Have you guys read this article?

Car & Driver feature article (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/11036/features-review-fords-that-could-save-ford-now.html)

video 1 (http://www.fpv.com.au/streamingmedia/FPV2large001.wmv)

video 2 (http://www.xtremefordtuning.com/video/simonF61.wmv)

video 3 (http://www.xtremefordtuning.com/video/simonF62.wmv)

video 4 (http://media.drive.com.au/?rid=17571&sy=drive&source=drive.com.au%)

.........if only:(

Anytime anyone tries to bring somthing up about the falcon they just get shut down. Main thing, ITS A GTO. pontiac AUS took the same body style. Fords only worried about gas. the thing that kept performance in ford is now being dissasembled(special Vehicle Team)

ORIGINAL: 04Mach1DD

Anytime anyone tries to bring somthing up about the falcon they just get shut down. Main thing, ITS A GTO. pontiac AUS took the same body style. Fords only worried about gas. the thing that kept performance in ford is now being dissasembled(special Vehicle Team)


huh???:eek:

ORIGINAL: 04Mach1DD

Anytime anyone tries to bring somthing up about the falcon they just get shut down. Main thing, ITS A GTO. pontiac AUS took the same body style. Fords only worried about gas. the thing that kept performance in ford is now being dissasembled(special Vehicle Team)

Umm, no......the Falcon is NOT the GTO. Pontiac's grand mistake with the GTO was 1.)Calling it the GTO....and 2.)Leading everyone to think that they had designed it from the ground up for the U.S.

The Falcon is a mid-sized 4 door RWD v-8 powered car.....and there aren't too many competitors in that segment in North America right now.....if any. GM and Dodge better pray Ford is dumb and stubborn enough not to bring it here.

yes i read that and was glad its not just some forum ppl thinking this way. i also think they brought up the european focus. both should be here and i think a lot of ppl would love them. i know i would.

i think the new GTO is from Holden and has been there since 2001. with that body style

would be nice to have the boss 290 as my daily driver:D, I wounder how much it would cost to import one.

umm... yes, the new falcon body style has been copied from the GTO. (not four door). the thing i love about them is, theres soo many different models, v6, 2 boss engines, and the turbo. thats why australia is selling cars

If FOMOCO had the insight to bring their aussie line over and cut the prices about $10K US they couldn't keep the cars on the lots.

Look at the Evos/WRX as an example of high dollar rice.

ORIGINAL: 04Mach1DD

umm... yes, the new falcon body style has been copied from the GTO. (not four door). the thing i love about them is, theres soo many different models, v6, 2 boss engines, and the turbo. thats why australia is selling cars


you're thinking about the holden monaro, wich is the australian version of the pontiac GTO. the ford falcon doesn't have anything to do with pontiac, in fact they are rivals, much like the camaro and mustangs in north america.

that falcon is sweet!

i like the falcon nice car:)

Daaamn. I just took the time to watch all the above videos..................somebody get me a number for FPV in Australia. :D I've just found the replacement for my current daily driver.[8D]

How would importing one of those work. I heard somewhere that guys in Australia looking to import Mustangs and the such have them stripped down, then changed to a truck looking thingy and then when they get them over there they restore the thing back to a Mustang. Seems like too much work for me, but I'm no genius in how they do this or why. I just recall hearing that somewhere.

But yeah I saw that I and thought, "And they give us the Fusion" ugh. You'd have all your bases covered then, basically you got yourself an American rival to the now 4 door Charger it would seem. The Falcon looks like it would be a nice family car being four door and mid sized.

When you import a mustang to Australia from North America, you have to have a right hand drive conversion done on it. Only cars that are registered as classics are allowed to stay left hand drive on the roads of Australia. And trust me, a RHD conversion isn't cheap......on top of the fact that importing a new mustang to the land down under isn't inexpensive either. I talked to a guy from down there who imported an 05 GT and he ended up paying 65K U.S. to get the car over there and have it converted to RHD. I was like, wow.
I'm not sure how much it would cost us to import a Falcon to our shores, but I'm sure it would cost a pretty good penny. Then you'd have to deal with the fact that the steering wheel and driver pedals are on the right side of the car. [&:]

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147
I'm not sure how much it would cost us to import a Falcon to our shores, but I'm sure it would cost a pretty good penny. Then you'd have to deal with the fact that the steering wheel and driver pedals are on the right side of the car. [&:]


where the pedals and the steering wheel is doesnt matter. it would be hard to pass the emissions test and how the gov. would register the car.

