hey 95lt1 i never said it beats eveything...since your f bodys are soooo bad..why dont you bring yours on down so i can shut you up
I'm not steppin on anyone toes here....But i recall the Camaro Z28 beating up on the Mustang every year until it was retired in 2002.....And what does that mean....It means that the 97 LT1 Maros were faster than your96-98 COBRA's....The 99 01-02 Cobras all run low 14's.....BUT the factory claims they run high 13's.....I beat one with my stock 2000 Convertible GT i used to own...I took 400 dollars from a guy i know out here and he was supposed to have 320 horsepower to my 260 and i beat him about a carlength both times. We both had convertibles.
See theres where your wrong, in the first years of the fox body when they put the turbo 4 cyl in the stang, it would indeed beat a camaro z28 of the same year out of the box....
people are comparing apples to oranges here. year for year, STOCK the f-bodies were faster than the Ford counterparts. done deal. no arguements can be made. the LS1 is an all-around beast no matter where in the rpm range you are, and it has huge potential. it was a toss-up between an '01 WS6 T/A and my '01 Cobra when I traded,WS6 was faster, but the Cobra handled better and I got a MUCH better deal on it.
the '01DOHC to '97 LT1 comparison. Ive driven both, but not heads up. The LT1 really shows its colors from a stop. From a light, I would bet that with a good running LT1 (not beat to hell) could take my '01 Cobra. I 'believe' that top end the Cobra has it beat though.
given lots of time to do it right, I'd love to have a forged and stroked 383 LT1 on 10psi of boost over a DOHC4.6 or LS1
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hey 95lt1 i never said it beats eveything...since your f bodys are soooo bad..why dont you bring yours on down so i can shut you up
I'm not steppin on anyone toes here....But i recall the Camaro Z28 beating up on the Mustang every year until it was retired in 2002.....And what does that mean....It means that the 97 LT1 Maros were faster than your96-98 COBRA's....The 99 01-02 Cobras all run low 14's.....BUT the factory claims they run high 13's.....I beat one with my stock 2000 Convertible GT i used to own...I took 400 dollars from a guy i know out here and he was supposed to have 320 horsepower to my 260 and i beat him about a carlength both times. We both had convertibles.
First off, Mystici think u bit off a tad more than u can chew with 98LS1. Hes got a badass car.
And if I recall, the 96-97 cobra will spank the 96-97 LT1 maro. Those are 99-04 GT territory and a drivers race between the two. The cobra shouldnt have a problem. I will agree with you, the Firebird and the Camaro LS1/LT1 USUALLY have a strong advantage against the 4.6 of the same year. U actually think your stock 2000gt is faster than a 96-01 cobra. Its not. I didnt say u didnt beat him, congrats on that, You outdrove him. How fast the car is doesnt always determine the winner.
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If i remember correctly those WS6's will beat an 01 cobra with the same driver. But it comes to to driver. Hell I've beaten a 04 Z06 vette BUT only due to him being a moron and not knowing how to handle his car. Is my car faster...LORD NO but I outdrove him in that aspect. Within 50-60 hp or so MY OPINION is that the races will usually rely on the drivers ability and the cars RELIABLITY lol.
The 99-01 non S/C Cobra has been driven to 13.30's....which is prety much what most manual C5's run....its easier to launch a F body but the Cobras and the WS6's and SS's are pretty evenly matched....even the LT4 SS's don't run much faster than 13.30's and even the unverified myths I have heard of 12.90's from stock SS's still would make it a drivers race......the LT1 F-bodies ran about 5.7 0-60 and 14.0 or so in the 1/4 mile...as tested by most sources....so they won't send a Cobra packing like its been said....I beat my buddy in his LT1 stick Firebird
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sorry to bring this post back, but for the guy who said he beat a 99 cobra with his bone stock convertible GT...I'm going to have to call BS on that one...I ran a 99 Cobra w/ only 4.10's as a mod and it pulled like a mother especially in the top end...those 4V's have almost 1500 more RPM before hitting the redline than the 2V GT's and assuming the driver of the cobra wasn't a monkey at shifting he should've wooped you. maybe the cobra was just a fake kinda like mine haha
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Ls1/Lt1's use the excuse that we get superchargers, yet they forget that they brag about putting up their 5.7's against 4'6's. A 5.4 liter stang would be comparable to the Ls1. I say to the Ls1/lt1 fans, try cutting down on displacement and then see if the L whatevers will compete with Ford's 4.6. It's all kind of stupid really. There is no replacement for displacement. The Ls1 has our 4.6's beat stock because of this rule. That's how I see it. Our 4.6 liter 05/06 stangs will give a 5.7 liter Camaro a good run, if not beat it with driver error here and there.
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They cost more and have more HP off the showroom floor.. That pretty much sums it up..
