I think you guys who love the clevelands so much have little experience in the winsor arena. The Winsor is far superior. Like I said all we used to run were clevelands, including my father our drag racing experience with clevelands stretches 2 decades and we always got the best stuff that was used up from bob glidden in NHRA. 21st century racers with the big dollar would run the cleveland if there was an advantage, there isnt, thats all there is to it. They are extremely tempermental, take a ton of work to make the same power as winsors and have nowhere near the reliability. As to the cleveland market. Sorry but your prayers for a resurgence like an FE is not gonna happen. Regardless of australia. Let the cleveland rest already.
That is quite an assumption. You know what they say when you make an assumption.
Where did anyone say anything about racing Clevelands? We're talking about street. Going back to first Cleve entry, it was all about the street. Now, I'm not one for street racing...I leave that up to the 19-year-old idiots.
Cleveland lives.
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I think you guys who love the clevelands so much have little experience in the winsor arena. The Winsor is far superior. Like I said all we used to run were clevelands, including my father our drag racing experience with clevelands stretches 2 decades and we always got the best stuff that was used up from bob glidden in NHRA. 21st century racers with the big dollar would run the cleveland if there was an advantage, there isnt, thats all there is to it. They are extremely tempermental, take a ton of work to make the same power as winsors and have nowhere near the reliability. As to the cleveland market. Sorry but your prayers for a resurgence like an FE is not gonna happen. Regardless of australia. Let the cleveland rest already.
That is quite an assumption. You know what they say when you make an assumption.
Where did anyone say anything about racing Clevelands? We're talking about street. Going back to first Cleve entry, it was all about the street. Now, I'm not one for street racing...I leave that up to the 19-year-old idiots.
Cleveland lives.
An assumption, most definately. But we all know anyone playing with clevelands are 99% older folks, older folks who are stuck in there ways as demonstrated by their love for dinosaur clevelands in this thread. Regardless I will concede, long live the cleveland
I think you guys who love the clevelands so much have little experience in the winsor arena. The Winsor is far superior. Like I said all we used to run were clevelands, including my father our drag racing experience with clevelands stretches 2 decades and we always got the best stuff that was used up from bob glidden in NHRA. 21st century racers with the big dollar would run the cleveland if there was an advantage, there isnt, thats all there is to it. They are extremely tempermental, take a ton of work to make the same power as winsors and have nowhere near the reliability. As to the cleveland market. Sorry but your prayers for a resurgence like an FE is not gonna happen. Regardless of australia. Let the cleveland rest already.
That is quite an assumption. You know what they say when you make an assumption.
Where did anyone say anything about racing Clevelands? We're talking about street. Going back to first Cleve entry, it was all about the street. Now, I'm not one for street racing...I leave that up to the 19-year-old idiots.
Cleveland lives.
An assumption, most definately. But we all know anyone playing with clevelands are 99% older folks, older folks who are stuck in there ways as demonstrated by their love for dinosaur clevelands in this thread. Regardless I will concede, long live the cleveland
Younger guys (ok...so the guy is younger than the dinosaur) and Clevelands:
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1967 Coupe-front disc, rear drum, Shelby 10-spk rims 289 4V-Hol 1850, Ed Torker II, Erson Cam, Roller Rockers, dbl roller, MSD Pro Street dizzy- MSD 6AL - Blaster 2 Toploader-9" rear frnt bench, dlx dash & overhead cons
I think you guys who love the clevelands so much have little experience in the winsor arena. The Winsor is far superior. Like I said all we used to run were clevelands, including my father our drag racing experience with clevelands stretches 2 decades and we always got the best stuff that was used up from bob glidden in NHRA. 21st century racers with the big dollar would run the cleveland if there was an advantage, there isnt, thats all there is to it. They are extremely tempermental, take a ton of work to make the same power as winsors and have nowhere near the reliability. As to the cleveland market. Sorry but your prayers for a resurgence like an FE is not gonna happen. Regardless of australia. Let the cleveland rest already.
That is quite an assumption. You know what they say when you make an assumption.
Where did anyone say anything about racing Clevelands? We're talking about street. Going back to first Cleve entry, it was all about the street. Now, I'm not one for street racing...I leave that up to the 19-year-old idiots.
Cleveland lives.
An assumption, most definately. But we all know anyone playing with clevelands are 99% older folks, older folks who are stuck in there ways as demonstrated by their love for dinosaur clevelands in this thread. Regardless I will concede, long live the cleveland
Younger guys (ok...so the guy is younger than the dinosaur) and Clevelands:
and I bet hes reading an article on a cleveland buildup lolllllllllllllllllll
take a ton of work to make the same power as winsors and have nowhere near the reliability.
please. A stock cleveland can eat a stock windsor for dinner. They are much more powerful already, so it WONT take alot of work to make the same power.