ORIGINAL: Dirtysouthstang

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147
I'm not sure how much it would cost us to import a Falcon to our shores, but I'm sure it would cost a pretty good penny. Then you'd have to deal with the fact that the steering wheel and driver pedals are on the right side of the car. [&:]


where the pedals and the steering wheel is doesnt matter. it would be hard to pass the emissions test and how the gov. would register the car.

Apparently they can pass emissions....or be modified to do so. I've already talked to a couple of ppl over the net that have imported GT-P's from Australia to the States. I don't recall everything that was involved in doing so, only that it was pretty expensive to do.

the ford falcon and the Ute are both amazing vehicals and should truely be brought into north america because the falcon will compete directly against the charger now that its four door and chev is producing prototypes of a new elcamino so if ford did it by 08 they should stand a chance on the market.

The thing that I don't understand is that ford will put a 5.4 liter in that four door pos but the wont in the mustang. The 4.6 liter works but a 5.4 liter would give the mustang a stronger running with the f-body.

who cares if they're puting a bigger engine in the falcon they're running the same amount of power and odds are theres extra weight with the larger displacement

FWIW, that 290 KW, not HP. That converts to 388 hp......

That Falcon Boss engine is putting out quite a bit more than the current 4.6 in the GT's. Of course, the Falcons are much heavier than the Mustangs, so they might be pretty close in the 1/4.

the main reason ford wont bring the falcon over here is bad relations see Ford America and Ford Australia dont get along because of corporate stuff if i remember right and it has been like that for many years

and i dont see y u guys r caring about the 5.4L being in the falcons cause the 4.0L I6 in the flacons r out performing the v8s over there and have been for awhile and thats y i want one of the 4.0L crossflow I6 tubo motors for my car but it costs too much to import one

and it would be hard for those to pass emissions over here if imported because over in Australia the still use leaded fuel

the only reason they still have leaded fuel in australia is for the older trucks and tractors around any modern vehical made or imported to ausiland definatly do not run leaded. its too hard on fuel injected engines to run leaded fuel.

ORIGINAL: Mustang Boy

the main reason ford wont bring the falcon over here is bad relations see Ford America and Ford Australia dont get along because of corporate stuff if i remember right and it has been like that for many years

and i dont see y u guys r caring about the 5.4L being in the falcons cause the 4.0L I6 in the flacons r out performing the v8s over there and have been for awhile and thats y i want one of the 4.0L crossflow I6 tubo motors for my car but it costs too much to import one

and it would be hard for those to pass emissions over here if imported because over in Australia the still use leaded fuel







yeah.. the I6 turbo may be faster stock... but im sure with a 5.4L you have alot more room to play. afterall i think that 5.4 is the same 351W we put in the 07 gt500 and the f150. and if thats the case, you have all that wonderful aftermarket crap you can buy for it. i much rather get the v8.

svt is being shut down??? so no more cobras??

actualy the fact that its 5.4L is just a coincidence the ausi boss290 is built in australia for australians if you took the time to look at www.ford.com.au or www.fpv.com.au you will see a ford engine that doesn't look like any ford engine youve ever seen befor.

Joshafmil and strongstang, WTF are you guys talking about?

A 5.4L is not a 351W. It's an OHC mod motor. a 351W is not what is in the 07 GT500 nor has it been in an F150 in the last 10 years.

The australian motor doesn't look anything like any American motor? Are you freaking blind? It's a 4V 5.4L with a different intake manifold. It's got the exact same valve covers as any other DOHC mor motor with coil on plug.

If you don't have a clue, don't post random crap. Sorry about brining back the week old post but I ran across it in a google search and couldn't believe the retarded crap being posted.

Need proof, see here:
http://www.fastcoolcars.com/2000-cobra-r.htm

and here:
http://www.ford.co.nz/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1134041267636&pagename=Page&c=DFYPage

note the bore and stroke of both 5.4L's. if you need mroe, find some engine pictures and open your eyes when you look at them.


