Mate, Again... If you dont know what your talking about, dont speak...
Go read a book and get your facts straight, Your talking ****. Are you aware that the boss 290 is being built on Ford Australia's first V8 production line? After being designed in Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. How do i know? Because a mate that works with ford was one people that worked on it...
Idiot, stop talking ****...
After witnessing comments like, "Falcon is a Pontiac, and Australia is still using Leaded Fuel" its as apparent that Americans know absolutly nothing about the word outside of their own. Go back to your ****ty Mustangs, its the poor mans sports car, One of the most overrated car i have ever driven.
Idiot...
Yikes!
Calm down their Aussie. No sense getting all fired up over someone who isn't familiar with the vehicles that are roaming around the land down under. If your here to educate us then by all means educate, but not with name calling (I'd hate to see this whole thread turn in to a flame war since I am interested in learning about these cars a little more.)
If you really feel that badly about the Mustang so be it. You be happy with your 4 thousand some pound 4 door sedan(If i'm wrong about the weight correct me. I really am not familiar with how much these cars weigh) and let the Mustang guys will be happy with their cars.
Ok, I now live in Las Vegas. I lived in Australia for 19 years, i know how the ford and holden body has evolved, i have seen every model released over the past two decades. "What body style did the falcon come from?" you ask mr "androdz"
..... well, here i go.....
The Falcon made its debut in America with the XK, which was built in 1960 and was in production till 1967. In 1964, the XM Falcon was designed and engineered in Australia by Australian engineers. In 1965 we released the XP falcon, then in 68 the XR falcon which was the first falcon to house a V8. The XR Falcon was also the first model to carry the GT badge.
Then there was our XT Falcon, followed by the XW and XY, thoughout the early 70's. In 1971, we launched the XA, And at that time there was no longer a US equivalent, the car was designed specifically for the local aussie market.
Have you ever seen Mad Max?? The famous Black Interceptor, which is a Ford Falcon XB Coupe, V8 351. And then in 1974, The yellow interceptor featured in the movies released following... Funny, wasnt that filmed in australia???
Three years before this in 68, australian engineers traveled to the untited states to produce clay models for the yanks. The design impressed. then the ford head office which was in Detroit, soon after gave the go-ahead for a design centre at Broadmeadows, Victoria.
then came the XB and XC, which featured four-wheel disc brakes, four-barrel carburetors and an all-time classic Falcon, the Cobra. As always, Australia played a huge part of the development of technology that is used world wide today.
The XD and the XE falcons marked the introduction of electronic fuel injection which then took Ford to number one in the market in 1982. The XF then introduced Ford’s engine management system, EEC-IV which was a bench mark in automotive design. A new shape for Falcon came with the EA, and then the EB and subsequent EB II.
The final facelift for the EA shape came with the ED in 1992. August 1994 saw a new shape and an Australian Design with the EF falcon. While the EL was available in 1997, the The $700 million AU Falcon which was produced in 1998 then took over as the premier vehicle offered by ford Australia.
Over the past 10 years advancments continued with the release of the "Tickford" series, which were race tuned versions of several falcons. The AU2, the XR-6 and the XR8. The Au2 series was in production untill 2002. In 2002 Ford launched the all-new BA Falcon, and then progressed on that design till 2004 with the BA MK2. And the current falcon the XT which is currently in production with both XR6 and XR8 versions.
in 2002 Tickford was then renamed as FPV, "Ford performance vehicles", and after 4 years in development, ford released its new powerhouse, the BOSS 290 which was designed, and manufatured in the ford bendigo facility in Victoria. Whith this came the release of the new line of falcons, the GT, GT-P, PERSUIT, SUPER PERSUIT, THE F6 TYPHOON AND THE F6 TORNADO.
To answer your question... "What body style did the falcon come from?" And the short answer, Over 40 years of Australian engineering, design, blood sweat and tears you bloody idiot! The design of the new range of aussie ford falcons is a new edge, a celebration of the australian falcon hitory!
At this point, By now you should be hanging your head in shame!!!
You said..... "Ive worked with Vehicle Development for 5 years and have got to know almost every car built, not just in the US.. "
.............. Long Pause..............
Yeah, but you missed the part about the Ford falcon?? Without question, one of the most significant vehicles in the history of automotive development, a car that was one of the upmost foundation for a large portion of mechanical technology that is avaialble in any car today! A Car that has been in australian production for over 40 years!!!! And you say that it is a copy of the Pontiac GTO?? Hang your head in shame!!!
This is the Short history of the AUSSIE FORD FALCON! written by an Australian for americans that dont know **** about automotive History.
