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RE: 497hp busa - 5/28/2004 5:12:02 PM
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nomocobra
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that vid is the guy who always dresses in black and never shows his face...
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/28/2004 5:18:00 PM
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nomocobra
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i think its the same guy, i dont remember his website but im pretty sure its him, he just changed the gauges a lil bit. but i could be wrong. im on 56k at the moment, cant watch it
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/28/2004 5:19:17 PM
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TICEngineering
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ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
From the research I've just done:
A stock 4th gen twin turbo Subra has a weight of 3450.2 lbs, 320 horsepower, a top speed of 154.7 mph, and drag coefficient of .320 (Wow a 260hp mustang has the same top speed as a 320hp Supra, and so does my wifes 98 Contour SVT (153mph by car and driver) and it only has 195 hp!)
SOURCES:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=477
http://toyota.jbcarpages.com/Supra/1995/index3.php
First off, very good on the sources, I am being honest. It makes your arguement much more valid if you cite your sources. Now the reason the Supras, atleast the stock ones have a top speed of 155 mph, is they are speed limited. Otherwise, there is a chip on the car that keeps it from going higher then 155 mph, I believe through cutting spark at that point, although im not sure. In order to eliminate this you simply pull the same fuse used for traction control. Here is a site detailing it *although vaguely.* http://www.mkiv.com/main/index.html under "technical articles" then under "other mods/photos"
I never said a stock Supra, so why you give this arguement I dont know.... In fact when I was asked about comparing a stock Busa vs. a stock Supra I said, and again I quote......"Busa wins, thats no surprise. "
What are you argueing here?
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ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
A stock Hayabusa has a weight of 478 lbs, 175 horsepower, a top speed of 191 mph, and a drag coefficient of .270
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http://www.bikez.com/bike/index.php?bike=20321
http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/centre_tech_spec_models.asp?BIKE_ID=14
http://myweb.cableone.net/toddshelton/testdata.html
So, whats my point? Well so far, in addition to the first admitted made up lying post of yours, you also lied about the drag coefficients in your comparison. Also, as far as what d1g1tal said about numerically higher gears being considered "lower" gears - that is an automotive standard and has been used for decades. The Hayabusa has a power to weight ratio 3.91 times higher and a drag coefficient 15.63% lower than the Supra.
Yes I lied about drag coefficents, yet I gave you the exact article that shows where they tested the Hayabusa mind you WITH THE RIDER ON THE BIKE, in a wind tunnel. And came out with .313, which I put in the thread. If you dont believe me all your dumbass has to do, is go back into the article and read it. Your now argueing manufacture claims against actual wind tunnel testing done with the rider on the bike. So if I am full of **** so is my source, Sport Rider magazine is full of **** as well as all the equipment at "Aerodynamics Lab at the National Research Council (NRC) in Ottawa, Canada." You should call them and talk to "Kevin Cooper" who helped them do the research. Tell Kevin their equipment is off and inaccurate and that he doesnt know how to do his job because Suzuki quoted a lower Coefficent of drag on their Busas.......
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ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
So do you wanna use your engineering knowledge to prove to us that a vehicle with nearly 4x the amount of power (Busa) and waaaaaay lower drag resistance (Busa) can be beat by a heaver, less powerful (by comparison), less aerodynamic vehicle (Supra).
Ahhh, so now Supras are "less powerful" the Hayabusas....ok what is your source for this claim? Man apparently we have an entire classroom of retards here. Just for "mdvaldosta's" sake we will call these numbers power. Ok I have already been through this once but apparently I have to do it again:
175 200 225 250 275 300 320
Which is a higher number or a "more powerful" number in measures of power? Ya know the minimum requirement for this or MOST classes is to know HOW TO COUNT. Jesus the kids that come to school on the little yellow bus put you guys to shame......
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ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
For a Supra to run to the exact same top speed as a 497 hp Busa it would require:
497 x 3.91 x 1.1563 = 2,247.00 horsepower to reach the theoretical top speed of the Hayabusa, which I estimate to be around 250 mph. (and thats not taking into consideration the contact friction either, which the Supra has at least twice as much (tire contact).