The 351W is a 4 inch bore and a 3.5 inch stroke. it comes out to 5.8L's. They were known as 5.8L's in such things as the 1993-95 Ford lightning and 95 Cobra R. As opposed to the 99-04 Lightning and 00 cobra R which had the 5.4L's.

i don't know where you got the windsor motor from but i wasn't talking about that. i know its not an american engine because if you did some research you would have found that the boss 290 is built in australia meening that it doesn't use any crossover parts its just happenstance that the displacement was 5.4L now go to www.fpv.com.au and read all about it on the falcon gt-p and the super pursuit. Joshafmil is on crack saying that the 5.4L which is in the GT500 and the F150 was the same as a 351W.

it's the same engine design. it doesn't matter where they build it. same displacementt from the same bore and the same stroke with the same deck height, etc., etc., etc. if I buy a bunch of 5.4L parts and put them together in my garage it's still a Ford 5.4L mod motor. it doesn't matter where it's put together. It's the same deal.

http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_fords_power_trip/

Australian mod motors are the same as the American ones. its all the same stuff at the heart of it all. It doesn't matter where you put it together.

So the FPV engine has a different intake manifold. The bare block is the same, the timing chain portion is the same. The heads are manucfatured in Windsor as well as the cranks:
Ford of Australia uses modular V8s in the Ford Falcon and Ford Fairlane sedan model ranges, as well as in its high performance Ford Performance Vehicles (FPV) division models. The DOHC Modular V8s are coined Boss by Ford of Australia, with a number designation referring to power output in kW. The 230 kW Barra engine and Boss 260 and 290 shortblocks, heads and crankshafts are built in Windsor, Ontario.

They put the motor together in australia and there isn't one with that same confiuration as far as being a DOHC 5.4L with that intake being used in the US. It's still the same 5.4L underneath. that's the only thing they are saying when they say it's unique to Australia. It is no coincidence that the design parameters are equal. If you read about the intake you will discover it is very close to the cobra R unit. you think it's just coincidence that they are rated within 5 HP of each other too I suppose? it's not. Get a clue.


And here if you skip down to the V-8 portion you will find much talk afo parts coming from the US and the engine's US heritage. The engine asembly for the FPV cars is just like the engine assembly for the SVT cars here before. They are built on a special line by the best of their workers.
http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_1523/article.html

Hey I have a question, i just got my first car, it is a 2000 ford mustang V6!!! And i was wondering how long it will last, bc it has alot of miles 157,789 to be exact!! How long do u expect my car to last, how long does the average 2000 mustang V6 usually last, and how long do u expect my car, with this many miles to last? The body and interior of the car is in basically perfect shape!!! I really appreciate you for helping me, and taking the time to answer my questions!!!

First thing to clarify - Leaded fuel is no longer available (or legal) in Australia, this includes off street racng applications. Getting emmissions passed for US should be no problems. Also, since your designs rules dictate fuel tanks must be mounted in front of the diff means it would also pass as it is already mounted there in the oz spec vehicles.

I have an XR8 AU (model before the one shown in the vids) - running standard factory motor with a set of ported SVO heads on 98 octane unleaded has resulted in 14.2 quarter mile time - drop that to about 13.8 with a stronger clutch & stickier tyres. Now compare that with a completely bog stock Turbo XR6 with just a small increase in boost has resulted in the same performance level.

Whether or not you are aware......Ford Australia had to detune the XR6 turbo from it's orginal planned tune as it was producing considerably more power that the XR8 - they feared they would lose sales to the XR6 Turbo.

Also, please note the in car vids shown are from the top of the line F6 Typhoon/Tornado - not an XR6 Turbo.

why is SVT gonna stop making cars??? and theres always saleen and rousch...

or the return of the mach 1 =P

Ok, Allow me to Set this mess straight.. Most of you have some incredibly un-educated statements here..

Australian manufacturers include Holden (Gm) and Ford Australia. While they are both a part of the worldwide family of mainly American manufacturers.. The Australian made cars have no direct contact with American parties. The only car that Australia has ever exported to American shores was the Holden Monaro, which goes by the name Pontiac GTO. The reason this export occured? Pontiac was looking for a car that they could slap the GTO tag on, they looked to manufactures in the GM family world wide, and only one car came up to the standard, it was a Rear wheel drive powerhouse DESIGNED, CREATED AND MANUFACTURED IN AUSTRALIA. The Holden Monaro... The difference between Australian and America's GM products is simple, Quality.. end of story.

And onto the Ford discussion. The guy that said that the Falcon is a Pontiac GTO. your a bloody idiot mate. Holden and Ford are competitiors, thats why we have a car race called "V8 Supercars", Holden Vs Ford. This is a general statement, that is so damn accurate its not even funny. The reason that Ford America is looking to Australia and Europe for cars is as follows, American fords are absolute garbage with the exception on afew beautiful cars, like the Shelby Gt500 for example. Australain fords are, once again... DESIGNED, CREATED AND MANUFACTURED IN AUSTRALIA. There is no link what so ever to american made cars.