------------------------------------- And for you, "LILMike"......... who said, "You be happy with your 4 thousand some pound 4 door sedan"
I drive a 1970 Datsun 240Z restored, fully redesigned and re-produced. She "Seyah" weighs in at just over 2,400 Lbs, Housing a custom build 327 V8, J302 Motorsport heads, a solid roller road cam, NASCAR rate springs, forged pistons, and redesigned bottom end with stronger rod bolts, with a Victor Jr intake and 780 Holley on top. This motor and flywheel weighs only 40 pounds more than the L24 that it replaced. The engine is set up for a 7500 RPM red line. the crank attaches to an aluminum flywheel, hydraulic throw-out bearing, and then to a WC T-5 transmission.
The body has been totally re-modified to a modern standard. The front flares are 4" wider (per side) and the rears are 4.5" wider per side. This allows 315/35ZR17 tires on 11" wide wheels with a 5" backspacing using coil-overs. Now pushing 435Hp, and weighing in, gain at only 2400lbs. 0-60 in 1.2 Seconds. Bring any Ford Mustang down you can find to meet me on the drag line, The only vehicle that can stand any chance against me on the sprint is a modified superbike, which often get left for dead.
Enjoy this read... I will be here for your replies......
< Message edited by AussieMtrnme -- 9/9/2006 1:38:03 AM >
If the comment I made above about the Falcon pissed you off in any way. My bad I didn't mean it in a way to piss you off. Also thanks for the info above I'm going to start reading it now.
It just really irritates me when Australia in Neglected. %80 of america has no idea how far we have come. As a nation we are extreamly technologically advanced, our history of research and development in every field (not just automotive) has in many ways paved the ways for future research platforms all over the world.. People really need to open their eyes and start learning about the rest of the world, and not just about what lies within American society.
America is not a planet, it is a county. There is an incredible world out there, beyond United States borders. I get really mad when yanks simply "pass off" and "neglect the world", When people just asume "Its the best because its american, nothing else matters, we're american, we make the best cars because they are american, yadda yadda yadda.."
do you see my point???
Come on, one guy said that we still use leaded fuel. I have had people that honestly beleive that we are in a way a 3rd world country. I have even had people ask me if Kangaroo's and dingo's attack people. "DID THAT DINGO REALLY STEAL THAT BABY!!" a stupid lady asked me, "NO YOU DUMB BITCH, THERE WAS NO DINGO BABY!!" And NO I WILL NOT PUT ANOTHER DAMN SHRIMP ON YOUR FREAKIN BARBIE!!!!"
If you want to know about Australian cars, you must understand. It is a constant battle to the death, a blood war between Ford And Holden. So much so, that a "Race" series (Like your nascar with corners) Was created just so the two manufactures could battle it out to once and for all proclaim a winner. They have been fighting for over 43 Years now, with no end in sight. Not only is this a great race, but it also fuels both car makers to try to out do each other constantly, and with that, they are always trying to create new technologies to get an advantage over the other.
The public..... because of this fued.. We get race tuned specialty cars that are a direct product from this battle and We get incredible technology at a consumer level. These advances in technology, and in the quality of our cars are appent as soon as you take the wheel. This technology is often passed onto american car makers, but often.. People get the impression that it was an american idea and or product.. While that is rarly the case..
If you likes the ford FPV range, check out Holdens HSV line up... Very nice...
*sighes* You Aussie bastards get all the good stuff it seems. Quick question. I've been searching for the answer for a while now and couldn't find it anywhere. Were the Manaros on the same plantforms as the GTO and Chevelles were. I seen a pick of a old school Aussie muscle car that claimed it was a Manaro (I only seen the front keep in mind) And I got the impression it was somehow related to Chevelle for some odd reason. Maybe I'm just imagining the simlarities.
Thanks for the reply mate, i appreciate an intelligent question...
The original Monaro was produced from 1968 to 1979 by Holden Australia. It was originally introduced as a two-door pillarless hardtop coupe based on the HK series Kingswood sedan, Which later become the Monaro 'GTS' and 'GTS 327'.
In comparison to GTO's and chevelle's, the platform was completly different. Though there were diffinetly several mechanical and design simularities. As the GTS 327' model were powered by Chevrolet's 327 in³/5. L 'small block' V8;
Cheers!
< Message edited by AussieMtrnme -- 9/9/2006 9:33:10 PM >
If you really Want to understand about Classic and modern Aussie cars, go to CARDOMAIN.com and do a search for HOLDENS and FORDS in australia only. Search within the years of 1927 to 1975. and then 75 - 06
To check out, "Holden Torana, panal vans, The HQ and the FJ..."
Also...... you might find this interesting, This is the Sandman concept. A new version of the aussie icon, The panal Van. This car will be in production late 2007...
LOL. If I ever knocked some chick up and I had to buy a van that would be it hehhe.
