Jimp---- "Washington State bioscientists say it takes about 2.4 acres of land growing corn to support a car driving for a year on E85--gasoline with 15 percent ethanol mixed in. If we ran even 10 percent of our cars on the ethanol mix, that would take about 48 million more acres of good cropland away from Nature--or 100 million acres of poor cropland. U.S. national forests total only 191 million acres."
Ok, maybe you're right! LOL! Maybe if we stopped growing tobacco and used that cropland for corn...
Or we could end farm subsidies that pay farmers to keep their land fallow. This would never happen in Congress because it would address two problems - the high cost of gasoline and would curtail a degree of domestic spending in a reasonable, and functional manner. Since this would actually have benefits that the average American would see, and would not be a political hot button for either of the two corporate shill parties to exploit among the ignorant people who lap up whatever these idiots who won a popularity contest tell them, I suspect this reasonable measure won't even be considered. I even heard this morning on the news that "hybrid cars are partly to blame for the high cost of gasoline because the refineries are not set up to process additional ethanol..." ...Except that...hybrid cars DO NOT USE ETHANOL! (Yes, they specifically referred to hybrid - not flex fuel - vehicles.) What kind of idiots believe this nonsense? Do people actually enjoy being lied to and having their stupidity exploited like this? The price of gasoline is artificially inflated. Back in February, we were told "the price of gas is increasing because of potential future disruptions" in supply. If that's the case, then the gasoline producers already lined their pockets to take this hit. If that's not the case, then it was a concerted effort by the oil industry, along with co-conspirators in the corporate-state-controlled media, to exploit misinoformation to justify an illegal and artificial price increase.
Or we could end farm subsidies that pay farmers to keep their land fallow. This would never happen in Congress because it would address two problems - the high cost of gasoline and would curtail a degree of domestic spending in a reasonable, and functional manner. Since this would actually have benefits that the average American would see, and would not be a political hot button for either of the two corporate shill parties to exploit among the ignorant people who lap up whatever these idiots who won a popularity contest tell them, I suspect this reasonable measure won't even be considered. I even heard this morning on the news that "hybrid cars are partly to blame for the high cost of gasoline because the refineries are not set up to process additional ethanol..." ...Except that...hybrid cars DO NOT USE ETHANOL! (Yes, they specifically referred to hybrid - not flex fuel - vehicles.) What kind of idiots believe this nonsense? Do people actually enjoy being lied to and having their stupidity exploited like this? The price of gasoline is artificially inflated. Back in February, we were told "the price of gas is increasing because of potential future disruptions" in supply. If that's the case, then the gasoline producers already lined their pockets to take this hit. If that's not the case, then it was a concerted effort by the oil industry, along with co-conspirators in the corporate-state-controlled media, to exploit misinoformation to justify an illegal and artificial price increase.
I put out dried corn for the neighborhood squirrels. They bury it and forget about it... lo and behold... the following summer we have corn coming up randomly dispersed throughout the yard. If the little fuzzies can do it, we can grow enough corn to meet our needs.
Now then... let's just hope we don't switch over and bada-boom... some sorta mad-corn disease spreads...
the rich will get richer not because they are replican or democrat they get richer because they are rich, that the way capitalism works.
That's not the problem. The problem is that in this country, where we claim to value "free speech," politics are FOR SALE to the highest bidder. That's why our politicians are nothing but corporate-backed shills who have little, if any REAL WORLD experience. I honestly cannot think of anything more disingenuous and misplaced as when one politician calls another "out-of-touch." ALL politicians, by virtue of their entitled positions, are out-of-touch. And the fact is, these people are bought long before we ever vote for them. I still vote, believe it or not; but I never feel good about doing so (considering the total lack of choice in that vote).
Edit: "Free speech" is considered campaign contributions, as it relates to political campaigns. What kind of "free speech" is PAID FOR? One of the problems that many people have is that capitalism seems to be protected by our politicians moreso than our system of government, our laws, our rights or the checks and balances upon which our entire system of governance is based. I've NEVER read a "right to money" in the Constitution. In fact, the Framers specifically avoided including any right to property in the Constitution.