Australian cars are without question the most underrated in the world, with a build quality that is high and above American made cars. Like japanese, German and Korean, The world has long passed america in reference to automobiles. Hence the reason so many american people are totally boy-cotting us made, garbage, unreliable, fuel sucking monsters. This is the reason why American manufactures have been subject to rapidly declining sales for over 18 years now. They last time that an american manufacturer announced record sales was Dailmer Chrysler in 1998, and ford in 1989...

Read your facts, and get them straight. Read a paper or a magazine other then american and you might learn some truth about the rest of the world...

And again, AUSTRALIAN HOLDENS AND FORDS ARE AUSTRALIAN!!! A U S T R A L I A N!!!!!! not American!!!! Open your eyes and stop speaking rubbish!! The Boss 290 was designed from the ground up in AUSTRALIA!!! A U S T R A L I A!!! We have no reason to take anything from american cars, why? Because we make better cars, why would we use methods that we have advanced apon? LEADED FUEL IN AUSTRALIA?? ARE YOU BLOODY BRAINDEAD???? DAMMIT!!! Your stupidity really pisses me off!!!

OPEN AN ATLAS!!!! READ A BOOK!!! VISIT A AUSTRALIAN WEBSITE!! STOP BEING DUMBASSES!!!!

FYI............................ WWW.FORD.COM.AU
.............................. WWW.HOLDEN.COM.AU

Idiots!!!!

ORIGINAL: AussieMtrnme

And again, AUSTRALIAN HOLDENS AND FORDS ARE AUSTRALIAN!!! A U S T R A L I A N!!!!!! not American!!!! Open your eyes and stop speaking rubbish!! The Boss 290 was designed from the ground up in AUSTRALIA!!! A U S T R A L I A!!! We have no reason to take anything from american cars, why? Because we make better cars, why would we use methods that we have advanced apon? LEADED FUEL IN AUSTRALIA?? ARE YOU BLOODY BRAINDEAD???? DAMMIT!!! Your stupidity really pisses me off!!!

OPEN AN ATLAS!!!! READ A BOOK!!! VISIT A AUSTRALIAN WEBSITE!! STOP BEING DUMBASSES!!!!

FYI............................ WWW.FORD.COM.AU
.............................. WWW.HOLDEN.COM.AU

Idiots!!!!


Not Designed in Australia, it was designed for the Australian market.

Att. Andrew

Mate, Again... If you dont know what your talking about, dont speak...

Go read a book and get your facts straight, Your talking ****. Are you aware that the
boss 290 is being built on Ford Australia's first V8 production line? After being designed in
Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. How do i know? Because a mate that works with ford was one
people that worked on it...

Idiot, stop talking ****...

After witnessing comments like, "Falcon is a Pontiac, and Australia is still using Leaded Fuel"
its as apparent that Americans know absolutly nothing about the word outside of their own.
Go back to your ****ty Mustangs, its the poor mans sports car, One of the most overrated
car i have ever driven.

Idiot...

ORIGINAL: AussieMtrnme

Mate, Again... If you dont know what your talking about, dont speak...

Go read a book and get your facts straight, Your talking ****. Are you aware that the
boss 290 is being built on Ford Australia's first V8 production line? After being designed in
Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. How do i know? Because a mate that works with ford was one
people that worked on it...

Idiot, stop talking ****...

After witnessing comments like, "Falcon is a Pontiac, and Australia is still using Leaded Fuel"
its as apparent that Americans know absolutly nothing about the word outside of their own.
Go back to your ****ty Mustangs, its the poor mans sports car, One of the most overrated
car i have ever driven.

Idiot...


Yikes!

Calm down their Aussie. No sense getting all fired up over someone who isn't familiar with the vehicles that are roaming around the land down under. If your here to educate us then by all means educate, but not with name calling (I'd hate to see this whole thread turn in to a flame war since I am interested in learning about these cars a little more.)


If you really feel that badly about the Mustang so be it. You be happy with your 4 thousand some pound 4 door sedan(If i'm wrong about the weight correct me. I really am not familiar with how much these cars weigh) and let the Mustang guys will be happy with their cars.

Ok, I now live in Las Vegas. I lived in Australia for 19 years, i know how the ford and holden body has evolved, i have seen
every model released over the past two decades. "What body style did the falcon come from?" you ask mr "androdz"

..... well, here i go.....