The general consensus for a Busa is that 175 hp (stock) is good for 200mph (with a gear change), 250 hp is good for 220mph, 350 hp is good for 230mph, and 500 hp will net speeds of right at 250mph.
Damn you owned me here actually using that same formula with these numbers you pulled from who knows where and they must be absolutely correct....give or take 1000 horsepower......
http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/74362/
Observe the Jun-Akira Supra. But you guys are right cars, or Supras whatever you want to compare CANT beat bikes. Damn you guys just HAVE to stop owning me like this.
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ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
Source:
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/index.php
Hey good source, I went to check your source, didnt know whether to see what "Busa4fun" had to say or "Ilikethefeelofitundermycrotch" was more correct in his words. I know they were both using some pretty sophisticated equipment to back up their arguements......
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ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
TIC, know your role - shut your mouth - you've just been 
Damn you got me there, Ive been had, oh my ass it hurts from the beating I just took.....
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/28/2004 6:29:08 PM
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This was one hell of a topic....i just sat there reading for like an hour and checked all the videos....um i only have one thing to say...GET....a nice litle....LIFE...i enjoyed the read though some parts were funny...and that videO was WOOOOOW 
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/28/2004 10:04:24 PM
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D1g1tal V3n0m
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ORIGINAL: TICEngineering
You said Supras cant beat Busas I showed you otherwise. Thats the point.
Thank you Merriam Webster, ill be sure to keep that in mind the next time I need to KEEP REPEATING MYSELF!
Wonderful maybe we will see an "expert" now
They welded the head to the block to keep it from lifting during the incredibly high cylinder pressure. Yes, you can get 150 psi from a triple compound turbo setup. You run one huge one first, liquid to air intercool it, run it into the inlet of the second slightly smaller one, liquid to air intercool it, and finally run it to the inlet of the smallest one air to air intercool it. There is your 150 psi. Are you sure you are around turbochargers all the time if your not familiar with this type of "compound turbocharging?" The backpressure on the exhaust is not very bad considering the exhaust is being routed to the smallest turbine housing first, then the outlet from the turbine is being run into the inlet of the next turbine. Like so but with three different sized turbos.  On the large turbine housings there is not much backpressure created, thats why they are used last within the compounding sequence. If the smallest turbine housing were used last I could see where you arguement would lie, but thats not the case. Indy cars arent diesel....... What does an indy car have to do with a turbo diesel application? Indy cars have spark plugs and run at 10000+ rpms. Diesels are nowhere near the same motor, besides the fact that they have a crank, rods, and pistons.... I didnt say the head was welded together, I said it was welded to the block. As I stated before to keep it from lifting under the pressure, it was O-ringed as well, because a headgasket sure as hell isnt going to hold up under that kind of pressure. No that thing would not be warped to **** you weld in one spot, then move to the other side and weld in that spot, then move to the next side and weld there. I believe this was/would be done after the head was/is initially tightened down with the headbolts or headstuds.
Ok this one I love, cylinder pressure would be so high it would cave the pistons in? Yes because I know that 150 psi is capable of taking this :[img]http://www.supraforums.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=689272[/img] and completely "caving it in"...... I find it highly surprising that you have been around diesels and turbos for 40 years and you are asking me these questions. Have you ever had a good look at the pulling tractor motors and applications? Hell if you were the guy with the Cummins talking to them about how you run 150 psi they would laugh and tell you that you havent even begun to boost. So I dont know if you still work at this infamous place or not but you might want to ask some of your co-workers about it.
Ahh yes, talk to your diesel dragster friends about that. I think they will find a different case then what you say. Here is a 650 horsepower turbo diesel that preaches otherwise. http://www.performancediesel.net/index.html
Yup, he completely owned me.
....there we go that should do for lieing out of my ass for the day. Actually just for ****s and giggles why dont you have your dad go ahead and check up on this stuff at his work. See what he comes up with, and see how much **** im full of once again.
