Who would win between the two a brand new mustang gt 2006 vs a 1997 camaro ss with automatic and teh gt is a manual transmission both are stock. Who would win in an all out drag race.
Contrary to what everybody keeps spouting the LS1 is not faster stock than a new 05 or '06 Mustang GT (if you go by magazine stats and what I've seen at plenty of drag strips) so should be a drivers race. I have raced a stock LS1 and had him by more than a car, how do I know he was stock, because he showed me, he had so few miles on it the thing could have been only a few months old it was so pristine. Racing a stock LT1 is fine for when you want to feel good about your car knowing you should have an easy win.
Bottom line, internet racing gets you nowhere so if you know of someone with one, race him and see how it goes because it will be close and if you don't have skills be prepared to see tail-lights.
Now I'll put on my flame suit as the LS1 is God posters come to melt me for saying the mighty LS1 can lose, in any configuration...
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the gt should easily pull away, assuming a good driver mod in in place the situation would reverse if it were a 98 SS, which usually run 13.2-13.6 stock, while our gt would run about half a second slower stock
Your first sentance contradicts the second, good driver mod meets bad driver mod? How will a good driver compete with a 13.2 stock SS if the Mustang in stock form is only good for 14.0 per your post? Even though I have an idea what you're trying to say, I'm in an argumentative mood....
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Contrary to what everybody keeps spouting the LS1 is not faster stock than a new 05 or '06 Mustang GT (if you go by magazine stats and what I've seen at plenty of drag strips) so should be a drivers race. I have raced a stock LS1 and had him by more than a car, how do I know he was stock, because he showed me, he had so few miles on it the thing could have been only a few months old it was so pristine. Racing a stock LT1 is fine for when you want to feel good about your car knowing you should have an easy win since this is internet racing.
Bottom line, internet racing gets you nowhere so if you know of someone with one, race him and see how it goes because it will be close and if you don't have skills be prepared to see tail-lights.
Now I'll put on my flame suit as the LS1 is God posters come to melt me for saying the mighty LS1 can lose, in any configuration...
Eh, don't worry about it viking. For those who actually get out there and do it, it shouldn't matter whether the internet racers believe u or not. This is the main reason I don't post kill stories. Most of the stories will be believed......but a few will be argued to the death by certain posters/flamers. I know what I accomplish at the track and on the streets....so I feel no need to put it up in here for other ppl to make me feel that much better about it.
Cars can only do so much ppl........the driver HAS to do the rest. So, anything can happen.
Contrary to what everybody keeps spouting the LS1 is not faster stock than a new 05 or '06 Mustang GT (if you go by magazine stats and what I've seen at plenty of drag strips) so should be a drivers race. I have raced a stock LS1 and had him by more than a car, how do I know he was stock, because he showed me, he had so few miles on it the thing could have been only a few months old it was so pristine. Racing a stock LT1 is fine for when you want to feel good about your car knowing you should have an easy win since this is internet racing.
Bottom line, internet racing gets you nowhere so if you know of someone with one, race him and see how it goes because it will be close and if you don't have skills be prepared to see tail-lights.
Now I'll put on my flame suit as the LS1 is God posters come to melt me for saying the mighty LS1 can lose, in any configuration...
Eh, don't worry about it viking. For those who actually get out there and do it, it shouldn't matter whether the internet racers believe u or not. This is the main reason I don't post kill stories. Most of the stories will be believed......but a few will be argued to the death by certain posters/flamers. I know what I accomplish at the track and on the streets....so I feel no need to put it up in here for other ppl to make me feel that much better about it.
Cars can only do so much ppl........the driver HAS to do the rest. So, anything can happen.
Agreed, I saw a poor fool in a so very nice 2003 Cobra running high 15's at the drag strip because he launched as if the devil himself was after him. I spent 10 minutes with him explaining how to launch a car on street tires with that much power, by the end of the day he was running 13.0's at 112 and smiling like he had just gotten some. I felt like a proud Ford owner that day!
