I don't race my car but I just wanted to know if anyone knew which car would win in a 1/4 mile

Here are the specs...

Ford mustang- Flowmaster Dual exhaust, Cold air intake
3.8l V6 SOHC
193 @ 5250.... about 210 hp with mods
4-speed auto OD
220 @ 2750lbs Torque...

Acura RSX- stock
2.0L i-VTEC 4-cyl
RSX: 160 @ 6500
5-Speed manual
Torque, SAE Net 141 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm

im leaning towards your car, he may get you in the end but i think you will have him off the line, your making much more torque and ive seen civic Si's outrun the type R's at the track, a bud of mine had a 99 v6 with a 5 speed and it would run low 15's bone stock

ORIGINAL: Jimmz

I don't race my car but I just wanted to know if anyone knew which car would win in a 1/4 mile

Here are the specs...

Ford mustang- Flowmaster Dual exhaust, Cold air intake
3.8l V6 SOHC
193 @ 5250.... about 210 hp with mods
4-speed auto OD
220 @ 2750lbs Torque...

Acura RSX- stock
2.0L i-VTEC 4-cyl
RSX: 160 @ 6500
5-Speed manual
Torque, SAE Net 141 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm


Ahhh, I hope your not claiming a 17 HP increase with a cold air intake and a set of Flows. 10 HP IF your lucky. I would lean more towards 8 or so.

BTW if you dont race your car, why do you have flows and a cold air?

If it's not the type S you'll get him, if it IS the type S, you'll have problems, because well, *I* will give you a run for your money and I have 160 hp...but I'm also about 150 lbs lighter than the 160 hp 2.0L k20a3 RSX. (same motor thats in the new Si btw)

If you find a Type S it'll have a k20a2 and 200 hp with a sweet 6 sp. Have fun running that one. He'll run very low 15s if not high 14s.

the newer SI hatches around here run 9.5 or 9.6's bone stock
im not lucky enough to have a 1/4 miles track thats within a reasonable drive[&:]
most v6 stangs run like 10.2's and above
most gt's that are stock as far as i can tell run 9.5's and 9.4's

i can attest to beating a type-s b4 so i think you would beat him no problem!! just race him its more fun then wondering what if!!!

You dont have to race your car to have Flows and a CAI smart ass. My dad owns a muffler shop and he sells these parts and installs them. So of course if I can get these mods for free then Im gonna do it. Plus I wanted the agressive sound which EVERY mustang SHOULD have. Thats why....

ya i don't race my stang either but i rigged a CAI on mine;) oo wait i do race mine.
ORIGINAL: Jimmz
Plus I wanted the agressive sound which EVERY mustang SHOULD have. Thats why....

so whats the CAI gotta do with your "aggressive" sound huh? besides u want a true aggressive sound, run open headers for a few days. u wanna hear aggressive, listen to my 4 bangin stang. header and glasspak, nuttin else. it turns LOTS of heads.:D the only true aggressive sound is open headers baby. of course unless u scared to run your car illegal.

maybe he finds the cai woosh agressive? idk, i think he is just affraid of losing to a 4cyl import!!!!

THATS THE PROBLEM SLEGOS YOU DON'T THINK!!!
Flows give you the agressiev sound and the CAI gives a little bit more hp. And yeah I'll run open headers and get a ticket. Oh yeah and a 4cylinder mustang isn't even a mustang. If its not a svo dont even talk anymore

Truth is ftr, I like the sound of a good exhaust system that is properly set up. I've run open headers before and it is fricking loud and fun, but the sound of a truely tuned exhaust sounds solid and hot. Like long tube headers, high flow cats (for legal reasons) cross pipe (X or H) high flow muffs, large piping and some nice size tips or dumps after muffs. I love that clean solid sound where you can slightly hear the *ting* off the inside of the headers from the rappid fire aginst the metal with just the right amount of back pressure. [sm=smiley2.gif]

jimmz ur the one who doesnt think!! u thnk a cai give u hp show me dyno proof! o wait u cant because any gain u might get is within the variation from one dyno run to another so u cant prove it!!! second if u got an exhaust for a loud sound then u r a ricer plain and simple!! people put exhausts on to reduce backpressure and gain hp not for sounds!!! u get a lot more power increase form exhaust then a freakin cai just think b4 u post!!!