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I think you guys who love the clevelands so much have little experience in the winsor arena. The Winsor is far superior. Like I said all we used to run were clevelands, including my father our drag racing experience with clevelands stretches 2 decades and we always got the best stuff that was used up from bob glidden in NHRA. 21st century racers with the big dollar would run the cleveland if there was an advantage, there isnt, thats all there is to it. They are extremely tempermental, take a ton of work to make the same power as winsors and have nowhere near the reliability. As to the cleveland market. Sorry but your prayers for a resurgence like an FE is not gonna happen. Regardless of australia. Let the cleveland rest already.
That is quite an assumption. You know what they say when you make an assumption.
Where did anyone say anything about racing Clevelands? We're talking about street. Going back to first Cleve entry, it was all about the street. Now, I'm not one for street racing...I leave that up to the 19-year-old idiots.
Cleveland lives.
An assumption, most definately. But we all know anyone playing with clevelands are 99% older folks, older folks who are stuck in there ways as demonstrated by their love for dinosaur clevelands in this thread. Regardless I will concede, long live the cleveland
Younger guys (ok...so the guy is younger than the dinosaur) and Clevelands:
HEY! who took my picture? You guys arguing about clevors and W's are just spitting in the wind to convince each other. Me? I like my old stock C code 289. I can get a speeding ticket just as fast as anyone running a Clevor or a W.
I think you guys who love the clevelands so much have little experience in the winsor arena. The Winsor is far superior. Like I said all we used to run were clevelands, including my father our drag racing experience with clevelands stretches 2 decades and we always got the best stuff that was used up from bob glidden in NHRA. 21st century racers with the big dollar would run the cleveland if there was an advantage, there isnt, thats all there is to it. They are extremely tempermental, take a ton of work to make the same power as winsors and have nowhere near the reliability. As to the cleveland market. Sorry but your prayers for a resurgence like an FE is not gonna happen. Regardless of australia. Let the cleveland rest already.
That is quite an assumption. You know what they say when you make an assumption.
Where did anyone say anything about racing Clevelands? We're talking about street. Going back to first Cleve entry, it was all about the street. Now, I'm not one for street racing...I leave that up to the 19-year-old idiots.
Cleveland lives.
An assumption, most definately. But we all know anyone playing with clevelands are 99% older folks, older folks who are stuck in there ways as demonstrated by their love for dinosaur clevelands in this thread. Regardless I will concede, long live the cleveland
Younger guys (ok...so the guy is younger than the dinosaur) and Clevelands:
Hey is that dinosoar located off of the 10 in so cal?
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+2 The clevland can be made to run but they are by far not the best motor ever built. Sure the new clevland heads are down right awsome, but thats it. lol
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No mention of a 351C makes me sad, it is the best engine Ford ever produced.
Ya I wouldnt go that far, thats for sure. The 4V needs massive amounts of head work, they make no low end torque, you gotta spin them to 9k to make serious power, the blocks were casted horribly and core shift was a major factor and let's not touch on the oiling system. Other than that I loved spinning them up to 8500-9000.
it where the block flexes all negines do it to a certain degree but thats what main girdles are for
Actually, IIRC, Core Shift is when the critical features of an engine block are not exactly located properly due to the casting core shifting when the block is made. From this, you can run into major problems trying to machine and blueprint a block to get everything where it should be and make big power. It has nothing to do with the engine flexing under major torque during operation. It has everything to do with the cylinders, mains, etc. not being precisely located where they are supposed to be.
it where the block flexes all negines do it to a certain degree but thats what main girdles are for
Actually, IIRC, Core Shift is when the critical features of an engine block are not exactly located properly due to the casting core shifting when the block is made. From this, you can run into major problems trying to machine and blueprint a block to get everything where it should be and make big power. It has nothing to do with the engine flexing under major torque during operation. It has everything to do with the cylinders, mains, etc. not being precisely located where they are supposed to be.
EXACTLY 100% RIGHT. Core shift causes problems when trying to bore cylinders or port heads. In either case if the sand mold wasnt in just the right place, and it was off by a few thousandths, you hit water, and while it is easy to take cast iron out, its INCREDIBLY difficult to put back in..
Me, I like the Cleveland. Bottom end issues arise when spinning them over 7500rpm, stay under 7k and you are usually pretty good, as long as its not a top end style car that runs at 6500 for a hundred miles or so. Why arent they used in some types of racing? Unfair advantage, only certain types of engines can be run in certain classes. In Stock and Super Stock they are factored at a much higher HP rating than a Windsor and most Chevys. Making them live isnt too tough, its just expensive because of the attention to detail it requires to run mega high RPM. Thats with any engine.
Lastly.. can we resize the pics before we post them? My screen is only 19" and having to scroll just to read is annoying.... :)
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You guys arguing about clevors and W's are just spitting in the wind to convince each other. Me? I like my old stock C code 289. I can get a speeding ticket just as fast as anyone running a Clevor or a W. 