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Jimp---- "Washington State bioscientists say it takes about 2.4 acres of land growing corn to support a car driving for a year on E85--gasoline with 15 percent ethanol mixed in. If we ran even 10 percent of our cars on the ethanol mix, that would take about 48 million more acres of good cropland away from Nature--or 100 million acres of poor cropland. U.S. national forests total only 191 million acres."
Ok, maybe you're right! LOL! Maybe if we stopped growing tobacco and used that cropland for corn...
I even heard this morning on the news that "hybrid cars are partly to blame for the high cost of gasoline because the refineries are not set up to process additional ethanol..." ...Except that...hybrid cars DO NOT USE ETHANOL! (Yes, they specifically referred to hybrid - not flex fuel - vehicles.) What kind of idiots believe this nonsense? Do people actually enjoy being lied to and having their stupidity exploited like this? The price of gasoline is artificially inflated. Back in February, we were told "the price of gas is increasing because of potential future disruptions" in supply. If that's the case, then the gasoline producers already lined their pockets to take this hit. If that's not the case, then it was a concerted effort by the oil industry, along with co-conspirators in the corporate-state-controlled media, to exploit misinoformation to justify an illegal and artificial price increase.
The news it self is only entertainment.
Only Entertainment -Bad Religion
transfixated on the big blue screen, it's your window to the outside, a melancholy dream, a medium upon which you build reality, Unoffical Facts Simply, Leading You To Poverty this episodic currency, that everybody needs
somebody's delivery lulls you to sleep, the man behind the weather map, the editor in chief, they control two worlds, power and disease, and you cannot suppress your curiosity but see it's only entertainment, superficial urgency, posterboard mentality, only entertainment, tightly constrained, the buzz that remains, is the story of how we run our lives
many are the people poor and suffering, from the lack of coverage, from the transmission beam, and if it ever gets here, you'll be offended too, 'cause you cannot distinguish, chicanery from truth, see it's only entertainment, a superficial episode, as life continues to unfold, only entertainment, controlled an copied, they've planted the seed, that sprouts into your picture of the world,
can't someone protect me (turn away, turn away), from this electron beam, hey you, Mr.FCC, have you no advice for me?
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It's fun and easy to assume that drilling in Alaska actually makes sense and to demonize "liberals" and "environmentalists." Unfortunately, the facts don't support this. ANWR contains at best estimates 10 billion barrels of oil. That's roughly the amount the US currently consumes in a single year. It would take 10 years to get oil fields there up and running. By the time they are operating at peak performance, around 2025, we will be consuming much more than that. Drilling in ANWR is nothing more than a cash grab by oil companies, it's not going to help you or me in the long run.
It's fun and easy to assume that drilling in Alaska actually makes sense and to demonize "liberals" and "environmentalists." Unfortunately, the facts don't support this. ANWR contains at best estimates 10 billion barrels of oil. That's roughly the amount the US currently consumes in a single year. It would take 10 years to get oil fields there up and running. By the time they are operating at peak performance, around 2025, we will be consuming much more than that. Drilling in ANWR is nothing more than a cash grab by oil companies, it's not going to help you or me in the long run.
...even at that, I recall about a year or so ago, some oil executives not wanting ANWR opened because they had questions about how much oil is there, and questioned just how feasible it is to spend money on oil expeditions that could very well turn out to be a disappointment.
There was a little-publicized story over the weekend about Brazil moving toward self-sufficiency in creating oil. Would this not decrease the world demand? If a hurricane, or an attack on one pipeline in some country across the world can have an effect on the increase in prices, why would a large country taking itself off the world market for oil not have a similar effect?
The mileage on the sixxer is nothing to shout about, but from the posts I've read the GT gets much worse than the advertised rate. I'm consistently getting 24-26 with a bunch of freeway driving as part of my commute, but if gas tops 4 bucks a gallon I may be reconsidering what I drive. This is just insane, we really need to do something as a country to get out of our dependence on foreign oil.
Hmm. I must be an exception because my GT has been getting pretty good MPG. During the break-in, my car was getting about 18-19 MPG, but now it has gone up since. I don't lead foot all the time and I've been getting MPG in the 22+ range in about 50/50 city and hwy driving. I've been keeping track of my past fillups and its been getting 23.449 MPG, 25.541 MPG (approx 75% hwy), 22.544 MPG, 23.241 MPG, and my most recent fillup 22.851 MPG. In my current tank full, my info center has indicated 24.7 MPG (approx 65% hwy) and I can safely say that its pretty accurate. My manual calculations vs the info center have been off by no less than .200 MPG We'll see what my calculations say at the next fillup, but it should be close to 24.7 MPG.
