew right away it would be 7 pages long in a matter of days. everybody wants to get all hissy about a sorry ass four banger than will give them a run in stock form and more than likely beat them with minor upgrades to the forced induction. i know i'm nervous as hell to lose to a neon, yes a dodge neon, of all cars. but its happened. and will probably happen again. needless to say a mustang with a couple bolt ons is probably gonna lose to a modded srt-4. its fact, no need to argue. and as for the cobalt ss. theres a guy in town i know running 13.9's with a $100 pulley of ebay. how rich is that. i'm impressed. he's car ss ain't gonna last long running 18 pounds of boost so he can have his fun for now.

oh yeah, what cobalt ss forum do you and your little buddies post on codyss? i'd love to stir some sh*t up on your messege board

When theres guys allready in the 12's for under $1000 bucks I don't think you will be stirring up much **** there.

And by the way 18psi isn't going to hurt a SS/SC, some guys are already running 20-21psi without problems.

They have a bullet proof bottom end, the heavy duty pistons might get weak around 23-24psi other than that the only weak link is the valve springs since they aren't good past 7,600rpm.

ORIGINAL: codyss
They have a bullet proof bottom end


So your car is bullet proof too!!!![:-] I should just call you Super Cody:D...

This is what makes that auto world go 'round...whose car is best. Ascertained from my name you can tell that I have owned both a GT and currently own a 2005 SRT-4....love both cars. There are good drivers and bad drivers no matter what car it is. The thrill is half the fun anyway; whether you win or lose...sure we'll all be pissed if we lose to another car...but having a car that is capable and the adrenaline pumping through your veins rocks the world. Thumbs up to GT's, especially the 05-06 look

oh gosh, now this thread is gonna be turned into another 3 pages before it dies again

wow

My friend got a red SRT-4 the other day.

He got it like 3 days ago, and hit a deer with it yesterday. i luaghed very hard for about an hour...


After he got it he calls me and says "Dude, i jsut got this used SRT-4. Its only got 8k miles. I only payed 20k for it." I laughed very hard at that. Actually im still laughing at that...

So i responded: "So you got a Neon?"

he syas "no, man. its an srt-4."

so i said:"So your telling me you got a neon right?"

He was mad...but i laughed, and i am still laughing...

can we get:


a) a fu(king sticky on this **** so it goes up at the top of the forum where nobody EVAR LOOKS so it will die

or

b) get this shlt locked so it will stop coming back every second tuesday of the month, full moon, and time a n00b does a search for blasts from the past and posts just to boast about some shlt that we don care

ORIGINAL: jmat2407

ORIGINAL: codyss



2003 SRT-4 = 215-220WHP
2004-2005 SRT-4 = 220-230WHP


With my mods in my sig (and a young recentley tuned up 70,000 mile engine) how would I do against either of these?

I messed with one the other day (I was behind him) and he only put a couple lengths on me. Of course, he hit it hard going around the turn, and I couldn't because my car is a RWD V8 and I definately would have pulled a 360. I don't know if it was stock, but it was quick, but I figured not too far from my reach. I figure I'm putting down somewhere in the figures of both those years. Any thoughts?

ORIGINAL: DaMach04



My friend got a red SRT-4 the other day.

He got it like 3 days ago, and hit a deer with it yesterday. i luaghed very hard for about an hour...


After he got it he calls me and says "Dude, i jsut got this used SRT-4. Its only got 8k miles. I only payed 20k for it." I laughed very hard at that. Actually im still laughing at that...

So i responded: "So you got a Neon?"

he syas "no, man. its an srt-4."

so i said:"So your telling me you got a neon right?"

He was mad...but i laughed, and i am still laughing...


LOL YES.....hands down best post I have seen on any forum in a VERY LONG time!!

ORIGINAL: DaMach04



My friend got a red SRT-4 the other day.

He got it like 3 days ago, and hit a deer with it yesterday. i luaghed very hard for about an hour...