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I had a '99 LS1 formula and it definately felt stronger than the mustang. However, it (6spd) was probably the hardest car to launch that I've ever driven. Bog or smoke, no middle ground.
I had a '95 LT1 formula also, it seemed to be really torquey down low but ran out of breath in the upper rpm's.
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Agreed, I saw a poor fool in a so very nice 2003 Cobra running high 15's at the drag strip because he launched as if the devil himself was after him. I spent 10 minutes with him explaining how to launch a car on street tires with that much power, by the end of the day he was running 13.0's at 112 and smiling like he had just gotten some. I felt like a proud Ford owner that day!
Good work man.......maybe you can give me some pointers sometime. I haven't been to the track with the 05 yet........and now that she's blown but still on the stock Pirelli's, I'll have my hands full on the launches
I had a '99 LS1 formula and it definately felt stronger than the mustang. However, it (6spd) was probably the hardest car to launch that I've ever driven. Bog or smoke, no middle ground.
I had a '95 LT1 formula also, it seemed to be really torquey down low but ran out of breath in the upper rpm's.
Seat of the pants is not the indicator people think it is, bog or smoke is one reason why the impression of faster might be felt. The Mustang has a softer suspension configuration so the launch feels less abrubt, the tightness of the Formula gives it a much different feel, so does the height of the car from the ground, these two cars a have a much different feel.
I have a buddy with a Formula LS1 and it feels like a beast, I had a very low 12 second '85 Mustang GT that felt slower than that Formula, and he only ran mid to low 13's, seat of the pants told me his was faster, timeslips obviously told a much different story, as did the time we got to line up.
I like the LS1's a damn fine engine, too bad Chevy killed off the fine cars they were installed in...
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Agreed, I saw a poor fool in a so very nice 2003 Cobra running high 15's at the drag strip because he launched as if the devil himself was after him. I spent 10 minutes with him explaining how to launch a car on street tires with that much power, by the end of the day he was running 13.0's at 112 and smiling like he had just gotten some. I felt like a proud Ford owner that day!
Good work man.......maybe you can give me some pointers sometime. I haven't been to the track with the 05 yet........and now that she's blown but still on the stock Pirelli's, I'll have my hands full on the launches
Supercharged cars are very much like big-blocks, truck-loads of grunt so low you'd think it's impossible to launch a car with one installed. For an S/C car letting the car do the launch rather than shocking the driveline is the way to go, since it can pull a space shuttle (so to speak) down low why not let it launch for you? If you're racing with stock tires there will never be a high rpm launch, they need to be damn near idle and walked out and the 1st to 2nd shift can't be power shifted or you'll be doing in 2nd what you did in first at full throttle which is smoking the cords off the tires.
I had that guy launching as if he had easter eggs on the hood, as he eased into the throttle the tires grabbed more and could take more throttle, now this might seem slow and it sure doesn't look impressive to the folks in the stands but screw them, you want a great ET. Work your way from thinking easter eggs to things that can take more and you'll eventually find the groove the car can handle with stock tires. Was 13.0@112 the fastest ever seen in a 2003 Cobra? Hell no but it ain't too shabby for street tires!
OR, you can buy the stickies and launch like a madman (almost) and enjoy the ride!
EDIT: Perhaps the best advice I can give to someone new to drag racing is to forget the people watching, trying to impress your girlfriend or people screaming "smoke them" will only get you one thing, lousy ET's...
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93-97 LT1 is faster then all GT's up to '04. 98-02 LS1 is faster then all stock Mustang GT's, PERIOD. We all know it, deal with it.
On planet reality, a stock LS1 isn't faster than ALL stock Mustang GT's I know it (been there, beaten a few, while stock, so have plenty others) and people with LS1 is God need to deal with it. I've even beaten a mighty LS2 GTO which may not impress you, but it sure as hell impressed the guy I beat, now does that mean I can beat ALL stock LS2 GTO's? Of course not.