The Falcon made its debut in America with the XK, which was built in 1960 and was in production till 1967. In 1964, the XM
Falcon was designed and engineered in Australia by Australian engineers. In 1965 we released the XP falcon, then in 68 the
XR falcon which was the first falcon to house a V8. The XR Falcon was also the first model to carry the GT badge.

Then there was our XT Falcon, followed by the XW and XY, thoughout the early 70's. In 1971, we launched the XA, And at
that time there was no longer a US equivalent, the car was designed specifically for the local aussie market.

Have you ever seen Mad Max?? The famous Black Interceptor, which is a Ford Falcon XB Coupe, V8 351. And then in 1974,
The yellow interceptor featured in the movies released following... Funny, wasnt that filmed in australia???

Three years before this in 68, australian engineers traveled to the untited states to produce clay models for the yanks. The
design impressed. then the ford head office which was in Detroit, soon after gave the go-ahead for a design centre at
Broadmeadows, Victoria.

then came the XB and XC, which featured four-wheel disc brakes, four-barrel carburetors and an all-time classic Falcon, the
Cobra. As always, Australia played a huge part of the development of technology that is used world wide today.

The XD and the XE falcons marked the introduction of electronic fuel injection which then took Ford to number one in the
market in 1982. The XF then introduced Ford’s engine management system, EEC-IV which was a bench mark in automotive
design. A new shape for Falcon came with the EA, and then the EB and subsequent EB II.

The final facelift for the EA shape came with the ED in 1992. August 1994 saw a new shape and an Australian Design with the
EF falcon. While the EL was available in 1997, the The $700 million AU Falcon which was produced in 1998 then took over as the
premier vehicle offered by ford Australia.

Over the past 10 years advancments continued with the release of the "Tickford" series, which were race tuned versions of
several falcons. The AU2, the XR-6 and the XR8. The Au2 series was in production untill 2002. In 2002 Ford launched the
all-new BA Falcon, and then progressed on that design till 2004 with the BA MK2. And the current falcon the XT which is
currently in production with both XR6 and XR8 versions.

in 2002 Tickford was then renamed as FPV, "Ford performance vehicles", and after 4 years in development, ford released its
new powerhouse, the BOSS 290 which was designed, and manufatured in the ford bendigo facility in Victoria. Whith this came
the release of the new line of falcons, the GT, GT-P, PERSUIT, SUPER PERSUIT, THE F6 TYPHOON AND THE F6 TORNADO.

To answer your question... "What body style did the falcon come from?" And the short answer, Over 40 years of Australian
engineering, design, blood sweat and tears you bloody idiot! The design of the new range of aussie ford falcons is a new edge,
a celebration of the australian falcon hitory!

At this point, By now you should be hanging your head in shame!!!

You said..... "Ive worked with Vehicle Development for 5 years and have got to know almost every car built, not just in the US.. "

.............. Long Pause..............

Yeah, but you missed the part about the Ford falcon?? Without question, one of the most significant vehicles in the history of
automotive development, a car that was one of the upmost foundation for a large portion of mechanical technology that is
avaialble in any car today! A Car that has been in australian production for over 40 years!!!! And you say that it is a copy of
the Pontiac GTO?? Hang your head in shame!!!

This is the Short history of the AUSSIE FORD FALCON! written by an
Australian for americans that dont know **** about automotive History.



------------------------------------- And for you, "LILMike"......... who said, "You be happy with your 4 thousand some pound 4 door sedan"



I drive a 1970 Datsun 240Z restored, fully redesigned and re-produced. She "Seyah" weighs in at just over 2,400 Lbs, Housing a custom
build 327 V8, J302 Motorsport heads, a solid roller road cam, NASCAR rate springs, forged pistons, and redesigned bottom end with stronger
rod bolts, with a Victor Jr intake and 780 Holley on top. This motor and flywheel weighs only 40 pounds more than the L24 that it replaced.
The engine is set up for a 7500 RPM red line. the crank attaches to an aluminum flywheel, hydraulic throw-out bearing, and then to a WC T-5
transmission.

The body has been totally re-modified to a modern standard. The front flares are 4" wider (per side) and the rears are 4.5" wider per side.
This allows 315/35ZR17 tires on 11" wide wheels with a 5" backspacing using coil-overs. Now pushing 435Hp, and weighing in, gain at only
2400lbs. 0-60 in 1.2 Seconds. Bring any Ford Mustang down you can find to meet me on the drag line, The only vehicle that can stand any
chance against me on the sprint is a modified superbike, which often get left for dead.