After he got it he calls me and says "Dude, i jsut got this used SRT-4. Its only got 8k miles. I only payed 20k for it." I laughed very hard at that. Actually im still laughing at that...

So i responded: "So you got a Neon?"

he syas "no, man. its an srt-4."

so i said:"So your telling me you got a neon right?"

He was mad...but i laughed, and i am still laughing...


LOL YES.....hands down best post I have seen on any forum in a VERY LONG time!!

ORIGINAL: DaMach04



My friend got a red SRT-4 the other day.

He got it like 3 days ago, and hit a deer with it yesterday. i luaghed very hard for about an hour...


After he got it he calls me and says "Dude, i jsut got this used SRT-4. Its only got 8k miles. I only payed 20k for it." I laughed very hard at that. Actually im still laughing at that...

So i responded: "So you got a Neon?"

he syas "no, man. its an srt-4."

so i said:"So your telling me you got a neon right?"

He was mad...but i laughed, and i am still laughing...


LOLOL YES!!!!! By far the best post I have seen on any forum in a VERY LONG time......[sm=bangbang.gif]

Actually , its hilarious! IM FUHKING DIE'N LAUGHING! check out my website some time

www.ifuhkinghatethosePOSeconoboxesandhopeall25000b lowthefuhkup.com

wow...im done with this site you guys are brutal and I have never seen such close minded people, o well your loss-MAYBE one day you will pull your head out and see what its like to be a true car enthusiast

ORIGINAL: k_dusty

wow...im done with this site you guys are brutal and I have never seen such close minded people, o well your loss-MAYBE one day you will pull your head out and see what its like to be a true car enthusiast


whoa whoa , calm down sweetheart. i just hate SRT-4s... THAT MY OPINION , me n the mach1 dont reflect others here , they love that little F/I econobox w/ a 3 ft spoiler. STANMAN will tell you about his till u dont wanna read ne more. stay the course.

My local car group had a dyno day at Steen racing and a stock Cobalt SS with a pulley put down 234whp 229wtq...
My friends Decently modded SRT-4 put down 251whp 283wtq (18#'s)...Stage 1 with some other goodies

Here is the link with all the cars that dynoed that day...The HP and TQ numbers are below the pics Dyno Day (http://www.modmustangs.net/modules.php?set_albumName=album21&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1)

BTW the SRT-4 ran a 13.55 @ 102.XX...

I have to say I respect the SRT-4's quite a bit...The cobolts are nice but ust not my cup of tea...

Stage 2 srt owner here, first off nice kill to who ever started this thread! Secondly I've beat up some mustangs real bad and I've got my ass handed to me by others. Fast is just a matter of how much your willing to spend. I spent 17G's on a used srt-4 and added 2 G's worth of mods and got the skittle in the high 12.s! Mustangs are truely American classics! I can't wait to see the Camaro Vs. Mustang war rekindled! It's also awesome that just about any preformance car out there can run 12's with a few mods. People that say the 60's were the golden age of hotrodding don't have a clue. Just spend a day at the drag strip and you'll see 3 or 4 srt-4's in the 12's and you'll see twice as many mustangs running 12's. No need to be hating on the other Brand just line them bitchs up and run em

ORIGINAL: headturningV8


ORIGINAL: k_dusty

wow...im done with this site you guys are brutal and I have never seen such close minded people, o well your loss-MAYBE one day you will pull your head out and see what its like to be a true car enthusiast


whoa whoa , calm down sweetheart. i just hate SRT-4s... THAT MY OPINION , me n the mach1 dont reflect others here , they love that little F/I econobox w/ a 3 ft spoiler. STANMAN will tell you about his till u dont wanna read ne more. stay the course.


Yeah, this one time, in band camp.........lol.

K_dusty is right though, I am a car enthusiast. I hate ricers, I have never hidden that fact, but I will respect ANY fast car. Ricer or not.