Is the LS1 a damn fine engine, yes, but it ain't all that and a bag of chips over everything else, well, maybe on internet forums it is...
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93-97 LT1 is faster then all GT's up to '04. 98-02 LS1 is faster then all stock Mustang GT's, PERIOD. We all know it, deal with it.
On planet reality, a stock LS1 isn't faster than ALL stock Mustang GT's I know it (been there, beaten a few, while stock, so have plenty others) and people with LS1 is God need to deal with it. I've even beaten a mighty LS2 GTO which may not impress you, but it sure as hell impressed the guy I beat, now does that mean I can beat ALL stock LS2 GTO's? Of course not.
Is the LS1 a damn fine engine, yes, but it ain't all that and a bag of chips over everything else, well, maybe on internet forums it is...
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I've seen LS1s win and i've seen them lose so it truly is a drivers race. One thing is for sure though the LS1 does kill all GTs before 05 stock vs stock.
See, you were wrong, 325 is the correct answer. You should know that being a GM guy
How old are you again? I admitted the I was wrong. I can't remeber every Gm cars horsepower off thought. I thought it was 335 but it was a much much lower 325. Your I should have known. I am more familiar with the competitions numbers anyways.
Why you wanna know how old I am? Are you trying to hit on me or something? Sorry bud, don't float that way. Hope this doesn't crush you.
You went to the sexual side of things buddy not me. Don't flatter yourself. I was wondering because you sound so immature. Good luck finding a life partner in these threads.
You don't flame very well, that is the best you can do. You are not even entertaining to me anymore.
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BS... An 06 Gt is not going to pull ahead of the old LS1. Especially if he has all those mod's. Crackhead.
06GT = 13.7 (perfect conditions and launch). LS1 = 13.4 (average), high 12's on slicks. Simplest mod's bring LS1 into 12's easy. That's why there all so damn fast...
BS... An 06 Gt is not going to pull ahead of the old LS1. Especially if he has all those mod's. Crackhead.
06GT = 13.7 (perfect conditions and launch). LS1 = 13.4 (average), high 12's on slicks. Simplest mod's bring LS1 into 12's easy. That's why there all so damn fast...
Funny, several magazines have gotten 13.5's out of these '06's, not perfect conditions and I'm sure they launched just fine, but not perfect. Also, the simplest mods get these 3V's into the 12's as many have proven, this is why they are so damn fast... I've been to enough events to see plenty of stock LS1's back when they came out, 13.4 was not the average I saw, high 13's was closer to average. Damn few are stock these days so it's much harder to tell if one goes 13.4 if it's stock or pumped up with mods and a lousy driver.
I don't detract from how fast they (LS1's) can be, just like I won't call the '05/'06 a 13.7 car in perfect conditions, that would be ignorant.
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I'm delivering my baby to WestCoastCorvettes so they can install their Stage 4 performance kit on my LS1. The package consists of......
West Coast Corvettes/Lingenfelter modified cylinder head and cam package, hardened pushrods, cold air screens, Hurricane Air Intake System, throttle body by pass tube, 170° thermostat, head bolts, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, recalibrated engine control module, Max Flow Mass Air Sensor, 1030 cfm throttle body, Twin Flow exhaust system, X pipe, T-body By Pass Tube, MSD Wire Set, B&B Headers, Gasket Kit. Available with your choice of exhaust system. Dyno tested @ 460-480 RWHP!
I'll also be adding 3.73's as well.
6,695.00$ - 10% club discount and other items I already have. 5954.95$ out the door plus their warranty!
Then if that isn't enough, my procharger arrives next week. However before I smack it on Im going to beef up my 4L60E tranny so it can handle the 750+ RWHP.
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Eh, don't worry about it viking. For those who actually get out there and do it, it shouldn't matter whether the internet racers believe u or not. This is the main reason I don't post kill stories. Most of the stories will be believed......but a few will be argued to the death by certain posters/flamers. I know what I accomplish at the track and on the streets....so I feel no need to put it up in here for other ppl to make me feel that much better about it. 