Enjoy this read... I will be here for your replies......

If the comment I made above about the Falcon pissed you off in any way. My bad I didn't mean it in a way to piss you off. Also thanks for the info above I'm going to start reading it now.

It just really irritates me when Australia in Neglected. %80 of america has no idea how far we have come. As a nation we
are extreamly technologically advanced, our history of research and development in every field (not just automotive) has
in many ways paved the ways for future research platforms all over the world.. People really need to open their eyes and
start learning about the rest of the world, and not just about what lies within American society.

America is not a planet, it is a county. There is an incredible world out there, beyond United States borders. I get really mad
when yanks simply "pass off" and "neglect the world", When people just asume "Its the best because its american, nothing
else matters, we're american, we make the best cars because they are american, yadda yadda yadda.."

do you see my point???

Come on, one guy said that we still use leaded fuel. I have had people that honestly beleive that we are in a way a 3rd world
country. I have even had people ask me if Kangaroo's and dingo's attack people. "DID THAT DINGO REALLY STEAL THAT BABY!!"
a stupid lady asked me, "NO YOU DUMB BITCH, THERE WAS NO DINGO BABY!!" And NO I WILL NOT PUT ANOTHER DAMN SHRIMP
ON YOUR FREAKIN BARBIE!!!!"

i think you know what im saying...

If you want to know about Australian cars, you must understand. It is a constant battle to the death, a blood war between Ford And Holden. So much so, that a "Race" series (Like your nascar with corners) Was created just so the two manufactures could battle it out to once and for all proclaim a winner. They have been fighting for over 43 Years now, with no end in sight. Not only is this a great race, but it also fuels both car makers to try to out do each other constantly, and with that, they are always trying to create new technologies to get an advantage over the other.

The public..... because of this fued.. We get race tuned specialty cars that are a direct product from this battle and We get incredible technology at a consumer level. These advances in technology, and in the quality of our cars are appent as soon as you take the wheel. This technology is often passed onto american car makers, but often.. People get the impression that it was an american idea and or product.. While that is rarly the case..

If you likes the ford FPV range, check out Holdens HSV line up... Very nice...

HOLDEN HSV PERFORMANCE VEHICLES: http://www.hsv.com.au/index_eseries.asp

*sighes* You Aussie bastards get all the good stuff it seems. Quick question. I've been searching for the answer for a while now and couldn't find it anywhere. Were the Manaros on the same plantforms as the GTO and Chevelles were. I seen a pick of a old school Aussie muscle car that claimed it was a Manaro (I only seen the front keep in mind) And I got the impression it was somehow related to Chevelle for some odd reason. Maybe I'm just imagining the simlarities.

Thanks for the reply mate, i appreciate an intelligent question...

The original Monaro was produced from 1968 to 1979 by Holden Australia. It was originally introduced as a two-door
pillarless hardtop coupe based on the HK series Kingswood sedan, Which later become the Monaro 'GTS' and 'GTS 327'.

Go here if you want to learn more mate..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Monaro

In comparison to GTO's and chevelle's, the platform was completly different. Though there were diffinetly several
mechanical and design simularities. As the GTS 327' model were powered by Chevrolet's 327 in³/5. L 'small block' V8;

Cheers!

If you really Want to understand about Classic and modern Aussie cars, go to CARDOMAIN.com and do a
search for HOLDENS and FORDS in australia only. Search within the years of 1927 to 1975. and then 75 - 06

To check out, "Holden Torana, panal vans, The HQ and the FJ..."

Also...... you might find this interesting, This is the Sandman concept. A new version
of the aussie icon, The panal Van. This car will be in production late 2007...

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sandman21280x10249vw.jpg

LOL. If I ever knocked some chick up and I had to buy a van that would be it hehhe.

Another question. As you mentioned above about the Aussie brands developing new tech to compete with each other and then having some of the tech brought over to the states I wanted to ask this question. The engines that Ford Au develop seem to be their own one offs that were never used in any other Ford vehicles (referin to the 5.4 thats in the Falcoln). It was either you or someone else that done posted info that the 5.4 that's bring run in the Falcoln is not the same one that was in the 2000 Cobra R.

Alright heres the actual question. Ford Au seems to develop their own engines and kinda saids F Ford US (not saying they actualy say that but you get my drift) While Holden uses Corvette engines in the Manaro and the other vehicles in their line up. What I'm getting is. Is Holden like Ford Au and develop their own engines, or do they take the engines GM develops for the Corvette here in the states.