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- drive like you own it, not like you stole it - dont drive in the city- stick to the highway - Don't drill in alaska (its too beautiful) - Get the f*&k out of Iraq and stop blowing billions every day and killing americans for oil - Charge Mexico 1 barrel of oil for every illegal - E85 with normal gas is a bad idea - start an american revolution to overthrow the corrup governemnt that started preceding George Washington.
okay well i think i covered it all--- help me out if i missed something
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1) WE are ALREADY drilling in Alaska ... and have been for YEARS...!!!! hear is a link from just a simple Google search ( Alaskan pipe line ) 84,000 hits... I picked the first one btw.. there are 84,000 to look at.. !!!!!!!
pipeline facts.. Maximum daily throughput — 2.136 million bbl., avg. (With 11 pump stations operating). Rates exceeding 1,440,000 bbl./day assume drag reduction agent (DRA) injection. Maximum daily throughput — 2000 (with 7 pump stations operating) — .99 million bbl., avg. Rates exceeding 1,000,000 bbl./day assume DRA injection Fuel required for all operations (fuel oil equivalent) — 210,000 gal/day (also see fuel requirements under Pump Stations, and Marine Terminal). Pressure — Design, maximum — 1,180 psi Operating, maximum — 1,180 psi Pump Station facilities in original design — 12 pump stations with 4 pumps each. Pump Stations operating, Nov. 1, 1998 — 7: PS 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 12. PS 5 is a relief station only. PS 11 is a security site. PS 8 placed in standby June 30, 1996. PS 10 placed in standby July 1, 1996. PS 2 placed in standby July 1, 1997. PS 6 placed in standby August 8, 1997.
so what does the U.S. do with this oil..??? I will tell you we sell the oil to Japan...!!!!
can I back that up..?? no .. but my brother was a BIG wig in the Navy before he got out .. and knows a lot that people are not supposed to know.. if you get my drift..
BOTTOM LINE.. the U.S. has had a pipeline in Alaska for MANY years .. it was big news back in the day.. but notice how the news makes us forget about things and think about something else...
I say stop selling the oil and keep it for our use..
end of rant..
Rex
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yeah i was aware of the Alaskan Pipeline. By drilling in alaska i mean destroying the forests trying to find NEW untapped oil reserves.
"In order to alleviate this emergency, President George W. Bush is advocating an increase in energy supply, rather than a decrease in demand. While it may be too late to stop gas prices from rising for the summer travel season, Bush is advocating tapping the oil supply at the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Northeast Alaska. Not surprisingly this is causing some backlash with environmental activists and the few inhabitants of the snow tundra. They argue that the available oil supply in the ANWR is not sufficient enough to justify the potential environmental damage. "
personally id rather keep the refuge and pay a little more... but thats just me
WE are ALREADY drilling in Alaska ... and have been for YEARS...!!!!
Nobody said we weren't drilling in Alaska. The current debate is about ANWR. It's not useful to drill there, nor is it useful to allow the oil companies to make environmentalists your enemies. You're just a pawn in Exxon's game.
VA is switchin to E85 this summer at all pumps, so i'm not sure about that whole "not having enough corn" thing. Oh well, It's supposed to be cheaper so I'm all for it.
Sonci what exhaust did you get, where and how much? I know what you mean with the foot reduction mine weighs about a million pounds im almost 21 and i have 9 tickets!! Can anyone beat that??haha
I am all for drilling up in Alaska but, the main problem right now is ALL of are refineries are producing at 100%. Back to the liberal Yuppies, They wont let us build any more refineries because they may inconvenience some dumb little animal that I have never heard of
NOBODY better touch my nicotine, or gas prices will be the least of our problems...I'm unstable enough take away my fix and I'm gonna kill...send me to the mid east wth no cigs, I'll have it all taken care of in a week and a half...afterwards though I better get a carton of camels a bottle of jack and somebody elses mustang to drive while i enjoy those things lol Ok, maybe you're right! LOL! Maybe if we stopped growing tobacco and used that cropland for corn... [/quote]
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