I, however, went for the Cobra because:
1) The mustang costs less 2) I've had one in the past and they seem to hold up well against the heavy footed driver (me) 3) There are more and cheaper mods.. Hell, Summit has a whole section in their catalog for just Mustangs 4) They are easier to work on
BUT, I still really like the TAs.. Face it, the ram air hood and that big wing on the back look smokin hawt! I thought about a TA but I wasn't sure how many mods were out there and the over all price of them.. I also wasn't sure how easy they are to mod up.. I had a friend that had a 97 TA and he blew out his rear end several times so I had some doubt on the over all quality of the TAs..
They are both good cars.. One cost more and has more HP.. The other cost less but with a few mods can be just as fast or faster.. I can't fault GM owners for spending more money up front to get a faster car up front.. I also can't fault Mustang owners for spending less money and putting the rest in mods.. Someone quoted a TA as costing about $4k more then the Mustang.. I dunno for fact and am too lazy to look it up but that sounds about right.. If a Mustang owner took that $4k and put it in a supercharger (could be $4k if you install it your self) then the Mustang would run circles around the TA.. Or, to make sure you are under the $4k you could do a mid pipe, high flow exhaust, 4.10 gears and a cold air induction all installed for under $4k.. I'm thinking with just those mods the Mustang would own a TA..
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you could do a mid pipe, high flow exhaust, 4.10 gears and a cold air induction all installed for under $4k.. I'm thinking with just those mods the Mustang would own a TA..
I agree. I've heard it said that mod for mod, an LS1 would out mod a mustang. Well, the larger the displacement of an engine, the larger the gains when adding Cams/blowers/etc.... It's that simple.
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O.K WAIT>>WAIT>> I have a GT not a COBRA and would put a serious hurting on a c5 Vette only from a rolling start though. Their TCS would eat me alive on take off. So as far as a 97 LT1 beating a cobra I dunno, I do know that gearing is much lower in GM for cheap advantage reasons. I'm running 3:55's. with stock block. 4-valve swap, P-1SC 10psi, all the bolt-ons possible.
i have yet to see a camaro that could hang with my car not even the ones with headers intake and cams. second of all the a stock 03 cobra runs a 12.9 and the 02 camaro ss runs a 13.5 so i dont know how thats close. Also the brand new cobra has 450 horse stock and is in the 11s
umm, yea I dobut you guys have been in an LT1 T/A thats been done right. I was just in one today with 400+RWHP and it wasnt even done, all motor too. The car was effin sideways without him flooring it. It runs 11s in the 1/4 mile just motor, he had slips. He said it can be modded even more, the only thing slowing him down is he's gonna need really high octane gas, he buys it special but even still it knocks sometimes. He had flowmasters on it, the car sounded AMAZING.
i hate to piss off the camaro guys, but there really isn't much to the lt1, yeah they are a 350 motor but my friend has a 95 camaro and he likes to talk crap to about the 4.6's, but he can't even hang with our friends "99 GT" mustang, and all the GT has is 3.73 gears, and everytime they race the GT walks all over him, so honestly i am not to impressed with the lt1. i mean compared to the 4.6 its 281 against 350, and the with all the extra cubic inches he still has GT's leaving him. Chevy is not something that i would brag about.
Ferraris run 3 liter V8's and are faster then both of those cars bone stock..
so why are people always bringing up the displacement? Its a lousy argument.
From my experience WS6's and SS's (of which both are driven amongst my friends, check my cardomain if you need visual) have ALWAYS been a little faster then Cobras, excluding the terminators.
I dont understand why people just can't accept that and move on?
Its rather obnoxious to see muscle car guys argue against each other. You dont see Honda and DSM owners ripping each other apart. Why not talk about rice burners with minimal mods that claim to be domestic killers? Thats the real thing to be bitching about here.
sorry to bring this post back, but for the guy who said he beat a 99 cobra with his bone stock convertible GT...I'm going to have to call BS on that one...I ran a 99 Cobra w/ only 4.10's as a mod and it pulled like a mother especially in the top end...those 4V's have almost 1500 more RPM before hitting the redline than the 2V GT's and assuming the driver of the cobra wasn't a monkey at shifting he should've wooped you. maybe the cobra was just a fake kinda like mine haha
some cams really fix that problem. the fact remains is a non F/I cobra 99, 01-02 and an LS1 would be a good race, probably a drivers race, but a 2000 GT Vert couldnt even take a 96-98 cobra. Verts have more weight and just arent fast enough to keep pace with the 16 extra valves. seeing as im pushing into vette territory and i have beat a GT500 (by about 1/2 a car length) im long from worrying about LS1's, termies, etc. but it took alot of money to get there. if i put that kind of money on a 5.7 id probably be near 600+ hp. but youre comparing a 4.6 to a 5.7. thats like comparing a 4 banger turbo to a N/A 4.6. give it up stock for stock the gt's are slow and ill be the first to admit it. problem is camaros, firebirds, trans ams etc. are fuggin ugly. speed isnt everything. would you date a rich ugly chick, or a gorgeous poor chick. same concept between the 5.7 and 4.6 =)
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