Another question. As you mentioned above about the Aussie brands developing new tech to compete with each other and then having some of the tech brought over to the states I wanted to ask this question. The engines that Ford Au develop seem to be their own one offs that were never used in any other Ford vehicles (referin to the 5.4 thats in the Falcoln). It was either you or someone else that done posted info that the 5.4 that's bring run in the Falcoln is not the same one that was in the 2000 Cobra R.
Alright heres the actual question. Ford Au seems to develop their own engines and kinda saids F Ford US (not saying they actualy say that but you get my drift) While Holden uses Corvette engines in the Manaro and the other vehicles in their line up. What I'm getting is. Is Holden like Ford Au and develop their own engines, or do they take the engines GM develops for the Corvette here in the states.
Keep in mind I'm not up to date on how it works in Australia, but here in the states the Vette has always gotten the new engines before the F bodys did (LS1,LS6,LS2) Does the Manaro always follow the Vette (I assume the Vette prowls the streets there) and gets a new engine when the Vette gets updated or does the Manaro get those engines right off the bat.
Also thanks for the info above I'm going to start reading it now.
Through-out the history of the Holden Make, especially the early days (1927 - 1975) most engines were mainly american influenced if not american designed, but on most occasions the engines were re-modified for the Australian market. A large array of technology that is used today was researched and became standard on cutomized aussie engines, which were then ported back the the states to be used on future american production lines.
Many premier holden and ford models have had their own engines designed and manufactured in Australia, buit in the past it was rare. As there are only about 20 million people in the country (similar populalton as the state of New York), there are only so many engines that could be sold, the cost to produce them was not always feesable.
We have had V6 production lines for over 4 decades, only in 2004 was the first Aussie V8 production line created for our bohemoth Boss290 which is home in the new line of Ford falcons. The mechanical connections between australian and american cars has always been strong, only in the past 30 years have we begun to totally shy away from any american influence.
As you can tell, The Holden monaro was exported.. Our first car to leave the country (regardless of the fact it was given another name). Now ford is looking to import our falcons, including out famous "UTE" to compete with the newly designed alcamino that GM is thinking of producing..
Makes me wonder, Gm could just as easily import the Holden Vn and Vr commodore Ute's instead on designing another.
Australian car makers are really hitting the big time right now. this is the start of another bright chapter...
And We dont really have any Vette;s in Australia, just like the mustang, We have no need for them. With the line up of cars we have from aussie, korean and japanese car makers, we have plenty of better alternatives. The car makes that are available are.... There are a couple of americans in there
Alfa Romeo Audi BMW Chrysler Daewoo Ferrari Au Ford Honda Holden Hyundai Jaguar Kia Lamborghini Mazda Mercedes-Benz Mini Mitsubishi Nissan Peugeot Porsche Rover Saab Subaru Suzuki Toyota Volkswagen Volvo
Plus, your forgetting one thing... We have one thing that America will most likly never have. "The Nissan Skyline" Actually, you guys are getting the GT-R right? in spring 2008 i think...
Yea the GT-R I think hits are shores some time around 08 or 09. I don't think your average joes will be driving them though I heard their is suppose to be a high price tag to go with it.
So the Aussie engineers developed the LSx line or they just helped along with the development. I was always under the impression that the LSX engines were developed first for the Vette and they were obviously handed down to the brands that belonged to GM.
The GT-R is around the $160k mark i think, Sure its a beautiful car... But they are not going to be available to %90 of the poulation which is a stupid move. The Skylines that i am used to seeing can be picked up anywhere between the $15k to $60k mark, a second hand 1998 skyline is not an expensive car in australia, mainly because we imorted to many of then over the last 10 years..
Regardless of the Gt-r's tag, my datsun will still slaughter it... ;)
No, i think the Lsx was designed in The states. I know that there was alot of german influence in its development, but it remained an Americcan engine. We keep talking about all of these Aussie and American engines. Its the Japanese engineered engines that are the real stunners. Japanese do make the best cars, we all know that, followed by the germans. The english, they have had many claims to fame, koreans not so much, but they have alot of potencial and will become much better at what they do....
Have you driven the Hyandai Sanota and Azera? That azera has some balls man. It gets goin when you drop your foot, im curious to what could be done with it with afew simple mods, there is a guy in new york that wacked a turbo on one, im not to sure how that ended up...
Oh I agree. The Japanese cars are sweet, Just am not really fond of them as I use to be. I've lately been taking a liking more in to the US, and German cars as of late. Mainly the Vettes, and Camaros is what got me in to the domestic cars.
I haven't really looked in to the Hyandai. I didn't know they had anything going on.