Keep in mind I'm not up to date on how it works in Australia, but here in the states the Vette has always gotten the new engines before the F bodys did (LS1,LS6,LS2) Does the Manaro always follow the Vette (I assume the Vette prowls the streets there) and gets a new engine when the Vette gets updated or does the Manaro get those engines right off the bat.

Also thanks for the info above I'm going to start reading it now.

Through-out the history of the Holden Make, especially the early days (1927 - 1975) most engines were mainly american
influenced if not american designed, but on most occasions the engines were re-modified for the Australian market. A large
array of technology that is used today was researched and became standard on cutomized aussie engines, which were then
ported back the the states to be used on future american production lines.

Many premier holden and ford models have had their own engines designed and manufactured in Australia, buit in the past
it was rare. As there are only about 20 million people in the country (similar populalton as the state of New York), there are
only so many engines that could be sold, the cost to produce them was not always feesable.

We have had V6 production lines for over 4 decades, only in 2004 was the first Aussie V8 production line created for our
bohemoth Boss290 which is home in the new line of Ford falcons. The mechanical connections between australian and
american cars has always been strong, only in the past 30 years have we begun to totally shy away from any american
influence.

As you can tell, The Holden monaro was exported.. Our first car to leave the country (regardless of the fact it was given
another name). Now ford is looking to import our falcons, including out famous "UTE" to compete with the newly designed
alcamino that GM is thinking of producing..

Makes me wonder, Gm could just as easily import the Holden Vn and Vr commodore Ute's instead on designing another.

Australian car makers are really hitting the big time right now. this is the start of another bright chapter...

And We dont really have any Vette;s in Australia, just like the mustang, We have no need for them. With the line
up of cars we have from aussie, korean and japanese car makers, we have plenty of better alternatives. The car makes
that are available are.... There are a couple of americans in there

Alfa Romeo
Audi
BMW
Chrysler
Daewoo
Ferrari
Au Ford
Honda
Holden
Hyundai
Jaguar
Kia
Lamborghini
Mazda
Mercedes-Benz
Mini
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Peugeot
Porsche
Rover
Saab
Subaru
Suzuki
Toyota
Volkswagen
Volvo

Plus, your forgetting one thing... We have one thing that America will most likly never have.
"The Nissan Skyline" Actually, you guys are getting the GT-R right? in spring 2008 i think...

but not the classics... http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/gtrr34_01.jpg

Yea the GT-R I think hits are shores some time around 08 or 09. I don't think your average joes will be driving them though I heard their is suppose to be a high price tag to go with it.

So the Aussie engineers developed the LSx line or they just helped along with the development. I was always under the impression that the LSX engines were developed first for the Vette and they were obviously handed down to the brands that belonged to GM.

The GT-R is around the $160k mark i think, Sure its a beautiful car... But they are not going to be available to %90 of the poulation which is a stupid move. The Skylines that
i am used to seeing can be picked up anywhere between the $15k to $60k mark, a second hand 1998 skyline is not an expensive car in australia, mainly because we imorted
to many of then over the last 10 years..

Regardless of the Gt-r's tag, my datsun will still slaughter it... ;)

No, i think the Lsx was designed in The states. I know that there was alot of german influence in its development, but it remained an Americcan engine. We keep talking about
all of these Aussie and American engines. Its the Japanese engineered engines that are the real stunners. Japanese do make the best cars, we all know that, followed by the
germans. The english, they have had many claims to fame, koreans not so much, but they have alot of potencial and will become much better at what they do....

Have you driven the Hyandai Sanota and Azera? That azera has some balls man. It gets goin when you drop your foot, im curious to what could be done with it with
afew simple mods, there is a guy in new york that wacked a turbo on one, im not to sure how that ended up...

Oh I agree. The Japanese cars are sweet, Just am not really fond of them as I use to be. I've lately been taking a liking more in to the US, and German cars as of late. Mainly the Vettes, and Camaros is what got me in to the domestic cars.

I haven't really looked in to the Hyandai. I didn't know they had anything going on.

Japanese cars really are in a class of their own, I used to be a fan of bigger cars. But i dont beleive that anyone should have
a car bigger then what they need. Global warming is a fact of life that nobody in this country seems to give two ****s about.
With the rate that it is progressing, it is now becomeing a factor that will affect my children, definetly my childrens children.

