I think this is a stupid conversation. If the 16 year olds have these cars than deal with it. Just because your parents didn't buy you one when you were 16 does not give you the right to slam the kids that did get them. I am 21 and am paying for my car, I bought my first stang when I was 18. My first car was a '87 Crown Vic. So I am not a kid. Cars today are very safe, if their parents trusted them enough to get them the car than maybe they are responsible. Parents are not stupid, they know what kids are getting into. My brother is 16 and he got a 2004 SRT-4. My dad bought it for him. My dad has plenty of money, my brother is a good kid, so why not. He has had the car for almost a year, he drives right at the speed limit and has had no problems. I think that the young guys should be given a chance. If my brother screws up than my dad is taking the car.
Sigh you're missing the point. The point is when you're on the road you endanger more than just your (the drivers life) you endanger that of others on the road. And some parents are very Stupid/Ignorant. Look at how many parents use the excuse, Oh they're just being a teenager...excuse me? That just reaks of shrugging off the responsibility. Kid races his new car down a busy street showing off to friends or his GF and kills himself and those around him. Guess what, his parents called him a 'good kid', well liked, blah blah blah. Point is, kid lacked judgement and driving skill. You gain that with age. It's called wisdom.
Why do you think there's an insurance break at 25? Not that 25 is a magical number, but that's when STATISTICALLY someone has enough brains to drive more responsibly and not give into impulse as easily.
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I think this is a stupid conversation. If the 16 year olds have these cars than deal with it. Just because your parents didn't buy you one when you were 16 does not give you the right to slam the kids that did get them. I am 21 and am paying for my car, I bought my first stang when I was 18. My first car was a '87 Crown Vic. So I am not a kid. Cars today are very safe, if their parents trusted them enough to get them the car than maybe they are responsible. Parents are not stupid, they know what kids are getting into. My brother is 16 and he got a 2004 SRT-4. My dad bought it for him. My dad has plenty of money, my brother is a good kid, so why not. He has had the car for almost a year, he drives right at the speed limit and has had no problems. I think that the young guys should be given a chance. If my brother screws up than my dad is taking the car.
LOL I kind of like this thread. Even though some of the posters here are a little harsh, I think all they're trying to do is scare us to not go out and do stupid stuff. I for one am learning valuble tips that most other teenagers don't hear or are too cocky to think they need to hear it. I would rather get thrown around on this forum by people who are concerned about my well-being, than to just be ignored and not given any advice that could save my life or the life of anyone around me.
I talked to my dad last night about taking me out to an empty wet parking lot to learn how to control it in bad weather, and he absolutely loved the idea and we are going out this weekend.
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I think this is a stupid conversation. If the 16 year olds have these cars than deal with it. Just because your parents didn't buy you one when you were 16 does not give you the right to slam the kids that did get them. I am 21 and am paying for my car, I bought my first stang when I was 18. My first car was a '87 Crown Vic. So I am not a kid. Cars today are very safe, if their parents trusted them enough to get them the car than maybe they are responsible. Parents are not stupid, they know what kids are getting into. My brother is 16 and he got a 2004 SRT-4. My dad bought it for him. My dad has plenty of money, my brother is a good kid, so why not. He has had the car for almost a year, he drives right at the speed limit and has had no problems. I think that the young guys should be given a chance. If my brother screws up than my dad is taking the car.
Sigh you're missing the point. The point is when you're on the road you endanger more than just your (the drivers life) you endanger that of others on the road. And some parents are very Stupid/Ignorant. Look at how many parents use the excuse, Oh they're just being a teenager...excuse me? That just reaks of shrugging off the responsibility. Kid races his new car down a busy street showing off to friends or his GF and kills himself and those around him. Guess what, his parents called him a 'good kid', well liked, blah blah blah. Point is, kid lacked judgement and driving skill. You gain that with age. It's called wisdom.
Why do you think there's an insurance break at 25? Not that 25 is a magical number, but that's when STATISTICALLY someone has enough brains to drive more responsibly and not give into impulse as easily.
No I really don't think I am missing the point. It sounds to me like you guys are jealous that these kids can get these cars and you guys could not when you were there age. Show me where STATISTICALLY that many 16 year olds get killed or kill someone in or with a mustang.
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call up your ins company and ask, see what they say. Im 21 and im not saying that "every" kid drives like an A$$...but sport cars, even better; sport cars w/ 300hp make you do things you would not think you would normally do. "most" people learn best hand on, most kids just speed any were, any time w/ out thinking (most)... for example; hey there that car way up ahead at the stop sigh, i should start slowing down just in case they go, little things like that.