ORIGINAL: Jimmz

THATS THE PROBLEM SLEGOS YOU DON'T THINK!!!
Flows give you the agressiev sound and the CAI gives a little bit more hp. And yeah I'll run open headers and get a ticket. Oh yeah and a 4cylinder mustang isn't even a mustang. If its not a svo dont even talk anymore


so what is a 4 cylinder mustang then?
so anyone who owns a 4 cylinder mustang doesnt know anything about them?
well ive owned all kinds of ford and ford trucks
ive built motors from the crank up
i bought a 4 cylinder mustang for gas milage
so why dont you think before your type?

Wow touchy touchy, a 4 cylinder mustang shouldnt even be called a mustang. This guy I knew had a 88 2.3l lx and it had like 80hp thats like a motorcycle it was amazingly slow. My friend has a 86 svo turbo that runs low 15's. thats a mustang. I'm just sayin that a 4 cylinder mustang that runs 20 sec in the 1/4 shouldnt be called a mustang. Why do you think they stopped makin them???!!??

why did they stop makin them?(4 bangers) that i cant answer but if you ever drive around with your eyes open you will see alot of them on the roads!! not all mustangs are for all out performance! that why they make the fuel efficient 4 and now 6 cyl's!! some people buy a car for looks!! heck even in the sixites ford made an i6 version dose that mean it wasnt a mustang? NO! but not all people race there car or need all that power! some people want a good looking sporty car that gets good gas milage too! you really need to get a glimse of reality and see that not everyone can drive a ferrari that why companies like kia are in business good cars with good gas milage plain and simple!!!

well your v6 mustang is probably in the mid to high 16's, but it doesnt run 15's, so by your standards its not a "real" mustang is it?

I know this wasn't in the original topic, but my V8 gets 33MPG. Why because it's not underpowered. When You put an underpowered engine in a vehicle, like this 2.0 Ranger I had, it got 19MPG max.

ORIGINAL: Jimmz

You dont have to race your car to have Flows and a CAI smart ass. My dad owns a muffler shop and he sells these parts and installs them. So of course if I can get these mods for free then Im gonna do it. Plus I wanted the agressive sound which EVERY mustang SHOULD have. Thats why....


A. your v6 mustang with flows doesnt sound agressive

B. A CAI on that car doesnt sound any different.

yes thank you 2000GT.... I was getting tired reading posts on people fighting over sound and this and that....

I put on an exhuast for the gains, but also wanted it to sound good. If one was really going to worry about how much more power the car was going to make, they would skip the cat-back completely and go with dumps. Open and close them when you need them. Flowmasters aren't the best for power gains anyways, striaght threw exhausts are better;). That and flows, in my opinion, sound like crap on the new cars. H-pipes help with the sound but to tinny for my taste.

Ask people why they got there exhaust 90% of the time the first thing they will say it sounds good. There is nothing wrong with getting it for sound. That's not rice that is sacrifing power for something they would rather have.

ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6

ORIGINAL: Jimmz

You dont have to race your car to have Flows and a CAI smart ass. My dad owns a muffler shop and he sells these parts and installs them. So of course if I can get these mods for free then Im gonna do it. Plus I wanted the agressive sound which EVERY mustang SHOULD have. Thats why....


A. your v6 mustang with flows doesnt sound agressive

B. A CAI on that car doesnt sound any different.


You couldn't be more wrong 2000GT4.6
Check out this clip.
V6 with Flowmasters (http://www.3.8mustang.com/Media/Noncat%20Exhaust.wav)

ORIGINAL: HotRods_n_Booze

ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6

ORIGINAL: Jimmz

You dont have to race your car to have Flows and a CAI smart ass. My dad owns a muffler shop and he sells these parts and installs them. So of course if I can get these mods for free then Im gonna do it. Plus I wanted the agressive sound which EVERY mustang SHOULD have. Thats why....