I mean HTV8, you drive a car that's as common as the day is long, but I don't hate you for it, because it's your's, and it's what you like. Maybe you like haveing the EXACT same car as 50,000 others, maybe you like being a conformist?? No matter how much slower it is than BOTH of my cars, you'll still love your car right? Just because I drive 2 cars that you don't see 5 million of every day and could never be mistaken for any other car in a Wal-mart parking lot doesn't mean you have to be jelous and hateful like your sigline, because you still love your car right?? And in the end, that's all that really matters, that we all love our cars!!!

you guys are brutal...........i have 3 HTV8's :D

You have 2 for sure, and the GT would turn my head, because I like Stangs. Well, every single one of them besides the one HTV8 is driving. Just because it's his, and that's my opinion, lol. As a matter of fact I think I have a new sigline:


K_dusty hates headturningV8. I concur.

hey iam new to this site but heres my take as if it matters frist off SRT's are not the fastest cars on the road 14sec is what i have seem about 80% of them run. I my self respect that and yes a stock SRT will beat a stock 5.0 auto for sure but, a 5speed coupe with a good driver that would be interesting . Another thing is i would not mind having one for a daily driver;) but, in the same since i kinda hate them becuse most of the drivers are jerks they think every 5.0 stang is slow. I once wanted to ask a guy srt onwer about the car and he was like trying to bash v8s when all i wanted to know is about the SRT. Great to see a OK decent cars on the street better then 17sec hondas trying to race you but its still a FWD 4banger no matter how much turbo but a turbo on a mild v8 car and guess what the SRT is not in ur sights anymore the same 2k u spend going from stage 1 - stage 2 i can go from 13sec 5.0 to 11sec 5.0 its all about power for dollar and who has it.

that being said the SRT4 i would say is the best FWD power for dollar car out there 230hp and 270TQ love those numbers

A stock SRT would murder a stock 5.0. The SRT's are in New Edge Stang territory, stock 5.0's are not. And I am not trying to be a douche, I love Foxbodys, just stating a fact.

What did you want to know about SRT's?? As HTV8 has stated, I will talk your ear off about them, it's my first turbo car, so I have done alot of research on them besides just owning one, lol!!

Yea and how many stock 5.0 are running around key word is STOCK when it comes to the SRT beating other cars i find that funny:)

C) whenever FORD puts out a fast vehicle, theres DODGE AND GM right behind them to one up them , FORD seems to be the platform they have to step up to huh?


Haha, whenever Ford puts out a fast Vehicle, GM has to be right behind them to one them up? Right... It all 3 trying to compete with each other not trying to play catch up but if you want to put it like that then Ford is the one always trying to catch up with GM. I'm not saying it wrong or anything because I like FI cars but Ford always has to use FI to keep up with GM. GM does away with the Camaro due to sales and then Ford brings out the SC Cobra and takes over by a small margin running high 12's low 13's with it. The LS1 02 Camaro's/and or the WS6 Trans AM best track time recorded was 12.9 and run 13.3 all day at the track right around the area with the SC Cobra. That seems like they were the one's trying to play catch-up. Hell Ford has never had anything that competed with the Vette until now. All the way through the early 90's was a high 13 second car and the late 90's the Vette was a mid 13 to low 13 second car and what was Ford doing to compete with that? And the majority of the 60's and 70's Camaro's were faster from factory than the Mustangs and then in the 80's the Mustang was slightly quicker than the Camaro's and then in the 90's the Camaro's took back over.

ORIGINAL: UrSSlow


C) whenever FORD puts out a fast vehicle, theres DODGE AND GM right behind them to one up them , FORD seems to be the platform they have to step up to huh?



I like FI cars but Ford always has to use FI to keep up with GM.

I think it is more like this: GM always has to use huge displacement engines to keep up with Ford's small displacement FI engines. i.e. the 6.0L LS2 compared to Ford's 4.6L. Even with the S/C'd 5.4's in the GT and in the GT500, GM has the LS7 sitting at 7.0L just to turn over similar numbers. That's a 1.6L difference (or the entire displacement of a Honda engine [8D]). I think it is great what Ford engineers have accomplished with the small displacement engines.