I would say to driver a beater around for a few months, just so ur good at driving; and i mean to make sure you know how stop, etc. If you a not so good driver and need more time to get better; a 300hp car is not going to help ( my older brother is one of those, i could only imagne if he had a 300hp car)
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BTW my anger in this post is not directed toward you johnnyv8.
OK guys, the fact that I have a 300hp car and it costs over $24,000 just gives me more incentive not to do stupid things.
I guarentee you that if I had a 100hp $500 car I would be doing stupid stuff because who really cares what happens with a $500 car.
To tell you the truth I don't give a rats a$$ what the hell the statistics say. They also say that an average grade in school is a "c", I get a 4 point freakin 2 GPA people.
I know the only way to gain wisdom is through age, but I'm trying my best to learn as much as possible on this forum, so I don't go out there and kill myself.
NO, my parents are not "stupid" for buying me this car. Would it be better if they bought me a POS car that if in a crash would completely get demolished? Would it be better if they didn't reward me for my efforts in school by buying me a crap car, and showing me hard work gets you sh*t?
I'm not going to say I'm sorry that I have been lucky enough to have the life I have, because even though I have a great life I was raised to respect what I have, and I was never spoiled.
I'm sorry if some of you can't get past the fact that being 16 has nothing to do with how well I can make good decisions or whatever, but the maturity level has everything to do with it.
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mustangman2424, Glad to hear your Dad is gong to do that,most parents would not,make shure there are no potholes or even big cracks with loose gravel,could hurt your car,I am almost 40 and me and my wife go to empty lots in the winter and have a blast,so have fun at it also,goes without saying my 4yr old loves it.
You might want to take a vid camera,I am shure all of us want to see a GT going nuts in an empty lot.
You might want to take a vid camera,I am shure all of us want to see a GT going nuts in an empty lot.
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+1!! That would make us all feel like we're 16 again.
I'm glad that the young folk finally started speaking up in this thread, I was starting to wonder where you were at in the beginning. Some of you have shown a lot of maturity (mustangman, for ex.), and some of you have only reinforced the kind of ignorance and immaturity that concerns the older folk here.
In another post, an older gent was specifically asking this community to reinforce his respect for the power of these cars and to refocus his good judgment on the road. That is what we (the older folks) have been trying to hammer down. Respect, appreciation, and judgment are not easily attained without experience. Maturity level can vary with age, that much is obvious, but good judgment only comes with experience and reflection upon that experience (even then, it needs reinforcing as we saw in the other post). At 16 you simply don't have much of the experience you need for good judgment.
Even the best of you, mustangman for ex, misses the point in thinking this is all about "scaring" you into not doing stupid stuff. No, that's not it at all. This is the problem at a young age, the world is simple to you. You percieve the world through sound bytes and popular opinion, rather than reflection upon a long history of experience. More often than not this means you interpret a situation according to trite opinions with no subtlety in your judgment. We're not trying to scare you, we're not jealous of you, we're not overstepping any fictitious rights you claim to have. We are your elders who have experience in the very thing you are about to embark upon. We do have experience with both driving at a young age AND experience with how our judgment has improved over the years. Those of us who are concerned with giving a 16 yr old the keys to a 300 hp car are thinking about those experiences, and we're shaking our head knowing that this is a dangerous recipe. We hope you take our concerns seriously, that you stay safe (for your sake and that of others), and that you acknowledge and respect the danger of having that kind of power at your disposal.
My Best To You, -j
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IF... MOST 16 year old people drove their cars respectully and safely, even a 300 HP car.. THEN the insurance rates for them would be $400 every 6 months for full coverage.
Insurance companies base their rates on statistics gathered over time on the history of age groups by sex, education, location and type of car.
It is quite simply a matter of cut and dry facts - - - 16 year olds have more accidents... it is just how it is, and that is why insurance cost so much for a 16 year old driving a 300hp car.
Granted... there ARE quite a few 16 year olds who ARE VERY GOOD DRIVERS... Unfortunately they are a huge minority from the age group.
Most any 16 year old will feel he or she is a wonderful driver, and will defend that opinion to the max! However, histrory has proven that - as a group - they are not.
Now... if TODAYS 16 year old IS truly a good safe driver as a group - rates will go down, and we will see more of them driving 300 hp cars. Unfortunately, those who are driving today are and will pay for the others before thems mistakes.
point - counter point?