I will apologize that I couldnt throw up the initial Dodge Ram that I saw running the triple turbo system, for some reason it was linked on another forum I visit for about 3 weeks, and afterwards disappeared. It was a car being done by a specific shop and I believe the customer did not want it posted everywhere as he was trying to be discrete about it. It is VERY hard to find information on these big dog high pressure turbo diesels but if you look hard enough youll find it. Or if you work around turbos and diesels all the time I would have thought you would have seen a couple "performance" nuts come in or out of the shop/location/business preaching some performance specs at some point in time or another. But anyway until you guys want more "****" from me just let me know. Or perhaps anymore "experts" to put me in my place.
I already know all about the ****ing triple compound turbo set up. Same as my dad does. But why isn't the guy that welded the head to the block a billionaire? I mean he did find a way to weld cast iron and have it hold. You need to take a class in welding before you make statements that are BS. What is the one way to even remotely weld cast iron and have it hold? I doubt you actually know that.
Putting all this in a IROC Z? Right it would be so nose heavy and would take a HUGE amount of space with the intercooler(s) etc.
My dad wasn't talking about a welding the heads he was talking about welding the heads to the block. How long did it last if it even happened? Not long in the slightest I am willing to bet.
The piston you're talking about I seriously doubt was in a Diesel Dodge Ram Dually.
Diesels making horsepower? Woah 650+hp oh man a 4.6L Cobra motor doesn't make that in a daily driver does it? Tractor trailors are running 2100 lb ft of torque but a max of usually around 600hp. Why is that? Because they don't make the HP like a GASOLINE ENGINE!
Isn't it just amazing that you can't find the article/post when it's convenient. *rollseyes*
It's like my dad said....."He's just a curb racer who took a year in college in engineering and thinks he knows everything".
As for my dad not knowing anything about diesels etc that's funny because he sure seems to know alot more about it then you.
Just get off the forum TIC you and your BS are not wanted here.
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/29/2004 2:38:50 AM
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nomocobra
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
"He's just a curb racer who took a year in college in engineering and thinks he knows everything".
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/29/2004 4:02:42 AM
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TICEngineering
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
I already know all about the ****ing triple compound turbo set up. Same as my dad does. But why isn't the guy that welded the head to the block a billionaire? I mean he did find a way to weld cast iron and have it hold. You need to take a class in welding before you make statements that are BS. What is the one way to even remotely weld cast iron and have it hold? I doubt you actually know that.
Ohhh I dont know maybe use 44 and 55 percent nickel-iron electrodes because they are capable of welding iron without pre or post heating the casting. You could always try Inco Alloys International's Ni-Rod 44 or their Ni-Rod 55. The left over metal from teh ENiFe-CI electrode has a high carbon content, higher then the solubility limit, therefore causing the left over carbon to be rejected as graphite as it solidifies. This causes an increase in the volume that ususally would minimize weld shrinkage during the solidifying process. Because of this the usual stresses in the weld metal and the heated zone on the iron are reduced. Of course as usual you would want to use an argon or argon-helium shielding-gas, but because of the relatively low heat input in this particular process, the hard portion of the heat-affected zone will be limited to the thin layer sitting next to the weld metal. This result in the strength and ductility of the joint to be about the same as the base metal.
Good thing you doubt I actually know it. Here is an actual pdf file from DIPRA outlining how its done. In case your wondering DIPRA is the Ductile Iron Pipe Research Association.
http://www.dipra.org/pdf/fieldCut.pdf
Some other References:
British Cast Iron Research Association,"The Joining and Fabrication of Nodular Iron Castings by Welding" which was copyrighted in 1982 mind you.....
Jefferson, T.B., "Metals and How to Weld Them,"
But as usual you owned me and you were RIGHT again. Damn guys stop with this ownage you have beaten me on sooo many fronts.....
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
Putting all this in a IROC Z? Right it would be so nose heavy and would take a HUGE amount of space with the intercooler(s) etc.
ummm riiiiiight, first off I already told you about that post, I made it up. But even still you can put whatever engine in whatever car you choose. Too nose heavy? Well then push the motor back a bit. Yes it would take alot of space but there is space to be had thats part of what fabrication is all about. Why you even argue this I have NO idea.
