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N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 7:43:02 PM   
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alright, so many of us prefer keeping naturally aspirated engines, but there doesnt seem to be anybody going all n/a and making good power. We need info in my opinion. Who is making the most n/a power and what are they doing for it? any new cams or anything coming out? whats the deal with the n/a scene?!
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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 7:45:55 PM   
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alright, so many of us prefer keeping naturally aspirated engines, but there doesnt seem to be anybody going all n/a and making good power. We need info in my opinion. Who is making the most n/a power and what are they doing for it? any new cams or anything coming out? whats the deal with the n/a scene?!


I have seen manuals up to 213 RWHP which is really good! And autos (myself included) 159 to 201 RWHP. There are two shops working on cams for them, but they are not out yet.

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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 7:52:22 PM   
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how fast do you think the our 4.0L's can be n/a? w/ cams and anything else you can think of. I mean the 350Z has a smaller V6 and is putting up enough power to challenge GT's. In order to push the 300wrhp marker how much engine work and price do you think it would run?

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 7:59:44 PM   
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how fast do you think the our 4.0L's can be n/a? w/ cams and anything else you can think of. I mean the 350Z has a smaller V6 and is putting up enough power to challenge GT's. In order to push the 300wrhp marker how much engine work and price do you think it would run?


On a built motor, I have seen projections around 260rwhp. Keep in mind that going this route is much more expensive than throwing a procharger, vortech, turbo or juice on the car. But no one knows the exact numbers because no one has done it yet.

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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:05:21 PM   
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Oh, nm. I knew it would be expensive, i'll just stick da powerhouse turbo on keep it around 350-400 horses, and fix it when my gaskets decide to blow .

Just curious, what are the normal mainenance procedures on a turbo? do you have to check the engine seels every now and then? i know you have to clean and rotate it, but what else and at what intervales? and feel free to apply these questions to centrigual s/c and x-charger.

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:13:45 PM   
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im curious as to what kind of gains a fully decatted exhaust would give us... I havent seen a v6 yet with long tube headers...I think with lth's, cai, tune, a good exhaust, tb, ud pulley etc. etc. we could make 230whp (on the manual). Im not sure about that, but its just a thought.

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:14:39 PM   
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no, probably 215-220 rwhp. rwtq????????????

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:15:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro

im curious as to what kind of gains a fully decatted exhaust would give us... I havent seen a v6 yet with long tube headers...I think with lth's, cai, tune, a good exhaust, tb, ud pulley etc. etc. we could make 230whp (on the manual). Im not sure about that, but its just a thought.


I wouldn't count on it, our exhausts are already fine tuned, we don't see gains in the neighborhood of 230rwhp from extensive exhaust work. ASP pulley showed no gain, and the PHP pulley showed 3 to 5 gain. Most will taper off at 220, if even that. But is really good. No one has dyno'd the new throttle body out though.

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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:16:00 PM   
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Turbo regular maintenance (schedule provided by manufacturer):

- Oil change intervals
- Oil filter system maintenance
- Oil pressure control
- Air filter system maintenance

For SC its a little differerent depending on if the SC taps into the oil pan or not, i.e. self contained.

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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:21:53 PM   
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damnit i need to find something n/a...i just dont want to deal with boost or nitrous after my msp problem. I had that car for 3 months...THREE DAMN MONTHS AND I BLEW A ROD im gonna call and complain to super six and make them dyno their stuff!

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:25:09 PM   
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damnit i need to find something n/a...i just dont want to deal with boost or nitrous after my msp problem. I had that car for 3 months...THREE DAMN MONTHS AND I BLEW A ROD im gonna call and complain to super six and make them dyno their stuff!


Good luck on SSM dynoing thier stuff, they may this time around with thier new 4.0 test mule. But who knows. You blew a rod, what setup are you running?!!?!?!?!