A. your v6 mustang with flows doesnt sound agressive

B. A CAI on that car doesnt sound any different.


You couldn't be more wrong 2000GT4.6
Check out this clip.
V6 with Flowmasters (http://www.3.8mustang.com/Media/Noncat%20Exhaust.wav)


I think this sounds nice for a V6, but this isnt "Agressive". And according to the clip, the car is also sans cats (and from what it sounds like, probalby has headers as well). A V6 with flows only isnt going to sound anything like this.

BTW you should feel good about posting it. I had to lie on the floor and hold the 2 wires of my ripped apart headphones to the ripped apart speaker solder points to listen in. Gotta get to walmart this weekend and buy a new set of sony headphones.

ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6

ORIGINAL: HotRods_n_Booze

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ORIGINAL: Jimmz

You dont have to race your car to have Flows and a CAI smart ass. My dad owns a muffler shop and he sells these parts and installs them. So of course if I can get these mods for free then Im gonna do it. Plus I wanted the agressive sound which EVERY mustang SHOULD have. Thats why....


A. your v6 mustang with flows doesnt sound agressive

B. A CAI on that car doesnt sound any different.


You couldn't be more wrong 2000GT4.6
Check out this clip.
V6 with Flowmasters (http://www.3.8mustang.com/Media/Noncat%20Exhaust.wav)


I think this sounds nice for a V6, but this isnt "Agressive". And according to the clip, the car is also sans cats (and from what it sounds like, probalby has headers as well). A V6 with flows only isnt going to sound anything like this.

BTW you should feel good about posting it. I had to lie on the floor and hold the 2 wires of my ripped apart headphones to the ripped apart speaker solder points to listen in. Gotta get to walmart this weekend and buy a new set of sony headphones.


LMAO!!! Been there. You need a set of speakers and a sub woofer like me. It makes that V6 sound like a Moe Foe, LOL.
P.S. I think it sounds agressive so I'd have to say "agressive sound is in the ears of the beholder" hehe.

ORIGINAL: HotRods_n_Booze

ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6

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ORIGINAL: Jimmz

You dont have to race your car to have Flows and a CAI smart ass. My dad owns a muffler shop and he sells these parts and installs them. So of course if I can get these mods for free then Im gonna do it. Plus I wanted the agressive sound which EVERY mustang SHOULD have. Thats why....


A. your v6 mustang with flows doesnt sound agressive

B. A CAI on that car doesnt sound any different.


You couldn't be more wrong 2000GT4.6
Check out this clip.
V6 with Flowmasters (http://www.3.8mustang.com/Media/Noncat%20Exhaust.wav)


I think this sounds nice for a V6, but this isnt "Agressive". And according to the clip, the car is also sans cats (and from what it sounds like, probalby has headers as well). A V6 with flows only isnt going to sound anything like this.

BTW you should feel good about posting it. I had to lie on the floor and hold the 2 wires of my ripped apart headphones to the ripped apart speaker solder points to listen in. Gotta get to walmart this weekend and buy a new set of sony headphones.


LMAO!!! Been there. You need a set of speakers and a sub woofer like me. It makes that V6 sound like a Moe Foe, LOL.
P.S. I think it sounds agressive so I'd have to say "agressive sound is in the ears of the beholder" hehe.


Room mate cometh, room mate goeth away, room mate steal my AC adapter.

the newer SI hatches around here run 9.5 or 9.6's bone stock
im not lucky enough to have a 1/4 miles track thats within a reasonable drive
most v6 stangs run like 10.2's and above
most gt's that are stock as far as i can tell run 9.5's and 9.4's


woa woa woa ...u got ur numbers straight? u must be talkin 1/8 mile cuz no stock car runs under 10 seconds 1/4..ESPECIALLY not a honda. most v6 stangs run low 15s and gt's run mid to low 14's. the mach 1 or saleen s281's run high to mid 13's ...and as for the si hatch... mid 15 stock if ur lucky. maybe i misunderstood what u were saying but thats how i interpreted it and if thats how u intended it to sound...yea..