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
My dad wasn't talking about a welding the heads he was talking about welding the heads to the block. How long did it last if it even happened? Not long in the slightest I am willing to bet.
"your willing to bet"? Otherwise you have no freakin clue what on earth your talking about. Well whatever you dad was talking about I responded to it above.
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
The piston you're talking about I seriously doubt was in a Diesel Dodge Ram Dually.
The Cummins Diesels use some VERY hefty internals, that particular piston, no, but they are hefty none the less and very sturdy. The fact that someone would even hint at the "piston caving in" on a turbo diesel at only 150 psi is absurd. But whatever I guess "they" are experts......
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
Diesels making horsepower? Woah 650+hp oh man a 4.6L Cobra motor doesn't make that in a daily driver does it? Tractor trailors are running 2100 lb ft of torque but a max of usually around 600hp. Why is that? Because they don't make the HP like a GASOLINE ENGINE!
The dragsters and sled pulling turbo diesels put out over 1000 horsepower, look it up im sick of spoon feeding you all the information. Its funny because even though I spoon feed it to you and give you the sources you STILL tell me im full of ****, do some of your own research im sick of holding your hand.
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
Isn't it just amazing that you can't find the article/post when it's convenient. *rollseyes*
Then I guess im full of ****, after all if you cant see it with your own eyes, im full of it.
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
It's like my dad said....."He's just a curb racer who took a year in college in engineering and thinks he knows everything".
Yes your dad has me figured out well, he seems to have me figured out to a T from the educated posts I have here. Funny how none of you know my name, what I do, how old I am, if I go to school and if I do where I go to school. But you are certainly skilled at figuring me out.
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
As for my dad not knowing anything about diesels etc that's funny because he sure seems to know alot more about it then you.
Thus his vast knowledge on turbo diesel pistons, "caving in" at 150 psi. Triple Compound Turbo setups not being able to produce 150 psi, AND they wont work because of "too much back pressure." And then comparing Indy cars to turbo diesels. Sorry kiddo, but your dad may have alot of knowledge in certain turbo diesels but DEFINATELY not here.....
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
Just get off the forum TIC you and your BS are not wanted here.
Obviously when intelligence comes to this board it needs to get the hell out before someone is "schooled." Maybe I should head off to a board where simple math and an understanding of greater than and less than can be understood......
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/29/2004 10:34:50 AM
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00redGT
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holy **** you guys are fu#@ing gay, only idiots would argue over this all freakin day, who cares whos faster and whos not they are both bad ass machines, now why argue over something like this, you guys are going way to far on this one, typing 1,000 word replies...what a waste, who actually reads all that. anyways im done and TICEngineering
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/29/2004 2:58:45 PM
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D1g1tal V3n0m
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ORIGINAL: TICEngineering
Ohhh I dont know maybe use 44 and 55 percent nickel-iron electrodes because they are capable of welding iron without pre or post heating the casting. You could always try Inco Alloys International's Ni-Rod 44 or their Ni-Rod 55. The left over metal from teh ENiFe-CI electrode has a high carbon content, higher then the solubility limit, therefore causing the left over carbon to be rejected as graphite as it solidifies. This causes an increase in the volume that ususally would minimize weld shrinkage during the solidifying process. Because of this the usual stresses in the weld metal and the heated zone on the iron are reduced. Of course as usual you would want to use an argon or argon-helium shielding-gas, but because of the relatively low heat input in this particular process, the hard portion of the heat-affected zone will be limited to the thin layer sitting next to the weld metal. This result in the strength and ductility of the joint to be about the same as the base metal.
Good thing you doubt I actually know it. Here is an actual pdf file from DIPRA outlining how its done. In case your wondering DIPRA is the Ductile Iron Pipe Research Association.
http://www.dipra.org/pdf/fieldCut.pdf
Some other References:
British Cast Iron Research Association,"The Joining and Fabrication of Nodular Iron Castings by Welding" which was copyrighted in 1982 mind you.....