Japanese cars really are in a class of their own, I used to be a fan of bigger cars. But i dont beleive that anyone should have a car bigger then what they need. Global warming is a fact of life that nobody in this country seems to give two ****s about. With the rate that it is progressing, it is now becomeing a factor that will affect my children, definetly my childrens children.
The japanese and koreans know this, they produce smaller cars, with smaller engines. That amazingly put out huge amounts of power and torque considering the small amount of fuel that is consumed. True the cars are smaller, but they do make some large cars that still do very well, The toyota camry for example.. incredible car, i love driving it.
My 1970 240Z is designed to do one thing, go really fast in a short amount of time. But with my ECU and onboard computer sytem, with the touch of a button i can alternate the setup of the entire car from the engine, the the hydrolic air tuned suspension, to adjust to Drag, Drift, Race, Or Road conditions. (ofcourse some mechanical changes are always required).
But that is not my every day driver, that would be unnecasary and in no way economical. I am working on another 240Z right now that will be running either a turbo charged 4 cylinder, or even a rotary taken from a RX-8. Both can be very fuel efficiant unless you put your foot down. Which i never do unless there is a checkered flag waiting for me at the finish..
I see people that live alone, have no wife, no kids, no dogs and no friends driving around in Hummers.. Totally selfish. Huge ford F350's jacked up on monsterous wheels and insane suspension systems, but they never even see the dirt. These are the things that really make me mad these days. I dont know how many times i have wanted to stick a potato in the exauhst pipes and vinigar in the gas tanks of cars like that..
< Message edited by AussieMtrnme -- 9/10/2006 8:17:49 PM >
Mate, Again... If you dont know what your talking about, dont speak...
Go read a book and get your facts straight, Your talking ****. Are you aware that the boss 290 is being built on Ford Australia's first V8 production line? After being designed in Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. How do i know? Because a mate that works with ford was one people that worked on it...
Idiot, stop talking ****...
After witnessing comments like, "Falcon is a Pontiac, and Australia is still using Leaded Fuel" its as apparent that Americans know absolutly nothing about the word outside of their own. Go back to your ****ty Mustangs, its the poor mans sports car, One of the most overrated car i have ever driven.
Idiot...
You, sir........need to take a pill and calm down. 95% of Americans don't have a clue about Australian made cars, so some ignorance in this subject is going to be par for the course. I myself didn't know much about the Falcon platform until a couple of years ago when I did some research on the web about them and their history. And we aren't necessarily the only ppl on this planet that are behind in our Australian automotive knowledge. I have a friend that hails from Germany and a co-worker from Brazil that knew even less about FPV or Holden than I did when I brought the subject up a few months ago. Australia's auto industry has just been under the radar for a very long time......so don't get so pissed because someone doesn't happen to know as much as you do about it. That would be like me expecting someone from Japan to understand the legacy of the Plymouth Barracuda. As many ppl in this country know what you mean when you talk about a Hemi 'Cuda, it doesn't pass intelligently that everyone in the world shares that knowledge.
But coming in here and insulting everyone and their dedication to the mustang hobby isn't gonna win you any supporters. I appreciate you bringing the uneducated up to speed about Australia's automotive legacy, but you don't have to be such an elitist b*tch about it. Nor do I believe you speak for all Australians in this matter. I happen to know for a fact that there's a huge fan following for the mustang and the corvette in Australia. Obviously you've never been to any of the National Concours down there if you believe Australians have no use for or infatuation with the Mustang. Try going to one and telling the fellas you meet that they're wasting their time on those American junkyards and see how fast you get booted.
Now, getting back on track here.........before your total beatdown on anyone that doesn't know every detail of Australian automotive history, I'm very aware of the quality and performance of the products that Ford Au, Holden, and FPV are pushing out nowadays. Read my earlier posts in here.........I'd LOVE to have a GT-P sitting in the garage next to my GT right now. Unfortunately, the chances of such a finely crafted automobile making it (with its quality and performance intact) to the U.S. shores is minimal at best. The big auto union culture that is stubbornly deep-rooted in this country is the main reason U.S. manufacturer's have such a hard time turning out decent products these days. Until something happens to change that, the big 3 U.S. carmakers will continue to suffer in their profit earnings.
In closing, I just want to say that everyone has the right to express their own opinion. But their is a fine line between being the voice of descent, and being a flamer when you come in here yelling at everyone. I'm sorry if you're having such a sh**ty time dealing with Americans and all of our stupidity. No one is holding a gun to your head to live here. And since this is a forum website dedicated to the mustang hobby, I'd refrain from voicing your opinions about them in such an immature manner:
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Go back to your ****ty Mustangs, its the poor mans sports car, One of the most overrated
You don't like them, that's fine. But I didn't see anyone trashing any Australian-made cars in this thread, so you are way off base with your insults mate. Just remember, your homeland is just a plane ticket away..........don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'm done.
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