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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:31:43 PM   
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i blew a rod in my first car a mazdaspeed protege. I didnt know until AFTER i blew the rod that they are famous for blown rods. I guess mazda did no internal work except for on the crank and oil squirters when they made the msp. They put a turbo on an almost stock protege engine!!! so i was screwing around with a buddy on woodward (oh hell yea i on woodward in michigan....if you dont know about the original dream cruise you dont deserve to drive) and i was just gunning it in second for fun and all of a sudden i hear this weird ping. It wasnt detonation i just heard this scratch and a ping almost like a rock hitting a metal pole and all of a sudden POP! and smoke everywhere. So i pull over to the side of the road, open my hood and low and behold my block is ripped to pieces. AND THAT WAS STOCK BOOST

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:52:31 PM   
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damn dude that sucks, go back to the dealer and shove your foot up his ass. if you read around, our motor was made with boost in mind. Ask scrming he's running i think 125 shot of nitrous, all you need is some good old time on they dyno to get everything timed right. Our motor should be able to handle 6-8psi with a conservative tune very easily. So, don't totally right off boost. Their are a couple of guys running superchargers, let them get a couple thousand miles and c how the engine holds up. learn from other peoples mistakes :)

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 8:55:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trill Gear Head

damn dude that sucks, go back to the dealer and shove your foot up his ass. if you read around, our motor was made with boost in mind. Ask scrming he's running i think 125 shot of nitrous, all you need is some good old time on they dyno to get everything timed right. Our motor should be able to handle 6-8psi with a conservative tune very easily. So, don't totally right off boost. Their are a couple of guys running superchargers, let them get a couple thousand miles and c how the engine holds up. learn from other peoples mistakes :)


It can handle boost, but ford didn't make it with boost in mind. Our motor came from Ford Europe, and has seen service in Rangers and Explorers for years. Its a good motor, but ford just stuck it in the stang because it was a known quanity. Already established, makes good power and can be supported. I have a friend that works at ford.

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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 9:00:31 PM   
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I stand corrected, but u gotta admin that i'm pretty freakn smart as i'm only 17 in all lol

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 9:02:07 PM   
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I stand corrected, but u gotta admin that i'm pretty freakn smart as i'm only 17 in all lol


LOL, you do good man!!!!

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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 9:06:08 PM   
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LOL, you do good man!!!!


thnx i try, My dad got me into mustangs as a small child, and i've been dreamn about what kind of stang is was gonna get since i was 10 or 11, and over the years i have picked up the basics on how the internal combustion engine operates etc.... The amazing thing is that i have never taken an automotive class although it sounds fun. Oh and one last thing

Viva la HORSEPOWER TV, HOT ROD TV and The new muscle car show on speed that i don't know the name of lol

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 9:14:08 PM   
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lol yea, im 16 right now and i know a fair amount about engines...i am not completely writing off boost, but once i get my stang i am going to wait at least a year to boost it. It traumatized me when my rod blew in my msp lol. What i was thinking about is if i do go blower (i am NOT going turbo, its too spikey and too dangerous) i may think about porting to make the boost easier on the engine. If i am correct which i am pretty sure i am, the power added is not as much dependent on boost as it is CFM and if i port and polish it will take off some of the stress on the engine, but the cfm will increase or stay the same. I would also definately go intercooled to relieve so more stress, but before i go F/I (if i ever do) i am going to try and get the most power out of the n/a engine without increasing compression. I should be getting my v6 in 2-3 weeks so i will update you guys on anything i do n/a as i go and i may consider being the test dummy for some cams.

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 9:20:10 PM   
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i read something somewhere about a place that sells parts for our engine to make them 3 valve

it was like under 1k too, not sure where i read it, it was on a link that somebody posted a while ago


i would have payed more attention to it, but i dont have 1k lol

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RE: N/A POWER - 4/5/2006 9:21:45 PM   
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whoa that would be very nice, but i dont know if i trust that under 1k...if its legit itd be awesome tho.

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