ORIGINAL: kenbossy22

the newer SI hatches around here run 9.5 or 9.6's bone stock
im not lucky enough to have a 1/4 miles track thats within a reasonable drive
most v6 stangs run like 10.2's and above
most gt's that are stock as far as i can tell run 9.5's and 9.4's


woa woa woa ...u got ur numbers straight? u must be talkin 1/8 mile cuz no stock car runs under 10 seconds 1/4..ESPECIALLY not a honda. most v6 stangs run low 15s and gt's run mid to low 14's. the mach 1 or saleen s281's run high to mid 13's ...and as for the si hatch... mid 15 stock if ur lucky. maybe i misunderstood what u were saying but thats how i interpreted it and if thats how u intended it to sound...yea..

whoa first learn how to quote! that will help keep confusion to a minimum! second did u eve read what u quoted? you qouted him saying that there arent ne 1/4 miles tracks near him, it is understood that if it isnt a 1/4 mile its an 1/8 unless u have seen something other then these two sizes? i know i havent!

sorry if i didnt make it understandable but yes, those are 1/8th mile numbers
the closest 1/4 to my area is about 3 hours away
sorry bout that

Wow. Although I have absolutly no experence with 1/8th mile numbers (my car is yet to be at the track) there is no way in hell a SI would even come close to keeping up with my GT when it was stock.

My friend andy got a brand new SI around the time I got my new car. We went in a beer run in his, and then I let him drive mine.

His first words (after shifting out of 1st) was "Holy ****"

No comparason whatsoever.

ORIGINAL: 90hatchLX

sorry if i didnt make it understandable but yes, those are 1/8th mile numbers
the closest 1/4 to my area is about 3 hours away
sorry bout that
So that means SI's are running 19's? I know they're slow, but I think they're faster then that.

ORIGINAL: 90hatchLX

sorry if i didnt make it understandable but yes, those are 1/8th mile numbers
the closest 1/4 to my area is about 3 hours away
sorry bout that



there i think that dealt with my quoting disability...and yea i thought it must have been 1/8 because obviously a stock honda in the 9's is an oximoron.

No they don't run 19's. You don't double the number to get the 1/4 mile time. The new Si's run around a high 15, low 16.

ORIGINAL: SilverGTV8

No they don't run 19's. You don't double the number to get the 1/4 mile time. The new Si's run around a high 15, low 16.


That sounds about right

Take your 1/8 time and multiply it by 1.56xxxx something something something and that'll give you a good estimate for a 1/4 time. Or you can just search up for a calculator on the net to do it.

I let the massive confusion here run on too long.

The NEW Si's run mid 15s to low 16s depending on driver. They have i-VTEC which is just cam timing on the intake. It's not the DOHC vtec like on my 00 Si. They're about 75 pounds heavier but have 20 some more foot lbs torque.

A stock Si won't beat up on a stock 03 V6, but it'll keep up with it. I've kept up with stock V6s in my Escort, and my Si is faster for sure.

Depends on the driver.

slegos888 i have a dyno shop right down the road from my house and if my scanner worked i would gladly show y'all my dyno sheets. my car, 02 v6, picked up 8 whp from a mac cold air kit, that brought it to 175. my cal mustang h-pipe, slp loudmouth and gutted rear cats freed up 11. that makes it 186. and btw a v6 stang can whoop an rsx type-s. my freind has one and every time we race he gets stomped. they only have 145 whp. now my car has 225

LOL this forum is a confusin mess. I think Jimmz orginal question was which would win in a race. An 02 base RSX or a 2003 Mustang V6. Not an easy question to ask but why not?:)
Before I start my suggestion would be to personally test your car to see what its capable of. I would normally say search the net but it is near impossible to find 1/4 mile times for base models.