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Ok I understand why they do it maybe,but what about someone who is 70? There just as bad,I wonder what the accident rate is for seniors ?
The other thing is why is insurance company A more $$$ then B,both are in the fortune 500 list, strong stock,low turnover, and a high level of customer trust.
It comes down to in my opion of who is ripping off people more,shure a 16 yr old is a higher risk becuse of inexperience,but also they know he wants to drive,he has to have insurance to do it so he/she willing pay what ever it takes.
Take some conservative Christian groups,they do not have auto insurance though any corporate company,but they have to have a million in cash assets set aside for there own auto insurance, be it be 20 members or 5000, does not matter how old the member is he/she pays $10 bucks a month,why and how are they able to do this? I belive Some,Some mind you of the answer is they don't need to be payed a six figure salary to over see and direct operations of this account.
(Note: This info was gained from a member( A Deacon) of a conservative Christian group (Mennonite) around eastern PA,these numbers would differ from group to group.)
I am not a fan of corprate America at all,it's all about how much they can get you for,even if a cap was placed on how much insurance companys can pay out we would still be paying the same,just like Doctors and there insurance some states have a cap on what they have to pay out in case of being sued and there rates have not changed but gone up,why? Becuse they can,you cannot practice without it,same as driving you cannot without it.
I could add alot more and go on and on but I belive you get the picture I could have also did this all nice and used proper grammer but just like when I talk to buddys or freinds I just don't feel like I need to put that kind of effort into it for no reason or gain, I a not trying to impress anyone.
Eh, we may have to work on your name for public relations reasons...what with "crime" in it and all. People may think you're a rapper or you want to turn the U.S. into a giant "crime scene." How bout something expressing an intellectual side, like CrimeReport?
-j
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dont worry about it mustangman. Im just letting you know that most likly you do a little bit more then you think (maybe); have fun...do dunuts and stuff, but you just learn when to stop. Ive raced before w/ my 222hp car; and over time ive learned to stop. for the most part ive only did "back road" racing, but anytime any one got carryed away on a "busy" highway, etc. Your asking for it, just keep this things in the back of your mind. And it not always you, i remeber this one time i passed a kid in a camero, and he end up doing something dum. So i passed him and then he pased me. and we were going down this road and we waiting when it clear to go, well this guy in a 180 v6 camero make the "smart" choice to pass two cars w/ a cement truck coming the other way; so as you can image if took a few sec to pass two cars w/ a 180hp camero and the cement truck had to slam on its breaks so it would not have a head on. I never knew that kid was going to do something like that. If he were to crash, that would of been great for me...explaing that to the cops, well hmm officer...i was u know...kinda speeding... just to give you an example, and for the most part im a good driver (atleast know anyway) and i cant tell you how many times my sport car got me out of an crash because it brakes so well and handles so well. I remeber one day i was coming home at nite, i was doing 60 in a 50 (nothing big) and boom, there was a couch just sitting in the middle of the road and i had to turn the wheel really sharp and then back into the other lane...that could only be done w/ a sport car (god, if i had my mom suv..i guess i would ran right throw it, lol)
well othe then that, have fun you lucky sob
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*****Which 16 year old Mustang GT driver will crash first?*****
I have a 5year old now and I cring at the thought of him driving.
hahaha - i cringe at the thought of ANY 5 year old behind the wheel.
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BTW i'm 15 1/2 not 16 lol.
and you have a 4.2 GPA?
where do you live...?
anyways, i am going to accept that as being a young person, i am just not as mature as an adult, it is even scientifically proven. i may technically be an adult in a couple months, but i will definitly not just wake up one day and be a man. so as young people, we are going to make bad decisions, and probably a lot of them...i know i have made my share of them. but, after a while, i have learned that if i am going to make a bad decision, i better make one that does not involve people who have no part in it.
also, i think that as being new drivers, we are just not that good! i will never have the same reactions on the road that one of you older guys have...probably because you have been driving before i was born! (hehe i am just messing...you guys are not that old)
i remember when my mom decided that a GT for me was not going to happen i was extremely mad (they had agreed on the GT since they had agreed that i was not going to get the 350z), but now i see where she was comming from, 300hp? for me? the guy who has been driving for what, 8 months? that is ridiculous
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Make sure to turn off TC it kills the fun.
OK guys, the fact that I have a 300hp car and it costs over $24,000 just gives me more incentive not to do stupid things. 