Trying to find a stock 5.0 or a stock srt-4 is next to impossiable because their both so cheap now and the aftermarket for both car is so huge. It almost seams silly to leave either stock, just my 2 cents.

took me an hour just to read all this! nice kill!

http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/363/07/fart1135944282.gif

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

this made my day.

ORIGINAL: White2000GT

I like FI cars but Ford always has to use FI to keep up with GM.

I think it is more like this: GM always has to use huge displacement engines to keep up with Ford's small displacement FI engines. i.e. the 6.0L LS2 compared to Ford's 4.6L. Even with the S/C'd 5.4's in the GT and in the GT500, GM has the LS7 sitting at 7.0L just to turn over similar numbers. That's a 1.6L difference (or the entire displacement of a Honda engine [8D]). I think it is great what Ford engineers have accomplished with the small displacement engines.

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Do you understand what FI does to a motor? And the increased displacement it "adds"? Ever wonder why GM motors get 30mpg with a .600+ life cam in them, yet Ford's small motors only get 20mpg?

I'm biased, of course, there's no way to tell you guys otherwise, but just look at the cars out nowadays. Ford just can't engineer a motor to make the power GM does. They build a $80k car, the GT500, and GM makes more power out of a $60k naturally aspirated Vette. When GM builds FI cars, what happens then? Just look at the GNX for example. What's gonna happen when GM builds the "Blue Devil?" LS7 + boost......it's crazy.

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I'm biased, of course, there's no way to tell you guys otherwise, but just look at the cars out nowadays. Ford just can't engineer a motor to make the power GM does. They build a $80k car, the GT500, and GM makes more power out of a $60k naturally aspirated Vette. When GM builds FI cars, what happens then? Just look at the GNX for example. What's gonna happen when GM builds the "Blue Devil?" LS7 + boost......it's crazy.
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Where does 80k come from? The MSRP is 40K. Pre orders on ebay shouldn't be a factor in this b/c the prices won't be anywhere near that high in a few months.

There is one SRT-4 around here that is just driving me crazy, the owner has easily put over 20k in that car, is has a HUGE Hahn turbo and just to make things better it also runs with nitrous oxide, I found a small video of that car in Youtube : Sick SRT-4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEz8cEY_HZE&search=Sonoratuning)

What you guys think is needed to take this car down? I have a couple of mods in my 03 GT like : CAI, 75mm TB and plenum, Headers, H-pipe no Cats, Magnapacks, 4.10´s, Computer programmer,etc. I know for sure that is not enough at all but I really would like to know what would be enough to beat it.

Thanks!! have a nice day!!

i hate srt-4's, hate hate hate hate. plus their front wheel drivem which make me hate them even more

ORIGINAL: pLaGuIeNtO

There is one SRT-4 around here that is just driving me crazy, the owner has easily put over 20k in that car, is has a HUGE Hahn turbo and just to make things better it also runs with nitrous oxide, I found a small video of that car in Youtube : Sick SRT-4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEz8cEY_HZE&search=Sonoratuning)

What you guys think is needed to take this car down? I have a couple of mods in my 03 GT like : CAI, 75mm TB and plenum, Headers, H-pipe no Cats, Magnapacks, 4.10´s, Computer programmer,etc. I know for sure that is not enough at all but I really would like to know what would be enough to beat it.

Thanks!! have a nice day!!


If he can drive and put the power down, you'll need a 10 second car. Hahn turbos are not that big, definatly not the biggest you can put w/o modding the firewall, (that would be a GT35R) but with the NOS, a 10 second car should be able to run with that Neon.

i am also a fan of ford engines because of what they can do with small displacement.... however i am somewhat of a "rare breed" , while most guys are eiether Ford guys or Chevy guys (sometimes a touch of Mopar or some import) I like Chevy and Ford, the classic Muscle car showdown. For that reason i recently picked up a 1968 Camaro SS out of some guys garage and plan to restore it someday. It will be great to have 2 of the biggest rivals of the muscle car era in my garage. Before i had my 02' Mustang, i drove a Lt1 Camaro for a