First lets look at what we know :
Mustang RSX
HP: 210 @ 5250HP: 160 @ 6500
Torque: 220 @ 2750 Torque: 140 @ 4000
Curb Weight: 3000 lbsCurb Weight: 2700 lbs
Valvetrain: OHV Valvetrain: DOHC i-VTEC
Tranny: 4 spd auto Tranny: 5 spd man

Alright now that we have that established lets move on. There are several factors that affect a 1/4 mile race: torque, weight, valvetrain(power band), gearing ratios, and driver ability(launching & shifting).
First torque, the stang has an 80 lb advantage over the RSX. However the RSX wins the weight part, wieghing 300lbs less.Next is valvetrain. The stang has OHV(pushrod) which gives it a broad power band. The RSX on the other hand uses Variable valve technology, in this case i-VTEC.
Unlike VTEC which relies soley on RPMs, i-VTEC measures RPMs & engine load.In addition to changing timing, duration,lift i -VTEC includes VTC(phasing). Phasing advances thecam on the intake cam by 25-50 degrees.
This gives it more mid range power instead of all high RPM power.The i-VTEC is the base RSX is very different from that of the type-S(some people confuse them *sigh*). The one I just describe is like that in the base model, the type-s i-VTEC is more regular VTEC and uses a 3 cam lobs on BOTH intake and exhaust plus VTC(phasing). The base i-VTEC only has two cam lobes(one small and one big).

Sorry for all the reading but I had to settle that, early in the forum someone confused the two i-VTECs.
Finally we have to take into consideration driver ability. A fast car isn't worth anything if you can't launch it right. This parts up to u jimmz. I would say warm up ur tires, put it in one and drop it from about 4500.If that doesn't work do a few practice runs on a back road see what works best.

ORIGINAL: Jimmz

Wow touchy touchy, a 4 cylinder mustang shouldnt even be called a mustang. This guy I knew had a 88 2.3l lx and it had like 80hp thats like a motorcycle it was amazingly slow. My friend has a 86 svo turbo that runs low 15's. thats a mustang. I'm just sayin that a 4 cylinder mustang that runs 20 sec in the 1/4 shouldnt be called a mustang. Why do you think they stopped makin them???!!??
+1

i say it's a driver's race with a slight edge going the the acura due to less weight.

ORIGINAL: 98LS1

Take your 1/8 time and multiply it by 1.56xxxx something something something and that'll give you a good estimate for a 1/4 time. Or you can just search up for a calculator on the net to do it.


I've always liked going to the track and getting some nice, real world info on what cars run. I'm sure you and a few others that were unfortunate enough to stumble into this sh*thole forum feel the same way..........this isnt even an argument, you'll destroy his sh*t. ALL acura RSXs are game for Edge V6s, the Type S is better left to modded cars for garuanteed kills, but if you're stock it is better to go from a dig, and if you have a stock auto you'll most likely lose the race up top. Jimmz, unless you dont know what the f*ck the letter D looks like, you'll win.

ORIGINAL: camarokid

LOL this forum is a confusin mess. I think Jimmz orginal question was which would win in a race. An 02 base RSX or a 2003 Mustang V6. Not an easy question to ask but why not?:)
Before I start my suggestion would be to personally test your car to see what its capable of. I would normally say search the net but it is near impossible to find 1/4 mile times for base models.

First lets look at what we know :
Mustang RSX
HP: 210 @ 5250HP: 160 @ 6500
Torque: 220 @ 2750 Torque: 140 @ 4000
Curb Weight: 3000 lbsCurb Weight: 2700 lbs
Valvetrain: OHV Valvetrain: DOHC i-VTEC
Tranny: 4 spd auto Tranny: 5 spd man

