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Old 12-04-2008, 11:45 PM   #61
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if you feel your auto is shifting sluggish get a transmission shift kit. for firmer hard shifts. i love mine it throughs it from one gear to the next way faster then iv ever seen anyone shift, and it will be off on the timing.
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:01 AM   #62
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your cop is an idiot if there is cats they are legal. as far as long tubes they are legal as long as you can pass wahatever emmisons tests required in your area
That's not necessarily all there is to it (even though that gets you a "pass" in many areas).

Long tube headers almost certainly relocate the O2 sensor a few inches downstream, which is not a location covered by the vehicle's emissions certification. Things like warm-up time affect the total volume of pollutants emitted during a drive cycle that starts from a cold soak.

This new O2 sensor location may result in the car passing some or even all emissions tests, but since it is not certified as being able to do so, it can't be guaranteed to be fully emissions-compliant. I have no idea whether an individual can request a full emissions certification-level test (you'd probably choke over finding out what that would cost).


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Old 12-05-2008, 09:30 PM   #63
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um ok well i thought as long as you passed a sniffer test your all good. and that you need cats. i didnt know about the placemnet of the o2 sensors. but would they realy look at where they are? i mean if you pass the ob2 port test and a sniffer arnt you all good?
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:16 PM   #64
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ALL long tubes are illegal in California. The cats MUST be in the factory position and LT's move them further down. There are only 2 shorties on the market that are legal for our cars in California (have Carb EO number).

Also, NO cats other than the factory ones are legal on your car. You can't even legally replace them yourself with an OEM unit without having your car inspected and proven by a technician to have failed (this of course is nearly impossible to enforce, but hey, its the law).
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:28 AM   #65
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might as well just swap out the exhaust when doing IM..what's it good for? 4 years?

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Old 12-06-2008, 03:05 PM   #66
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Sleep Deprived you said that there are only two headers that are carb approved. What two headers are those?
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Old 12-06-2008, 05:29 PM   #67
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wow thats sad i knew calis emmision standards was harsh but wow thats just anal and what looser thought that up. get a life.
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Old 12-07-2008, 02:09 AM   #68
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Yeah, no kidding...no long tubes or O/R pipe for me! Eh, I can hardly breathe this damn air anyway lol. Lazyboy, both JBA and Edelbrock make California legal shorty headers.
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wow thats sad i knew calis emmision standards was harsh but wow thats just anal and what looser thought that up. get a life.
Sounds like you have no idea what you missed out on.

Cars that ran so rich that your eyes watered if you followed them too close. Cars that spit out huge clouds of smoke - lots more common. Most cars spit out at least a little, in the days before PCV. Keep in mind that the A/C you take for granted (and have probably never been without) was not a very common option in the 60's, so you couldn't escape the fouled air that easily.

Then there were those awful (I remember GM's in particular) pellet-type catalytic converters that couldn't quite flow 200 cfm that are at least partly responsible for the bad name (performance-wise) that cats have had. I've got a Random Technology cat on another car that flows somewhere around 600 cfm to prove that they aren't all bad (by way of comparison, the most freely-flowing street mufflers aren't much better).


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yeah i guess i didnt know what i was missing. norm do you know what our stock cats flow?
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