Not to diss the 3V GT's..........owning one myself.............but I still have a hard time with the 300hp GT being a driver's race for the 345-350ish hp LS1. I never raced a stock one when I was stock, so I have no first hand experience.......it just seems weird. I know a bad enough driver can handicap the hp advantage of his car pretty badly.....but damn. Its not like there's a big weight difference (that I know of).
I do know that the new GT's put their power down pretty effectively even on stock suspension (or mildy modded suspension).....but they struggle once u start going FI. Hence the reason I want to overhaul my suspension. Car feels entirely too "squishy" now that I'm 160hp over stock.
I'm actually trying to find someone with a stock or mostly stock LS1 F-body to buddy up with so I can get a ride (or possibly a drive) in one. I'm curious as to how different the powerband feels compared to my car. So far, no luck. I've met and talked to a few owners on chance meetings and such......but the only guys I know are the two dorks I work with, and they both have gone into the motor for mods......ie: not close to stock.
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I'm actually trying to find someone with a stock or mostly stock LS1 F-body to buddy up with so I can get a ride (or possibly a drive) in one. I'm curious as to how different the powerband feels compared to my car. So far, no luck. I've met and talked to a few owners on chance meetings and such......but the only guys I know are the two dorks I work with, and they both have gone into the motor for mods......ie: not close to stock.
Mine is fairly close, I just have the lid and the headers. I can swap the lid for the stocker and keeping the cap on the cutout with the stock muffler pretty much negates the headers. Hell, I haven't even had it tuned for the headers so it might actually be slower than stock. But you live really far from me.
There is no question the LS1 is a better engine than the 4.6 IMO.
Which 4.6? Not the blown version, that's for sure.
I have to argue yes the "blown4.6" is better for modding for crazy hp. But the engine itself is not better. Anybody can throw in some forged parts or what have you. Take the 01 cobra 32v and then compare it to the 01 SS LS1. If you start comparing the ls1 to the terminator you are speaking of a topic that has been beat to death. A built LS1 vs a built 32v.... 281 vs 346 I don't about you but I know which one I am taking.
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Im not going to make this seem like a big argument but come on 281 ci vs 346ci? How does a 347 stack up to a 346 b/c i know a guy who runs low 11s with a 347 and its a DD. As far as a semi stock 00 Trans Am vs. a stock 07 GT I got beat by about 2 cars length from a dig and a roll, but the problem was I launched at 2K rpms which after going to the track I have found out that I gain at least .3 seconds by launching at 4K rpms so if I would of known that then it would have been a little closer eh? Also my buddy in his 03 cobra STOCK ran a SS with full exhaust, cam, gears, and I believe intake and heads and walked him hard. When i went to the track a t/a with a cam was running 13.3s and a SS making a sh!t load of noise was running 12.8s.
All im saying is that the driver makes a BIG diffrence.
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If you have a heads and cam LS1 Camaro (or even just the cam) and you lose to a stock Cobra then you need to be put to sleep. A heads and cam LS1 should run at least low 11s; they can run 10s.
Im not going to make this seem like a big argument but come on 281 ci vs 346ci? How does a 347 stack up to a 346 b/c i know a guy who runs low 11s with a 347 and its a DD. As far as a semi stock 00 Trans Am vs. a stock 07 GT I got beat by about 2 cars length from a dig and a roll, but the problem was I launched at 2K rpms which after going to the track I have found out that I gain at least .3 seconds by launching at 4K rpms so if I would of known that then it would have been a little closer eh? Also my buddy in his 03 cobra STOCK ran a SS with full exhaust, cam, gears, and I believe intake and heads and walked him hard. When i went to the track a t/a with a cam was running 13.3s and a SS making a sh!t load of noise was running 12.8s.
All im saying is that the driver makes a BIG diffrence.
Ok just so you know a SS with cam heads exhaust and intake is capable of 500 rwhp plus the gears that would be a good race for a cobra pullied with boltons and would flat out murder a stock 03/04. I was at the track fri. night and a guy was running a SS w/ headers, cam, and dr's he ran 11.9. And as far as your race goes it might have been closer but what if he didn't get a clean launch either eh? That 347 must be stroked, geared stalled or something to be running those numbers. with weight reduction.
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Im not going to make this seem like a big argument but come on 281 ci vs 346ci?
How about how the 346 only has one cam? Versus 4 in the DOHC Cobra's. Only 2V per head? Versus 4 in the Cobra's.
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How does a 347 stack up to a 346 b/c i know a guy who runs low 11s with a 347 and its a DD.
Depends on the 347. I know my car would have ran 11's with $1500 threw at it...most of that was in the drag radials.
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As far as a semi stock 00 Trans Am vs. a stock 07 GT I got beat by about 2 cars length from a dig and a roll, but the problem was I launched at 2K rpms which after going to the track I have found out that I gain at least .3 seconds by launching at 4K rpms so if I would of known that then it would have been a little closer eh?
You can launch at 4k with a stock suspended GT and you actually hook? Amazing. And yes, it's pretty much a drivers race b/w the two cars, as mentioned. The LS1 should win, but doesn't a lot of the times.
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Also my buddy in his 03 cobra STOCK ran a SS with full exhaust, cam, gears, and I believe intake and heads and walked him hard.
Again, obviously a bad driver. I had a buddy here recently in a bolt-on LS1 run 9.0's at the local 1/8th track and trap nearly 90mph.....in a bolt-on car. I was mid 7's with the same trap speed. Driver driver driver.
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When i went to the track a t/a with a cam was running 13.3s and a SS making a sh!t load of noise was running 12.8s.
It takes a special person to run low 13's in a 400+rwhp car. I usually see those times with a terminator or a Supra, when you'd expect so much more.
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All im saying is that the driver makes a BIG diffrence.
Nail, meet hammer.
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That's pretty high and he would have a hard time getting a loan for it. A fair price would be around $20-21k. The reality is that there is no reason to pay extra for a low mile car. There is no collector value and there is no factory warrenty. Find one with 20-40k on it and pay $12-15k
Uh, yea.........I'd say that 26K is pretty high for a car that is already 5 years old. That wouldn't be too far away from what they were at MSRP brand new back in 02..........I think. Of course, seems like there's been a rebound demand for the 00-02 F-bods, particularly the T/A's, in the last couple of years. I'm guessing that's from lack of a continued production on GM's part. High demand in a localized area can lead to high asking prices. In late 06 I came across an 01 WS6 with 23K miles on it.............guy was asking 21K for it. That might have been fine except for the crushed front nose.
It takes a special person to run low 13's in a 400+rwhp car. I usually see those times with a terminator or a Supra, when you'd expect so much more.
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having 400rwhp and only running low 13s kind of ghey? you should be able to half ass it off the line and punch it in 2nd gear and still run a high 12.
Oh well what i really wanted to know to clarify in one of my post (firehawk=ownage) is what year did they make firehawks? They made them in the LT1 and LS1 cars right?
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.............but I still have a hard time with the 300hp GT being a driver's race for the 345-350ish hp LS1. I never raced a stock one when I was stock, so I have no first hand experience.......it just seems weird. I know a bad enough driver can handicap the hp advantage of his car pretty badly.....but damn. Its not like there's a big weight difference (that I know of). 
