I like FI cars but Ford always has to use FI to keep up with GM.
I think it is more like this: GM always has to use huge displacement engines to keep up with Ford's small displacement FI engines. i.e. the 6.0L LS2 compared to Ford's 4.6L. Even with the S/C'd 5.4's in the GT and in the GT500, GM has the LS7 sitting at 7.0L just to turn over similar numbers. That's a 1.6L difference (or the entire displacement of a Honda engine ). I think it is great what Ford engineers have accomplished with the small displacement engines.
Do you understand what FI does to a motor? And the increased displacement it "adds"? Ever wonder why GM motors get 30mpg with a .600+ life cam in them, yet Ford's small motors only get 20mpg?
I'm biased, of course, there's no way to tell you guys otherwise, but just look at the cars out nowadays. Ford just can't engineer a motor to make the power GM does. They build a $80k car, the GT500, and GM makes more power out of a $60k naturally aspirated Vette. When GM builds FI cars, what happens then? Just look at the GNX for example. What's gonna happen when GM builds the "Blue Devil?" LS7 + boost......it's crazy.
[/quote] I'm biased, of course, there's no way to tell you guys otherwise, but just look at the cars out nowadays. Ford just can't engineer a motor to make the power GM does. They build a $80k car, the GT500, and GM makes more power out of a $60k naturally aspirated Vette. When GM builds FI cars, what happens then? Just look at the GNX for example. What's gonna happen when GM builds the "Blue Devil?" LS7 + boost......it's crazy. [/quote]
Where does 80k come from? The MSRP is 40K. Pre orders on ebay shouldn't be a factor in this b/c the prices won't be anywhere near that high in a few months.
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There is one SRT-4 around here that is just driving me crazy, the owner has easily put over 20k in that car, is has a HUGE Hahn turbo and just to make things better it also runs with nitrous oxide, I found a small video of that car in Youtube : Sick SRT-4
What you guys think is needed to take this car down? I have a couple of mods in my 03 GT like : CAI, 75mm TB and plenum, Headers, H-pipe no Cats, Magnapacks, 4.10´s, Computer programmer,etc. I know for sure that is not enough at all but I really would like to know what would be enough to beat it.
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There is one SRT-4 around here that is just driving me crazy, the owner has easily put over 20k in that car, is has a HUGE Hahn turbo and just to make things better it also runs with nitrous oxide, I found a small video of that car in Youtube : Sick SRT-4
What you guys think is needed to take this car down? I have a couple of mods in my 03 GT like : CAI, 75mm TB and plenum, Headers, H-pipe no Cats, Magnapacks, 4.10´s, Computer programmer,etc. I know for sure that is not enough at all but I really would like to know what would be enough to beat it.
Thanks!! have a nice day!!
If he can drive and put the power down, you'll need a 10 second car. Hahn turbos are not that big, definatly not the biggest you can put w/o modding the firewall, (that would be a GT35R) but with the NOS, a 10 second car should be able to run with that Neon.
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i am also a fan of ford engines because of what they can do with small displacement.... however i am somewhat of a "rare breed" , while most guys are eiether Ford guys or Chevy guys (sometimes a touch of Mopar or some import) I like Chevy and Ford, the classic Muscle car showdown. For that reason i recently picked up a 1968 Camaro SS out of some guys garage and plan to restore it someday. It will be great to have 2 of the biggest rivals of the muscle car era in my garage. Before i had my 02' Mustang, i drove a Lt1 Camaro for a while and was very impressed with it. Mustangs will always be my favorite ( Terminator Cobra, 67-70 Shelbys, 68-67 fastback just to name my top favorites) But a very close second will always be the chevy camaro (67-69's namely SS and Yenko's and 98-02 Ls1's) However, i dont like mopars, more spacificaly NEON Srt4 (and yes its a neon, i hate the ppl that say its not a neon its an SRT4) , probably never will and i think its the fact that every cocky poser around here has an SRT4, plus the fact that they took a Chrysler 300, doctored it up and put on the charger badge, its just turned me off. Also i am sure i will get bashed for this and everyone kisses its ass but i also dont like the Viper, i think its overrated for a 10 cylinder car. Give me a Terminator or a Vette any day over that thing. Just my personal prefrence....and as long as i am on a rant, i will say that chevy has also pissed me off lately by putting an "SS" badge on every POS they make...plus they killed the camaro in 02'.................wait a second... i started this thread didnt i?
And yes 98LS1, I am well aware what FI does to an engine. And I am well aware that GM engines still get decent gas mileage even though they have huge displacements. Believe me, I'm not hating on GM at all. I think the C6 ZO6 is the most monstrous N/A V8 on the road today and I would give my left nut to own one. My whole point is that Ford is able to make huge power out of small displacement engines. But so many people are trying to make it sound like Ford engineers couldn't build a similar engine themselves. I'm sure if Ford was to resurrect the 428 and bring it into the 21st century with modern day technology that is available to them that they could have a genuine N/A monster too. "Blue Devil" huh? LS7 + boost = death sentence waiting to happen. That would be crazy power!