The japanese and koreans know this, they produce smaller cars, with smaller engines. That amazingly put out huge amounts
of power and torque considering the small amount of fuel that is consumed. True the cars are smaller, but they do make some
large cars that still do very well, The toyota camry for example.. incredible car, i love driving it.

My 1970 240Z is designed to do one thing, go really fast in a short amount of time. But with my ECU and onboard computer
sytem, with the touch of a button i can alternate the setup of the entire car from the engine, the the hydrolic air tuned suspension,
to adjust to Drag, Drift, Race, Or Road conditions. (ofcourse some mechanical changes are always required).

But that is not my every day driver, that would be unnecasary and in no way economical. I am working on another 240Z right now
that will be running either a turbo charged 4 cylinder, or even a rotary taken from a RX-8. Both can be very fuel efficiant unless
you put your foot down. Which i never do unless there is a checkered flag waiting for me at the finish..

I see people that live alone, have no wife, no kids, no dogs and no friends driving around in Hummers.. Totally selfish. Huge
ford F350's jacked up on monsterous wheels and insane suspension systems, but they never even see the dirt. These are
the things that really make me mad these days. I dont know how many times i have wanted to stick a potato in the exauhst
pipes and vinigar in the gas tanks of cars like that..

ORIGINAL: AussieMtrnme

Mate, Again... If you dont know what your talking about, dont speak...

Go read a book and get your facts straight, Your talking ****. Are you aware that the
boss 290 is being built on Ford Australia's first V8 production line? After being designed in
Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. How do i know? Because a mate that works with ford was one
people that worked on it...

Idiot, stop talking ****...

After witnessing comments like, "Falcon is a Pontiac, and Australia is still using Leaded Fuel"
its as apparent that Americans know absolutly nothing about the word outside of their own.
Go back to your ****ty Mustangs, its the poor mans sports car, One of the most overrated
car i have ever driven.

Idiot...

You, sir........need to take a pill and calm down. 95% of Americans don't have a clue about Australian made cars, so some ignorance in this subject is going to be par for the course. I myself didn't know much about the Falcon platform until a couple of years ago when I did some research on the web about them and their history. And we aren't necessarily the only ppl on this planet that are behind in our Australian automotive knowledge. I have a friend that hails from Germany and a co-worker from Brazil that knew even less about FPV or Holden than I did when I brought the subject up a few months ago. Australia's auto industry has just been under the radar for a very long time......so don't get so pissed because someone doesn't happen to know as much as you do about it. That would be like me expecting someone from Japan to understand the legacy of the Plymouth Barracuda. As many ppl in this country know what you mean when you talk about a Hemi 'Cuda, it doesn't pass intelligently that everyone in the world shares that knowledge.

But coming in here and insulting everyone and their dedication to the mustang hobby isn't gonna win you any supporters. I appreciate you bringing the uneducated up to speed about Australia's automotive legacy, but you don't have to be such an elitist b*tch about it. Nor do I believe you speak for all Australians in this matter. I happen to know for a fact that there's a huge fan following for the mustang and the corvette in Australia. Obviously you've never been to any of the National Concours down there if you believe Australians have no use for or infatuation with the Mustang. Try going to one and telling the fellas you meet that they're wasting their time on those American junkyards and see how fast you get booted.

Now, getting back on track here.........before your total beatdown on anyone that doesn't know every detail of Australian automotive history, I'm very aware of the quality and performance of the products that Ford Au, Holden, and FPV are pushing out nowadays. Read my earlier posts in here.........I'd LOVE to have a GT-P sitting in the garage next to my GT right now. Unfortunately, the chances of such a finely crafted automobile making it (with its quality and performance intact) to the U.S. shores is minimal at best. The big auto union culture that is stubbornly deep-rooted in this country is the main reason U.S. manufacturer's have such a hard time turning out decent products these days. Until something happens to change that, the big 3 U.S. carmakers will continue to suffer in their profit earnings.

In closing, I just want to say that everyone has the right to express their own opinion. But their is a fine line between being the voice of descent, and being a flamer when you come in here yelling at everyone. I'm sorry if you're having such a sh**ty time dealing with Americans and all of our stupidity. No one is holding a gun to your head to live here. And since this is a forum website dedicated to the mustang hobby, I'd refrain from voicing your opinions about them in such an immature manner:

Go back to your ****ty Mustangs, its the poor mans sports car, One of the most overrated

You don't like them, that's fine. But I didn't see anyone trashing any Australian-made cars in this thread, so you are way off base with your insults mate. Just remember, your homeland is just a plane ticket away..........don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'm done.