Jefferson, T.B., "Metals and How to Weld Them,"
But as usual you owned me and you were RIGHT again. Damn guys stop with this ownage you have beaten me on sooo many fronts.....
ummm riiiiiight, first off I already told you about that post, I made it up. But even still you can put whatever engine in whatever car you choose. Too nose heavy? Well then push the motor back a bit. Yes it would take alot of space but there is space to be had thats part of what fabrication is all about. Why you even argue this I have NO idea.
"your willing to bet"? Otherwise you have no freakin clue what on earth your talking about. Well whatever you dad was talking about I responded to it above.
The Cummins Diesels use some VERY hefty internals, that particular piston, no, but they are hefty none the less and very sturdy. The fact that someone would even hint at the "piston caving in" on a turbo diesel at only 150 psi is absurd. But whatever I guess "they" are experts......
The dragsters and sled pulling turbo diesels put out over 1000 horsepower, look it up im sick of spoon feeding you all the information. Its funny because even though I spoon feed it to you and give you the sources you STILL tell me im full of ****, do some of your own research im sick of holding your hand.
Then I guess im full of ****, after all if you cant see it with your own eyes, im full of it.
Yes your dad has me figured out well, he seems to have me figured out to a T from the educated posts I have here. Funny how none of you know my name, what I do, how old I am, if I go to school and if I do where I go to school. But you are certainly skilled at figuring me out.
Thus his vast knowledge on turbo diesel pistons, "caving in" at 150 psi. Triple Compound Turbo setups not being able to produce 150 psi, AND they wont work because of "too much back pressure." And then comparing Indy cars to turbo diesels. Sorry kiddo, but your dad may have alot of knowledge in certain turbo diesels but DEFINATELY not here.....
Obviously when intelligence comes to this board it needs to get the hell out before someone is "schooled." Maybe I should head off to a board where simple math and an understanding of greater than and less than can be understood......
Haha actually the best way to weld Cast iron is furnace brazing or metal stitching.
You want facts? Ok here they come...
"Fusion welding
Fusion welding is a skill that can take years to master. It requires actual melting and puddling of base metal as the filler material is added. Fusion welding is used primarily on dense castings that can be machined after the welding is done. (Cylinder heads are excellent subjects for fusion welding but engine blocks are not.) A 1300ºF to 1500ºF preheat is required. For a heating source, use natural gas or diesel fuel. Do not use propane. Use oxy-acetylene gas and bare cast iron rod for the fusion welding process. Heat the part and maintain it at bright red during the entire welding procedure. Cast iron melts at approximately 2300ºF. A post heat of 1300ºF to 1500ºF for 15 minutes is needed. Slow cool the part over 24 hours."
Taken from here...
http://www.locknstitch.com/PreheatWeld.htm
http://www.locknstitch.com/Metal_Stitching.htm
He didn't say that a triple compound set up wouldn't be able to acheieve 150pis he was just talking about yours and putting it on the motor etc like you claimed you were doing or had been done.
So that piston wasn't in the Cummins then huh? Yet you said "Let's see it cave this in" like it was. Once again putting something out there to suit your needs.
Woan 1000hp on a diesel? Oh man. *rollseyes* How big are the motors there genius? Weight? Last time I checked dragsters were making over 4500+HP and daily drivers are doing 700+rwhp in 03 Cobras, 96-98 Cobra's etc. But hell 1000hp must be a milestone. *rollseyes*
And ****ing Christ for someone as "high and mighty" and intelligent as you're supposed to be you're spelling leaves quite a bit to be desired.
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/29/2004 11:24:22 PM
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TICEngineering
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ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
Ok, I just realized that in now way does TIC have an engineering degree. Don't you have to pass a some sort of comprehension test to get to anywere past high school? Joking aside, TIC once again you have admitted to lying about your "facts". Frankly I don't even know why I bother with posting anything, save for the fact that I get bored on occasion. You do know that power to weight ratio and drag are the only factors that make any kind of significant difference as far as speed is concerned.
I said and I quote AGAIN, FOR THE SECOND TIME to the guy that criticizing me for my "comprehension","But at higher speeds aerodynamics, gearing, and power factor in MUCH more then with a 1/4 mile race."