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this made my day.
I'm glad you approve! Haha!
And yes 98LS1, I am well aware what FI does to an engine. And I am well aware that GM engines still get decent gas mileage even though they have huge displacements. Believe me, I'm not hating on GM at all. I think the C6 ZO6 is the most monstrous N/A V8 on the road today and I would give my left nut to own one. My whole point is that Ford is able to make huge power out of small displacement engines. But so many people are trying to make it sound like Ford engineers couldn't build a similar engine themselves. I'm sure if Ford was to resurrect the 428 and bring it into the 21st century with modern day technology that is available to them that they could have a genuine N/A monster too. "Blue Devil" huh? LS7 + boost = death sentence waiting to happen. That would be crazy power!
And yes 98LS1, I am well aware what FI does to an engine. And I am well aware that GM engines still get decent gas mileage even though they have huge displacements. Believe me, I'm not hating on GM at all. I think the C6 ZO6 is the most monstrous N/A V8 on the road today and I would give my left nut to own one. My whole point is that Ford is able to make huge power out of small displacement engines. But so many people are trying to make it sound like Ford engineers couldn't build a similar engine themselves. I'm sure if Ford was to resurrect the 428 and bring it into the 21st century with modern day technology that is available to them that they could have a genuine N/A monster too. "Blue Devil" huh? LS7 + boost = death sentence waiting to happen. That would be crazy power!
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this made my day.
I'm glad you approve! Haha!
And yes 98LS1, I am well aware what FI does to an engine. And I am well aware that GM engines still get decent gas mileage even though they have huge displacements. Believe me, I'm not hating on GM at all. I think the C6 ZO6 is the most monstrous N/A V8 on the road today and I would give my left nut to own one. My whole point is that Ford is able to make huge power out of small displacement engines. But so many people are trying to make it sound like Ford engineers couldn't build a similar engine themselves. I'm sure if Ford was to resurrect the 428 and bring it into the 21st century with modern day technology that is available to them that they could have a genuine N/A monster too. "Blue Devil" huh? LS7 + boost = death sentence waiting to happen. That would be crazy power!
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You've already got one.
yeah , but imagine if they brought that back with todays tech .......nothing would touch it
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If he can drive and put the power down, you'll need a 10 second car. Hahn turbos are not that big, definatly not the biggest you can put w/o modding the firewall, (that would be a GT35R) but with the NOS, a 10 second car should be able to run with that Neon.
Hey Stan you do realize you sound like a ricer when you say that right.... Remember NOS is just a brand...
RICER....
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yeah , but imagine if they brought that back with todays tech .......nothing would touch it
Because it'd be fuel injected?
well the 428's of old were great for their time but stock for stock, todays engines are much better.......just look at what chevy can do with the 350 LS1 ( i know its not 350 its like 347 or something but you know what i mean) ii imagine that extra displacement can be put to good use
That's all in the engineering...there's absolutely nothing interchangeable with a SB 350 to an LS1. Plus the LS1 is an all aluminum motor. The heads on the LS1 are the best engineered of any small block to date...well, until the LS7 heads and such, but they're all built on the same platform.
Just b/c a motor is large doesn't mean it's going to perform. That's like comparing the old 427 to the new small block, LS based 427. It's a whole new motor man.
If Ford wanted to build a new 428, it'd be just that, a NEW 428. It'd be nothing like the old one.
SRT the fastest car on the road these days. looks like i might have to start my 4V 351c bulid soon but bfore i do that i would like to beat one with the 5.0 frist i have to say atleast us stangboys have something challageing from the FWD cars. I was being a smart ass on the frist comment lol.
If he can drive and put the power down, you'll need a 10 second car. Hahn turbos are not that big, definatly not the biggest you can put w/o modding the firewall, (that would be a GT35R) but with the NOS, a 10 second car should be able to run with that Neon.
Hey Stan you do realize you sound like a ricer when you say that right.... Remember NOS is just a brand...
RICER....
Only babies need the bottle, lol!!!
And I see the same pic is on here as on Camaro forums. Please change it to how I requested over there, lol!!
That's all in the engineering...there's absolutely nothing interchangeable with a SB 350 to an LS1. Plus the LS1 is an all aluminum motor. The heads on the LS1 are the best engineered of any small block to date...well, until the LS7 heads and such, but they're all built on the same platform.
Just b/c a motor is large doesn't mean it's going to perform. That's like comparing the old 427 to the new small block, LS based 427. It's a whole new motor man.
If Ford wanted to build a new 428, it'd be just that, a NEW 428. It'd be nothing like the old one.
But that's just the point. Even Ford's engineers wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a couple of old 428's off of Ebay and slap them in a new car. Of course they would reengineer the engine. I'm sure they would even learn a few things from the GM engineers and strive to put the best possible flowing heads and intake manifold, and figure out the best cam configuration to produce the maximum amount of power from the engine. We all know it's not gonna happen though.
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). I think it is great what Ford engineers have accomplished with the small displacement engines. 
.................wait a second... i started this thread didnt i? 
.......nothing would touch it
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