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There is a huge difference from street racing and going to the track. Anything can happen on the street. If it were at the track the cobra would have smoked the AMG. That thing was an automatic and had street slicks on it. Autos are good for street racing because they are pretty consistant. The Benz could hook up the cobra couldnt, simple as that. If you cant put the power to the ground you should go from a roll.
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With a lightning pully and some M/Ts I have seen an 03 cobra run a 11.68 @ 119 And that is with 441 rwhp.
That guy must have been one DAMN good driver, if you all remember the AMG E55 vs 03 Cobra video Kylabite got his ass raped 3 times buy a completely stock AMG E55...and that was juts in the rematch video. His cobra dyno'd around 441 hp if I remember right, 03 AMGs pull mid 12s quarter miles too.
A. Kylabite loses every race he races. That guy simply cannot drive. Hes running drag radials and all you hear is tire smoking in first and sometimes 2nd.
B. Nobody seems to notice on the vids, but the ones I have the 2nd time the cobra is catching back up to the AMG. The final run they are nearly door to door when he goes by.
C. the AMG wasnt stock, it had D/R on it. Says so right on the vid.
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BTW i just looked at that vid again. The cobra smokes them all the way thru 1st, bogs like a bitch when he shifts into 2nd, then breaks them loose again all the way thru 2nd, and he almost loses it and goes into the other lane. If that right there doesnt show you the guy cant drive, well I dunno WTF will.
Want a quick way into the high 9s? Buy a 03 cobra, then buy a KB supercharger, exuast, and a custom tune.
Done.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video - 3/24/2004 12:57:41 AM
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A. Kylabite loses every race he races. That guy simply cannot drive. Hes running drag radials and all you hear is tire smoking in first and sometimes 2nd.
B. Nobody seems to notice on the vids, but the ones I have the 2nd time the cobra is catching back up to the AMG. The final run they are nearly door to door when he goes by.
C. the AMG wasnt stock, it had D/R on it. Says so right on the vid.
a. he's won a few against 98snakeeater (the yellow trans am) b. He was catching up, but you can't tell if he catches up after the AMG slows down or not. c. In the first video he was stock and he literally raped the Cobra everytime they raced. in the 2nd video they both had gotten a few more mods and the already HEAVILY modded cobra was finally catching up to a NEARLY stock AMG. See my point now? :)
I've seen others of him. I'm not saying he can drive. I'm just saying, that if a Mustang doesn't win, to you guys, they just can't drive. And about the whole "buy a KB to get 9's," you're going to need more than that. Some sticky tires for one. Who the hell wants to buy a v8, run 20+psi boost, and only run 9's?
RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video - 3/24/2004 1:01:31 AM
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Want a quick way into the high 9s? Buy a 03 cobra, then buy a KB supercharger, exuast, and a custom tune.
I expected no less from a Mustang enthusiast. To hook up you'd need slicks, a new rear end and if you don't know, people are already swapping in the 4 sp auto from the GTs to make their cobra go quicker and (as you said) be more consistent.
There's more ways to hit 9s other than the ALMIGHTY 03 Cobra.... you could buy an 02 LS1 SS, procharger supercharger, exhaust and K&N Airbox with lid. Done.
Viper, supercharger, slicks. Done.
Corvette Z06, Lingenfelter package, slicks. Done.
If speed is your game don't sit there and whine about costs like I KNOW you will.
RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video - 3/24/2004 1:11:59 AM
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I am just saying that they are way more capable than you are saying. And there aint no way in hell that car should be losing if it has what he says.
And there anit to way it takes 650 HP to get into the 11s. That is exactly what you said.
I'm sorry I was just going off what a friend who had about 6 months of personal experience driving, racing and modding them who has seen them not break 11s at the track without at least 650 rwhp.
I kindly challenge you to find a video that will prove me wrong with both a video shoot of the Dyno saying less than 650 rwhp along side video of the cobra laying down 11s at the track...with the same Tremec T56 6 sp manual that comes standard on the 03 Cobras.
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Sooooo....
The car is capable (well documented here) of running 12.80s in the 1/4. Thats about 400 HP at the flywheel.
Your telling me, and your being serious here, that it will take an additional 250 hp (?!?) to gain ONE SECOND on the track??? What, running spare donut tires on the rears?
Hell a 03 should be able to get close to an 11 just with a set of slicks, granted you better watch out for the rearend to splatter all over the track after a few runs.
BTW, OT here, but I havent seen the plethora of IRS splatters on the 03/04s that I saw on the eariler SVTs. Any reason why?
Id say your friend likes to smoke crack just about as much as you do.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video - 3/24/2004 1:17:11 AM
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Well for a guy who's had one, driven one, modded one and has had several friends with one you really think I'm going to believe you over him? riiight...
do you have any experience with the Cobra? No? Ok then. Find me the video.
and yes that is what I am saying, hp doesn't help if your gearing is too off with a ****ty t56 6 sp that will only hold 450 hp reliably.
Cobra 3665 Manual 6 speed Lets say 475 at the flywheel? God knows, maybe 475-500 Ft Lbs
Plus, Im thinking I saw that the E55 comes with a 3.27:1 gear ratio? The Cobra of course has a 3.55:1.
Im not comparing the two cars as if I were to buy them, the price and application is COMPLETELY different. I could easliy buy 2 03s for one E55, and I could easily be 10x as comfortable and relaxed in a E55 as I could a 03.
HOWEVER, I fail to see how a car with an AUTOMATIC (i dont care what you say, or how good it is, an auto still robs more power to the rear wheels than a stick) that wieghs more, has LESS horsepower and a little more TQ (unless the numbers posted for the 03 were at the ground, and it well could be) is going to walk away. Ignore what the cars are here, it just doesnt make since.
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Well for a guy who's had one, driven one, modded one and has had several friends with one you really think I'm going to believe you over him? riiight...
do you have any experience with the Cobra? No? Ok then. Find me the video.
and yes that is what I am saying, hp doesn't help if your gearing is too off with a ****ty t56 6 sp that will only hold 450 hp reliably.
Not that im agreeing with your opinion on the T56 here but,
Christ, and GOD KNOWS that a guy with enough money to purchase a 03 cobra and mod it up to 650 HP (apprently your friend had and did) cant afford a 1300 dollar TKO. **** that would be impossible. No way you can swap another transmission in there. You could even sell that T56 to somebody that wants one, probably get 600-700 bucks easy if it doesnt have many miles on it.
What do you think is wrong with the trans anyway? Its good enough to power a 400 HP car to a 12.80. What's the problem. From a purely mathimatical point of view, it doesnt make any since whatsoever that you would need 250 hp to increase your 1/4 mile from a 12.80 to a 11.99.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video - 3/24/2004 1:27:14 AM
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German engineering. Thats all I have to say, there's a difference between a Mustang GT automatic gearbox and a German engineered 5 sp automatic gear box, especially on the AMG series cars. Not all RWD have the same % drivetrain loss.
it makes 469 hp and 516 ft lbs of torque, with a transmission that is more consistent than a 6 sp manual that kind of power will be transferred down to the ground with more accuracy.
I don't even know what this is about. I made a statement from testimony I've learned about through someone with mad experience in Cobras. Then suddenly it's "the AMG CAN'T beat the Cobra!" Face it man, Cobras aren't everything they're cracked up to be. They're great and all, but they aren't top dawg.
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