NOW DID YOU READ THAT! DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF MY POSTS UNLESS YOU READ THAT! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
Even still you will reply to another post saying something stupid about something I ALREADY said....
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I've already proved my point that the Busa in question has nearly 4x the power (power to weight ratio dumbass) and is by far more aerodynamic. You can't deny either one of those facts, so instead of constantly trying to go off an all kinds of other bs made up lies to prove you're right, how about just proving that power to weight ratio isn't important and neither is weight. All that matters is horsepower. Go ahead and prove it. Thats what you've been saying all along.
No what I have been saying all along is that it isnt as important in a roll race as it is in a 1/4 mile race. Now did you read that? I just said again DO I NEED TO SAY AGAIN AFTER THAT! I also stated how roll races are a different breed of race then 1/4 or from 0 races. Why is this sooo hard to comprehend? Your an idiot pure and simple I have said this TIME and TIME again read my past posts moron.
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RE: 497hp busa - 5/29/2004 11:41:40 PM
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TICEngineering
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ORIGINAL: D1g1tal V3n0m
Haha actually the best way to weld Cast iron is furnace brazing or metal stitching.
You want facts? Ok here they come...
"Fusion welding
Fusion welding is a skill that can take years to master. It requires actual melting and puddling of base metal as the filler material is added. Fusion welding is used primarily on dense castings that can be machined after the welding is done. (Cylinder heads are excellent subjects for fusion welding but engine blocks are not.) A 1300ºF to 1500ºF preheat is required. For a heating source, use natural gas or diesel fuel. Do not use propane. Use oxy-acetylene gas and bare cast iron rod for the fusion welding process. Heat the part and maintain it at bright red during the entire welding procedure. Cast iron melts at approximately 2300ºF. A post heat of 1300ºF to 1500ºF for 15 minutes is needed. Slow cool the part over 24 hours."
Taken from here...
http://www.locknstitch.com/PreheatWeld.htm
http://www.locknstitch.com/Metal_Stitching.htm
What the hell? You tell me its impossible to weld an Iron block to an Iron head. Which mind you was DONE BY ANOTHER SHOP, I was simply stating what they had to do to get the setup to work. Then your moronic ass comes back and tells me yet another technique for welding iron to iron. So then what the hell were you argueing in the first place? That the shop's setup that I was modeling my fictional setup off of was incorrect? Your an idiot shut your mouth I have refuted every point I have made and you have not "owned" me on a damn thing.
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He didn't say that a triple compound set up wouldn't be able to acheieve 150pis he was just talking about yours and putting it on the motor etc like you claimed you were doing or had been done.
Yes he did when he said," There isn't any way you could get 150psi from a triple compound set up." That is the exact words taken from the post, EXACT WORDS! So now he didnt say that? I claimed that motor had been done, THAT was true, I made up the motor my shop was doing because in that thread a bunch of people from this board were being douchebags.....gee how come that doesnt surprise me anymore.
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So that piston wasn't in the Cummins then huh? Yet you said "Let's see it cave this in" like it was. Once again putting something out there to suit your needs.
That was a turbo diesel piston, aka very hefty and built, aka anyone who thinks it will "cave in" is a moron. I see the genes have been passed on.......
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Woan 1000hp on a diesel? Oh man. *rollseyes* How big are the motors there genius? Weight? Last time I checked dragsters were making over 4500+HP and daily drivers are doing 700+rwhp in 03 Cobras, 96-98 Cobra's etc. But hell 1000hp must be a milestone. *rollseyes*
What are you argueing here? They go higher in horsepower but now to make "any horsepower" it has to make more then a dragster? Seriously tell me WHAT THE HELL your argueing here?
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And ****ing Christ for someone as "high and mighty" and intelligent as you're supposed to be you're spelling leaves quite a bit to be desired.
Usually when a helpless animal is cornered it will resort to the "spelling" arguement in his ohhh so intellectual debates.
BEFORE ANY MORONS POST AGAIN THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR ARGUEING, IF YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVE ME WRONG SOMEWHERE AND HAVE PROOF POST IT OTHERWISE SHUT YOUR TRAP.
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*fart* ahhhhhhhh...... 