Alright now that we have that established lets move on. There are several factors that affect a 1/4 mile race: torque, weight, valvetrain(power band), gearing ratios, and driver ability(launching & shifting).
First torque, the stang has an 80 lb advantage over the RSX. However the RSX wins the weight part, wieghing 300lbs less.Next is valvetrain. The stang has OHV(pushrod) which gives it a broad power band. The RSX on the other hand uses Variable valve technology, in this case i-VTEC.
Unlike VTEC which relies soley on RPMs, i-VTEC measures RPMs & engine load.In addition to changing timing, duration,lift i -VTEC includes VTC(phasing). Phasing advances thecam on the intake cam by 25-50 degrees.
This gives it more mid range power instead of all high RPM power.The i-VTEC is the base RSX is very different from that of the type-S(some people confuse them *sigh*). The one I just describe is like that in the base model, the type-s i-VTEC is more regular VTEC and uses a 3 cam lobs on BOTH intake and exhaust plus VTC(phasing). The base i-VTEC only has two cam lobes(one small and one big).

Sorry for all the reading but I had to settle that, early in the forum someone confused the two i-VTECs.
Finally we have to take into consideration driver ability. A fast car isn't worth anything if you can't launch it right. This parts up to u jimmz. I would say warm up ur tires, put it in one and drop it from about 4500.If that doesn't work do a few practice runs on a back road see what works best.






and have someone take a picture of what happens to your tranny when you drop it into gear at 4500 rpms....**** the 3.8 redlines at like 5500.

ORIGINAL: stangfan99gt

i say it's a driver's race with a slight edge going the the acura due to less weight.


the mustang has 40 more hp and 80 more ft/lbs of torque, 300 pounds less doesn't make up for that. launch right and you will walk him. and if you really want to find out race him.

i beat a 2006 si nasty how faster is a RSX-s?

ORIGINAL: Jimmz

I don't race my car but I just wanted to know if anyone knew which car would win in a 1/4 mile

Here are the specs...

Ford mustang- Flowmaster Dual exhaust, Cold air intake
3.8l V6 SOHC
193 @ 5250.... about 210 hp with mods
4-speed auto OD
220 @ 2750lbs Torque...

Acura RSX- stock
2.0L i-VTEC 4-cyl
RSX: 160 @ 6500
5-Speed manual
Torque, SAE Net 141 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm


When did you get an OHC? I always thought 03's were OHV.[&:]

Dude this thread is sooo old, and Im not sure about that but I copied and pasted it from the ford website so its not my typo lol....

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When did you get an OHC? I always thought 03's were OHV.[&:]
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+1

Ok people who mod there cars dont need to race...they do it as a hobby...when you restore a car your modding it rite ? but you dont see many people racing it...same case here my neighbor has a 400+ corvette stingray but never is raced or seen the track....nor is the Twin Turbo 700+ hp 350z around here who even has a camera mount bracket in the passenger side...the car is built to be fast and doesnt race it...as for the Si and Integra Type R theType R will not be caught by a stock Si unless its a brand new Si and even so the Itegra type R will make a high 14 second pass stock....new Si's run low 15s and 97-02 Si's run about 15.7 15.8 stock...the RSX is about the same high 15s low 16s the type S however will make a high 14second pass a Type R integra and Type S RSX is a even match stock for stock tho still i think the Type R is slightly quicker....and as for the V6 99-04 good driver can best a 15.8 pass with a manual hard top....so if ur gona race the guy just go for it...and dont worry about if you lose...when it comes down to it theres always someone who has a faster car even if its with less cylinders....theres a lot of 10 sec 4cyls out there that'll eat people on this thread and forum....but then theres 8 sec street legal fox body mustangs as well : )

In short, A type-S is a drivers race with both cars being a manual. I have raced my buddies several times, and we would both win and lose to each other. The thing is bolt-ons will do wonders for those cars compared to ours, so if he is modded the advantage is for him.

As for the original post, you will own a non type-S. No if, ands, or buts!

my old auto v6 beat my buddys 2004 rsx (auto, headers, cai, exhaust, chip) when my car was bone stock by about 1 1/2 car lenghts stock, and by about 2 1/2 when he used tha tiptronic shift ****. you should be good.

which new si is talking about? The new si from 04 when this thread was started???[8D]